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Conventional Wisdom Wrong Again

Be sure to read this editorial in the Examiner today. Here is an excerpt.

Amazing, isn't it, how the conventional wisdom that holds sway among many sophisticated -- i.e. liberal -- Washingtonians and New Yorkers is often so completely divorced from reality.

These folks have come to take it as a given that America's involvement in Iraq has inflicted severe damage to our nation's image abroad, especially in Europe. But the most recent national election results from France and Germany demonstrate that this "truth" about George W. Bush's America is about as credible as the recurring rumor that Elvis is actually alive and well flipping hamburgers in happy obscurity somewhere near Seattle.

Exhibit A here is France's Nicolas Sarkozy, who is described by the editors of the old gray lady on West 43rd Street in Manhattan as "unabashedly pro-American."


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Comments (23)

Praise be to Allah for Ahma... (Below threshold)
kim:

Praise be to Allah for Ahmadinejad.
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Everyone's just envious, bu... (Below threshold)
kim:

Everyone's just envious, but when there is real trouble, everyone looks to the real civil authority; the United States and a variable coalition of the functioning democracies.

We are the only ones CAPABLE of handling big trouble.
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Of course France and German... (Below threshold)
Adrian Browne:

Of course France and Germany are "pro-American" -- it's kinda like me being "pro-sister" when my my sister had cancer. I hoped her cancer was completely eradicated so that she could get well and MOVE ON with her life (she's fine now).

We've always had a bad rap.... (Below threshold)
jpm100:

We've always had a bad rap. Iraq just commonized it and the Media decided to expose us to it in larger amounts because it helped their case against Iraq.

Of course France and Ger... (Below threshold)
cirby:

Of course France and Germany are "pro-American" -- it's kinda like me being "pro-sister" when my my sister had cancer.

Yeah, but sooner or later, we'll get over that bad case of Democrats.

Yeah, but sooner or late... (Below threshold)
_Mike_:

Yeah, but sooner or later, we'll get over that bad case of Democrats.

Yes, but only if the chemo is started soon; otherwise, the problem becomes systemic.

We can only hope and pray C... (Below threshold)
P. Bunyan:

We can only hope and pray Cirby.

Actually, I don't think the Democrats are so much the problem, it's the far, far leftists like Adrian who are a cancer within the party.

Citing a crap editorial fro... (Below threshold)
Wieder:

Citing a crap editorial from the SF Examiner hardly proves the point that you want desperately to make, Lorie. For one thing, even tho France and Germany have had "right-wing" electoral victories in recent years, no major European political party is more than slightly to the right of the US Democratic Party. The European equivalent of Republicans just doesn't exist as a major party in any of the industrialized nations West.

Recent polls from European countries & Canada have found that a significant majority see Bush &/or the US as a grave threat to world peace.


Try perusing the foreign press w/ this link.

For a more specific reference to the election of Sarkozy, check this from the French media.

Your Examiner editorial is just pissing in the wind. You would have a hard time finding any link between recent German and French elections as a reflection of a European desire to be more like us.

Maybe not, though they just... (Below threshold)
kim:

Maybe not, though they just look envious to me, Wieder. However, they are happy to be less like Iran.
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Wieder, you've been reading... (Below threshold)
kim:

Wieder, you've been reading too much of the craven MSM who allow themselves to be manipulated by the likes of Dean, Durbin, and Sebelius. You useful idiot.
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France is just another fail... (Below threshold)
Scrapiron:

France is just another failure in Socialism. That won't satisfy the democrats. Socialism and Communism have only failed hundreds of times because the 'current democrats' weren't in charge. They would accept Nazism with open arms if it would justify their 'BDS' nightmares. At least we now know that misuse of drugs including pot leads to Paranoia so we can treat what is wrong with 90% of the democrats. The other 10% have always been insane and need the drugs to funcion on the kindergarden level in congress and other elected positions.
BDS in congress may result in a good thing. If they succeed in blaming the presidents office for firing a few worthless attorneys then a new process will be set in motion. No one hired/appointed by the current president can be fired or replaced by a new president. Job security for Rove provided by the dhimmi's in congress. Ain't that a hoot?

Lorie,"America", i... (Below threshold)
bryanD:

Lorie,

"America", if considered at all in Europe, is just for small talk over long lunches while putting back wine or bier before resuming their final three hours of work for the day.

Of course, Iraq is a disaster, so the essentially PRO-American Europeans will chock our folly up to our being politically seduced by powerful Families. They don't watch much TV, and don't buy into ad agencies' versions of the world.

To the European it's: W, son of HW of the CIA, joined the former Stern and Irgun right wing of Israel in its plan to defeat the Muslim world. A longshot that failed.

Every nation on the continent has had similar episodes. The medieval wheel of fortune.

These entries declaring France is Cool Again? France and Europe have always been cool. You've just been upset.

D'ja ever notice how "conve... (Below threshold)
P. Bunyan:

D'ja ever notice how "conventional wisdom" and "urban myth" have become synonymous as of late?

Oh my God. I almost actual... (Below threshold)

Oh my God. I almost actually responded to Wieder.

lol... (Below threshold)
Heralder:

lol

And Westboro Bryan forgot h... (Below threshold)
SCSIwuzzy:

And Westboro Bryan forgot his foil enriched pith helmet today.
It all comes back to the Joooos.

Wieder:Citing ... (Below threshold)
marc:

Wieder:

Citing a crap editorial from the SF Examiner hardly proves the point that you want desperately to make, Lorie.

WOW... who'd a thunk it? SF Examiner printed on the East coast!

Of course its not. And because you claim it has printed a "crap editorial" one must ask... how did you "read" it and NOT notice it wasn't the SF Examiner at all but the Examiner out of D.C.

The fact that you have "hardly proves the point that you want desperately to make." (to use your phrase)

Why sure, bD, some have bee... (Below threshold)
kim:

Why sure, bD, some have been upset; but Europe is cool and skeert. It has ghettoes into which it is scary to go, which used to be so forty years ago here, but ain't so any mo.
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You have to step carefully ... (Below threshold)
kim:

You have to step carefully around Wieder. You can tell he's a chained beast by the piles of poop everywhere within its reach.
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Yea, Lorie, and how about y... (Below threshold)
Wieder:

Yea, Lorie, and how about your conventional BS about Diyala province yesterday as representing how things have turned in Diysala.

Did you see the report from Maj. Gen. Mixon on how badly things are going there?

Do you ever tire of being a propaganda hack for the kook Republican fringe serving up a dish of BS only to be undone again by the turn of events in 24 hours?

If I had your pathetic record as a commentator on current events, I'd disappear and cease making an ass of myself on a daily basis.

Wieder:If I ha... (Below threshold)
marc:

Wieder:

If I had your pathetic record as a commentator on current events, I'd disappear and cease making an ass of myself on a daily basis.

And if I had your "pathetic record" of labeling a "SF Examiner" editorial as "crap" that very obviously wasn't read I would have his in shame.

Yet you not only return to the scene of the crime but post something that is of topic.

pathetic

no major European politi... (Below threshold)

no major European political party is more than slightly to the right of the US Democratic Party. The European equivalent of Republicans just doesn't exist as a major party in any of the industrialized nations West.

Against my better judgment, I am gonna take this one on.

Let's look at the platform Sarkozy ran on, and compare it to the platforms of the current Democratic candidates:

The BBC (a major European news agency) reports:

His economic programme includes incentives to encourage overtime - summed up by his slogan "work more to earn more" - as well as deep tax cuts.

Hmmm... no Dems currently talking about actually working, much less "deep tax cuts."

Mr Sarkozy is tough on crime and illegal immigration, and has promised to create a controversial new "ministry for immigration and national identity".

Tough on illegal immigration? Which Democratic candidate is talking like that? I can't think of any.

He has also pledged to take on restive state workers by instituting a "minimum service" for transport during strikes, and by not replacing half the workers retiring from public service.

In other words, he's taking on the state workers' union. Any Democrats talking about doing this here?

Anyone?

Didn't think so.

In fact, Sarkozy's platform appears very similar to that of a previous Republican President, by name of Ronald Reagan. He didn't do much on immigration, it's true, but he did slash taxes and take on a large public employee union, the air traffic controllers. Two out of three ain't bad.

Bush basically took on the ... (Below threshold)
kim:

Bush basically took on the NEA.
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