John Kerry and the Truth about 9/11 (Wizbang)

Ace posted a video of John Kerry responding to a question about the "truth" about 9/11. Kerry says he will look into any claims "based on fact." Ace makes a great point.

Sean offers the opinion that John Kerry was simply surprised and baffled by the question, which explains (and excuses) his failure to offer a straight-up refutation of the Truther conspiracy mongering.

I think that's wrong.

If someone suggested to him he had evidence the Holocaust never happened, does anyone belive he would have repsonded in the same "sure I'll look at the facts" way...?

How about if someone suggested to him Saddam had WMD's post 2003 , or that Saddam had lower-level involvement with 9/11?

You think he would have been baffled by such questions and offered a similar "I'll have to read up on that before offering an opinon" dodge? Or would he have been a tad more definitive in his answer?

Or let me put it this way:

Currently, John Kerry is on record as being of the belief that the debate over global warming is closed and no futher questioning is proper at all, but that the debate as to whether the American government blew up the WTC, WTC7, and the Pentagon -- and executed all the passengers they had taken off the remotely-controlled airplanes -- is, currently, open and subject to further review "based on fact."

Update: The link is now fixed.

Comments (159)

A fitting post after the "i... (Below threshold)

1. Posted by Jeff Blogworthy | April 24, 2007 8:48 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)

Jeff Blogworthy:

A fitting post after the "innuendo by inquiry" bit.

Posted on April 24, 2007 08:48

In defense of John Kerry I ... (Below threshold)

2. Posted by Faith+1 | April 24, 2007 8:59 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)

Faith+1:

In defense of John Kerry I don't think this is out of character for him. I believe he will always respond in a manner he thinks his audience wants to hear. Do I believe he buys the Truthers? Not really--I don't think he cares. He will believe it or not believe it if it means more votes or money. So yes, I do think he would nod along with Holocaust if he thought that would bring more votes--or he would argue with them if thought nodding along would cost him too many votes.

This is really a non-story about Kerry. He is simply doing exactly what he has politically done his entire career--blowing along in the wind of opinion polls without any real grounding of his own.

Posted on April 24, 2007 08:59

Nailing Hanoi John to any ... (Below threshold)

3. Posted by MyLuckyHat | April 24, 2007 9:15 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)

MyLuckyHat:

Nailing Hanoi John to any 1 position is akin to a St Bernard trying to catch a chicken.

Chicken John will keep avoiding and evading, as the lib media will give him a pass, like they did on the Christmas in Cambodia lie, err, story.

Posted on April 24, 2007 09:15

"He is simply doing exact... (Below threshold)

4. Posted by Rob LA Ca. | April 24, 2007 9:16 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)

Rob LA Ca.:

"He is simply doing exactly what he has politically done his entire career--blowing along in the wind of opinion polls without any real grounding of his own."

In other words , a perpetual fraud.

Posted on April 24, 2007 09:16

"John Kerry" and "The Tru... (Below threshold)

5. Posted by Rob LA Ca. | April 24, 2007 9:19 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)

"John Kerry" and "The Truth" in the same sentence?
That was a joke right?

Posted on April 24, 2007 09:19

The difference in possible ... (Below threshold)

6. Posted by Heralder | April 24, 2007 9:27 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)

Heralder:

The difference in possible answers that Ace highlighted is due to the nature of his constituency.

When someone from the left comes up with a conspiracy theory, he attempts to avoid offending their sensibilities by courting outrageous ideas.

Posted on April 24, 2007 09:27

There are a remarkable numb... (Below threshold)

7. Posted by kim | April 24, 2007 9:27 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)

kim:

There are a remarkable number of people who believe 'Loose Change'. Democrats are all going to have to pussyfoot around these characters for awhile. It's going to make great comedy.
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7 seconds for a 47 story bu... (Below threshold)

8. Posted by civil behavior | April 24, 2007 9:30 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)

civil behavior:

7 seconds for a 47 story building not hit by airplanes but implodes in its own footprint.....

Yeah, right.

Foolish Americans.

Posted on April 24, 2007 09:30

If you delete the httpace t... (Below threshold)

9. Posted by kim | April 24, 2007 9:38 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)

If you delete the httpace the link works. Watch the two during the early part of the question. They nod in unison several times, then when the point of the question becomes apparent, they freeze. Note, too, what Theresa does with her hands just before John launches into confirming that WTC7 was a controlled demolition, or just before confirming what an idiot he is. A clever idiot, that one. Or two.

Rich, too. As if they had the wherewithal to actually put that bundle together.
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Posted on April 24, 2007 09:38

What other force besides gr... (Below threshold)

10. Posted by kim | April 24, 2007 9:40 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)

What other force besides gravity was working on it, civil behaviour? Where else was it supposed to go? What other force is working on you? Where else will you go next?
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Posted on April 24, 2007 09:40

Currently, John Ke... (Below threshold)

11. Posted by langtry | April 24, 2007 9:41 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)

langtry:

Currently, John Kerry is on record as being of the belief that the debate over global warming is closed and no futher questioning is proper at all, but that the debate as to whether the American government blew up the WTC, WTC7, and the Pentagon -- and executed all the passengers they had taken off the remotely-controlled airplanes -- is, currently, open and subject to further review "based on fact."

The reason why, in a nice, tidy little package, I have trouble taking any Democrat seriously.

Posted on April 24, 2007 09:41

Do you actually think those... (Below threshold)

12. Posted by kim | April 24, 2007 9:42 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)

Do you actually think those jets knocked the two tall buildings down? Why didn't they fall immediately?

It's uncivil not to engage your brain when you engage in conversation.
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Posted on April 24, 2007 09:42

53rd minute of Loose Change... (Below threshold)

13. Posted by bryanD | April 24, 2007 9:45 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)

bryanD:

53rd minute of Loose Change: thermite in action on the Twin Towers.
And Wonkette has video of the BBC and CNN talking about the just-collapsed WTC7. While it's still standing!
Remembers, spy kids: Synchronize those watches!

Posted on April 24, 2007 09:45

Also, do the math. Here's ... (Below threshold)

14. Posted by kim | April 24, 2007 9:48 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)

Also, do the math. Here's a nice civil experiment. Climb a 40 story building with faithful stopwatch in hand. Be sure to click it as you jump off the building. The data will need little discussion; it will be self-explanatory.
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Posted on April 24, 2007 09:48

OK, that's '7 seconds', 'no... (Below threshold)

15. Posted by kim | April 24, 2007 9:50 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)

OK, that's '7 seconds', 'not hit by airplanes', and 'footprint'. What else ya' got?
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Posted on April 24, 2007 09:50

Puff the Magic Thermite and... (Below threshold)

16. Posted by kim | April 24, 2007 9:52 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)

Puff the Magic Thermite and bD hear nuthin' but the truth from those pomaded perfumed dolls at the end of the information stream.

How do you spell credulous, bD? You need to look the word up.
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Posted on April 24, 2007 09:52

And gee thanks, Lori, for t... (Below threshold)

17. Posted by kim | April 24, 2007 9:53 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)

And gee thanks, Lori, for the headlines. I had other work to do today.
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Posted on April 24, 2007 09:53

Kinda like the true story o... (Below threshold)

18. Posted by 914 | April 24, 2007 9:55 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)

914:

Kinda like the true story of "Waco" Right Cambodia John!

Posted on April 24, 2007 09:55

Where were all of the moo... (Below threshold)

19. Posted by Dems and Waco | April 24, 2007 9:55 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)

Dems and Waco:

Where were all of the moonbat lib conspiracy theorists when Klinton-Reno killed all of those innocent people in Waco, and then demolished the site shortly thereafter?

Just think. If Klinton Reno didnt murder Koresh and company, maybe OKCity doesnt happen, maybe Columbine doesnt happen, maybe Virginia tech doesnt happen.....

Damn! brilliant minds think... (Below threshold)

20. Posted by planet/janet | April 24, 2007 10:00 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)

planet/janet:

Damn! brilliant minds think alike! ha ha ha

Posted on April 24, 2007 10:00

Dems and Waco,I'm ... (Below threshold)

21. Posted by bryanD | April 24, 2007 10:01 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)

Dems and Waco,

I'm with you on the Waco massacre. I bought Waco: Rules of Engagement. Highly recommended. FLEER video, automatic base of fire into the breaches the tanks made...

Posted on April 24, 2007 10:01

One of the sweetest outcome... (Below threshold)

22. Posted by Drago | April 24, 2007 10:03 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)

Drago:

One of the sweetest outcomes of the whole "Truther" movement has been the ostracism of lefty scientists and others who have categorically demonstrated the stupidity of the "Loose Changer's" and have been serially attacked for their sanity.

There's nothing better than seeing life-long lefties refuse to go along with what they know to be scientifically retarded and be attacked by the far lefties.

Then they sit around saying "but, but, I'm a lifelong liberal, why would I lie?", without realizing that they have empowered these far left loonies.

Posted on April 24, 2007 10:03

How do you spell credulous,... (Below threshold)

23. Posted by bryanD | April 24, 2007 10:08 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)

How do you spell credulous, bD?_kim"

That's my thought when people forget to factor in Structural Resistance into their "normal"(sic) freefall meme. After all, only several floors were weakened at all, and even there, the high temp fire of jet fuel was expended in the fireball. I worked at Sheffield Steel in the melt shop, and it takes massive electrodes 15 minutes to melt scrap steel thoroughly. And they're small chunks to begin with.

Posted on April 24, 2007 10:08

What kind of pressure were ... (Below threshold)

24. Posted by kim | April 24, 2007 10:11 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)

What kind of pressure were your melt shop chunks under?
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Posted on April 24, 2007 10:11

D, I couldn't believe the h... (Below threshold)

25. Posted by kim | April 24, 2007 10:15 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)

D, I couldn't believe the hassle I got from feminists when I objected to Clinton's behaviour. There is madness loose in the land.
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Posted on April 24, 2007 10:15

"What kind of pressure were... (Below threshold)

26. Posted by bryanD | April 24, 2007 10:19 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)

"What kind of pressure were your melt shop chunks under?-kim"

HUH?

Posted on April 24, 2007 10:19

Foolish civil behaviorists!... (Below threshold)

27. Posted by marc | April 24, 2007 10:45 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)

marc:

Foolish civil behaviorists!

bryanD[elusional] you

truly

are

idiot.

HUH!

Is that something akin to Homers Doh!!!

Posted on April 24, 2007 10:45

Your pithiness belies your ... (Below threshold)

28. Posted by kim | April 24, 2007 10:47 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)

Your pithiness belies your expertise.
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Posted on April 24, 2007 10:47

bryanD,No one has ... (Below threshold)

29. Posted by Heralder | April 24, 2007 10:47 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)

bryanD,

No one has ever claimed that the steel was melted, but that it was heated to a point of losing integrity. That point is far below the melting tempurature.

People smarter than you, I or the two children that made the Loose Change mockumentary have already dealt with these very simple issues.

I'll trust scientists, you can trust to hyperactive overly imaginative young boys. I'm confortable with that.

See? I told ya'. Great co... (Below threshold)

30. Posted by kim | April 24, 2007 10:48 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)

See? I told ya'. Great comedy.
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Posted on April 24, 2007 10:48

Looks like I win the typo a... (Below threshold)

31. Posted by Heralder | April 24, 2007 10:51 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)

Looks like I win the typo award of the day and it's only my second post. sigh.

Posted on April 24, 2007 10:51

I'll tell you what is tragi... (Below threshold)

32. Posted by kim | April 24, 2007 10:52 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)

I'll tell you what is tragic. You can argue these points to intelligent people until you are hoarse, and if they have the bug of BDS it's like they are stone deaf. There is madness loose in the land. We've got it great, and they think Bush is a bad president.
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Posted on April 24, 2007 10:52

A couple of small nots for ... (Below threshold)

33. Posted by cirby | April 24, 2007 10:54 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)

cirby:

A couple of small nots for the tinfoil hat crowd:

No, you don't need to melt steel for it to weaken, no matter what Saint Rosie thinks.

No, the building didn't collapse at free-fall speeds (as evidenced by actual debris falling faster than the bulk of the building in all of the videos).

No, they didn't use thermite to weaken or destroy the buildings, since you didn't see any trace of the insanely bright light that would have resulted from the use of thermite.

Yes, everyone who thinks the buildings were demolished by means other than being hit by hundreds of tons of metal and fuel traveling at hundreds of miles per hour, plus the ensuing fires in the heavily-damaged WTC buildings (and yes, that includes WTC 7, which had a huge hole torn out of it by WTC 1/2 debris) is crazy.

Posted on April 24, 2007 10:54

I mean looky here. Bread a... (Below threshold)

34. Posted by kim | April 24, 2007 10:55 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)

I mean looky here. Bread and circuses abound everywhere you look, and the only sacrifice it takes is that of a few volunteers. Wait'll you get a look at what's next.
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Posted on April 24, 2007 10:55

Well at least civil behavio... (Below threshold)

35. Posted by Michael | April 24, 2007 10:57 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)

Michael:

Well at least civil behaviour and BryanD have without a doubt, in
their own words proven that they are A number 1 idiots.

Posted on April 24, 2007 10:57

The radio station I listen ... (Below threshold)

36. Posted by Heralder | April 24, 2007 11:01 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)

The radio station I listen to had, a few weeks ago, some people call in on air about Ms. O'Donnell's comments. This being New York City, it's not surprising that many of those callers were people that were there on that day to witness it, or for cleanup.

An engineer who was present reminded us the WTC 7 had been burning for several hours before it fell.

Posted on April 24, 2007 11:01

Unfortunately Michael, that... (Below threshold)

37. Posted by Heralder | April 24, 2007 11:03 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)

Unfortunately Michael, that fact is proven every time Civil Behavior posts and about half of the time bryanD posts.

Posted on April 24, 2007 11:03

Oh dear, not this again. M... (Below threshold)

38. Posted by mantis | April 24, 2007 11:13 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)

mantis:

Oh dear, not this again. Missiles and thermite and bears, oh my!

There is no mystery what took down the towers (all three of them), but it was a conspiracy. A conspiracy of Saudi Wahhabists to take them down using airplanes.

Posted on April 24, 2007 11:13

As the Westford MA Democrat... (Below threshold)

39. Posted by philw | April 24, 2007 11:15 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)

philw:

As the Westford MA Democratic campaign manager for JF Kerry's 1st political campaign (he lost) I can see that character stays true. This politically calculating self-absorbed legend in his own mind has never changed.

Forgive me for my past sins. I voted for Carter too.

Posted on April 24, 2007 11:15

"I worked at Sheffield Stee... (Below threshold)

40. Posted by philw | April 24, 2007 11:19 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)

"I worked at Sheffield Steel in the melt shop, and it takes massive electrodes 15 minutes to melt scrap steel thoroughly. And they're small chunks to begin with." bryan

Obviously you lack an engineering degree as well as common sense. The steel does not need to melt. It simply needs to be heated to the point where its tensile strength drops. The rest of the work is done by the potential energy of the Earth's gravitational field.

Posted on April 24, 2007 11:19

41. Posted by bryanD | April 24, 2007 11:23 AM | Score: 0 (0