Brian Ross is right. If he had to reload more frequently, this never would have happened. Or something.

5-4-3-2-1-0 Congressman Jim Moron Moran (D-VA) blames Republicans and President Bush for massacre...

Hey Moron, if republicans were the bad guys you wouldn't be talking. We aren't, it's 99% the liberal, never taught right from wrong, and punished for the wrong, that are, and will destroy the country.

I know this is probably insensitive of me, but I am more pissed off at the way the media is covering this tragic event than I am with the Shooter, the Police Chief or the Dean of Virginia Tech.

I know all the stay-at-home Mommies are glued to their TV's right now, playing armchair quarterback with Brian Ross and Matt Lauer. With too much time on their hands, they are obsessing over how to prevent this happening to their own children and demanding answers along with the indignant Andrew Cuomo. Our media plays right into this, narrating this tragedy the same way a tort attorney will someday argue the case in court. As if you can prevent anything and everything from happening -- no matter that their children are more likely to die in a car accident caused while they are gossiping on their mobiles with their friends!

Seriously, do we have to personalize this so much? Why does the press play to our society's desire to pretend that our wealth, comfort and privilege protect us from the senseless things that happen every day through out the entire world? I can understand obsessing over their potential fate of your children if you live in Sudan or the Chechens, but we live in the safest place in the world, and no amount of blame placing is going to change that!

Mantis, get real. He had a captive, defenseless group that 99% had been taught to never fight back, liberal teachings. He could have did the same damage with a six shooter or a single shot if he had a spare to keep you at bay. Not to worry, when firearms aren't available the killers will resort to bombs and kill hundreds to get the one target they are after. The terrorists have managed to figure out a bomg, are you that much more stupid than they are? The dumbing down of America continues.

One legally armed citizen could have stopped the slaughter. Can't trust the college 'children' with a weapon but they are young adults when they are after anything else. Yep, the lefties stand up for constitutional 'rights' when the rights suit them, when it doesn't they violate the constitution and law like old leader Peee loshi and gang.

Didn't one legally armed individual commit the slaughter? note: he had a receipt for the gun.

Scrappy proves himself to be as oblivious as ever (look up sarcasm, pal). What was it you posted earlier today on Lorie's thread about the shootings?

I'm totally suprised that it hasn't happened on a weekly basis due to no border control and no immigration law enforcement....A religious test to hold office is illegal but a religious test to come to this country is needed and needed badly. Islam is no longer a religion but a mob of murderers worse than the Nazi's. The sooner people get that through they're head the better.

Damn illegal alien South Korean Muslims again. Your knee jerks just as hard as the anti-gun folks.

Was he a christian "jihadist"? Many South Korean immigrants are christians.
example: conservative Republican Cristian Rev. Sun Myung Moon.

Or maybe just a lone nut.

ec1009, I suspect he was carrying concealed. Is that 'legally armed' in Virginia? Or would you prefer to remain inane?
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A .22? Guess Brian Ross really looks like an idiot now.
Paul

I hope you're being sarcastic, otherwise you're showing an incredible lack of reading comprehension.

Lab results confirm that one of the two weapons seized in Norris Hall was used in both shootings

Sources say Cho was carrying a backpack that contained receipts for a March purchase of a Glock 9 mm pistol. Witnesses had told authorities that the shooter was carrying a backpack. Police also said this morning that Cho had a .22 caliber pistol.
ABC News report of incident

Web sites now advertise overnight UPS delivery of the clips, which carry up to 40 rounds for both semi-automatic rifles, including 9mm pistols, and handguns.
Brian Ross article Paul linked to

I believe the important word in the first article is "also", ie he had a 9mm and ALSO a .22.

If he had a receipt, I presume he legally purchased the gun. I am not familiar with the particulars of Virginia gun laws. Perhaps they should have done a background check first to make sure he didn't have any serious mental health issues. Then again maybe they wouldn't have found anything.

Also, if he was a registered student, then he wasn't an illegal alien so y'all can put that illegal immigration nonsense to rest.

I'll leave it to smarter people than you to decide which one of us is inane kim.

I have an idea, which may sound controversial on a conservative blog such as this, but bear with me.

Since constitutional rights don't apply to enemy combatants or non-US citizens, why don't we make it illegal to sell guns to resident aliens, or at make them go through a much more rigorous screening process?

This also makes me wonder about illegals buying guns in the states. Does anyone know if it is possible for illegals to buy firearms in the US?

Scrapiron is right. All college kids should carry guns. It would really cut down on the random shootings. A suicidal nut job wouldn't dare cross a bunch of armed drunken fratboys at the Thursday night kegger.

What's inane is your comment that the shooter was legally armed in response to a comment that legally armed students could have prevented the massacre. First of all, what kind of response is that? Second of all, so what? I mean, you define 'inane' by pristine example.

But not so inane as drunk fratrats. That species is generally unarmed anyway.
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sean is so cute: "Is is possible for illegals to buy firearms in the US"? Childe, not only possible, but likely.
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Maybe He or someone else purchased it somewhere other then Virginia?

What a piece of shit!

Say a couple of students were carrying and this crazy guy started shooting. The two students may be scared but they try to shoot the crazy. By accident and/or bad aiming they shoot three students but finally kill the crazy. That probably would have saved 28 lives.

In the Great State of Texas, you are allowed to carry with license and moderate training.

As always, we don't know hardly any facts of this crazy guy and the why's and what for's. ww

Sean nyc
"Since constitutional rights don't apply to enemy combatants or non-US citizens..." or U.S. citizens see Padilla et al.

Constitutional rights (with rare exceptions i.e. voting) do apply to all "persons" in the U.S. see 1st,4th, 5th, Am etc.

"I have an idea, which may sound controversial on a conservative blog such as this, but bear with me."

Why you think your idea about denying constitutional rights to certain groups of people would be controversial on a conservative sight is beyond me.

langtry, how lovely of you to take this particular moment in time to diss SAHMs. How perfectly logical and appropriate for you to do so.

Most SAHMs are rational conservatives, doofus. The only people I see who wring their hands about tragedies like this and talk about legislating such events out of the future are liberals. Most liberal women plunk their children in daycare, so you're talking out of your anal orifice.

Explain to me where a SAHM actually gets "free-time" let alone too much of it. Having been a SAHM for 14 years, I'm wondering how I missed such a wonderful thing.

Twit.

And for the record? There is nothing on this earth that could force me to watch either Diane Sawyer or Matt Lauer.

Since this thing happened I have yet to turn on the TV news to hear their reports. They get most stuff wrong and prattle on for hours with the same old info so I stopped bothering with all of them after the Katrina reporting.

You make too many assumptions about people you obviously know noting about.

ec, it's inane to sneer about constitutional rights at such sites as this. You don't know your rights from your lefts.
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I am sure there were some young men and women in Norris Hall who wished they were armed. They may not be able to tell you this now.

You make too many assumptions about people you obviously know noting about.

Not to offend you, SAHMmy, but I know many college-educated, high-income SAHM's who spend their time watching CNN between baby feedings: helps them feel like they are still intellectually connected to the world and not just SAHM's. Several of my friends became rabid Liberals while watching too much of Anderson Cooper's Hurricane Katrina coverage.

I stand by what I wrote.

While you're removing your rite foot from your left mouth, please distinguish 'sight', 'site', and 'cite', for the visually impaired. That was pretty good though about the rights of residents. This shooter will have full American legal protection. Except he probably won't get a very good lawyer.
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Yeah, Langtrey, but it was gratuitous, bordering on irrelevant.
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Nice word picture, though. Clearly emotionally evocative.
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langtry,

I'm not impressed that your liberal gal pals went from leftie to rabid after watching Anderson cooper. What you describe is the surficial intellect of a typical liberal...

"helps them feel like they are still intellectually connected to the world and not just SAHM's."

Pretend is all they know anyway. Helps them "feel"? Not "just" SAHMs? Liberal hogwash.

Maybe I'm just incredibly exceptional.

lol

Kim,
I thought I clarified my point but thanks for the nitpicking.

kim said, "I mean, you define 'inane' by pristine example."
I said, "I'll leave it to smarter people than you."
Kim, that would include most people. By the way, I don't think "pristine" means quite what you think it means.

Kim said, "But not so inane as drunk fratrats. That species is generally unarmed anyway."
I thought my sarcasm was obvious. Well, maybe to most people.

Well, nothing could be so inane as inquiring what you think I think I mean when I use the word 'pristine'.

Are you inane enough to believe that sarcasm can't be inane?
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OK, for some unknown, but likely inane, reason, you stated that the shooter was legally armed. You quickly followed up with the statement that you were ignorant of the law in Virginia. Is that pristine? Or is that 'Pristinanity'?
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BillyBob made a good point on Lorie's first story today. The theme is "The Wussification of America's Boys"

That's what has happened in the UK and those folks are basically emasculated. I blame the feminists for the wussification of America's boys. These students have been taught conflict resolution through dialog. The results are they lined up like sheep and took bullets to the head.

One would think that "Hey, he's killing all of us, maybe we aught to kick his ass while he's reloading"

Instead, they just lined up for a bullet. Over 30 people let ONE little Korean with a handgun kill them.

Let me just add that now we find out the shooter had two guns, but still, a bunch of guys could have rushed the shooter or pummeled him senseless by throwing books, bottles, chairs and whatever was at hand. I believe the outcome would have been different if there had been one young soldier returned from battle in Iraq among them; one wolf among the sheep to take the lead. Unfortunately such young men are busy defending us in Iraq. Maybe it is Bush's fault.

ec, it's inane to sneer about constitutional rights at such sites as this. You don't know your rights from your lefts.
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Posted by: kim at April 17, 2007

"No PERSON shall be deprived of life, LIBERTY or property without due process of law." This includes citizen Padilla as well as all non-citizen residents. Those that disagree "sneer" at constitutional rights. I was defending those rights.

Mac, it take more courage than can be imagined to attack an armed man unarmed. The instructor who stayed in the classroom, presumably to help cover the retreat of the students, was awesome.
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Is is possible for illegals to buy firearms in the US"? Childe, not only possible, but likely.
kim

of course I meant: is it possible for illegals to buy guns in the US legally, despite the fact that they're here illegally? I thought that went without saying since I was discussing resident aliens buying firearms legally.

Now, some might say, "well if they broke the law to come here, why wouldn't they break the law and buy a gun from the black market?"

I'm sure that is true for some, namely gang members, but many illegals are here to make a living, support their families, and be an otherwise law-abiding citizen. It is the latter I am wondering about.

Childe, you can buy a gun legally, in the United States, without showing identification.
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Why you think your idea about denying constitutional rights to certain groups of people would be controversial on a conservative sight is beyond me.
ec1009

I actually thought it might be controversial not for the aspect of denying certain groups their rights, but because the specific right I propose denying would be the 2nd amendment.

I'm well aware that conservatives have no problem denying non-US citizens various rights and in some cases even US citizens, eg Jose Padilla (also think Newt Gingrich proposing we "limit" our first amendment rights since we're at war).

But when it comes to the 2nd amendment, there are no bounds and under no circumstances should it be limited. I was simply proposing a thought experiment and using their own reasoning as justification. Unfortunately, no one, other than yourself and kim, has responded.

" Several of my friends became rabid Liberals while watching too much of Anderson Cooper's Hurricane Katrina coverage. "

Bwahahahahahahaha!!

I am a college educated, SAHM who became a more devout Conservative watching Anderson Cooper's Katrina coverage.

Why? Because I live in Louisiana and know the truth!

Kim said, "Well, nothing could be so inane as inquiring what you think I think I mean when I use the word 'pristine'."

Did you mean clean, unblemished inanity in mint condition and still in its original box?

Kim said, "Is that pristine? Or is that 'Pristinanity'?
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As someone who worships Priste as my personal savior, I take great offense at your pristen bashing Kim.

Touche ec; well you have a sense of humour, let's see if there is a thought in your head.
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When I went into a Wal-Mart in a Dallas suburb an inquired about purchasing a shotgun, I was given paperwork and told the soonest I could buy was a full week after I handed in the filled-out paperwork. So, unless you're talking about at a gun show, one has to supply much more than just ID to purchase a gun in the U.S. (BTW, buying handguns legitimately is more difficult than buying long guns.)

Childe, you can buy a gun legally, in the United States, without showing identification.
kim

Thanks, I've never tried to buy a gun so I'm not familiar with the laws.

And now that you've confirmed this, I find it quite disconcerting. I'm not about to say people should not be able to buy firearms, but not even show ID? What about being over 18? What about being a convicted felon? What about registering it once it's been bought - it all depends on the honesty of the customer? I'm sure this varies by state, but not showing ID to buy a gun seems like an absolute mistake.

On a related note, conservatives are constantly railing for voter ID laws, why not gun ID laws?

Time for a conspiracy theory.

Although, I must admit that the chances are extremely remote, I hope that the FBI checks out this guys political connections in Korea. If he were to have a connection with N. Korea, it is entirely possible that many more students like him could be in the United States waiting for their turn to seek revenge for actions that the N.Korea's might feel have been directed against them.

Sean, for you to pose the question presupposes an inanely large degree of ignorance about the state of the argument about the meaning of 'well-regulated'. I suspect that's why no one answered you except ec with his inanity about 'rights'.

I maintain that the founders put 'well-regulated' and 'shall not be infringed' in the same sentence so we would argue about it forever and be distracted from shooting each other about it. Their plan is working, so far.

What is the purpose of 'regulating' with drill. To reduce friendly fire, and no more, but so much less.
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There is no constitutional provision limiting the state's ability to set parameters for voters as there is on limiting the state's ability to set parameter on gunowners.
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Touche ec; well you have a sense of humour, let's see if there is a thought in your head.
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Posted by: kim at April 17, 2007 12:57

LADIES FIRST KIMMY.

sean/ec, I'm bowing out of this. It's obvious to me that I only know a little more about the laws pertaining to gun ownership than you do. We're blathering.
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SAHMmy:

"Maybe I'm just incredibly exceptional."

There is no constitutional provision limiting the state's ability to set parameters for voters as there is on limiting the state's ability to set parameter on gunowners.
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Posted by: kim at April 17, 2007 01:09 PM

Voting Rights Act? 14th AM.? The Supreme Court disagrees with you on the 2nd Am too Kim.

Could you think of a different insult for me. Your use of the word inane is getting kind of inane.

langtry,

Apology accepted. I have to assume I'm just average. It's too unsettling to me to think otherwise.

kim, I know you said you're bowing out, but here are my last thoughts.

for you to pose the question presupposes an inanely large degree of ignorance about the state of the argument about the meaning of 'well-regulated'.

I think the question you're referring to is "why no gun [buying] ID laws?" (in general to everyone)

But then you say:

I suspect that's why no one answered you except ec with his inanity about 'rights'.

However, I was saying no one addressed my question of (paraphrasing): "why not make it illegal to sell guns to resident aliens (and of course illegals)?" And no one has, again excepting you and ec. So I would agree with your final post, that we are blathering a bit and our discussion is getting contorted.

But to get back to the point:

There is no constitutional provision limiting the state's ability to set parameters for voters as there is on limiting the state's ability to set parameter on gunowners.

But as you noted, there is a discrepancy in the 2nd amendment, namely "well-regulated" and "shall not be infringed". So if anything, their is a specific constitutional provision to regulate gun ownership (or at least the "militias" which possess them). And your "no constitutional provision limiting states' ability to set parameters on voters" point is completely false: read the 14th, 15th, 19th, 24th, or 26th amendments.

However, all this does not change the fact that legally buying guns w/o showing ID is a bad idea for many reasons and showing ID certainly falls within the scope of "well-regulated".

OK, I'm a sucker. The Constitution originally set parameters on voters but not gunowners, and still says so.
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Although, I must admit that the chances are extremely remote, I hope that the FBI checks out this guys political connections in Korea. If he were to have a connection with N. Korea, it is entirely possible that many more students like him could be in the United States waiting for their turn to seek revenge for actions that the N.Korea's might feel have been directed against them.

More than remote, I'd say. Cho has been living in the U.S. since 1992, when he was 8 years old. I would bet he has absolutely zero political connections in S. Korea, let alone N. Korea.

Time for a conspiracy theory.

Not really, no.

Wait a minute. Wasn't Lee Harvey Oswald stationed in Korea?
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mantis:

I believe that our problems with Korea go back to the 50's. However, I tend to agree that 8 years old seems a bit young to be training insurgents.

Kim,

Childe, you can buy a gun legally, in the United States, without showing identification.

Nice try, but that's bullshit and you know it. The only people who can buy guns without an ID and background check are guns sold through private individuals, ie, criminal to criminal.

Guns sold privately are normally done by law abiding CITIZENS.

Just because this Korean national had a receipt, does not mean that HE purchased it himself. I have a hard time believing a foreign national would pass the background check required for a firearm purchase. This means someone with a SS# and a local drivers license purchased the gun.

Still, it doesn't change the fact that American boys have been turned into pussies by leftist feminists. It's all about self esteem and good feelings. Well false self esteem and good feelings got 32 people killed yesterday. Don't give me any crap about being brave or having courage. Common sense and a survival instinct should have kicked in after watching the first 3 or 4 students killed, let alone the first 20.

We've turned a generation into metrosexual pussies who lined up for the slaughter without a single complaint and we will pay for this again as it is a massive sign of weakness.

I believe that our problems with Korea go back to the 50's. However, I tend to agree that 8 years old seems a bit young to be training insurgents

Unless you are in the Middle East, of course...

Didn't one legally armed individual commit the slaughter? note: he had a receipt for the gun.

The serial numbers were also filed off, which makes him an illegally armed individula.

Is it late or did you contradict yourself, BBGun? Did you say it was law abiding citizens or criminals who sell guns privately. Is it the 'de rigeur' showing of the ID that makes these 'private' deals legal?

Whuffo, huh?

Better, the good ole boy in the F150 was pulled over by the PoPo who strolled up and asked the good ole boy if he had any ID. The good ole boy responded: "About what?"
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