The first veto dropped his approval by about three points. Wonder what the second veto will do?

"With this latest veto threat, the president has once again chosen confrontation over cooperation," said House Speaker Nancy Pelosi.

It's unfortunate that the Democrats in the House have chosen to once again be confrontational rather than cooperative.

How many American Soldiers have the democrats in congress killed so far. 90% + of the deaths are a result of the cut and run encouragement of the terrorists by the democrats. You can scream and deny but everyone in the world that can read past the 4th grade level knows its true. Getting our own troops killed to satisfy the left wing radicals that should themselves be executed. Some ethics the democrats have.

Pelosi threat to sue Bush over Iraq bill

"House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) is threatening to take President Bush to court if he issues a signing statement as a way of sidestepping a carefully crafted compromise Iraq war spending bill."

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http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/pelosi-threat-to-sue-bush-over-iraq-bill-2007-05-08.html

Note, this piece is a good example of bias in reporting.

Bush "threatens".. ooo, he's mean.
Democrats remain "unbowed". wow, how virtuous of them.
And the House Democrats are "defying" the ebil BushCo!
And Gates gave the writer fodder with ""And we just don't have the agility".. another failing of the Bush Administration!

The first veto dropped his approval by about three points. Wonder what the second veto will do?

Gee, Paul, good question. Now I have one for you: How many popularity points does he have to lose before he's not President any more?

if Bush keeps this up, he'll veto himself right into withdrawal.

wouldn't that be ironic - trying to get his way for a blank check and instead running out the clock on the funding he's got. it's just up to the Dems to show some spine, quite a tall order itself.

Has Dem Sen. Tim Johnson returned to vote on these important issues or is he still in a coma?

For the record all check Adrian Browne's link to see who Pelosi is taking her marching orders from. If you're guessing the "American public" you're far off the mark.

The only ones missing are the DUmmies and they were probably be info'd on a super-duper secret memo that will be leaked by "Leakey Leahey" at a future date.

BTW, Paul Hamilton and sean nyc/aa can you two name a single war in the globes history that was waged based on "polling numbers?"

if congress goes to recess before they pass the bill, I hope they dont come back

Pelosi et al have the same problem they accuse the US Armed Forces of having:

They got into a war they don't have an "exit strategy" for.

If they drop the withdrawal demands now, the frothing-at-the-mouth types that control most of the funding for the Party of the Donkey will pull it.

If they keep pushing for surrender, the public will become more and more aware of what the Party of the Donkey really stands for, and that will likely hurt them at the voting booth next year (the only "poll" that really matters, Mr. Hamilton).

They're stuck between Scylla and Charybdis, and I, for one, am getting lots of enjoyment watching them squirm.

Considering Paul Hamilton's demostrated appeal of polls maybe he should take a peak at this section of one:

But while previous surveys show Americans are pessimistic about the outcome of the war, a majority of 55 percent said they were not yet willing to declare it "lost." The prevailing view, held by 63 percent of Americans polled in April, is that neither side is winning.

Does that place "bending like a reed in the wind" Reid on the wrong side of the issue compared to the American public?

So, The Chimp seeks to throw another 90 billion dollars down the drain, wanting U.S. taxpayers to fund his pet project, rather than have Iraq use its oil wealth to pay for the American surrogate police force. 90 billion dollars, huh??? Conservatives, wouldn't your beloved Jesus prefer that you strive instead to help the poor??? Well, what's your answer, dudes??? Cat got your tongue???

Well, let me give you some help here, so that you can better understand just what's going on:

"According to World Bank estimates, $54 billion a year would eliminate starvation and malnutrition globally by 2015, while $30 billion would provide a year of primary education for every child on earth."

"At the upper range of those estimates, the $456 billion cost of the war could have fed and educated the world's poor for five and a half years."

from
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/gallery/050207_TheCostofWar?pg=9 (interesting and amusing slideshow at this website offers additional possibilities for the use of $456 billion).

But you conservatives would rather use money to fund Bush's pet project than use that money to eliminate the poverty and malnutrition that are killing, what is it, 20,000 people a day? Please don't call yourselves Christians, conservatives, you're no followers of Christ, and, frankly, I can do without your hypocrisy.

They got into a war they don't have an "exit strategy" for.

Yea, sure, it was Pelosi who dreamed up the invasion! Her and Reid and Michael Moore all plotted the invasion of Iraq, mmmhmm. Oh and dont forget Geroge Soros too, he controls the Democratic party, at least that is what Dildo O Reilly says every night.

You guys are so dishonest it's hysterical. Talk about delusional projection.

Don't worry, the GOP is ready to throw Bush over the side of the cliff come fall. Since he doesn't give a shit about what damage he is doing to his own party, they at least want to retain their seats in Congress.

the GOP is ready to throw Bush over the side of the cliff come fall

Yeah, you're right... no matter what, he won't be the GOP's Presidential Candidate next election!

Man, you are absolutely clueless.

And the fact that you think the "war" I was speaking of that Pelosi has gotten herself into was the one in Iraq just highlights that. I was referring, of course, to the war of words over the Donkey Party wanting to surrender and Bush not letting them get away with it.

I was referring, of course, to the war of words over the Donkey Party wanting to surrender and Bush not letting them get away with it.

Most Americans disagree with President Bush's decision last week to veto the war funding bill that contained a timetable for withdrawal from Iraq.... 57 percent want Congress to pass another bill with funding and timetables.

Darn that Bush! Never letting the American citizenry get away with anything!

Herman:

Well, let me give you some help here, so that you can better understand just what's going on:

Someone needs help... maybe it's you Herman.

Take a gander at this chart. By my rough estimate U.S. aid has totaled 226 billion dollars in the last decade.

What good has it done? The world still has poverty, the uneducated and breeding grounds for terrorists.

Brian simply cannot stop spinning. That 's his specialty. From Brian 's own source. Even with the way liberals do push-polling (is CNN another terrorist cheering, oh Saddam-kissing, liberal news source?), it still doesn't say it all. Liberals hide behind polls. No wonder 22% is no longer a liberal hero. Clinton and Carter are their heros. What a corrupt party.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/05/08/schneider.iraq.poll/index.html

• A majority, 60 percent, oppose cutting off funds to end Iraq war
• Nearly two-thirds oppose war, but most do not believe the war in Iraq is "lost"

Correction
No wonder 22% is no longer a liberal hero
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No wonder 22% Truman is no longer a liberal hero

Brian simply cannot stop spinning. That 's his specialty.

Yeah, posting links to facts... I can see how that would overwhelm and confuse you.

A majority, 60 percent, oppose cutting off funds to end Iraq war

So do a majority of Dems in Congress. That's why the proposed bills don't do that.

Nearly two-thirds oppose war, but most do not believe the war in Iraq is "lost"

But you leave out, "The prevailing view, held by 63 percent of Americans polled in April, is that neither side is winning." Wow, that's so much better, an endless war in which neither side is winning. "Of those polled, 34 percent said they support the war, while 65 percent expressed opposition."

Clearly the public is against you. But you just go on pulling out the one or two numbers you can find in every poll that make you feel better. And then accuse me of spinning! You put "Love America" in your name, but you hate all that America now desires. But heck, at least you're entertaining!

So, Brian, if the American people are so in favor of pulling out, why don't the Dems just pass a bill of surrender?

Let him veto the bill. Let him veto all the spending bills.

Gee, Paul, good question. Now I have one for you: How many popularity points does he have to lose before he's not President any more?

Can he do a 2d10 save roll?

The first veto dropped his approval by about three points. Wonder what the second veto will do?

Make God cry?
Kill a puppy?
Give John Kerry a brain?
Give Pelosi a Grand Mal seizure?
Cause the Democrats to send the same bill again for a third veto?

What is that oft-quoted remark about insanity:
"Doing the same thing over and over again expecting a different result"

So, The Chimp...

Yep, I started reading that post, and twice at the exact same point I lost interest in whatever you had to say.

if Bush keeps this up, he'll veto himself right into withdrawal.
wouldn't that be ironic - trying to get his way for a blank check and instead running out the clock on the funding he's got. it's just up to the Dems to show some spine, quite a tall order itself.

Yeah, sure...this early before the election? If somehow magically Iraq become Nirvana because of that, the public will think it's old hat...lost a talking point. If Iraq instead becomes the new Khmir Rouge...no, they are going to string it out.

If they really had spine, they would impliment Hilarity!s move to de-authorise it entirely, and then override the veto (assuming they can convince enough weak-kneed Republicans into overriding it.

So, what's Congress' approval rating lately?
http://www.pollingreport.com/CongJob.htm

So, what happens if the approvals slip below 30? Do they have to resign?

So, Brian, if the American people are so in favor of pulling out, why don't the Dems just pass a bill of surrender?

They're trying to. Bush keeps vetoing it.

Here's one for you, equally inane... if you and Bush are in favor of victory, why don't you just achieve it?

They're trying to. Bush keeps vetoing it.

No, not a vague "timetable" bill.

I am talking about a bill that simply orders the troops to be withdrawn beginning the day after it is signed.

After all, if the war is already lost, then leaving the troops there even one day longer is itself immoral. So by proposing timelines to leave them there, the Dems are themselves being immoral.

So, let's see the Dems pass a bill saying withdraw right now.

I ain't holding my breath.

Here's one for you, equally inane... if you and Bush are in favor of victory, why don't you just achieve it?

You're right, that's very inane. Victory is controlled by factors outside of the US's control. Not so the bill I mentioned above, because I never said they had to get Bush to sign it, just that the Dems in Congress had to pass it... that's clearly within the Democrats' powers now, since they're the majority.

I am talking about a bill that simply orders the troops to be withdrawn beginning the day after it is signed.

Are you kidding me? Because that would be incredibly stupid. Hence, no one serious has suggested anything close to that. I guess it makes a nice talking point for you, though.

that's clearly within the Democrats' powers now, since they're the majority.

And it's within Bush's power to reinstate the draft, or to nuke Iraq and be done with it, or any number of other stupid actions. You seem to want o focus on the absurd extremes that no one serious advocates so you can paint them as absurd, rather than address the more measured proposals on their actual merits. But that's OK if you don't want to pay attention. The American people are doing it for you.

And it's within Bush's power to reinstate the draft

No, it's not. That would require an act of Congress.

By the way, you realize that if the war is immoral, then Democrats are immoral for letting it go on one day longer than necessary. To quote a former Democratic candidate for President, "How do you ask a man to be the last man to die for a mistake?"