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What Would It Take for Joe Lieberman to Fire Harry Reid?

Townhall has an online petition you can participate in to let Harry Reid know that you don't think the war in Iraq is lost, while others are asking Joe Lieberman to fire Reid. There was a time, not so long ago, that Lieberman expressed concern about the Democrats' position on Iraq. Now that so much has happened, including his majority leader declaring the war lost and congressional threats to defund the mission, what will he do? Is this going to be another case of Lieberman speaking out, but taking no action, as he did in the Clinton impeachment? This is a much more important matter, with not only many lives at stake, but also the security of the country and our place in the world. What would it take for Joe Lieberman to break ranks with the Democrats in the Senate and fire Harry Reid?

Lieberman on Iraq:

April 20, 2007

The question now before us is whether we respond to these terrorist attacks by running away as Al Qaeda hopes - abandoning the future of Iraq, the Middle East, and ultimately our own security to the very same people responsible for this week's atrocities - or whether we stand united to fight them.

This is exactly the wrong time to conclude that we have lost the war in Iraq, or that our new strategy has failed. Instead, we should provide General Petraeus and his troops with the time and the resources to succeed. We should not surrender in the face of barbarism.

February 27, 2007

Gen. Petraeus says he will be able to see whether progress is occurring by the end of the summer, so let us declare a truce in the Washington political war over Iraq until then. Let us come together around a constructive legislative agenda for our security: authorizing an increase in the size of the Army and Marines, funding the equipment and protection our troops need, monitoring progress on the ground in Iraq with oversight hearings, investigating contract procedures, and guaranteeing Iraq war veterans the first-class treatment and care they deserve when they come home.

We are at a critical moment in Iraq--at the beginning of a key battle, in the midst of a war that is irretrievably bound up in an even bigger, global struggle against the totalitarian ideology of radical Islamism. However tired, however frustrated, however angry we may feel, we must remember that our forces in Iraq carry America's cause--the cause of freedom--which we abandon at our peril.

December 29, 2006 -- "Why We Need More Troops in Iraq"

In Iraq today we have a responsibility to do what is strategically and morally right for our nation over the long term -- not what appears easier in the short term. The daily scenes of death and destruction are heartbreaking and infuriating. But there is no better strategic and moral alternative for America than standing with the moderate Iraqis until the country is stable and they can take over their security. Rather than engaging in hand-wringing, carping or calls for withdrawal, we must summon the vision, will and courage to take the difficult and decisive steps needed for success and, yes, victory in Iraq.

November 29, 2005 -- "Our troops must stay."

November 23, 2005 -- Failure in Iraq would be "catastrophic."

California Conservative
explains how damaging the Democrat leaders' current words and actions on Iraq are and how they could cost them dearly, especially newly elected moderate Democrats in Congress. That is no consolation. Even if the Democrats' current strategy benefits Republicans in the long run at the polls, the country will pay a higher price than I can even begin to imagine. Senator Lieberman has the power to act. He needs to exercise that power now to either convince his fellow Democrats to put country before politics, or to strip them of the power to continue pursuing a strategy of retreat and defeat.

Update: Michael Illions urges Lieberman to fire Reid the day the Iraq funding vote is taken.


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Comments (44)

Some one needs to put Harry... (Below threshold)
Rovin:

Some one needs to put Harry out to pasture, soon.

Say it's so Joe!

"Firing" Reed would hurt th... (Below threshold)
Publicus:

"Firing" Reed would hurt the Democrats. No doubt about it. But it wouldn't get the House to fund the war in Iraq. The real legislative power right now is in the House, not the Senate.

No money, no war. Even if the Senate had 100 Republicans, the Senate doesn't hold the purse strings. If you want to continue the war in Iraq (and I know you do!), you've got to get the Democrats in the House to put up the money. Maybe they will; maybe they won't. Who knows?

Who becomes Senate leader i... (Below threshold)
Scrapiron:

Who becomes Senate leader if Joe switches sides? Does it just end up in a tie and a stalemate which might not be a bad idea. Two years with no new dumb laws from congress would be a blessing.

The first 100 hours were a bomb. What was the count for the first 100 days? Minus 1? Corruption and crime is running rampart in congress. Hey Nan, isn't going too well for you, is that why you turned traitor or was it simply to get your name in the news. Cho's name is in the news and he really didn't kill as many as your total kills will end up being.

Reid's opinion of the war w... (Below threshold)

Reid's opinion of the war won't cause thev war to fail; only a 140,000+ U.S. Troops in a nation with a bigger population than South Vietnam, and outnumbered by millions of Sunnis who support the insurgents will cause the war to fail.

There was simply never enough U.S. forces available to win this war from the very beginning. The administration just never planned for centuries old Sunni vs. Shiite violence to once again erupt and doom this war from a quick peaceful conclusion to an ages old sectarian conflict. Even though Reid's thoughts on this war were better kept to himself, because they may have incidental impact on troop morale, that still won't vhange the fact that this war could never be won with the small number of U.S.forces committed to the conflict. Afghanistan is the next situation that will likely go bad from too few soldiers. You either commit all the way to win a war, or else don't fight one to begin, because half measures will make you fail every time.

The first 100 days was a bo... (Below threshold)
Jo:

The first 100 days was a bomb. I believe it was ABC Nightly News that admitted this.

David Broder now saying Harry Reid is a "bumbling embarrassment" and must go! OUCH!

What Would It Take for J... (Below threshold)
mantis:

What Would It Take for Joe Lieberman to Fire Harry Reid?

A desire to not be reelected?

Lorie, unfortunately, unles... (Below threshold)

Lorie, unfortunately, unless I've got my facts wrong (it does happen) Give-'em-a-smile Harry's Senate Majority Leader for the duration of the 110th Congress even if Joe Lieberman and a few other Senators switch parties. You have access to better sources than I do; maybe you can check into it.

Yeah Mantis, I think threat... (Below threshold)
Zelsdorf Ragshaft III:

Yeah Mantis, I think threatening Joe Lieberman with withdrawing support of the Democrats is a real good idea. Who do you think elected him? You idiot. He was elected by Republicans and independents. His pro war stance was well known and the loser that ran against him was soundly defeated. I hope you do not advocate for anyone who really needs help.

The tragedy is that we are ... (Below threshold)
epador:

The tragedy is that we are already defeated militarily in Iraq by the Democratic sympathizers. The battle line will move Stateside soon. Stock up on bottled water and iodine tablets. They'll be vital survival tools in the next two years.

If Lieberman switches and t... (Below threshold)
JAT:

If Lieberman switches and the democrats are no longer the majority party, the leadership reverts back to the previous majority - Republicans. Lieberman has the fate of the free world on his shoulders - I think he knows it too and is afraid to make that critical leap- so far.

Harry Reid: <a href="http:/... (Below threshold)
George:
Slightly of topic:... (Below threshold)
Jeff Blogworthy:

Slightly of topic:

I think the silence of Republican leadership on this issue - including from the POTUS - is despicable. Where is the outrage? Where are the calls for resignation and/or apology? The Repubs have thrown away another chance to hold Dems accountable. I can't help but wonder what was in all those Clinton FBI files. Is this the cowing power or are they just all wimps?

The war started going badly... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

The war started going badly when the ROE's were changed to a cumbersome politicly correct number. Now that they have adjusted them ROE's downward, things will change. Unfortunately, in a war, many innocents die. It is a loss that must be excepted. ww

"You either commit all the ... (Below threshold)
Rob LA Ca.:

"You either commit all the way to win a war, or else don't fight one to begin, because half measures will make you fail every time."

Ya sure , tell that to the two faced criminal fraud traitorcraps.

"The administration just never planned for centuries old Sunni vs. Shiite violence to once again erupt and doom this war from a quick peaceful conclusion to an ages old sectarian conflict."

President Bush and his administration never planned for some fat drunk to scream Quagmire! at the top of his lungs and lie his fucken ass off with the rest of the MINORITY scumbags. Who the hell would have envisioned the desparate irrelevant and deranged Pelosicrats launching a campaign of outright lies and fraud against our President and our Country in the middle of a War?

The democrats treachery has been seared in History.

trea·son (trē'zən) pronunciation
n.

1. Violation of allegiance toward one's country or sovereign, especially the betrayal of one's country by waging war against it or by consciously and purposely acting to aid its enemies.

Democrats are irrefutably guilty , no question about it.

Who becomes Senate... (Below threshold)
Mac Lorry:
Who becomes Senate leader if Joe switches sides? Does it just end up in a tie and a stalemate which might not be a bad idea. Two years with no new dumb laws from congress would be a blessing.

When there is a tie in the Senate the VP gets to cast the tie breaker. That means the Republicans would hold the majority, at least until one of their own switches sides, which has happened in the past. Then again, maybe a democrats other than Joe will switch sides and put the Republicans in the majority.

It's too early for anyone to change sides. If there's no funding bill by July and if there are stories of shortages of supplies in Afghanistan or Iraq, then the pressure will be on. However, if it's the House that's holding things up, then there's still no pressure for anyone in the Senate to switch sides.

If congress simply won't fund the war then Bush may have to take drastic action such as shutting down major bases in Germany and Japan to offset the cost of the war on terror. Actually, I think that would be a positive outcome and Congress would be giving Bush political cover to bring the troops home from Germany and Japan.

What would it take for smok... (Below threshold)
914:

What would it take for smokin Joe to fire Harry greed?"

A six pack of Grain belt and a casket!

Yeah Mantis, I think thr... (Below threshold)
mantis:

Yeah Mantis, I think threatening Joe Lieberman with withdrawing support of the Democrats is a real good idea.

It's not a threat; I don't live in Connecticut.

Who do you think elected him? You idiot. He was elected by Republicans and independents.

33% of Conn. Democrats voted for Lieberman in the November general election. Do you think they would again if he switched to Republican? Do you think he could be reelected without them?

When there is a tie in t... (Below threshold)
mantis:

When there is a tie in the Senate the VP gets to cast the tie breaker. That means the Republicans would hold the majority, at least until one of their own switches sides, which has happened in the past.

Well, not really, the difference between this Congress and the 107th/Jeffords thing was pointed out here. If Lieberman were to switch, the Democrats would maintain the majority, but the VP would still cast tie-breaking votes (of course).

Reid needs to go and Lieber... (Below threshold)

Reid needs to go and Lieberman is the ONLY ONE who can accomplish it.

Well, not really, ... (Below threshold)
Mac Lorry:
Well, not really, the difference between this Congress and the 107th/Jeffords thing was pointed out here. If Lieberman were to switch, the Democrats would maintain the majority, but the VP would still cast tie-breaking votes (of course).

Good point. It appears all the hoopla about Joe switching parties is irrelevant. Democrats will remain the majority party at least until Jan 2009. Joe is off the hook.

Joey.....a republican in de... (Below threshold)
jeff:

Joey.....a republican in democrats clothes. Fuck him.

What Would It Take for J... (Below threshold)
Peter F.:

What Would It Take for Joe Lieberman to Fire Harry Reid?

Tie him to a Tomahawk, push a button and launch him toward, I dunno, one of Moqtada al Sadr's safehouses?

Shouldn't be too hard...

Lorie,This has to be... (Below threshold)
jeff:

Lorie,
This has to be the most ignorant post of all time. Who gave liberman the authority to fire an elected official? Get all the petition signatures you want nothing is going to change. You need to seriously check the rules on removing a senator. Pretty much they have to either quit or die. And when they quit they can appoint their temp. successor.

As Ozzie Guillen said " Ppppsssshhh, Please."

I was of the opinion that t... (Below threshold)
Zelsdorf Ragshaft III:

I was of the opinion that there were 51 democrats and 49 Republicans. Two independants caucusing with the Dems. If Lieberman were to caucus with the Republicans that would give them a 50/50 split, giving the tiebreaker to the VP. Considering a floor vote could be taken to decide who holds the majority, we know who would win.

"This has to be the most ig... (Below threshold)
Yowza:

"This has to be the most ignorant post of all time. Who gave liberman the authority to fire an elected official? Get all the petition signatures you want nothing is going to change. You need to seriously check the rules on removing a senator. Pretty much they have to either quit or die. And when they quit they can appoint their temp. successor."

You stuck on stupid or what...if Joe switched parties the Republicans would then have majority in Senate and Reid would be 'fired' as Senate Majority Leader.

I can't believe there are p... (Below threshold)
Yowza:

I can't believe there are people who actually think Joe would do something like this. Granted, it would be the right thing but he's a Liberal to da bone...ain't gonna happen.

Aren't the rules of this co... (Below threshold)
KSM:

Aren't the rules of this congress such that the Dems are in control until the next election, even if Joe does the right thing and caucuses with the Republicans?

Didn't the Dems get everyone to agree on this?

Anybody know for sure?

The thing that surprises me... (Below threshold)
Frank J. Parkerson:

The thing that surprises me the most about Casper Milquetoast Harry, is that he was elected my the citizens of Nevada. It somehow doesn't seem a good fit. Well, maybe that situation will be rectified the next time he runs.

With the exception of gende... (Below threshold)
John F Lob:

With the exception of gender (I think), what is the difference between Harry Reid and Tokyo Rose? She was tried, convicted, and punished for her acts or treason. Harry Reid should also be tried for treason? His actions seem so atrocious that they easily supersede any immunity accorded an elected official performing the duties of their office. What Harry Reid has done IS NOT a duty of his office, quite the contrary. In no way is he defending and upholding the United States or their Constitution. He is only holding up the Constitution as a hostage to coerce power for his party.

Lieberman may be a liberal,... (Below threshold)

Lieberman may be a liberal, but he doesn't want to lose in Iraq. I don't agree with many of Joe's positions on certain issues, but he is a politician who generally seems to stand by the courage of his convictions (hence him not taking losing the Dem primary laying down and running as an independent). If it comes down to losing in Iraq or him switching parties, I think he'd switch.

1. The Senate sets the rul... (Below threshold)
LenS:

1. The Senate sets the rules for the Senate. That means that 51 votes (or 50 votes plus VP) determines what goes (recall the nuclear option on filibusters). Those rules can be changed anytime enough Senators want it changed (recall Byrd changing the filibuster back in the 70's).

2. Reid wouldn't be fired as Senator. He would keep that elected position. His leadership position is subject to his keeping a majority within his Democratic/Independent caucus AND to that caucus keeping a majority within the entire Senate.

3. Finally, is Senator Johnson back from his stroke yet? If not, then the D/I caucus only has 50 actual votes on the floor. So a Lieberman switch changes it from a 50-49 D/I edge to a 49/50 edge to the GOP. I guess they could roll him in on a stretcher, but that's a risky strategy if he's still not functioning.

It's interesting how Reid a... (Below threshold)
redherkey:

It's interesting how Reid and Pelosi are doing nearly everything they can to support the troops... of our enemies and damage our own. Pelosi, who had no difficulty finding time for an extensive trip to Syria and is planning more dialog with Iranians, can't find an hour for a key combat military leader of our troops. Reid has also been absent from his duties in working with America's military leaders.

"Supporting the troops" for one who is in a congressional office means meeting with the leaders of the troops, attending briefings, etc. Pelosi and Reid's breach of duties is grounds for removal from office, and given their active support and dialog with our enemies, should result in prosecution.

Unfortunately, such actions require an executive branch with the slightest amount of competence and courage in their convictions. Given how the President can't distinguish excellence from incompetence (e.g. Harriet Myers, AG Gonzales, etc.), it appears Americans are going to take considerable damage to our security for quite some time.

The real threat from Lieber... (Below threshold)
chsw:

The real threat from Lieberman switching parties is to accelerate the weaning of Jews from the Jackass Party. Few people wrote about how GWB increased his share of the Jewish vote by more than one-third between 2000 and 2004. It wasn't close to a majority, but it was a start.

chsw

Lieberman is too left on ot... (Below threshold)
nope:

Lieberman is too left on other issues to follow through on this supposed threat

Joe switching to the Repubs... (Below threshold)
Syntax:

Joe switching to the Repubs? PUH-LEEZE!!! GO JOE GO!!! DEMS DON'T NEED YA PAL! Just go on and go buddy!

What happens to Joe if he does? He loses his majority within a caucus. Think the Repubs are just gonna let this Liberal climb the ranks instantly? PUH-LEEZE! He has to start from scratch and climb just like all the rest. With the exception of the war in Iraq, Liebie is a Liberal on practically every other issue there is so very little if any support from the Right and the tit will definately run dry from all his support from the Left. Talk about a bankrupt re-election campaign without the 33% of the Dems who re-elected him to begin with. Political suicide and Joe knows it or he would have switched while running his campaign. Instead he ran as an Independant while maintaining his Democratic majority within the caucus. Cake and eat it too! And remember, you Right-wingers don't have a very high regard for traitors so he'd be appreciated but never respected.

The majority of America spoke in November of 2006 and you minority whiners aren't smart enough to get the point yet and probably never will. Reid's comments may lack intelligence in wording but lets face it...78% of this country feel the exact same way as Reid. You pathetic 22% need to really read a book or something or catch up on paying your past due balance on your intelligent design bill. Joe Liebie is a politician who knows the will of the American people and will not switch sides for anything and if he did? Ain't squat within the Republican caucus to fire anybody! Keep dreamin 22%!

NATIONAL REVIEW ONLINE<b... (Below threshold)

NATIONAL REVIEW ONLINE
February 24, 2006 2:51 PM

It Didn't Work

By William F. Buckley Jr.

"I can tell you the main reason behind all our woes--it is America." The New York Times reporter is quoting the complaint of a clothing merchant in a Sunni stronghold in Iraq. "Everything that is going on between Sunni and Shiites, the troublemaker in the middle is America."

One can't doubt that the American objective in Iraq has failed.

Joe won't switch, he's a li... (Below threshold)
Judith:

Joe won't switch, he's a liberal. He will change some of his positions to a more liberal position to advance himself (remember his makeover for vp to gore). The dems can tolerate a certain number of American's being killed in order to appease the enemy and, it would appear, we are headed back to those days. What's a few embassies blown up, kidnapped, tortured and dismembered Americans, amongst our friends...a tolerable price for the dems to continue doing business. What the public seems to not know, is the dems intent to keep our forces in the mideast, just not in iraq (heard kennedy say this is to maintain our national interests). I can't decide which middle east nation will be willing to house our military after we are defeated. I would also like to know the terms of surrender the dems have drawn up.

Quote: One can't doubt that... (Below threshold)
Althor:

Quote: One can't doubt that the American objective in Iraq has failed.

Posted by: Steve J. at April 25, 2007 04:57 AM

The American objective in Iraq has not failed, but if it eventually does, it is thanks to the left-wing mainstream media, the anti-war crowd, the peace-mongerers, the hate-America crowd within our own country, and the traitorous Democrats!

Even while the Iraqis danced on the streets of Baghdad celebrating the fall of Saddam, the lefty pessimists, the naysayers, and the anti-war crowd - with the help of their media buddies - were already making mountains out of mole hills, creating scandals about missing weapons caches, and criticizing the war at every turn on the slightest pretext. Their campaign has been pervasive and unrelenting, night after night on our TV screens and in the media. They are the ones who made of their "where are the weapons of mass destruction" whining, and of their often prophesized "sectarian violence" self-fulfilling prophecies! They have helped incite the violence and the carnage with all their inflammatory and seditious reporting such as with all the hooplah about the so called Abu Ghraib prison scandal - even though the Military was already investigating the matter long before it became public, and was already in the process of Court Martialing those responsible!

If American objectives yet fail in Iraq it is due to the traitors amongst us, who have worked against us since the war began! Like vultures they circle on a death-watch over all things Iraq...waiting to gloat in the fruit of all their treachery and betrayal!

Althor

If Lieberman were to do wha... (Below threshold)
Justin:

If Lieberman were to do what you suggest, he would be breaking a promise to everyone who voted for him. When he was re-elected, everyone knew two things: (1) That he and the Dems were at odds over the war; and (2) That he promised to remain in the Dem caucus.

That is a good point, Justi... (Below threshold)
Lorie Byrd:

That is a good point, Justin, and I really don't expect him to fire Harry Reid, but the further Reid goes the more I wonder what Lieberman must be thinking. If you notice, I called for Lieberman "to either convince his fellow Democrats to put country before politics, or to strip them of the power to continue pursuing a strategy of retreat and defeat." I hope he at least still has enough influence in the party to show them how damaging their current words and actions are to the country, particularly our troops in harm's way.

Jeff Blogworthy: the si... (Below threshold)
Paul A'Barge:

Jeff Blogworthy: the silence of Republican leadership

Wow. Just wow. How did you miss the statements of POTUS, VPOTUS and the House leaders who excoriated Reid, either directly (see VPOTUS) or indirectly (see POTUS)?

Either you need to get out more, or you need to read more than two blogs a day for your current events information.

Fire him??? He should be fr... (Below threshold)
Metro:

Fire him??? He should be frog marched out onto the front lawn and shot by a firing squad for treason.

How's that for 'firing' his pathetic ass?

Paul Hoosen's comment, abov... (Below threshold)
Marcus:

Paul Hoosen's comment, above, elaborates a flawed thesis. He argues, as do many, that the US either has to commit massive numbers of troops or withdraw.

The stragegy of the US has always beeen to support the Iraqis in their making of a new government. That job is now requiring additional troops, not a massive buildup. Al Quaeda is pouring as much gasoline on the fire as it can, but the wisdom of Petraeus's strategy seems to be isolating AQ, and its Baathist opportunist allies.

Hi there,It looks ... (Below threshold)
Eric:

Hi there,

It looks like us Nevadans have finally come to our senses and are hunting for the right way to start the recall movement.

Oppose Harry Reid.
www.opposereid.com

-Eric




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