The bitterness is that control of the storyline is being lost. Despite the applause, there are more ways to get info now than MSM.
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I read that transcript and I picture a bunch of barren fat hens...(too harsh?)

Can anyone name another network that consistently has BOTH (R) and (D) views not just daily, but hourly?

I see way more Dems on Fox than anywhere else.

Of course, that FACT just doesnt dovetail in with Rosie's opinionated ugliness, so she forgets to mention it. Like so many of her ilk, she wants to be unchallenged on everything she says, yet, is compelled to challenge everything out ther that doest suit her agenda.

And to think she is responsible for raising a child. Sad!

You use the old strawman argument by citing Obermann. Obermann, O'Reilly, Matthew's, Hannity, Greta, Grace, Beck et al are to news as comic books are to literature. They all have agendas, and that's what their shows are about.

Fox News is slanted. So are all the networks. Why you folks from the right just won't admit that is a mystery to me. If more news stations are "liberal" than others it's obviously because people watch them and advertisers pay for it.

All that said, Rosie is still a jackass.

I saw this Rosie rant today and just laughed. That is one angry b#@%$.

I have a hard time believing it's propaganda, if all one has to do is turn the channel.

Everyone is still laughing at Rosie's "first time in history that fire has melted steel" comment.

Like Bernie Goldberg said last night on O'Reilly, liberals are FURIOUS that they do not have the monopoly on news anymore. FURIOUS.

Don't cha just love it?!! :)

JFO---The MSM is slanted to the left--and they are main stream because they have been established for so long. Anything that is portrayed to the right of that is considered far right because it doesn't fit into the left's paradigm.

Rosie: They are slanted and right biased in my opinion.
Rosie: Well they're lying, if you ask me.

Anybody notice that she's now covering her ass?

Cloud,

with what, the fabric from a hot air balloon??

Cloudfish:

I actually think they are more center/left than anything else. But the market place determines advertising revenues so there is obviously an audience that likes it that way.

I love it when Rosie rants!! Can there actually be a larger (doh!) laughingstock out there? Hell I'm for giving her a larger platform to speak from. I say the same of Kooks at Kos and Puffington Post.
You can almost see the turkey and dressing laced spittle fly from Rosie's mouth as she rambles. You go girl!!!

Gianni,
That's a good one! I got an image of a huge Rosie balloon in a parade. Great--now I have to poke out my mind's eye....

jFO,
You are right. I guess that's why it's mainstream....

Notice how Rosie and the libs only complain about Fox. Whereas we complain about all the rest.

This bit of irony is lost on them of course.

Rosie, read newsbusters.org on a daily basis, and then get back to us on that rightwing propaganda charge. Thanks.

Jo:

I'll make you a deal. I'll read newsbusters every day for a week if you'll read Media Matters everyday for the same week.

You know, the funny thing is that everything that is presented on the MSM shows is also presented on FOX news. It's just that FOX also presents the other side or tells the whole story instead of just a small fraction of it (as the MSM often does).

When the right opinion and left opinion are presented side by side, the right almost always seems the more intelligent and thoughtful opinion.

I won't argue the FOX is right-baised, though. Just that they present the left's side as much as the right side. Anytime anyone does that, they'll appear right-biased.

I prefer getting the whole story rather than going off half-cocked.

My favorite part of the transcript was this:

Behar: They say they're fair and balanced.

Rosie: Well they're lying, if you ask me.

(Audience applause)

Note the applause -- you can attack Rosie all you want -- but she is far from alone in her mistrust of Fox.

Lee,

There was also substantial applause after her comment about fire melting steel for the first time in history.

Doesn't make it a valid statement...it just proves that the people who go to see the show unsurprisingly happen to agree with her.

That's why they're bitter, Lee; the applause only comes from the echo chambers.
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I could care less about the mean spirited hateful Rosie. Babara Walters sold her reputation for ratings. She is the one that is off my list. ww

Rosie ROCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"Notice how Rosie and the libs only complain about Fox. Whereas we complain about all the rest.

This bit of irony is lost on them of course."

Change "irony" to "paranoia" and you have a good point.

they applaud because off camera there is a gal in a wetsuit throwing dead fishies in their mouths.

AB, see jFO's comment at 12:11.

It's only paranoia if they aren't really out to get you.
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Aisha Tyler is quite the hottie, no?

If it's true that "everyone is against you" then perhaps there is a good reason and you should think about it

or

you're being lied to by the people you trust

or

you're paranoid.

Doesn't she have a flashing applause sign like other game-uh-talk shows?

Rosie is not alone in her assertions that Fox News is right wing propaganda. Keith Olbermann is just as wacky, but he does not have the exposure that Rosie gets. We all know that she is a bimbo that has had her brain melted by her love of Tom Cruise. It is also very obvious, that she did not study very hard in school, or she would have known that steel is made in fire. I wonder what did she do? Chase girls?

Media Bias: The State of the Problem
By Sheila Gribben Liaugminas

http://www.crisismagazine.com/april2007/liaugminas.htm

AB, your strawman is the 'if everyone'. Naw, we got Fox, we got blogs, we got talk radio. We will fight them in the op-eds, we will fight them on the weblogs, we will fight in the search engines, we will never give up.
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Bimbo usually is reserved for people not that bright, but attractive.

Im not sure a starving polar bear, hyena, or alligator would find her attractive.

Anyone remember the 'butt looks like 150 lbs of chewed bubble gum' movie line? For the angriest dyke of them all, Id guess its 150 lbs per cheek.

Kim, very funny. ww

You know, the funny thing is that everything that is presented on the MSM shows is also presented on FOX news. It's just that FOX also presents the other side or tells the whole story instead of just a small fraction of it (as the MSM often does).

I couldn't have said it better myself. Because the MSM is so overwhelmingly available and abundant, you can't help but be exposed to it on a daily basis. But if that is ALL that you are exposed to then you only know HALF the story, and many times a false depiction of the news. However, if you watch Fox, then you get both sides of the story. THAT is why the left hates them. They're not use to BOTH sides.

And they call the right the greedy ones? LOL.

Well tomorrow Fox can tell the truth if they want to, Rosie will still be fat and stupid

Rosie is an idiot. She irritates me with almost every word she utters. However, Fox news claims to be fair and balanced yet even O'Reilly admits they leans to the right. Righties here, even on this thread, are openly admitting it's a conservative news channel, and have no problem with the 'Fair and Balanced' motto. Maybe they mean they are balancing out of the liberal media out there, but that certaintly is a stretch, or spin, on the statement. If Fox would just own up to being a right wing news machine I wouldn't have so much of a problem with it. 24 hour TV news sucks anyway. 8 hours of coverage on an event and really, you will get 15 minutes of real information. Read many different sources and make your own intelligent opinion and you'll be better off than watching one channel with a liberal or conservative agenda. And yes, Olberman is a lefty freak, but I don't think he's ever claimed to be fair and balanced.

Rosie O'Donnell -- the poster lady for ignorance.

Suhnami, "If Fox would just own up to being a right wing news machine I wouldn't have so much of a problem with it."

If The New York Times would just own up to being a left wing news machine I wouldn't have so much of a problem with it.

If The Washington Post would just own up to being a left wing news machine I wouldn't have so much of a problem with it.

If CNN would just own up to being a left wing news machine I wouldn't have so much of a problem with it.

If MSNBC would just own up to being a left wing news machine I wouldn't have so much of a problem with it.

If ABC News would just own up to being a left wing news machine I wouldn't have so much of a problem with it.

If CBS News would just own up to being a left wing news machine I wouldn't have so much of a problem with it.

If NBC News would just own up to being a left wing news machine I wouldn't have so much of a problem with it.

If Associated Press would just own up to being a left wing news machine I wouldn't have so much of a problem with it.

If BBC would just own up to being a left wing news machine I wouldn't have so much of a problem with it.

If Reuters would just own up to being a left wing news machine I wouldn't have so much of a problem with it.

If USA Today would just own up to being a left wing news machine I wouldn't have so much of a problem with it.

It's all liberal if it doesn't fit your viewpoint? Fox News must be the only saving grace of news on the planet

Suhnami,

Im sure you dont want to appear to be a hypocrite, so why not also urge NBC, CBS, ABC, CNN, MSNBC, NPR, PBS, NYTimes, and dozens of other papers to come out and admit to being a left wing news machine?

Can anyone show me one of the other 5 main news channels, NBC, CBS, ABC, CNN, MSNBC, that shows as many (R)'s as Fox shows (D)'s?? These 5 are WAY more left than Fox is right, yet, we seldom hear an objective liberal mention that do we?

suhnami--

Fox news claims to be fair and balanced yet even O'Reilly admits they leans to the right. Righties here, even on this thread, are openly admitting it's a conservative news channel, and have no problem with the 'Fair and Balanced' motto.

I think you are conflating fair and balanced with factual and true. Fox News is indeed fair and balanced in that they allow a mostly equal time between liberal and conservative views.

The problem for many Liberals is not whether Fox News is fair and balanced, but that it leans more to the conservative side, and most importantly, it also exposes Liberals in, let's say, less than accurate actions and statements. That is fair and balanced, as well as being factual and true.

Suhnami,

It is as easy for you to spot bias at Fox as it is for us to spot it everywhere else.

Everywhere else, by the way, has consistently voted 90% Democrat for a very long time.

There is no secret here, the success of Rush and Fox is a direct result of MSM bias.

All media tosses in some contrary views to throw a bone to balance, Fox does this better than the others.

People seem to forget that until the failure of the FIRST surge offensive at about this time last year (I know, memory hole), FOX pretty consistantly disseminated an alternate reality of impending victory. Across the board, show to show. I think it was an election years stunt gone awry. It may have been cardboard.

I remember "evidence" presented being: 20 helos taking off at the same time. Usually the same stock video. It was blogged here. I remember the other networks downplaying the matter. FOX shilled for it.

Then the "treasure trove" of documents linking Saddaam to Al Qaeda. FOX and the bloggers didn't know EXACTLY what they would say (translation would take time) but somehow knew enough to assure America that they would reinforce W's position politically (same election year).
Frankly, I expected clever forgeries, but they never updated the story at all (memory hole?).

But the lamest attempt at FOX agit-prop was the Plame affair. FOX was foremost in insisting that Plame's EMPLOYERS had a right to use her as the ONLY way to discredit her husband, despite OFFICIAL channels to overturn his assessment (hint: another mission to Niger!!). But since she was stabbed in the back, nobody wished to be seen to have any motive at all. A sure sign of a rat!

FOX viewers were given the full neocon snowjob and found themselves gape-mouthed when the rat was somehow found guilty 4 ways. MSNBC's David Shuster wasn't suprised because he had no ulterior allegiance, and gave the news straight.

BTW: Libby's legal witness, Victoria Toensing has been hired by fellow neocon "genius" Paul "Holes" Wolfowitz. (I predict FOX shills for the Wolf! 20 cyber-bucks.)

sure why the hell not,

"Everyone come out and admit your political agenda when spinning your version of the facts"

Every media source in the world, say you are left
Fox news, say you are right.

That being said, I'll be equally pissed at Fox or any other network when delivering ungodly amounts of time to crap news (when a hot white girl goes missing - Any news network) or reporting errors (Mark Foley is a democrat - Fox) or supplying their goofy headlines ( a picture of George Bush with the words "Best President Ever"? ) or saying that a plane landing admist terrible conditions is a 'miracle' (CNN). Throw in Olberman's battiness and O'Reilly's literal screaming at a guest and you got some good entertainment, but really, nothing I would bank all my info on. In case you haven't guessed it, I think all American television media does an equally horrible job.

Sadly deficient at the Plame business, bD. You are clever, but easily persuaded. Work harder at not being fooled. Then you can successfully get away with acting the fool. Watch the appeals heat up soon.
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Mmm, lime kool-aid, my favorite!

Fox News is indeed fair and balanced in that they allow a mostly equal time between liberal and conservative views.

Blechhht!

Fifty-seven percent of Special Report 's one-on-one guests during the period studied were ideological conservatives, 12 percent were centrists and 11 percent were progressives.

Twenty percent of guests were non-ideological. Among ideological guests, conservatives accounted for 72 percent, while centrists made up 15 percent and progressives 14 percent. (The total exceeds 100 percent due to rounding.) Viewers were roughly five times more likely to see a conservative interviewed on Special Report than a progressive.

The five-to-one conservative-to-progressive imbalance is actually a marked improvement from FAIR's 2002 study, which found that "left-of-center" guests--three percent of the total--were outnumbered 14 to one. In the 2002 study, however, conservative dominance was less marked, at 48 percent of total guests.

and the list goes on and on.

Can anyone ever forget CNN's coverup of Saddam's offenses?

Just after Baghdad fell in early 2003, CNN ran an astonishing confession on the New York Times's op-ed page admitting that it had known, but kept secret, some "awful things" about the regime of Saddam Hussein over the years. "Each time I visited, I became more distressed by what I saw and heard--awful things that could not be reported because doing so would have jeopardized the lives of Iraqis, particularly those on our Baghdad staff," wrote Eason Jordan, CNN's chief news executive. "I came to know several Iraqi officials well enough that they confided in me that Saddam Hussein was a maniac who had to be removed." The piece went into some gruesome detail of atrocities CNN "could not report," for fear of reprisal from the dictator. "I felt awful having these stories bottled up inside me," he confessed.

Then why didn't CNN leave Iraq and alert the rest of the world about these "gut-wrenching tales" and atrocities?

ahh, I guess they wanted to protect the lib agenda??

Guess none of the sheep on the left can name a network other than Fox that does a better job of offering both (D) and (R) views.

kim, perjury. New trial or it stands. And Libby isn't worth the risk of a new trial for the polital class. They'll ROSIEPELOSI that man right out of their hair. One way trip down the memory hole.

He'll have a condo waiting for him in Caesaria. Maybe a Russian "maid".

I doubt even W will pardon him now, though. The neocons screwed up his legacy. W probably wished he'd stayed in Dad's WASP CFR orbit these days.

Ching-chong rosie knows all about propoganda and lying!

Gianni,

Can you provide links to the Dems/Reps ratio for NBC, CBS, ABC, CNN, MSNBC and Fox since you've made this statement. I'm not saying I doubt you, but you made the statement and I would like to see the back up.

Conservative: But you liberals already have all the other news outlets. CNN, ABC, CBS, Al Rueters, Al AP, MSNBC, NBC, NYTimes, WaPo, Boston Globe, etc..----they all lean left to far left.

Liberal: But you wingnuts have Fox. No Fair!

What a bunch of wimps.

Suh,

Ive watched em all. The 3 main networks are so distorted to the left its a joke. They also have limited opportunity to present multiple guests since there is only so much they can editorialize in 30 minutes. Still, these 3 have been proven liars since back when Hall of Fame lib liar Cronkite was lying about the Tet Offensive.

The cable networks have 12+ hrs a day to do their thing.

Virtually every time I watch Fox, they have a D and an R view, maybe not always for each segment, but the overall tone of the show is a view from each side of the aisle. Fox probably does a better job of broadcasting lib points of view to people that the other 2 cable news outlets, since so few watch them.

I cant tolerate CNN much, but seldom see them make the effort to equally offer an R view as Fox does a D view. MSNBC is also a joke, with people like Matthews and the windbag from ESPN who cant decide if he is funny or serious, so he is neither.

Matthews was the speechwriter for inarguably the least effective president of the last half century, so yeah, he is about as balanced as Jimmy Carter is an israeli supporter.

Proof that what Bill O'Reilly is doing works, Rosie now is going after Foxnews because Mr. O'Reilly taking her to task.

suhnami, I don't have to see the links by Gianni to know that they will be extremely disproportionate towards the left. Laughingly left.

As an (L), there are a great many (R)'s I cant stand, as most are not for smaller govt, many truly are RINO.

Fox was the first of its kind to offer BOTH views, which is why 1. They are crushing the competition, and 2. the reason the libs are in an uproar, as they have had the ability to control to an extent what gets reported, American Tass if you will. Libbies want to control what you say, what you think, what you learn, etc etc. How often has a libbie speaker on a college campus been shouted down or attacked by the republican club?

Mmm, lime kool-aid, my favorite!

Fox News is indeed fair and balanced in that they allow a mostly equal time between liberal and conservative views.

Blechhht!

Fifty-seven percent of Special Report 's one-on-one guests during the period studied were ideological conservatives, 12 percent were centrists and 11 percent were progressives.

...and the list goes on and on.

Nice try Lee. I followed your link. Seems your oracle of fairness, fair.org, was founded by Jeff Cohen. And he, according to his site, "founded FAIR in 1986. He served as the group's executive director for a number of years, and later on its board of directors. Upon taking a full time job with MSNBC in May 2002, Cohen stepped down from FAIR's board.
At MSNBC, Cohen was a senior producer on Donahue and an on-air commentator. Over the years, he has been a frequent guest on national TV and radio, including Today, Larry King Live, Donahue, C-SPAN and NPR. Formerly, he was a regular panelist on Fox News Channel's News Watch. He has served as the co-host of CNN's Crossfire.

So you pick a former senior producer on Donahue as the arbiter of Fox News fairness. Classic. Not clever.

Although, it is nice that Fox allowed him to serve as panelist, which tends to prove the point I was making.

I thought the lefties were so behind what the majority of americans want? They are turning to Fox News. Majority rules. ww

FOX may have a slight conservative slant, but I still enjoy some of the reporting and programs very much like FOX News Sunday. I certainly can't see where FOX presents "lies" as outrageous Rosie may claim just because the network has a slight political bias. Once again, Rosie is wrong.

why do you people care about rosie so much? who gives a crap what she says? since when is the view a serious news source, and since when is rosie a journalist? sheesh. get a life.

bD, once again, you are out to lunch. Libby's Defense has decided not to pursue retrial; they are appealing it.
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FOX News is as far right as the nearest center competitor is to the left.

And that's for the News. Watching a news segment on FOX is pretty indistinguishable from other news services.

Commentary is a different matter. I believe that FOX News commentary and opinion shows, while making a point to include voices from the left, clearly state opinions to the right. There's a market for that. Half the country, in fact.

I've heard people claim that FOX chooses ineffective "left" voices so it's really not as fair as it seems.

Well... look at the View. How many ladies? One token "conservative" for the others to gang up on.

And I don't know how anyone could claim that they found someone who could hold her own.

From the sounds of it, not even Barbara or any of the others on the left side can stand up to Rosie. If you notice, the others as quoted in the transcript bit up there, seem to be *gently* disagreeing. And that's after Rosie interrupted Barbara to explain "in small words" why she was wrong.

slingshot:

amen

Jo:

I'm still waiting for a response to my offer to read newsbusters every day for a week if you read Media Matters every day for a week. Put your conviction where your mouth is.

Base gambling would motivate you where intellectual curiosity wouldn't?
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Good question kim. I did read it when she made her original post. I do have lots of intellectual curiosity and try read sites and media across the spectrum. How about you? That's what led me to this blog.

So what do you think of newsbusters? Media Matters seems to me as unbiased and deserving of tax-free status as CREW does. I've participated in many fine left-wing blogs and even Fullheart Emptyhead banned me. It's gotten tiresome.

add: she couldn't stand it when I mentioned the elephant in the living room, from eRiposte's exhaustive droppings, was that the French had discovered in 1999 that there was an extensive black market in yellow cake in Africa.
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Only a lier or fool could NOT understand and admit that the "commentary" shows on Fox News are 100% Right Wing Propoganda.

They are designed to move the talking points of a political party forward.

To dismiss that as anything other than a fact is to lie or be a fool.

CNN in no way spreads Democratic talking points on it's "commentary shows" in the focused and endless way Fox News spins for the Republican Party.

MSNBC has a number of Conservative (Tucker Carlson and Chris Matthews) commentary shows to balance the left leaning Olberman.

Fox has NO liberal voice - and Colmes does not count. He is a baffoon and no liberal I know agrees with his stereotypical positions.

Put Rosie on Fox and I would call it fair and balance. Instead they put ditto head Elizabeth on their morning chat show.

Rosie is right. 100%

She actually said on the view that she was NOT going speak about the gun control issue.

Did those of you who trust Fox News see them report that.

NO - because they were upset that she called them on being propoganda.

So they manipulated you into thinking Rosie went on a rant about guns. She didnt.

They dug up old clips to attack her when she did not give them new material to use against her.

It was propoganda on the air last night about Rosie.

kim:

I think newsbusters, like Media Matters, has an agenda and they find ways to make stories fit their agenda. Remember now, I say exactly the same thing about Media Matters.

qWagmire