The better question would be what makes people think this. Clearly it's a sign that Bush has credibility issues...

The better question would be what makes people think this. Clearly it's a sign that Bush has credibility issues...

LOL! I hope that's being sardonic. If not, it's pretty ironic the first post would be from a BDS-sufferer.

I'd say the constant barrage of propaganda (such as Fahrenheit 9/11) by people more concerned with filling their own pocket than care about their fellow citizens has much to do with it.

The better question would be what makes people think this. Clearly it's a sign that Bush has credibility issues...

Or a more potent variety of psychotropic drugs on the street...

I just naturally assume that those that are crazy enough to think that are the ones walking around dressed like Rosie-O-Donut or dancing down the street in in a little red riding hood outfit. Most probably spend they're vacation in Kansas searching for the magic rabbit hole, or scanning the sky for UFO's. Actually that could be almost any democrat. Crazy as a bed bug, and/or smart as a box of rocks.

"The better question would be what makes people think this."

Answer...because they are dumber than a box of rocks.

And that is my charitable take on the subject.

BDS has gone to seed and sprouted. There is something rotten in the Democrat party, and it's not the fish.

...wondering if Paul Hamilton is a sock puppet for....
do we have a commenter here who is a cheerleader for the "controlled demolition" theory (and I don't mean Jawn Kerry)???

In the spirit of Operation Northwoods (google it!)...

A clue to why the air shield was "confused" on 9/11:

http://www.boston.com/news/packages/sept11/anniversary/wire_stories/0903_plane_exercise.htm

This one's really creepy! (RE:7/7 London exactimundo!)..

http://globalresearch.ca/audiovideo/070705londonterrorexercise.wmv

Speaking of moonbat nutjobs and their conspiracies, the movie Loose Change, which was to be shown on Virgin Airways has been pulled due to influence of the rightwing blogosophere!

Whoooo hooooo!

So roughly 66,388,536 Americans believe Bush knew about 9/11 before it happened?

Man, that's just plain scary.

I find it very funny that the same nutjobs that think 9/11 was an inside job also think that we are losing our rights. Don't you think that if our government was nasty enough to kill 3000 citizens they would be whacking some of these idiots to keep them quiet? Talk about freedom of speech. I would like see the Russians to call Putin "chimpy" every day, and see how long before they take a big dirt nap.

Ah the article does say "voters" so the number would be something less than what I wrote. Still, it is freaky that millions believe it.

BTW, Kim your link is messed up -- has one too many "http://" after it.

Is this a propaganda war against Bush by the terrorist-loving section in the US?

Gee, a dozen more responses and no one has seriously answered my question. I don't think there are tens of millions of Americans who hate George Bush so much that they'd believe *anything* people say about him, but in this one particular case, they do believe it. Sarcasm and partisanship aside, what explanation do you have for this.

To address one of the points raised, no, I am not a 9-11 conspiracy buff. I think the facts are pretty well established and I see no glaring flaws in the official account of events.

A friend of my wife worked in an office building just the other side of the highway from the Pentagon and actually saw the plane smash into the side of the building. I know one person who believes to the core of his being that it was a missile which hit the Pentagon and I've asked him why this person -- who had no connection whatsoever with the government -- would lie about what she saw with her own eyes. He can't answer that, but he doesn't believe her either. That's why it's so hard to have a reasonable discussion with people who are conspiracy buffs.

22% also believe that fire won't melt steel. They still sell Weekly World News and someone listened to Air America, so I can buy that percentage.

P.T. Barnum lived for those guys.

"I see no glaring flaws in the official account of events...paul"

1)OY! watch Loose Change (it's free; Google/youtube video). A passenger jet will not FIT in the Pentagon Hole. Check it out! (Standard windows visible capture the scale of the thing, pre-collapse). Be sure to check out minute 53, too. Thermite? Also, the cell phone rehearsals of "highjacked" flight over PA.

2)3 skyscrapers collapsed. within hours of each other. If you can find another example of such a phenomenon (EVEN 1), let me know. I've requested links here before. No takers (and a poured concrete shopping mall doesn't count. marc!:o) ) Plenty of knocked-over 'scrapers; not pulverized (save for Atta's passport!!!!conveeeenient.) And, no: a plane 1/100(?) the size of a building will not induce spontaneous destruction.

Don't miss the possibility (indeed probability) that a fair number of Democrats in the poll may have been insisting that Bush should have known. Remember, the media, who have not beaten the drum much for 9-11 crackpottery pushed that August 6, 2001 PDB as if it said "Osama planning to crash airliners into buildings next month!" Probably where that 1 in 8 Republican response comes from as well.

I pay a lot of attention to these kooks at Screw Loose Change. I'm going to guess that the real percentage of 9-11 Deniers is like 12%. Most of them are fringy kooks, but a surprising number are fringy kook libertarians, upset about the Patriot Act.

Yes, there are more Left than Right in the Denier Movement, but I would also not that almost no major liberal blog (except Bradblog) and no major liberal columnist has embraced this tinfoil hat stuff. Paul Craig Roberts, arguably a man of the Right and a regular contributor to VDare is a 9-11 kook.

So all the people, including my grandmother, who saw the plane hit the Pentagon are lying?

"So all the people, including my grandmother, who saw the plane hit the Pentagon are lying?
Posted by: The Listkeeper"

That's a rhetorical question. And to use dear ol' Granny in such a fashion is most unbecoming.
Is there Information included? Big plane? Little plane? Direct hit? Skid?

> Is this statistic real? Do we really have so many whack jobs in this country?

Yeah, it seems plausible to me. People love conspiracy theories. JFK, fake moon landing, Bermuda Triangle coverups and on and on and on. When I was a teenager I belived lots of crazy stuff. I learned better and outgrew it.

Now that I think about it, the really incredible thing is that so many people can be believers in such wacky nonsense and still be functional citizens!

BTW, does anybody know how I can get my paragraphs indented when posting on systems like this? I like about 3 spaces on the first line of each para for readability but they don't show up.

Pat Curley,

Update your "blog". Your worse than Steve of Norway. Laaaazy...

Arthur, I can read you, but I know:

I had a nice, neat table made out using [...]s to keep it aligned on the "Debate Wrap up" post here. Ended up looking like I was sh!t-faced. (I swear I wasn't!)(OK, I was, but I can still count [...]s!)

BD, you really are what I think you are. Structual engineers have stated how and why the twin towers failed. The Science Channel, the History channel and others have shown in detail how and why those building failed. Eye witnesses saw a plane hit the Pentagon, yet you, in your brilliant wisdom choose to believe that an American man whos family has served this nation well became President of the United States so he could attack his own country for the sole purpose of enabling him to attack Iraq. Seek help soon.

ZRIII,

Send money, will seek help. (wink wink)

signed, an "American man"(sic!!!)

*dancing with the stars*

Brian, obviously you did not read below the top post. We have about 5 posts daily and we are the top 9-11 debunking blog by a large margin.

bryabD[elusional]

2)3 skyscrapers collapsed. within hours of each other. If you can find another example of such a phenomenon (EVEN 1), let me know. I've requested links here before. No takers (and a poured concrete shopping mall doesn't count. marc!:o)

And why not? Why doesn't it count? Don't strain your brain lunkhead, it's already in a very stressful state.

And BTW - Update your "blog". Your worse than Steve of Norway. Laaaazy... - that makes you a liar of the first order. Not to mention so "Laaaazy" you didn't take the effort to verify what you assertd was true or not.

I seem to recall another statistic, that a large percentage of people believe Iraq was involved in 9/11, that the liberals like to toss around, especially when bashing Fox News...

And BryanD is proving not only dumber than a box of rocks, but denser. The last time he brought up his "Loose Brains" bull, people pointed out to him that 1) thermite doesn't explode, it burns; and 2) airliners are essentially big, hollow aluminum tubes, with the only real dense parts being the engines.

Someone should explain that to BryanD, and demonstrate it by crushing a beer can on his forehead. If he's still not convinced, repeat the demonstration with a full one.

J.

Pathetic people who believe this tripe of GW causing 9/11 have to deny quite a few things. First and foremost would be the first attempt in 1993. This denial takes me back to John Kennedy. People do not want to believe a lone nut job could ruin a whole country emotionally. The black community doesn't want to think that a lone nut job would kill Martin King. I think there was serious discussion in the far past that FDR let Pearl Harbor happen so we could get in the war. I think the people who think like that are too emotionally attached and are unable to view things objectively. BDS would be one cause. Hate is a powerful emotion. ww

Isn't this roughly the same percentage of Americans that approve of the job Bush is doing?

What a world!! What a world!

The plane didn't directly hit the Pentagon. The high velocity, burning debris hit the building.

Having worked as an engineer in industrial/chemical plants it comes as great surprise to me that we wasted all that expense fireproofing our steel structures. According to Rosie, P.E., we should have known better.

You want a conspiracy theory? Why did the New York or Trade Center officials let all those firemen stay in the building that long? It was well known to architects/engineers/firemarshalls BEFORE the planes hit that the building could only take an intense fire for an hour or so before major structural failures would occur. Don't you find it odd that nobody has interviewed a structural engineer for the WTC project and put that on the air? A few of them should still be around.

1) thermite doesn't explode, it burns_jay tea"

I never said thermite explodes. It does expell tell tale plumes of gas (no, not gasoline; "smoke" (minute 53, Loose Change)

"2) airliners are essentially big, hollow aluminum tubes, with the only real dense parts being the engines._jay tea"

Correct. Note that the pentagon hole was alleged to have been made by that "hollow tube". And there are no holes at all fot the 9 ton engines to have disappeared into at all.

"and demonstrate it by crushing a beer can on his forehead. If he's still not convinced, repeat the demonstration with a full one.-jay tea"

You must work with a lot of skirts.

"And why not? Why doesn't it count?_marc"

Then why not cite the collapsing K-Mart in a town near you? Because they're different structurally. One's earthquake-proof, the other can't withstand a good snowfall.

Pat Curley, I see. You are updated, in fact you're PRE-dated! (7/31/07 post)

This corresponds exactly to the percentage of hard core liberals, I bet.

Hey folks: Never try to wrestle with a pig. You end up covered in mud, and the pig enjoys it.

Now we know where the alien from Area 51 went. He has been posing as "bryanDumbnutjob" for all these years. LMAO (even ROTFLMAO)

It does expell tell tale plumes of gas (no, not gasoline; "smoke" (minute 53, Loose Change)

The operative question, BrianD (does the D stand for Dimwit?), is, are there any other substances that produce "smoke" when burning? And might some of those substances reasonably be found in an office that is currently in use?

Let's see... paper, wood, plastics of various types... hmmm...

If you're trying to look like an absolute idiot, Brian, you're succeeding brilliantly. How long does it take you to figure out which shoe goes on which foot every morning? 10 minutes? 20?

The 22% figure is roughly about the same percentage, of those Americans who don't know have any idea where Nebraska is, but a little less than the 31 % of Americans who don't know who their vice-president might be....Where have they been the last 6 years?
As for the 'Loose Change' film, I find that if the utterly reckless Operation Northwoods plan could be approved by the Joint Chiefs of Staff, to be extremely scary, but the film from then on, suffers by being loose with the facts. For a point by point, but sympathetic critique , this site is worth checking out.

I never said thermite explodes. It does expell tell tale plumes of gas (no, not gasoline; "smoke" (minute 53, Loose Change)

One problem, the only plausible use of thermite for demolition would be a cutting charge. A cutting charge would produce smoke for all of 15 seconds in quantities you'd be unlikely to see more than a dozen yards away.

Popular mechanics basically shredded all this nonsense a couple years ago.

Popular Mechanics

"One problem, the only plausible use of thermite for demolition would be a cutting charge. A cutting charge would produce smoke for all of 15 seconds in quantities you'd be unlikely to see more than a dozen yards away_taltos"

Check out the 53rd minute of LC. What you describe is what is shown. I saw the PM article when it came out in '05. The overhead design diagram didn't jibe with various other renderings (the center supports layout was omitted, as it was in the 9/11 Report). And in the rewrite/review you linked to, there's no schematics at all. Plus no mention of the roof supports-weakened-by-fire theory posited in the original. That was PM's cause and effect theory which was not sustainable and was quietly dropped, hence the rewrite instead of a reprinting. The lack of DETAIL in the new story is odd, too, for a magazine with "Mechanics" in the title.

Appreciate your points. Of course, the flapdoodlers are funnier.