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Democrats Wage Information Warfare

Doug Ross has a must read post on information warfare and how he says Give'em Surrender Harry and the Democrats are using it against our military. Also read Dan Riehl's post, which Ross links, and see why he thinks these are some of the darkest days our nation has faced since the Civil War.

Update: Be sure to check out the "white flag" cartoon Michelle Malkin posted, as well as the letter she posted from "Crotchety Old Bastard" to Harry Reid demanding he completely defund the war immediately since he has declared it lost.


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We will fight them on the a... (Below threshold)
kim:

We will fight them on the airwaves, we will fight them in the op-eds, we will fight them on the blogs, we will never give up.
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If Conyers and the Vermont ... (Below threshold)
UnrepentantRedneck:

If Conyers and the Vermont delegation bring impeachment for Bush and Cheney to the floor, why can't the Republicans bring charges of Treason against Reid, Pelosi, Murtha, Kennedy, Kerry, and the key players in the MSM?
Rationale:
1) Iraqis are afraid to tell our troops of suspicious activities in their neighborhoods until they're sure we're going to stick around to protect them
2) Statements like Reid's et al erode Iraqi confidence even more than they affect troop morale
3) Troops don't get vital intel about potential interlopers and bombers because the Iraqis are afraid to cooperate
Ergo -
Reid et al may be for the troops, but they are directly responsible for endangering troops during a time of war THAT THEY VOTED TO APPROVE.

Ain't that treason?

Unrepentant Redneck

This is arguably the most v... (Below threshold)
drjohn:

This is arguably the most vile thing a Democrat has done in a long time, and that's saying something.

If the Republicans had any ... (Below threshold)
cubanbob:

If the Republicans had any balls, all they would need to do is run the following type ads in the last 3 weeks of next year's election:

30 and 60 second spots of the commie/loons doing their thing(burning flags, Bush-Hitler etc)with the caption that reads "they are not going to vote Republican. Who are you voting for?" And a round of spots with the faces of various Democrats with their spouting the usual guff with the caption "vote Democrat if you want to lose the war".

We will fight them on th... (Below threshold)
average wizbang poster:

We will fight them on the airwaves, we will fight them in the op-eds, we will fight them on the blogs, we will never give up.

Ah, so tough the fighting keyboardists are. You'll do your part sitting at home, just as long as you don't have to fight in Iraq, or send your kids to fight the 'noble cause'.

The more the war in Iraq goes south, the more unpopular it gets and the more Americans realize that its a lost cause, the more rabid and unhinged the fringe right becomes here. Hysterical!

Reihl: Make no mistake, ... (Below threshold)
Larkin:

Reihl: Make no mistake, during their day, had the Founding Fathers been saddled with an alleged leader like a Harry Reid, I suspect they would have tried and convicted him of treason before dragging him out behind some courthouse to stretch his treacherous neck.

It's interesting that Reihl references the founding fathers. It reminded me of the debates that occurred in the British Parliament and in British society during the American Revolution in the late 1700's. Some in Britain argued that if they lost the war in America that the Empire was doomed to collpase. They argued that all of Britain's enemies would see her weakness, combine their forces and crush the empire into dust. They attacked those in Britain who wanted to give up the fight against the American rebels as disloyal traitors and accused them of undermining the British forces who were on the ground in America.

Ultimately however, the British came to the realization that, as mighty as their empire was, they simply could not enforce their will on a well-armed and independence-minded population in the American colonies.

Britain lost the American Revolution and the far-flung British empire enjoyed another 150 years in the sun before it disintegrated after WWII. The same will be true for us. We can lose Iraq, but it won't mean the end of our economic and military superiority in the world. What's happening in American politics today is the increasing realization that we cannot impose our will on Iraq and we must eventually withdraw. Harry Reid is saying it openly but, I can assure you, nearly all of the Republicans are thinking the same thing. Four more years of US troops on the ground isn't going to have any more effect than the last four years have. The Iraqis are in charge of their destiny now; it's only a matter of time before we accept that fact.


How come libs always whine ... (Below threshold)
Gianni:

How come libs always whine about 'enlistment', yet they all claim to support free speech, but do all they can to ban recruiters from campuses, and choose to ignore the fact the military vote is predominately GOP.


There you go again, Giannni... (Below threshold)
Actual:

There you go again, Giannni. Asking a question crammed full of logic about Democrat talking points. Do you know how hard it is for them to constantly evade being exposed as liars ? Have some pity, for God's sake.

Gianni, do you think we can... (Below threshold)
average wizbang poster:

Gianni, do you think we can win in Iraq? At what point to wingnuts realize some things you simply cannot win, or are you so invested in what Dear Leader says, you totally refuse to accept the fact that we really could lose Iraq?

and choose to ignore the... (Below threshold)
average wizbang poster:

and choose to ignore the fact the military vote is predominately GOP.

Didn't help your party too much in the Nov 06 elections did it?

Larkin, the difference betw... (Below threshold)
Zelsdorf Ragshaft III:

Larkin, the difference between the American revolution and Iraq is that Britain actually was losing that war. They could have won it, had they used all of the resources of the empire, the outcome may have been different. However in Iraq, US and coalition forces have yet to lose. If we pull out of Iraq, we are just kicking this problem down the road as per the Clinton administration. Just how many fights do you want to have in the middle east. Israel has had to fight the same enemy several times. What people like you do not understand Lark, is that they do not want peace as we know it. If we retreat, it will not be two peaceful evangelists who come to your door seeking to spread the word. This fight is not about a President, it is about the globalization of Islam. Kamakazis used their plane to commit suicide and damage the enemy. We did not quit in the face of those fanatics, why are you willing to fold because they are using car bombs and explosive vests?

Simply put the dimmers just... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

Simply put the dimmers just don't want the military to win. Anything to damage GW. ww

How amusing to see right-wi... (Below threshold)

How amusing to see right-wingers referring to Democratic "liars", who in reality are good people striving to pressure a rogue president to accept the will of the American people.

While at the same time the MANY OBVIOUS LIES of the Bushies they seem to be blind to.

Good people?You me... (Below threshold)
Gianni:

Good people?

You mean like a Senator who betrays his nation and meets with the enemy? Or maybe one who had the opportunity to save a woman from drowning, but instead chose not to?

Maybe you are talking about good people who support the murder of over 1 million innocent babies a year, or maybe you are thinking, oops, talking about a group of politicians who have directly and indirectly slandered our troops, while encouraging our enemy over the last several years.

why can't the Republican... (Below threshold)

why can't the Republicans bring charges of Treason against Reid, Pelosi, Murtha, Kennedy, Kerry, and the key players in the MSM?

Wont happen, that isn't how Republicans operate, they are submissive to politics and want to play nice with people who don't know how to play nice.

Larkin you flaming moron we... (Below threshold)
Xennady:

Larkin you flaming moron we are not trying to impose our will on Iraq we are trying to assist the ELECTED Iraqi government in imposing ITS will upon Iraq.We-and the forces of that government-are fighting Iranian backed traitors and Al-Qaeda.And just how the hell do you know what Republicans are thinking? Furthermore you plainly don't know jack squat about the British war in America and what actually happened.If you want to learn how wrong you are read a book titled "The War for America 1775-1783" by Piers MacKesy.Note the dates in that title.And-since I know you don't actually care-I'll summarize a bit just for you: The British abandoned the effort in the future United States after several years of total warfare to avoid economic collapse and likely land invasion from France.And despite the best efforts of traitors like Harry Reid,we still haven;t fallen that far.

Dances w. f. If the Democra... (Below threshold)
Xennady:

Dances w. f. If the Democrats really believed GWB was a liar they should impeach him like the GOP did with Clinton.Otherwise they're just mouthing off to mislead the ignorant such as yourself.

average wizbang poster... (Below threshold)
marc:

average wizbang poster

Ah, so tough the fighting keyboardists are. You'll do your part sitting at home, just as long as you don't have to fight in Iraq, or send your kids to fight the 'noble cause'.

Classic chicken-hawk argument, this guys not intelligent enough to realize using it places doubt on anything he may post as related to U.S. Government, it's Constitution or the U.S.Military.

However...

AWP, lets correct what you see as a "problem" shall we?

How about you start a movement to, first amend the constitution so the only people eligible for national elected office have been or are current members of the U.S. military and secondly, support the Rep[rehensible] Murtha option:

Restart the draft, of everyone, no exceptions, zero deferments allowed. For ANY reason.

I.E. Handicapped? Too bad you sit at a Stateside desk to free up the able bodied to fight.

Homosexual? Toughen up "Bruce" and Rosie your going to Pelosi's military recruiting district as recruiters for the Navy, Marines, Army, Air Force and the reserve forces.

College plans? Too bad, you're waiting at least 4 years to start.

And finally... double the size of all current forces.

What say AWP, you OK with that?

How amusing to see right... (Below threshold)
Taltos:

How amusing to see right-wingers referring to Democratic "liars", who in reality are good people striving to pressure a rogue president to accept the will of the American people.

While at the same time the MANY OBVIOUS LIES of the Bushies they seem to be blind to.

Man, Iris' little site there reads like a bullet list of crazy.

Dances with Facists. You m... (Below threshold)
Zelsdorf Ragshaft III:

Dances with Facists. You must attend democratic functions to dance with Facists. There is no civil war in Iraq. Ref: the war between the states as an example of civil war. It does not constitute of a bunch of suicide murderers. I love your turm rogue President. I believe he was elected by a clear majority of the voters, which is something the previous administration never received. Like all you lefties you talk out the side of your neck. You think your leaders are on your side. They only seek to enslave you.

Yep Taltos, the site must c... (Below threshold)
marc:

Yep Taltos, the site must contain some sort of "delusion magnet" that sucks in every mis-conception. lie, peaceniks talking points and flat out nuttiness.

Here one of my favorites: "...and our militaries under the degrading leadership of Donald Rumsfeld now embrace the first use of nuclear weapons in armed conflict."

Shocked I tell ya, SHOCKED. I always thought we had a single military, where's the rest of them, under Bush's desk in the Oval Office? Hidden in Other Mongolia waiting to make a nuclear First Strike on something, anything!

average wizbang poster. How... (Below threshold)
Scrapiron:

average wizbang poster. How do you know the poster has not completed a tour or two in Iraq or may be posting from Iraq. Sorry for the language Lorre but this guy is one sorry POS. It may be a while but history will eventually be truthful and none of us will want our childred to decend from a democrat. The democrat party will be known in history as worse than Hitler and PolPot (whoever that assisted the democrats in the slaughter of millions in the 70's)
I'm happy that I served in Vietnam. My great grandchildren can point out that they are not decendents of the cowards responsible for the slaughter of millions. That's another + to serving with honor. I didn't spend Christmas in Cambodia and I don't have a lucky hat, but I completed a full tour and never turned traitor on my brothers and sisters that served with me.

average wizbang poster.... (Below threshold)
marc:

average wizbang poster. How do you know the poster has not completed a tour or two in Iraq or may be posting from Iraq. Sorry for the language Lorre but this guy is one sorry POS.

Do you honestly believe it would make one wit of a difference to AWP?

It takes so much intellectual dishonesty to use the term chicken-hawk, not to mention childish and lacking any idea of how the Gov. is designed to work, that in most cases it's spewed out like verbal diarrhea and then they run from the thread.

Almost all Dems claim to su... (Below threshold)
jp:

Almost all Dems claim to support the Afghanistan war, yet they are not their fighting. Using their chickenhawk logic, they are chickenhawks.

what fools

The Doug Ross piece is horn... (Below threshold)
bryanD:

The Doug Ross piece is hornswoggle. George Bush lost his own war by IGNORING the enemy. After the fall of Baghdad the OD was 1)police action (with the limited rules of engagement that entails), and 2)re-making Iraq (nation-building with NO ALLIED indigenous controlling authority!!)

The Enemy was given all the time in the world to prepare their counter-offensive. Instead of using native shieks and muftis as confederates in those first critical days, Bush spent time getting ripped-off by ex-pat Chalabi and sending off for mail order experts fresh from the polo grounds and golf courses of tidewater Virginia. And I mean FRESH off the course; see Bremer (or was he fishing that day?)

"There is no civil war in Iraq-ZR"

The "no civil war" rebuttal could be a sign of mental fatigue. If two sides of a native population take up arms against one another in their own land for political reasons, it's a civil war.

It's not working. Shrillary... (Below threshold)
Scrapiron:

It's not working. Shrillary made an a** of herself (easy job) during her appearace with the most racist man in America "$harpton". She fell back on the phony Southern drawl with the assumption that black Americans are too stupid to notice. She is making an assumption, isn't she? The fall for the lies of a major rip off like Al so she may be right.

Considering the Ross piece ... (Below threshold)
marc:

Considering the Ross piece isn't about winning or losing but about the methods the Dems are using in the political arena I'd have conclude your comment is also hornswoggle bryand[elusional].

Of course you can correct your error by pointing out what parts of the piece you believe are "hornswoggle."

We anxiously await your reply.

So Bryanduh, where is the e... (Below threshold)
Zelsdorf Ragshaft III:

So Bryanduh, where is the evidence that anything but small bands of those with differences do anything but perform acts of terror. Certainly not open warfare. If you and your ilk lower the standard to what occurs in Iraq to be called civil war, that term may apply to the gang warfare that exists in many US Cities. I think if you want to see civil war, try to impeach Bush or take away our guns. I think you would see civil war, which you will lose.

"Considering the Ross piece... (Below threshold)
bryanD:

"Considering the Ross piece isn't about winning or losing but about the methods the Dems are using in the political arena I'd have conclude your comment is also hornswoggle bryand[elusional].-marc"

As dutiful Bush partisans in the cyberwar for ideas, ALL of the Iraq-centric posts (however they're couched) are variations on a theme:

Diapering a turd and calling it Baby.

Farting and blaming the dog.

Don't believe your lying eyes.

"So Bryanduh, where is the evidence that anything but small bands of those with differences do anything but perform acts of terror-zr"

Their effective waepons are IEDs and bomb vests/belts. No need for a chinese firedrill.

There have been pitched battles between Iraqi groups and occasionally the against the US, but against the US the risks of defeat are too great. The Sun Tzu philosophy. Where weak appear strong, where strong appear weak. In other words, what the Sunni Insurgents immediately did.

LEST WE FORGET --</p... (Below threshold)

LEST WE FORGET --

February 24, 2006 2:51 PM

It Didn't Work

By William F. Buckley Jr.

"I can tell you the main reason behind all our woes--it is America." The New York Times reporter is quoting the complaint of a clothing merchant in a Sunni stronghold in Iraq. "Everything that is going on between Sunni and Shiites, the troublemaker in the middle is America."

One can't doubt that the American objective in Iraq has failed.

No surprise bryanD[elusiona... (Below threshold)
marc:

No surprise bryanD[elusional]

obfuscate the original question with extraneous information to avoid answering a simple question.

Can we get more specific, maybe it will aid you. How about this one, "Mislead the enemy by pretending to follow his wishes."

"Enemy" for the rhetorical purposes of the Dems is Bush obviously, and just as plainly ANYTHING concerning the Iraq war.

When San Fran Nan went on her suck-up tour of the Middle East and caught hell for playing couch potato with Syria's Myopic Optometrist (a/k/a president) she said she was only following the lead of the Iraqi Survey Group in 1. "talking to Syria, Iran and Hezbollah" and 2. set deadlines for the withdrawal of U.S troops in accordance with "why we were elected".

However the ISG never said any such thing:

The report does not set timetables or deadlines for the removal of troops, as contemplated by the supplemental spending bills the House and Senate passed. In fact, the report specifically opposes that approach. As many military and political leaders told us, an arbitrary deadline would allow the enemy to wait us out and would strengthen the positions of extremists over moderates. A premature American departure from Iraq, we unanimously concluded, would almost certainly produce greater sectarian violence and further deterioration of conditions in Iraq and possibly other countries.
So tell me bryanD[elusional, is that not an example of pretending to follow the wishes of the ISG.

Meanwhile, as the war "is lost" another province is handed over to Iraqi control.

Steve J. quoting a lone Iraqi

"Everything that is going on between Sunni and Shiites, the troublemaker in the middle is America."

How did that work for the last couple of centuries as Sunnis and Shiites have taken turns scrambling each others brains across the Middle East?

Wasn't Doug Ross the name o... (Below threshold)
Jo:

Wasn't Doug Ross the name of George Clooney's character on ER?

Oh, and average wizbang poster, you're an idiot. But you ran away and hid from the tough questions here, so I guess you already know that.

It's not an Iraqi civil war... (Below threshold)

It's not an Iraqi civil war. It's not for political reasons. If there are multiple factions fighting, its for religious reasons and the majority are not Iraqi Nationals. To call it an Iraqi civil war is to worry about the splinter in someone else's eye ignoring the beam in your own.

Iris reminds me of the mete... (Below threshold)
kim:

Iris reminds me of the meter reader who found a leak with a match.
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I'll go you one better kim;... (Below threshold)
marc:

I'll go you one better kim;

Iris couldn't start an arson fire in a match factory.

"It's not for political re... (Below threshold)
bryanD:

"It's not for political reasons. If there are multiple factions fighting, its for religious reasons -henry"

Since Bush deposed the secularist Saddaam, the Baathists are a small minority. Sunni and especially Shiite fundamentalists, who believe that the Koran should be a guidebook for good government (laws and ordinances) are in the ascendant. Even the less doctrinaire Sunnis are forced to reinforce ties with their more militant sect members because of the Shiite advantage in the field. And of course, conservative Islam of both stripes is inherently political. The Koran transends politics thus politics and religion are the same. The Koran is interpreted for civil use, thus it is a civil in Iraq.

"Can we get more specific, maybe it will aid you. How about this one, "Mislead the enemy by pretending to follow his wishes."

"Enemy" for the rhetorical purposes of the Dems is Bush obviously, and just as plainly ANYTHING concerning the Iraq war.-marc"

marc, I,ve posted several times that the Dems are playing a cynical game with their own left wing who wants to pullout now. The dem leadership is MORE than content for the war to continue through the election cycle. i.e. they want Bush to OWN the war (so they can own him and the republicans HOW?) by (in the end, despite political posturing for the left's benefit) FUNDING the war. They have a political alibi: "Supporting the troops".

The only people pissed will be the party that loses the White House. In the general election "supporting the troops" will trump vocalizing their dissatisfaction with the president's policies in times past. And the salve for the radical left will be a Dem in the White House.

So that's the BIG PICTURE. Don't miss the forest for the trees.

"When San Fran Nan went on her suck-up tour of the Middle East and caught hell for playing couch potato"-marc

I HEARD her poll ratings suffered not. Either way: forest, trees...

"...said she was only following the lead of the Iraqi Survey Group...is that not an example of pretending to follow the wishes of the ISG...marc"

...forest, trees...

"as the war "is lost" another province is handed over to Iraqi control...marc"

laughable! The only thing that map is good for is as a template for a toddler's first jigsaw puzzle. "Handed over". How synonymous is that with secure? And no, there are no Iraqi reinforced divisions (shhh! we don't trust them!) so 911 is USA. Or USMC.

Ps. Compare the stand-by red:blue US States maps with red:blue political district maps and you'll get the joke!

That's it, bD? All that ve... (Below threshold)
kim:

That's it, bD? All that verbiage and noise and apparent ferocity? Where's the telling point? Why is it so obvious you wish us to lose, to make losing this something Bush 'owns'.

Fah, sometimes you are good, and often you are funny, but this was just pitiful. Try harder. Try being terse. Try being obtuse. What have you got to lose?
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That's a lot of forest and ... (Below threshold)
marc:

That's a lot of forest and trees bryanD[elusional]

why it almost makes lok like you posted somethng of subtance;

I HEARD her poll ratings suffered not. Either way: forest, trees...

Funny, her approval rate went up 3 points last week while the disapproval rating went up by 4, a net loss of 4, points on the ABC poll.

CBS News Poll? Oops, Pelosi gained 1 favorable and 6 unfavorable points, a net loss of 5.

Associated Press-Ipsos poll OUCH! that ones UGLY, BD you don't even wanna go there.

And so it goes...

laughable! The only thing that map is good for is as a template for a toddler's first jigsaw puzzle. "Handed over". How synonymous is that with secure?

Hmmm...lets see... Oh yea. That's a "benchmark" if you haven't noticed, you know the very same "benchmarks" the Dems are asking for.

As for security... come on guy you can't be that ignorant and partisan to believe the talking points. You know very well the vast majority of violence is confined to 3-4 provinces out of the entire country of 18-19.

if your gonna do info warfa... (Below threshold)
Mr Ho:

if your gonna do info warfare you should at least define the date this war urr freedom operation began

what day did this Iraq free... (Below threshold)
Mr Ho:

what day did this Iraq freedom Operation to free the oppressed officialy become war? (IRAQ) I think you here have confused the GWT to the IFO.

Which is it hypocrites you want to rebuild Iraqs infrastructure or destroy it? You want to train the army or fight them?

why are you allowing your t... (Below threshold)
Mr Ho:

why are you allowing your tax dollars to equip and train your enemy? The whole conservative is off message. Who is Presidents Carters screed? Ghosts?

What party is the culture of corruption?

The right is telling the Ir... (Below threshold)
Mr Ho:

The right is telling the Iraqis behind the scenes what the left says on the scene. Stand up ya fecks, it's been five years and ya need to stand the feck up and help us secure your damn country or were gonna leave you to the wolves.

Hmmm...lets see... Oh yea. ... (Below threshold)
Mr Ho:

Hmmm...lets see... Oh yea. That's a "benchmark" if you haven't noticed, you know the very same "benchmarks" the Dems are asking for.

Your quite uninformed. The US/UN Iraqi Resolution clearly states that a report be made every sixty days. Call it a bench mark, a progress report, a situational earmark, the fact is benchmarks are a political canard that you bleatists bleat repeatedly

It took you four posts to d... (Below threshold)
marc:

It took you four posts to directly comment on something posted then one more to actually quote someone, combined none make one wit of sense.

Care to try again?

BTW do you have any relatives with the given name of Nappy Headed?

The left is in a quagmire o... (Below threshold)
kim:

The left is in a quagmire of explanation about the war. The problem is not that they don't want to win it; they want Bush to lose it. Some of them are explicit about the waiting game. It's near treasonous.
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It's both instructive and a... (Below threshold)
kim:

It's both instructive and amusing to imagine bD is a bot.
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kim...You just mad... (Below threshold)

kim...

You just made me chuckle

Sometimes he makes me laff ... (Below threshold)
kim:

Sometimes he makes me laff like a barrel of monkeys at keyboards.
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White Flag cartoon? There i... (Below threshold)
Ron Hayward:

White Flag cartoon? There is only imminent peril by withdrawing from the Iraqi war if you actually buy into the reasons we are there. We are not there to fight terrorism. I am not a democrat, but I see no reason to be in Iraq. After the Twin Towers fell, structural engineers, physicists, and demolitions experts around the world began to study just why the towers failed and collapsed. These buildings were designed to specifically withstand the impact of a fully loaded and fueled passanger plane. There is not one single example of a steel structure collapse in the history of steel frame buildings. They wanted to understand so that this would never happen again. After studying the collapse footage and samples of the steel from the wreckage, it became apparent that the buildings did not fail from the combination of impact and heat from the fires as the official story claimed. Jet fuel in an uncontrolled burn does not reach tempatures hot enough to cause steel to melt or deform. In fact the same type of certified steel was used in a test of similar conditions and did not even come close to failing. Not to mention that all 3 buildings came down that day in a way that resembled a controlled demolition. This was all a first in the history of steel frame buildings. Therefore these experts concluded that the official story could not possibly be what happened. WTC building 7 was not even hit by a plane and only had 2 small fires burning, yet at 5:20 9/11/01 all 40+ storys collapsed. A first in the history of steel frame buildings. This was just the beginning of what was discovered. It raised many important questions that demand answers. People really have to start looking into this. The official story only makes sense if you are ignorant of the actual facts. This is the kind of topic I think, thats best if you discover the real reasons 911 happened for yourself. I'll tell you this, 911 was a False Flag Operation. Our government has a bad history of conducting False Flag Operations, and its well known in Europe and other parts of the world. We all wanted those responsible for 911 to be brought to justice. Don't take my word for it, click on the link, and really ask yourself if you think you know more than the experts. http://journalof911studies.com/

They withstood the impact f... (Below threshold)
kim:

They withstood the impact from the airplanes, not only jet fuel burned, and the only force acting on those buildings was gravity, which pulled them straight down.
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kim you dont need to mentio... (Below threshold)

kim you dont need to mention the "jet fuel". Jet fuel acted as the igniter, the REAL fire was the big raging office fire (furniture, carpet, etc..) started by the jet fuel (which does burn quite a bit hotter). It didn't need to melt or deform, just lose its structural integrity, which it does at quite a low temperature, gravity did the deforming...

Why do people still believe this tripe? holy hell. it's easily been disproven over and over again yet they keep repeating it, bleating like lambs to the slaughter.
http://www.debunking911.com

Ron Hay[wire]T... (Below threshold)
marc:

Ron Hay[wire]

There is not one single example of a steel structure collapse in the history of steel frame buildings.

That comment put you straight into the running to be inducted along side Rosie in the Physics Imbecile wing of the Moron Museum of Natural History.

BTW "Imbecile" have you heard about the largest peacetime disaster in South Korean history?

Killed over 500 people and injured 937.

National Geo has a documentary covering what you in your delusional state claim has never happened.

Not to mention the infamous... (Below threshold)

Not to mention the infamous Hyatt Regency disaster..

An example of steel failure under COLD stress.

(in actuality, design implementation flaws caused that collapse, I could write a whole blog post about it, but won't do it right now, there is already more than enough info out there)

I'm waiting for the morooon... (Below threshold)
marc:

I'm waiting for the morooon to come back and claim Sampoong wasn't a "steel" structure because the frame was encased in reinforced concrete.

Which to those with the slightest grasp of reality know would make it stronger than a steel framed structure.

I doubt if he'll be back though, he's dropped that cut & paste turd in about 3-4 threads here then disappears.

All I had to do was read wh... (Below threshold)
kim:

All I had to do was read what the Popular Mechanics editor wrote about the mail he got.
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