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The Consequences of Leaving Iraq Too Soon

Al Qaeda is planning to set up an extremist Islamic state in Iraq once our troops withdraw. And the Democrats don't seem to care a bit because they still want our troops to retreat regardless. From the Times Online:

A RADICAL plan by Al-Qaeda to take over the Sunni heartland of Iraq and turn it into a militant Islamic state once American troops have withdrawn is causing alarm among US intelligence officials.


A power struggle has emerged between the self-styled Islamic State of Iraq, an organisation with ambitions to become a state which has been set up by Al-Qaeda, and more moderate Sunni groups. They are battling for the long-term control of central and western areas which they believe could break away from Kurdish and Shi'ite-dominated provinces once the coalition forces depart.

According to an analysis compiled by US intelligence agencies, the Islamic State has ambitions to create a terrorist enclave in the Iraqi provinces of Baghdad, Anbar, Diyala, Salah al-Din, Nineveh and parts of Babil.

"Al-Qaeda are on the way to establish their first stronghold in the Middle East," warned an American official. "If they succeed, it will be a catastrophe and an imminent danger to Saudi Arabia and Jordan."

The US conviction that the Islamic State could seize power is based on its use of classic Al-Qaeda tactics and its adoption last October of a draft constitution. This was entitled Notifying Mankind of the Birth of the Islamic State and was posted on a website based in Britain. The group named 10 ministers under its emir, Abu Amer Al-Baghdadi. They included a war minister, Abu Hamza Al-Muhajer who is also known as Abu Ayub al-Masri and is Al-Qaeda's commander in Iraq.

The Democrats and other anti-war leftists refuse to believe that al Qaeda will follow us over here to attack us again if we leave Iraq too soon. We weren't in Iraq or Afghanistan on 9/11 but al Qaeda attacked us anyway. So what makes the Democrats think that al Qaeda will suddenly be happy and content with taking over Iraq and leave us alone when that's never been their MO before?


Comments (33)

al-Qaeda continues to get t... (Below threshold)
kim:

al-Qaeda continues to get the cold shoulder within Iraq. The Sunni Arabs are turning on them, just as the Shia landscape undergoes an earthquake with the Badr Brigades going with Sistani. Sistani is opposed to al-Qaeda, but not the religious Sunni tribesmen.
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The Democrats don't care ei... (Below threshold)
jpm100:

The Democrats don't care either way.

They believe their actions will give them the Presidency. This will allow them to make at least 2 updates to aging liberal members of the Supreme Court. And who knows, maybe a few more beyond that.

The liberal dems seem to wa... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

The liberal dems seem to want to improve their record in the history book. The 3-5M deaths in Indochina when they abandoned VN may be substantially increased this time and may not be simply contained in the ME. Yet they don't even have a hint of shame when they cry about genocide.

"KP:We weren't in Iraq or A... (Below threshold)
bryanD:

"KP:We weren't in Iraq or Afghanistan on 9/11 but al Qaeda attacked us anyway."

OBL ordered the USA out of SAUDI ARABIA.

And, gosh darnit, Bush pulled us out!

So much for "not dealing with terrorists".

Like Justin Raimondo says, Post-9/11 is Bizarro World!

OBL ordered the USA out of ... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

OBL ordered the USA out of SAUDI ARABIA.
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This is a spin and a stupid one at that. The liberals and libertarian of your ilk have been carping that why we stationed our troops in a Muslim country where our women cannot go out of the base etc... Now one of the dividend of the war in Iraq was that we can close our airbases there.

bryant, you are a member of the Brian 's club now. AlQ got their wish in Saudi Arabia, why would they bother to fight in Iraq and try to build their base in Iraq? Why don't Bin Laden go back to Saudi Arabia since Bush granted his wish?

This is so stupid a spin. It is beyond parody.

The democrats will deny res... (Below threshold)
Zelsdorf Ragshaft III:

The democrats will deny responsiblity for anything negative that happens. Unfortunately for them, there is other widely used sources for news information that will not allow them to duck. When the shit hits the fan, it will be mostly donkey shit. No democrat can beat Romney.

My brother was against our ... (Below threshold)
JLawson:

My brother was against our staying in Iraq any longer. He's not much into geopolitics, tends to get his opinions from CBS. I think I finally got through to him why we needed to stay.

He used to live in LA. I asked him if he remembered the gang problems they have. He said sure, even now he sees the occasional article, living in Washington.

"Okay - what do you think would happen if the police withdrew?"

"That's easy. The gangs would take over and really make a mess of... oh. You're saying we're the police over there?"

"For now. The Iraqi people are learning how to set up police on their own, but it's kind of slow. They're getting the job done, though. They don't like the gangs that would love to see us leave so they could take over. We pull out, and it all goes to hell. You remember Viet Nam?" (He's about 60, did two tours in the Navy in the '60s.)

"Yeah..."

"Remember what happened when we left?"

"Yeah."

"Think we can stand to pull back and let it happen again?"

"No."

Might not have convinced him, but it gave him something to think about...

The liberal dems seem to... (Below threshold)
jim:

The liberal dems seem to want to improve their record in the history book. The 3-5M deaths in Indochina when they abandoned VN may be substantially increased this time and may not be simply contained in the ME.

Sorry - which President pulled out of Viet Nam? Didn't his name rhyme with "Nixon"?

JLawson, you might add to y... (Below threshold)
jim:

JLawson, you might add to your metaphor how the LA gang trouble would have worked out, if *IRAQ* invaded Los Angeles, disbanded the LAPD and tried to make a government from the Crips.

Would the Crips and the Bloods just relax and let Iraq take over? Would the Bloods sit by and watch the Crips get power over the whole city?

I imagine things would stay and only get worse as long as Iraq had troops in LA - because as much as the Crips and the Bloods hate each other, they're both American, and they would probably hate invaders more. It might even be the only thing they agree on - with the rest of LA's citizens agreeing with them.

Well, substitute Shiites for Crips and Sunnis for Bloods, and you have a more accurate metaphor for the mess Bush landed us in.

No matter how many times Al... (Below threshold)
Peter F.:

No matter how many times Al Qaeda (or Al Qaeda in Iraq) says, "Hey, we'll take over this motherf***ing country, commit some genocide, control the oil and the whole shebang..." Democrats and Leftists insist things well be hunky dorey if only we'd leave...

In the immortal words of Dr. Evil (since all Republicans ARE in fact evil by nature and definition): "How about no....you crazy Dutch bastards..."

jim, you are naive to think... (Below threshold)
kim:

jim, you are naive to think you are convincing anyone by blaming Nixon for the holocaust in Southeast Asia after we left.
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jim:Sorry - wh... (Below threshold)
marc:

jim:

Sorry - which President pulled out of Viet Nam? Didn't his name rhyme with "Nixon"?

As a result of what jimbo?

Despite your selective memory of history, or willful ignorance of it, Nixon pulled out under the same type of political pressure you see now.

That pressure was led by younger versions of kerry and fonda, that generations cindy sheehags and various and sundry communist sympathizers.

Proof that in the world of moonbats the more things change the more things stay the same.

Nixon cut our troop levels ... (Below threshold)

Nixon cut our troop levels in Nam way back because Congress forced him to (I came home three months early as a result and tend to remember things like that) but that wasn't what triggered the mass slaughter. That happened because the Dem-majority Congress elected in Nov '74 (after Nixon resigned that summer) cut off logistical support to South Viet Nam. It's hard to fight a war without fuel and ammunition.

"So what makes the Democ... (Below threshold)
Rob LA Ca.:

"So what makes the Democrats think that al Qaeda will suddenly be happy and content with taking over Iraq and leave us alone when that's never been their MO before??"

Democrats think? Obviously that is a myth. The democrats are incapable of rational thought , they only react and attack. The first instinct of the primitive liberal diseased brain is to lie and get teary eyed . Share that lie with others in their klan and like a broken record , repeat and weep , repeat and weep.

Just look at their plastic Speaker Blinky , with that deceitful fake smile permanently botoxed onto her face. All that and she's the reigning "Queen of Hypocracy" to boot. It's that same diseased brain that has them believe they speak for the Majority of Americans even when their bogus polls contradict them.

Jim , where the hell hav... (Below threshold)
Rob LA Ca.:

Jim , where the hell have you been? What the hell do you thing the felons are taught in Prison. Ever see how them dumb gangsters hold their gun? That's even if you can get them to put down the blunt long fast enough from getting their heads chopped off. Besides brotha's be lovin the thought of havin they ** I mean lady all fearing for her life if she tries to go there.

"He used to live in LA. I asked him if he remembered the gang problems they have. He said sure, even now he sees the occasional article, living in Washington."


JLawson, the gangs still do run LA. Did ya see LA Mayor Villa-Reconquista walking along side The Governator near Griffith Park? He was dressed like a pinche cholo and walkin like he was all hard. Ex-gangbanger my ass , he's nothing but a Criminal LOP who is going to run for Gov and then President, guaranteed. That's if he can keep from getting busted or making a fool of himself.

I see most of whizzer crazi... (Below threshold)
JFO:

I see most of whizzer crazies have been allowed out in the yard for exercise today.

Nixon slaughtered all those... (Below threshold)
kim:

Nixon slaughtered all those Cambodians. Crazee!
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Hello $8 a gallon gasoline!... (Below threshold)
drjohn:

Hello $8 a gallon gasoline!

What's 5 million deaths if ... (Below threshold)
John S:

What's 5 million deaths if it gains the Dems 10 seats in Congress? They've already slaughtered 50 million babies in the U.S. for votes.

Maybe the Dems should consider this: if Al-Qaeda seized central Iraq, and are able to destabilize the Saudi monarchy, they will control over 50% of the world's known oil reserves. Try counting your votes Neville Nancy when a gallon of gasoline costs $50.

I hope you Blue Staters enjoy your 6 years of Democratic government. (I can afford $50 gasoline, can you?)

Nixon cut our troop leve... (Below threshold)
drjohn:

Nixon cut our troop levels in Nam way back because Congress forced him to (I came home three months early as a result and tend to remember things like that) but that wasn't what triggered the mass slaughter. That happened because the Dem-majority Congress elected in Nov '74 (after Nixon resigned that summer) cut off logistical support to South Viet Nam. It's hard to fight a war without fuel and ammunition.


So it's the same for Cambodia and Laos and those killing fields?

Nixon?

What are all you courageous... (Below threshold)
civil behavior:

What are all you courageous hucksters so afraid of? You are constantly barking about the Dems being unable to stand against terror and yet you are the ones constantly preaching about how afraid we need to be.

What are you so afraid of? I thought you were the big boys on the block.

You think that because we are in the Middle East that is keeping us protected from Al Queda? How stupid can you be. The events in Iraq aren't going to deter Al Queda from attacking America. America is even more vulnerbale now. They are slow, methodical, patient and determined and the fleeting events in Iraq keeping us occupied is a diversionary tactic while they plan the next big one. Even a chimp ahould know that.

So for all you wussies out there who are so afraid of what might happen if we withdraw from Iraq I say stop being so afraid. Why are you afraid, we've brought it on ourselves. What do you expect for invading a foreign country? Really what do you expect?

Your fear is not mine. I know what to expect and I am not afraid. I want my goverenment to change their foreign policy that extricates us from being an empire. Once that happens you won't have to be afraid anymore.


P.S. TO JOHN SYou ... (Below threshold)
civil behavior:

P.S. TO JOHN S

You won't be tooting that SUV horn at $50 a gallon when in fact you only get a voucher for 15 miles a week? Your money will be worth nothing unless of course you are willing to participate in the black moarket of gasoline vouchers. Does the family value mantra allow you to do that?

I'll be laughing when I pass your Hummer after it's gone its two whole miles on your voucher. All the way to "my green" bank. hahahahahaha

So then who'll rap the knuc... (Below threshold)
kim:

So then who'll rap the knuckles of the terrorists in your safe little classroom, cb?
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The Democrats and other ... (Below threshold)
Brian:

The Democrats and other anti-war leftists refuse to believe that al Qaeda will follow us over here to attack us again if we leave Iraq too soon. We weren't in Iraq or Afghanistan on 9/11 but al Qaeda attacked us anyway. So what makes the Democrats think that al Qaeda will suddenly be happy and content with taking over Iraq and leave us alone when that's never been their MO before?

Wow, now that's a real collection of disjointed and contradictory statements, right there.

Tell us, Kim. What makes the Republicans think that AQ isn't attacking us at home because we have troops in Iraq, when that's never been their MO before? What makes the Republicans think that AQ is waiting for us to withdraw troops before attacking us, when that's never been their MO before?

Admit it. You guys just keep making sh*t up.

Sorry - which President pul... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

Sorry - which President pulled out of Viet Nam? Didn't his name rhyme with "Nixon"?
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Jim,
YOu can't duck responsibility. Nixon was the one who turned over the fighting to the South Vietnames. The dems were the one who cut off the aid to South Vietnam. The blood of 3-5M death in Indochina are on the hand of the liberals and dems. Let 's be honest about it. The liberal dems simply wanted American defeat in VN as they do in Iraq now.
Jim, who gave aid and comforter to the Vietnamese communists during the war? (liberals like Jane Fonda and John Kerry).

Tell us, Kim. What makes th... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

Tell us, Kim. What makes the Republicans think that AQ isn't attacking us at home because we have troops in Iraq, when that's never been their MO before? What makes the Republicans think that AQ is waiting for us to withdraw troops before attacking us, when that's never been their MO before?
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Brian is here spinning from the liberal sew*ge again. AlQ is always want to attack us no matter what. But we are at lease keep them busy over there in Iraq so they would have less time to plot and attack us over here. It doesn't take much brain to see that. The liberals simply want American defeat because they have stood on the wrong side of history again and they think this will give them political power. They care less about the consequences. If AlQ is not busy fighting us in Iraq, they would have more time on their hands. Do you think you will try to build a hospital somewhere? What a dishonest spin (and dumb too)

The Democrats and ... (Below threshold)
Publicus:
The Democrats and other anti-war leftists refuse to believe that al Qaeda will follow us over here to attack us again if we leave Iraq too soon.

We refuse to believe the non-sense equation: IF we stay, they won't come here; if we leave, they will come here. Our occupation isn't preventing them. There's not a shred of evidence that it does. (Yeah, we haven't had a major domestic attack lately; we haven't been overrun by elephant either. Our occupation if Iraq must be preventing that, too.)

They WILL come here when and if they chose to. And there's plenty of terrorist enemies we essentially created by occupying Iraq...they might come here too.

And there's plenty of terro... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

And there's plenty of terrorist enemies we essentially created by occupying Iraq...they might come here too.
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And you can believe this non-sense. Using your logic, it is best not to fight them so that we won't create any more terrorists.

I wonder why AlQ make Iraq the central front and not the US now? Using your logic, what would they do when they don't have to fight our military in Iraq?

They often do both. The att... (Below threshold)
narciso:

They often do both. The attack on US forces in Yemen, the assault on UN forces in Somalia, and
WTC; the first time, all were being planned at the
same time. The last was part of the 'Jerusalem
project' that was supposed to force us out the
Middle East, and encourage Israel to do the same. There was another multiple plot, involving the same players, attacking Federal bulidings, assas.
of Senators, attacking the Diamond District, etc
that was broken up. Of the two figures, responsible for directing the attacks in Mogadishu, one Mohammed Atef, was killed in Afghanistan, the other Said al Adel; aka Col.
Mohammed Mokkawi, is still living in Iran, and
has been tied to the first wave of Al Queda attacks in KSA, in 2003-2004.

Brian is here spinning f... (Below threshold)
Brian:

Brian is here spinning from the liberal sew*ge again. AlQ is always want to attack us no matter what.

Well, thank you for agreeing with me that Kim was just making sh*t up. I wasn't expecting the assist from you, but it works all the same.

By the way, did you see that Republicans are now calling the Iraqi government a failure, and are inviting them to ask us to leave?

"Why are you afraid, we've... (Below threshold)
Rob LA Ca.:

"Why are you afraid, we've brought it on ourselves."

WE? WE? What was the Reason for all those screams of "CLINTON IS THE BIG SATAN"

We are going to be paying the price for the Clintons till the end of time at the same time the Criminal Rats will continue to destroy any trace of their corruption and incompetance.

Lying puss wrote:

"Your fear is not mine. I know what to expect and I am not afraid."

The hell you aren't. Brian and CB , the typical stupid democrat serial liars are the biggest Cowards in the Country. The claims of this Country is not worth dying for , yet that is what will happen unless they have already come to an agreement. Oh that's right they have already surendered when they said the War is lost. So when do you take your oath to your new masters and convert to Islam?

Really you clowns , your lies , your Party of frauds and your endless childish tranference is old already. The gig is up , your lies are exposed and the facts make you cry just like History.

It is astonishing to me the... (Below threshold)
kim:

It is astonishing to me the degree to which deception is depended upon for the left fringe and the Democrats to get their message to hoi polloi. Is there no self-consciousness of the fragility of that strategy?

I worry. We need two, strong, honest, parties. At least, we seem to have needed them. Most societies don't; and the Democrats are attempting to demonstrate what happens when one party simply becomes unreal. It's a little like Colony Collapse Syndrome.
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I believe that the US never... (Below threshold)
Sven:

I believe that the US never should have invaded Iraq in the first place. But now that we have, and if the US were to leave, it would create another Somalia. Or another Vietnam. We cannot leave because what progress we have made would collapse.




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