A sick attempt to get his "15 minutes" of fame!

Of course he didn't snap ... he was reintroduced to the campus by its administrators after having been removed by the police from it in 2005 and committed to a mental institution.

It is becoming increasingly obvious that dumb liberalism played a role here. This person was CLEARLY deranged; the university administration CLEARLY knew that, yet, they put him in a co-ed dorm after he was caught stalking 2 girls.

If the president of VT isn't indicted, I'd be very angry if I was a parent of one of those students who lost their lives because PC correctness prevented the University from fulfilling its mandate to protect students (having denied the students the right to protect themselves by threatening to throw them out of school if caught on campus with a licensed firearm.)

Lawyers will have a FFD on this one.

I like how the right is using extreme gun violence to push for more guns. I find a lot of the policies here to be off base, but putting more guns into the hands of more teenagers seems to be insane.

So the little Korean rants about rich people. What a little prick. There are lots of wealthy Koreans who have come here and taken advantage of the opportunity that America presents.

I'd bet he had some warped anti-American Marxist professor like Noam Chomsky which fed his jealousy for successful people. Then again he could have been pissed at wealthy people who don't earn their money like John Kerry and Teddy Kennedy (D-Chivas) of Taxachussets.

It's a shame he just didn't pack up and move back to his Utopia motherland of Korea before taking it out on a bunch of innocent and docile students.

jp2

I like how the right is using extreme gun violence to push for more guns. I find a lot of the policies here to be off base, but putting more guns into the hands of more teenagers seems to be insane.

Are you disputing the idea that say... victim #5 (for example) in Norris Hall couldn't have, or wouldn't have put a stop to this nutcakes murderous intentions if they had been armed?

The only policy that is off base, that is becoming increasingly clear, is the school admin failed to do everything possible to ensure the safety of the students they had under their charge. Over A YEAR AGO!

Moreover, whether it be on or off campus police officials and mental health officials that cared for him failed to notify the correct authorities so this guys mental problems were in the database used for background checks to purchase a firearm.

They failed, plain and simple. And I bet with this latest news more than a few lawyers phone banks are lighting up.

Doesnt the left always say we need to 'feel', and to 'understand'?

Dozens are dead now because of a friggin immigrant who needed a foot in his butt.

we need to seriously start to limit all immigration, legal or not, but, neither the D or the R have the balls to protect US citizens.

Gianni - Don't even start that immigration trash.

Cho spent 8 years in Korea and 15 years living in the U.S. He's more American than you apparently want to admit.

The only part of this issue that is worth considering is why he wasn't a U.S. citizen, he met the time requirements.

However, this is such a minor issue all things considered why bother?

The atheism comment is interesting. "Where is atheism when bad things happen?" Normally the question would be "Where is God when bad things happen?" But I think alot of people are just asking "Where were the police and the detectives when the bad things were happening in Blacksburg yesterday morning, and especially in the 2 hours between the two multiple shootings? They have got to be open to all possibilities, and often the first tip is completely wrong. Remember the white van episode in the Montgomery County rampage in 2002.

"I like how the right is using extreme gun violence to push for more guns. I find a lot of the policies here to be off base, but putting more guns into the hands of more teenagers seems to be insane."

Idiotic comment of the day: Most of the victims were adults. One was 76 years old.

Hoo boy! The Democratic talking points are really lame on this issue.

What do you do with a guy like this? Who is to say that if he was expelled he wouldn't have gotten even angrier than he was, get some weapons off the internet or black market, come back to campus and kill 20 times more people than he did.

"rants against rich people"

Well, that settles it. Democrats are to blame.

And what's with this killer spewing hate about Christianity? Hmmmm....now I wonder where he gets stuff like that?

"Are you disputing the idea that say... victim #5 (for example) in Norris Hall couldn't have, or wouldn't have put a stop to this nutcakes murderous intentions if they had been armed?"

Maybe, maybe not. But two points.

A.) think of how many more shootings there would have been with more guns in more teenage hands.

B.) Not very productive (or courteous) to say to the victims/families "You would have been alive if you would have packed some heat."

If you really think having more guns will reduce violence, then we just disagree.

If in this guy's "manifesto" he ranted against gay people, guess who would be blamed? If he ranted against the government (as in Oklahoma City bombing when Clinton blamed rightwing talk radio) guess who would be blamed? If he ranted against immigrants, guess who would be blamed? If he ranted against Muslims, guess who would be blamed.

Well, he ranted against rich people and Christianity.

Guess there will be no blame for this one. Since the politically correct demographic (and most popular scapegoat amongst the MSM) would not get the blame.

Expelled.a good idea.I'd like to know what courses this guy was taking, and his grades. The only ones we have heard were a couple of English writing courses, which he bombed.. If we find he was pushed through academically, when he should have been on his rear end..there will be more hell to pay?

To recap for the the Democrats, who aren't paying attention:

1) Female victim reports Cho stalking her to campus police and administration. Arrested? Nope.

2) Second femail victim a month later reports Cho stalking her via instant messaging. Arrested? Nope.

3) Award winning poet has Cho removed from her class because he is writing sickly violent plays and she fears for her safety. Not in 22 years of teaching has she ever done this before. Cho removed from school? Nope.

4) Cho involuntarily placed into a mental hosptial from which he is promptly released thanks to laws passed by Democrats requiring his release back into society.

5) Cho promptly placed back into a coed dorm by Democrat school administrators.

6) School threatens to eject any student caught with a legally licensed defensive weapon on campus, even though we have a Constitutional right to bear protective arms which can be used to shoot mass murderers who are not bound by the University's stupid rules.

7) Cho kills female he's stalking and then a Resident Hall administrator.

8) Cho drops by the post office to send some videos and other sundries to Brian Williams.

9) School administrators busy themselves preparing an email to students they will get 2.5 hours later telling them, oh, by the way ... a crazed killer may be on the loose. No need to panic, by the way. "We had no evidence at the time that would lead us to believe anybody else would be hurt." Except, of course, the dead bodies laying about campus and no perp in custody.

9) Cho casually walks back into the campus, which has no video cameras, no security and Barney Effin Fife for a police chief. Cho reasonably concludes hey, it's a target rich environment where nobody can possibly be armed - except of course, him.

10) NBC tampers with the evidence, making copies of it all, then calls the FBI.

11) Brian Williams, Democrat (NY), gets a scoop. Tampered evidence eventually turned over to FBI.

12) University President gets glamour shot with President Bush consoling parents of the kids he killed.

That about sum it up so far?

Academia does not generally expect the real world to seep inside its walls. Consequently, in many cases it is quite ill-prepared to comprehend and deal with it expediently when it does.

jp2:

maybe, maybe not

Do you see any surprise in these eyes? You won't, I got what was expected, no answer.

A.) think of how many more shootings there would have been with more guns in more teenage hands.

Pardon me for borrowing this: Maybe, maybe not.

B.) Not very productive (or courteous) to say to the victims/families "You would have been alive if you would have packed some heat."

Not very productive (or courteous) to say to the victims/families "You would have been alive if officials for the school admin, to the on campus police, to the mental health officials they failed to do their single most important job... to protect the students."

All of his statements seem to be from the psychology of a paranoid schizophrenic who is not taking any medication to control their dangerous bizarre thoughts. Most mentally ill persons are relatively harmless, except for the paranoid schizophrenic who harbors dangerous persecution complex sentiments and may lash out against any imaginary enemy if they are left untreated and not taking antipsychotic drugs to control these weird thoughts.

"I'd bet he had some warped anti-American Marxist professor like Noam Chomsky..."

Hmm, I haven't read Nikki Giovanni lately. Why do I have a sneaking suspicion she might fit that mold? Hmm, quick search, voila!

http://www.paulagordon.com/shows/giovanni/

"She decries terrorism and terrorists, includes George W. Bush among the latter, and decries all bullies. She tells the story of why she has a tattoo for Tupak Shakur."

But I DO find it really interesting that his writings (or maybe his participation in class) disturbed her so much. "I was willing to resign before I was going to continue with him," Giovanni said. "There was something mean about this boy."

Yet she has Tupak Shakur tatooed on her body: "Gangsta rapper Shakur, who was killed in 1996 in a drive-by shooting in Las Vegas, offended many with his songs that celebrated violence and misogyny, but he also attracted a wide audience"

Lovely.

I think at the very least the school authorities had a responsibilty to tell his roomates about this guy.(this roomates knew nothing about his previous history) or the authorities should have ensured Cho had no roommates. Presumably they were picked by lot,..Wasn't there any follow -up? to his counselling He doesn't seem to have made much progress. Isn't the university's main responsiblity the safety of their students. What about Cho's proctor or dorm administrator, didn't they receive advice or warnings about this guy?. Or is everyone tip toeing around egg shells because of concerns for invading the privacy. of already the most private person anyone could imagine. or what I fear worse, they were really afraid of this guy., and no one wanted to risk challenging him. Lots of questions.

Dinesh D'Souza? Is that hack still around? After his last book was completely roasted by the left and the right, I would think that he would lay low for awhile.

it seems to me that the people who think that more people packing heat on campus would have solved this problem watch a lot of hollywood films. i know that the badass posters on the internet would have reacted with perfect aim and coolness under pressure in the face of a homicidal rampage, but obviously the people who died were too weak and deserved to die.

isn't it also possible that more people with guns would have led to more shots fired, and then more chaos if other shooters didn't know who the original shooter was?

let's face it- there is no solution, no way to stop things like this, and no protection. it is simply a risk of living in our society. there are psychos. in some places, it is clearly easy to get a gun. therefore, every once in a while, this is going to happen. that's all. case closed. it's almost not even worth discussing any more. it's like the argument about "who is responsbile for not stopping 9/11?" no one. shit happens. there is no perfect security, and the idea we can protect ourselves from all risks is complete nonsense.

if more guns would really make us safer, wouldn't we already be the safest country on earth?

Considering this piece of rectal debris tries to make Klebold and Harris into his personal heroes shows how effed in the head this douche was. And anyone not willing to blame HIM for what he did, ie blaming the NRA/Bush/Virginia, are also cracked in the head.

jp2, You don't have to think or even guess. Documented fact (not like the left wing crap you guys spout) is that every place that has loosened the CWP laws so any honest citizen can carry legally has had a rapid drop in violent crime. Criminals like everyone else know they will themselves be shot if they try to hurt someone in these area's. I sleep well in a rural area with a gun in my bedroom and several more around the house. Never more that a few steps from one. I've got the word a few times that some of the outlaws had planned to rob me or my home since I live alone. They were told streight out by others that they will get shot, no questions asked, if they fool around in this area. Not just me, every neighbor is armed and if some of the men are working and someone is prowling the women call a neighbor at all hours of the night. I get up, take a semi-automatic pistol and a pump shotgun if they call me and check the neighborhood. Others do the same. No problem. Neighborhood watch is more than a catchy phrase.

jp2
1) "think of how many more shootings there would have been with more guns in more teenage hands."

Actually, there wouldn't be "more guns in teenagers hands" as all the "teenagers" we are talking about already have guns and concealed carry permits. So if your theory is correct you should have no trouble finding story after story of these "teenagers" rampant shootings. I don't think I'll hold my breath waiting for you to link it, though...
So your first bullshit straw man goes down in flames.

2) "Not very productive (or courteous) to say to the victims/families 'You would have been alive if you would have packed some heat.'"

Actually, many of the victims are saying that themselves:
http://www.roanoke.com/editorials/commentary/wb/80510

http://www.nydailynews.com/opinions/2007/04/18/2007-04-18_people_dont_stop_killers_people_with_gun.html

So if you'd like to tell the VICTIMS how insensitive they are towards ...um... themselves... go right ahead.
And straw man #2 goes up in flames...

ABC News:
A court found that Virginia Tech killer Seung-Hui Cho was "mentally ill" and potentially dangerous. Then it let him go.

In December 2005 -- more than a year before Monday's mass shootings -- a district court in Montgomery County, Va., ruled that Cho presented "an imminent danger to self or others."

I am glad the NRA, Bush and McCain are defending Cho's rights to buy high capacity clip, semi automatic guns.

Scrapiron, Neighborhood watch.I like it. I think that was what was missing at Virgina Tech.

Barney2000 I don't believe they checked the box 'for others'.If they had, we might not be talking about Cho tonight.

Barney, you goddamn retard. That high-capacity clip bullshit is pure fantasy.

http://confederateyankee.mu.nu/archives/223283.php

Course, pretty much ALL of your positions are based on pure fantasy...

Crapiron says

I sleep well in a rural area with a gun in my bedroom and several more around the house.

Well good for you, I prefer to sleep with women in my bedroom, but I guess you wouldn't know about that, huh?

average wizbang poster,

Is there a reason you are afraid to have both women and guns in the room with you while you're sleeping?

Yo, BarneyFifeG2000

If he'd been arrested for his previous crimes, he wouldn't have gotten the gun.

Democrat Policies = Massive Death Tolls

So brainy is it OK for mentally disturbed dangerous individual to buy 15 or 17 round 9MM Glock but not the high capacity clip 33 round Glock, or are you saying that mentally disturbed dangerous individual can buy the 33 round Glocks, but that was not the case in this situation?