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Obama Misstates Death Toll in Kansas

Barack Obama gave a speech yesterday in which he spoke about the tragic tornado in Greensburg, Kansas. During the speech he said that 10,000 people died in the tornado when the death toll so far is twelve.

RICHMOND, Va. - Barack Obama (news, bio, voting record), caught up in the fervor of a campaign speech Tuesday, drastically overstated the Kansas tornadoes death toll, saying 10,000 had died. The death toll was 12.


"In case you missed it, this week, there was a tragedy in Kansas. Ten thousand people died -- an entire town destroyed," the Democratic presidential candidate said in a speech to 500 people packed into a sweltering Richmond art studio for a fundraiser.

Obama mentioned the disaster in Greensburg, Kan., in saying he had been told by the office of Kansas Gov. Kathleen Sebelius that the state's National Guard had been depleted by its commitment to the
Iraq War.

"Turns out that the National Guard in Kansas only had 40 percent of its equipment and they are having to slow down the recovery process in Kansas," Obama said, his shirt sleeves rolled up and his head glistening with sweat.

As the Illinois senator concluded his remarks a few minutes later, he appeared to realize his gaffe.

"There are going to be times when I get tired," he said. "There are going to be times when I get weary. There are going to be times when I make mistakes."

Obama spokesman Bill Burton said later that the senator meant to say "at least 10," instead of 10,000.

Yikes. That's quite a misstatement. However, it's his assertion that the state of Kansas is ill equipped to handle a disaster like this was inaccurate. Even the governor has backed off her statement that she didn't have all the heavy equipment she needed because, it seems, she realized that such an admission makes her look stupid:

[Tony] Snow recounted a phone conversation on Tuesday between [Governor] Sebelius and Bush's White House-based homeland security adviser, Fran Townsend, in which the governor said she was pleased with the federal performance on the tornado and had everything she needed.


About the same time, Sebelius was doing her own backpedal from across the country.

Her spokeswoman, Nicole Corcoran, said the governor didn't mean to imply that the state was ill-equipped to deal with this storm. Sebelius' comments about National Guard equipment were, instead, meant as a warning about the state's inability to handle additional disasters, such as another tornado or severe flooding, she said.

"We are doing absolutely fine right now," Corcoran said. "What the governor is talking about is down the road."

You don't make the citizens of your state feel at all confident in your abilities to help lead them through a disaster like this one when your first instinct is to bash the President to gain political points. The folks who are suffering in Greensburg don't give a wit about politics. They just want help.

Update: Here's the video of Obama saying 10,000 people died in Kansas:


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Comments (66)

I listened to the Commander... (Below threshold)
Jfo:

I listened to the Commander of the Kansas National Guard on the radio yesterday. He forcefully pointed out that they were terribly short of equipment and the ability to train people because of the equipment. He also expressed his fear that if there were another natural disaster (this is the season for us in the midwest) Kansas would be unable to expect much help from neighboring states who are also woefully unequipped.

One would assume the commander of the Guard would have first hand knowledge. You don't have to bash Bush when the facts speak for themselves.

I didn't vote for President... (Below threshold)
pretzel_logic:

I didn't vote for President Bush to clean up after hurricanes, I sure didn't vote for him to clean up after tornadoes. The cities, counties and states have plenty of resources to get this done. Florida seems to pull it off every year without blaming the white house. Anyone who buys this political nonsense just does not pay attention.

Jfo , you might want to go ... (Below threshold)
Scrapiron:

Jfo , you might want to go back and re-listen to the the National Guard commander. Either you are hearing what you want to hear of the commander lies to suit the person he's talking to.
12% of the Kansas guard is deployed. They were offered equipment from McConnel AFB and other military units and needed none of it and none of the personnel.
I would suggest you call the country mental health department and make an appointment. The taxpayers will surely pay to help cure your BDS or it will progress to insanity.
The people born and reared in Kansas are an independent people and will take care of themselves and their neighbors. Spent a few years in the state and still know some people there. The blue state invaders always find fault where there is no fault. Ask Osama Obama where he buried the 9,988 people no one else know died.

jfo,I call BS on you... (Below threshold)
Jess:

jfo,
I call BS on your post. KAKE news has an excellent aggregate of video & audio available at their site, and about two minutes worth of viewing or listning puts to rest any and all claims of lack of support, men, or material.
Here's an idea - shut up and go donate to the citizens of Greensburg... one of whom already gave thanks to "everyone" (watch the videos)
J

PS - I don't post links - if you're too lazy to go to KAKE News, well...

It is Jfo or JAFO?... (Below threshold)
pretzel_logic:

It is Jfo or JAFO?

Her fiery rhetoric doesn't ... (Below threshold)
marc:

Her fiery rhetoric doesn't match her actions, out of the thousands of Guard at her disposal she's only called up 110 as of Monday.

In addition this is the Guard inventory on hand:

Kansas has 88 percent of its state Guard forces available, and 83,000 Guardsmen from neighboring states are also on the ready should the state request their assistance, Pentagon spokesman Bryan Whitman said Tuesday, citing National Guard Bureau statistics.

According to Whitman, the Kansas Guard have available 352 Humvees, 94 cargo trucks, 72 dump trucks, 62 five-ton trucks, 13 medium-haul trucks and trailers and 152 2 1/2-ton trucks, a surplus, he noted.

Just how much do you need for a town of 1600? All indications are a lot more than that... if you have acute BDS.

Nest, the socialist MSM wil... (Below threshold)
nikkolai:

Nest, the socialist MSM will be telling about the tornado victims resorting to canabalizism, mass murder and rape.....

How about those 800,000 dead innocent Iraqi civilians?

What is it with the lefties on death and lying? Some kind of obsession....

My wife's family is from Gr... (Below threshold)
Steve B:

My wife's family is from Greensburg, KS. I have spent many a happy hour talking to the good folks of Greensburg. It tears me up to see the state of the town today.

Many of those who lived in and around Greensburg are farmers, once the backbone of this nation. Almost all Kiowa county folk are good, Christian country people, and following their Lord, will forgive politicking city slickers like Obama, who try to turn tragedies like these to his political advantage by telling brazen lies.

Yes, we may forgive, but STILL MAKES ME MAD!

Certain kinds of loudmouthism, Heinlein remarked, should be considered criminal among decent people.

It was bad enough when DJ w... (Below threshold)

It was bad enough when DJ was doing it to me, but et tu, Kim?

(spike) There goes my 2:00 piece...

J.

What should be an embarassm... (Below threshold)
Jess:

What should be an embarassment to media is on display during the press conference... the first question is "lack of materials....blah, blah".
The Guard Commander replied, and I quote:
"We have every asset and type of asset we could want... If there were more storms, we might be stretched, but we have enough.... We arrived in a timely fashion.... if there were more storms, it could be a problem, but we could get more (muffled) from (list of bases)... (after prodding by reporter) "it could be problem, but it's not" (walks away from mic).

Yep. Sure sounds like complaints to me. Some may wish to have their hearing checked.

Source, KAKE broadcast of FEMA press conference Monday. It's easy to find & verify.

J

10,000 dead? Average gossip... (Below threshold)
Jeff Blogworthy:

10,000 dead? Average gossip mongers make these kinds of mistakes all the time. People have a prurient interest in sensationalism. However, one would expect more restraint and maturity from a potential leader of the free world.

Like Obama I misspoke - I s... (Below threshold)
JFO:

Like Obama I misspoke - I should have said Adjutant General of the Kansas Guard rather than Commander. However, the substance is the same and is accurate. The Kansas Guard, because of commitments to Iraq, is short of equipment in the event of another disaster and is behind in training because of the equipment shortage.

Unlike Jess, I'm not too lazy to post a link to support what I say.

http://www.npr.org/search.php?text=kansa+adjutant+general+national+guard

Jeff- funny you would criticize a politician's speaking error when we have perhaps the most verbally challenged president in our history. But he is good at winking and smirking. I'll give him that.

I finally figured out who t... (Below threshold)
Scrapiron:

I finally figured out who the 'not me' ghost that broke all the things in the house when the children were small are. Everytime something was broken and you ask who did it the answer was 'not me'. They have all grown up to be democrats and have no responsibility to go with the positions they hold as governors and members of congress. Everything that happens is someone else's fault and responsibility. They are the original 'not me' people, grown up in body but not in mind.
Why any state that has a democrat governor waste the money to pay them is a mystery. They aren't prepared to help the people and have to have federal help for even minor disasters. It's always someone (not me) else's fauly. Just do away with the governors office and use the money to pay a contractor to keep the state running. I've spent over 12 years in the fire rescue field and we have a county disaster plan and the state had a state plan at one time. Now that we have a democrat as governor I'll fear the first disaster. Funds for disaster management are probably in a bank (off shore) in some of the governors family names.

Obama, the moronic Dem Gove... (Below threshold)
Justrand:

Obama, the moronic Dem Governors of Louisiana and Kansas, Mayr Naggin and frankly most of the Democratic Party know they can peddle a HUGE number and an OUTRAGEOUS claim...and then wait for it to become VIRAL!

After it becomes VIRAL they can either "apologize" or Move-On. But the damage remains.

As I posted elsewhere, there are STILL people who will swear that "Over TEN THOUSAND people died during Katrina!!"

Why? Other than that they are morons (JFO...how many died in Katrina?), it is because the MSM/Dems planted that number in their pea-brains!!

If you're a democrap, disse... (Below threshold)
Mitchell:

If you're a democrap, dissemble, lie, misrepresent, and sit back and see if you'll be called on it.

It's their way.

jfo:"Jeff- funny y... (Below threshold)
Jeff Blogworthy:

jfo:

"Jeff- funny you would criticize a politician's speaking error when we have perhaps the most verbally challenged president in our history."

How short and selective your memory is. I guess it depends on what the meaning of "is" is.

Moreover, this is not a "speaking error" it is an error of fact.

Poor Barack... Just not th... (Below threshold)
P. Bunyan:

Poor Barack... Just not the sharpest tool in the shed.

When are the Democrats gonna learn from the grand master of mendacity? If you're gonna lie you need to do it in such vague way that what you say can't quite be disproven. For example:

"I smoked it, but I did not inhale."

or this classic:

"I did not have sex with that woman."

So Obama mis-spoke, no big ... (Below threshold)
89:

So Obama mis-spoke, no big deal. The big deal here is the "blame Bush" angle; I think this should have been the topic of the headline and the first story. The mis-speak is only worthy of a footnote. Just because the stupid-contingent of the "lefty" blogosphere would focus on this doesn't mean that Wizbang should do it too.

Jeff:Clinton lied,... (Below threshold)
JFO:

Jeff:

Clinton lied, Bush is just well, challenged.

Apparently you didn't read the entire first part of the post where the story says:

As the Illinois senator concluded his remarks a few minutes later, he appeared to realize his gaffe.

"There are going to be times when I get tired," he said. "There are going to be times when I get weary. There are going to be times when I make mistakes."


P.S. I responded to you in our other debate.

Peace

Wonder what the liberals re... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

Wonder what the liberals reaction would be if Bush has made the same gaffee. We know the double standard, but it is interesting to see it over and over again.

BTW, dem politicians seem to be quite INCOMPETENT. Every time a disaster hits, they are not able to take care of the state and must blame Bush. I don't hear much when disaster hits Missisipi and Florida.

Obama is simply another example of dems taking advantage of a disaster but going overboard.

eff:Clinton lied, ... (Below threshold)
pretzel_logic:

eff:

Clinton lied, Bush is just well, challenged.

Apparently you didn't read the entire first part of the post where the story says:

As the Illinois senator concluded his remarks a few minutes later, he appeared to realize his gaffe.

"There are going to be times when I get tired," he said. "There are going to be times when I get weary. There are going to be times when I make mistakes."


P.S. I responded to you in our other debate.

Peace
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Tired?? Tired?? from what?? Also--he's still my senator and I havent seen him in Chicago in years. Come to think of it, what has he done as a US Senator for our state at all, well that'll come out in the debates I guess. That is if he can stay awake long enough.

p.s. Isn't John McCain 70 yo or so?

It seems the only folks Whi... (Below threshold)
JFO:

It seems the only folks Whizzers are willing to forgive for gaffes are their own ilk. Exhibit A - skewer Obama for a misstatement of a number. Exhibit B - forgive Bush for starting a war he shouldn't have and that he has no clue how to end and that has killed untold thousands.

Makes sense I guess - well to a few true believers.

JFO,Two points:<br /... (Below threshold)
Jess:

JFO,
Two points:
1) NPR is simply repeating the same Gov. Sebelius soundbite over & over, and
2) the "Adjutant General" in the Kansas NG organization is a political animal, selected & appointed by the Governor. He is NOT the operational commander.

Sorry, but I'd rather trust the "boots on the ground" comments found at the aforementioned news source, and it's funny that NPR as of yesterday (Tues) was still playing what Sebelius has already seemingly disowned.

PS - I don't own or pay for this site, so I won't chew up bandwith with links. You, of course, may.

For those who won't listen to NPR, here are some quotes from the clip:
"We have enough to respond.. we're stretched thin, but it (Greensboro) is not a big town, so we can't overload the town with equipment right now... we are short of large dump truck carriers (but he conveniently leaves out that they are NOT needed in this case)... and some water supply trucks... it's difficult to keep trained when we don't have all of the equipment here (????)... other states could be called on to help, but what if they had problems?..."

Yep, sure sounds like he said they're having problems due to "the war"....

Worse that he blames fatigu... (Below threshold)
kim:

Worse that he blames fatigue. It's admitting that he can't judge when he is too tired to function. We keep people like that from around big red buttons, except the ones on their faces.

Karl loaned his mindray machine to Mark who used it on Obama and Kathleen, Hillary's nightmare '08 ticket.
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Steve B, Kathleen and Obama... (Below threshold)
kim:

Steve B, Kathleen and Obama wanted it to be ten thousand so they could further outline Bush's fecklessness. She said her National Guard was inadequate when it wasn't and it would have been had there been ten thousand dead. Tell your friends to call for her impeachment.
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That Obama would say ten th... (Below threshold)
kim:

That Obama would say ten thousand dead in a tornado simply means he's mind wasn't cross-checking stuff well enough to keep from saying something nearly everyone recognizes as stupid. We all do that, even if not tired. The one class who don't do it are adept public speakers.

I predict Obama will gavotte from gaffe to gaffe, never even needing the safety net provided by the MSM. The public will never be confronted with his awkwardness, as they were with Dan Quayle.

But wait'll Bill and Hillary sweep to the side that net under the Brave American Firefighter.
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Our state had a round of to... (Below threshold)
Steve L.:

Our state had a round of tornadoes a while back that caused about $1.5 million in damage. The Dems who run the state are still whining about the fact that FEMA turned down their requst for assistance. The cut-off for aid is around $3 million in losses. At the time, the legislature was sitting on an $800 million surplus. Instead of taking that money and helping our fellow citizens, our Dems paraded in front of the cameras every chance they got to talk about how unfairly they are being treated.

Exhibit B - forgive Bush fo... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

Exhibit B - forgive Bush for starting a war he shouldn't have and that he has no clue how to end and that has killed untold thousands.
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Typical liberal spin: Truman started a war (the cold war) he shouldn't have and had no clue how to end it. Yes, liberals cheered and aided the communists during the cold war that killed hundreds of millions people and billions enslaved!

Bush happened to free 50 millions people in Afghan and Iraq from the Taliban and Saddam. The liberals want to return these countries to the terrorists' hand so that they can blame Bush (even though they know that millions may be slaughtered - liberals have the hindsight of VN).

Obama's exaggeration and the manufactured national guard story is simply another example of the liberals seeking/manufacturing excuses to surrender to the terrorists. And JFO is proud to defend that propaganda here. Another member of Brian 's club.

From today's Kansas City St... (Below threshold)
JFO:

From today's Kansas City Star:

"I have said for nearly two years and will continue to say that we have a looming crisis on our hands when it comes to National Guard equipment in Iraq and our needs here at home."

About half the state's National Guard trucks are in Iraq, equipment that would be useful in clearing debris, she [the governor] said.

Maj. Gen. Tod Bunting, the state's adjutant general, said the Kansas National Guard's equipment had been reduced about one-third from prewar levels, which were already low.

Bunting said that the Guard had the resources to handle the Greensburg cleanup but that the initial response was slowed somewhat by equipment shortages. He added that those resources were being stretched to the limit in Greensburg.

Over the weekend, he said, Kansas officials had real concerns about the potential for more tornadoes and major flooding elsewhere.

"The reality is, we should be able to do two or three (disasters) at the same time," Bunting said. "Now we can do one and maybe one more small one. It just leaves you pretty tight."

As I've said before the right never lets the facts get in the way of ideology or protecting the incompetents.

LAI: If you think Truman "started" the cold war ( I'll be polite here) you need to learn some history.

"I have said for nearly two... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

"I have said for nearly two years and will continue to say that we have a looming crisis on our hands when it comes to National Guard equipment in Iraq and our needs here at home."
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Thanks for proving that this is simply another excuse to surrender to the terrorists in Iraq. I don't hear this when disasters hit Mississipi and Florida. Wonder how these two states handle it. Looks like only states that run by Dems have problems. Can we agree that Dem governors are incompetent.

JFO,
Who started the cold war? If Carter was in the office at the time, what would happen? Still it doesn't change the fact that the liberals were willing to aid the communists that killed hundreds of millions of people during the cold war. Have we seen liberals apologize for that? Are you so quick to forgive them? Now liberals know what would happen (maybe millions of people will be slaughtered) if we withdraw from Iraq prematurely. Yet liberals seem oblivious to that.

This is another excuse that liberals use to surrender to the terrorists in Iraq. Thanks for providing the proof.

As I've said before the rig... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

As I've said before the right never lets the facts get in the way of ideology or protecting the incompetents.
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Are you trying to do what you are condemning? Why are you defending the incompetent governor?

JFO,Moving goalposts... (Below threshold)
Jess:

JFO,
Moving goalposts now??
It's the same quote repeated over & over...
and the reality is that not one thing in Greensburg would be different had the KNG been at 50%, 80%, or 110%.
What the heck - why wouldn't they be prepared for 10 ~ 12 disasters? Two to three is NBD, but 4, and hey - you're in trouble!
J

PS - just for a bit o' fun, what was the operational status of the KNG (expressed as a % of enrollment & equip) in say, Summer 2001??
(hint, it was less than 100%...)

FWIW, since '03, there are more assets overall. Any decent percentage of 100 is a lot more than 100% of 10....

The dimmers got caught bad ... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

The dimmers got caught bad time politicizing this tragedy to score cheap political points. Curious how is always at the expense of the troops. In this case, the dimmers think they can't do their job. ww

> PS - just for a bit o' fu... (Below threshold)
89:

> PS - just for a bit o' fun, what was the operational status of the KNG (expressed as a % of enrollment & equip) in say, Summer 2001??

But, but. It's a peace dividend you know. We can take the money and instead of spending it on the evil national guard, we can spend it on kids and stuff.

JESS:Not moving th... (Below threshold)
JFO:

JESS:

Not moving the goal posts, just keeping the facts straight. If you folks think the National Guard has not been
severely affected by the war in Ira, well then your state of denial is deeper than i thought.

By the way i never stated that the federal government should have intervened here, just that the national guard is stretched thin as a result of Bush's Folly, i.e. Iraq.

LAI - the "who started" the cold war question is illy. Like it was a shooting war or something. The origins of the cold war go back all the way to WWI and perhaps even before. The "cold war" was a philosphical/political/economic/socio-economic combination of factors going back way before Truman. To say it was "started by Truman is an absurdity.

LAI - the "who started" the... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

LAI - the "who started" the cold war question is illy. Like it was a shooting war or something. The origins of the cold war go back all the way to WWI and perhaps even before. The "cold war" was a philosphical/political/economic/socio-economic combination of factors going back way before Truman. To say it was "started by Truman is an absurdity.
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JFO,
Looks like you don't seem to understand what you are talking here. "Cold war" went back to WW1? The cold war was a strategy designed specifically to contain the spread of communism (esp the Soviet Union) after WW2. This was a global war with various hot regional wars (like Korean, Vietnam, Afghanistan, Angola). Truman was the early architect of the Cold war and he stuck by the hot Korean war. You are simply denying reality.


By the way i never stated that the federal government should have intervened here, just that the national guard is stretched thin as a result of Bush's Folly, i.e. Iraq.
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Thanks for proving again that liberals are only interested in proclaiming the war is lost to surrender to the terrorists in Iraq.

Can you we honest enought to admit that the Dem gov here is incompetent? Or are you letting your ideology get into the facts and trying to defend the incompetent?


Obama just gave away his st... (Below threshold)
Langtry:

Obama just gave away his strategy: no matter how small, every disaster can be Katrina-fied!

/ "Emperor" Obama has no clothes

Given the level of "exagger... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

Given the level of "exaggeration" that the liberals are willing to do, can we say that the liberals are also trying this exaggeration technique wrt Iraq?

I finally figured out wh... (Below threshold)
mantis:

I finally figured out who the 'not me' ghost that broke all the things in the house when the children were small are. Everytime something was broken and you ask who did it the answer was 'not me'.

Scrappy shares more wisdom he has gleaned from Family Circus cartoons.

Thanks for the video link. ... (Below threshold)
DJ Drummond:

Thanks for the video link. I noticed the idiot standing behind Obama, nodding his head in agreement when Obama tossed off the 10k number.

Just swell ...

JFO may be a gold sponsor o... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

JFO may be a gold sponsor of Brian 's club

http://powerlineblog.com/archives/017587.php
Never let the facts stand in the way of politicizing a natural disaster

No wonder Obama doesn't rea... (Below threshold)
Jo:

No wonder Obama doesn't really want the press around him much. lol.

And JFO craches and burns again. Love it.

Obama spokesman Bill Burton... (Below threshold)
baslimthecripple:

Obama spokesman Bill Burton said later that the senator meant to say "at least 10," instead of 10,000.

What this incident says to me is that Obama is willing to haul "facts" out of his ass when pandering to the dem base. Which gives him a lot in common with fellow senator John Christmas-in- Cambodia Kerry or Bill Burning-Churches Clinton. It isn't that ig a deal, except that it shows that Obama is a stupid liar.

Oh brother. He misspoke, bi... (Below threshold)
89:

Oh brother. He misspoke, big whoop. Now can this discussion be about imcompetent state governators blaming Bush, please?

LAI:Your ignorance... (Below threshold)
JFO:

LAI:

Your ignorance about history is telling. Do you think it happens in a vacuum? I suppose you think WWII happened simply because we were attacked on Dec 7?

Before you spout off about one person "starting" the cold war you ought to go to your local high school and talk to a history teacher. It's tough when you can't see beyond your ideology.

And do you folks really believe Obama meant 10,000 when of course the entire world knows it was more like 10? Be honest now, maybe just once, be honest.

Your ignorance about histor... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

Your ignorance about history is telling. Do you think it happens in a vacuum? I suppose you think WWII happened simply because we were attacked on Dec 7?

Before you spout off about one person "starting" the cold war you ought to go to your local high school and talk to a history teacher. It's tough when you can't see beyond your ideology.
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JFO,
You really don't know what you are talking about and simply try to bluff. Cold War was a specific strategy designed to deal with the Soviet Union and the spread of communism after WW2. Harry Truman was an architect of the Cold War strategy and he deserved respect for that. You guys have to try to rewrite history to support your current indefensible position.

Before you try to divert attention, can we agree that the Dem gov is incompetent? I just want to check your own logic here.

What this really tells us i... (Below threshold)
pretzel_logic:

What this really tells us is there was a time when if you were going to criticize a president, you gave it some thought and were attempting to perhaps be constructive. At the very least there was respect for the office and you choose your words carefully while attempting to get your point across. These people, liberals in particular, spend so much of their time and effort into living the deranged Bush syndrome that they don't think anymore before opening their mouth. Anything that happens in this country to anyone at any time is his fault. It really has become all they can talk about and it has evolved to spewing hatred without consequence. It is their life really and rarely are they around anyone calling them on their non-sense.

I think that's what happened to the senator with 18 months experience.

Oh brother. He misspoke,... (Below threshold)
Les Nessman:

Oh brother. He misspoke, big whoop.

Eh, I dunno. If he said 10 or 100 or so, maybe. But ten thousand? That's more than just misspoke. That's in the realm of utter, blatant bullshit meant to sensationalize. It's insulting.

Eh, I dunno. If he said ... (Below threshold)
mantis:

Eh, I dunno. If he said 10 or 100 or so, maybe. But ten thousand? That's more than just misspoke. That's in the realm of utter, blatant bullshit meant to sensationalize. It's insulting.

So 100 is misspeaking and ten thousand is "blatant bullshit?" Have you considered that ten and ten thousand both start with the word ten, yet 100 or 1000 do not? Obama's not an idiot; he misspoke. There's no way he thought he could get away with inflating the death toll by an order of a thousand.

And do you folks really bel... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

And do you folks really believe Obama meant 10,000 when of course the entire world knows it was more like 10? Be honest now, maybe just once, be honest.
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Honestly is it worth bringing up 10 deaths in a disaster to dramatize it? That many people can be killed in a car accident.

Be honest now, maybe just o... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

Be honest now, maybe just once, be honest.
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Yes, please JFO. Can we agree that the Dem governor is competent and the liberals are trying to politicize a natural disaster here?

Further, does anyone else f... (Below threshold)
mantis:

Further, does anyone else find this kind of false gotcha! crap really childish? It was the same thing with the president's "insult" to the Queen by saying 1776 when he meant 1976. He misspoke!

I recommend that all the idiots who are so quick to claim insults and lies in such instances to go out, give a speech every day, and never once misstate a figure, say the wrong year, the wrong name, or pronounce a word incorrectly. Never. You're not allowed, and if you do you're a liar.

The criticism of Governor Sebelius, on the other hand, is justified. She's playing politics with human tragedy, and deserves the scorn she gets. Do try to keep your eye on the ball.

Still don't have an answer ... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

Still don't have an answer to this simple question. If you are a public speaker, honestly is it worth bringing up 10 deaths in a disaster to dramatize it?

So 100 is misspeaking an... (Below threshold)
_Mike_:

So 100 is misspeaking and ten thousand is "blatant bullshit?" Have you considered that ten and ten thousand both start with the word ten, yet 100 or 1000 do not? Obama's not an idiot; he misspoke. There's no way he thought he could get away with inflating the death toll by an order of a thousand.

I seriously doubt it was intentional. Obama was attempting to be overly dramatic to set the tone for his 'ebil Bush' screed and his subconscious got a little carried away. However, I believe it's apparent that he was sensationalizing the tragedy for political purposes.

Mike, YOua are righ... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

Mike,
YOua are right, at the very least, Obama is trying to sensationalize/politicize this natural disaster to bash Bush.

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"In case you missed it, this week, there was a tragedy in Kansas. Ten thousand people died -- an entire town destroyed," the Democratic presidential candidate said in a speech to 500 people packed into a sweltering Richmond art studio for a fundraiser.

Obama mentioned the disaster in Greensburg, Kan., in saying he had been told by the office of Kansas Gov. Kathleen Sebelius that the state's National Guard had been depleted by its commitment to the
Iraq War.

"Turns out that the National Guard in Kansas only had 40 percent of its equipment and they are having to slow down the recovery process in Kansas,"

So 100 is misspeaking an... (Below threshold)
Les Nessman:

So 100 is misspeaking and ten thousand is "blatant bullshit?"

Yes. Blatant bullshit of the worst kind, in fact. His spokesman later said Obama meant to say "at least ten", but Obama didn't slip up and say 'at least ten thousand', he said "ten thousand". A nice, round, scary number not even close to the real number (twelve).

Worst of all, he only mentioned it to seque into the now-debunked spin that Kansas doesn't have enough NG because of the Iraq War.

Standing on the bodies of the freshly dead so he could finger point and play political spin. That's bullshit of the worst kind.

Whatever your political affiliation, you have to admit that Obama was not acting very Presidential, at the least.

Reading the entirety of thi... (Below threshold)
Zelsdorf Ragshaft III:

Reading the entirety of this thread demostrates the willingness of those on the left to defend lies and liars against facts and truth. Obama lied, ten thousand hand not died. I'll bet the Republican candidate for Governor is just waiting to trot out this bit of film about lack of national guard to respond. This just proves that democrats are too stupid to learn from history.

While were on the subject--... (Below threshold)
pretzel_logic:
Have to agree with those sa... (Below threshold)
J.R.:

Have to agree with those saying that it's no big deal that Obama misspoke. Yes, he is still trying to score cheap political points by bringing up this tragedy, but he would by guilty of that even if he got the death toll correct.

And like mantis says above, the real story here is the despicable action or lack thereof by Kansas governor Sebelius and her manipulation of this disaster to get her name out there in the national media.

This is just a guess, but I... (Below threshold)

This is just a guess, but I don't believe it was a gaffe in the sense of simply misspeakiing. I would describe it more as a Freudian slip. Obama had N.O. on his mind when he was talking and really wanted this played up to the same level of claims of incompetence and finger pointing that were flying around after Katrina and the "ten thousand" figure just slipped right out.

But hey, I'm not too fond of the guy. He voted against Alito and Roberts. I can almost understand why a liberal wouldn't like Alito. But Roberts? That was just plain ol' party pandering; not principle. Obama is enjoying a free ride for now. He's no where near qualified enough to be President.

Yikes. That's quite a mi... (Below threshold)
James Cloninger:

Yikes. That's quite a misstatement. However, it's his assertion that the state of Kansas is ill equipped to handle a disaster like this was inaccurate. Even the governor has backed off her statement that she didn't have all the heavy equipment she needed because, it seems, she realized that such an admission makes her look stupid:

Oh, please, Xenia got about 75% of it's town wiped off the face of the earth in 1974, and they were able to rebuild the town in a matter of months. All without the governor whining about the lack of reservists, etc (we were in Vietnam during that time, or at least, scaling down).

Obama needs to realize that... (Below threshold)
kim:

Obama needs to realize that when he turns around for support from those standing behind him, that it is a nice rhetorical bit, but it might be when he is tired and wrong. They were nodding with him until he said ten thousand, then they went blank.

Dan Quayle had people nodding him onto the 'e' in potato. I know where that came from; isn't the plural formed by adding an 's' to potatoe?
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Dan Quayle had people no... (Below threshold)
mantis:

Dan Quayle had people nodding him onto the 'e' in potato. I know where that came from; isn't the plural formed by adding an 's' to potatoe?

No, the plural is formed by adding an 'es' to potato.

So, JFO, the NBC video of H... (Below threshold)
Jess:

So, JFO, the NBC video of Humvees on flatbeds (the two specific items mentioned in both the Gov's press conference & the NPR link you provided) is what... non factual??
Both assertions (your first post & the Kansas Governor's office) as to the depth & time of response are now fully exposed to be incorrect.
That is a fact.

Have a lovely day.

J

When mantis descends into l... (Below threshold)
kim:

When mantis descends into literality you know he is deliberately missing the point.

Dang, he's supposed to be fun.
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What does Richardson say ab... (Below threshold)
kim:

What does Richardson say about Dean and Durbin cycnically manipulating the press while people lay groaning under those wind tossed beams?
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