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Rosie is back on WTC Building 7 and Melted Steel

Newsbusters has the latest from Rosie on that whole fire can't melt steel, WTC 7 controversy. Elisabeth Hasselbeck has been doing her homework and had some pretty spirited responses to the conspiracy theories. Doesn't ABC realize that it would be great television to book the Popular Mechanics guys who investigated the tower collapses? Heck, if Rosie thinks they are Bush agents, then ABC can invite additional guests as well, but the show really should either stop letting Rosie spread wild conspiracy theories or have some qualified experts on to explain what really did happen on 9/11. If they did that Rosie would be exposed as a bit of a nutcase and I don't think she will allow them to do that, especially since she will be gone in a few weeks anyway. For those wondering, this all appears to have come up again in the context of a discussion about Rudy Giuliani's performance on 9/11. You won't believe Rosie's theory of how Giuliani covered up the suspect steel. It is out there -- even for her.


Comments (71)

Another 9/11 thread?<... (Below threshold)

Another 9/11 thread?

(singing) Send in the trolls... (/singing)

I think I'll call in some backup anti-troll folks right now.

How is this person allowed ... (Below threshold)
Gianni:

How is this person allowed anywhere near kids, let alone allowed to raise them?

Fire can't melt steel. And ... (Below threshold)
nikkolai:

Fire can't melt steel. And even if it can, Cheney's X-ray vision melted those toweres. In fact, Bush and Cheney actually piloted those planes, and hid in a secret underground bunker. There is really no end to the evil of these men.

Sincerely,

Leftist with Serious Daddy Issues

OK, bD, don't disappoint. ... (Below threshold)
kim:

OK, bD, don't disappoint. Let's hear what you really think. Mebbe some Sims techno?
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What can I say. Rosie just ... (Below threshold)

What can I say. Rosie just doesn't have good sense on political matters and should stick to telling jokes and funny stories instead.

Rosie is the only person I ... (Below threshold)

Rosie is the only person I can think of who is MORE stupid than Paris Hilton!

Both making money hand over... (Below threshold)
kim:

Both making money hand over fist, I note. That's pretty deep philosophizing.
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Rosie O'Donut makes Paris, ... (Below threshold)
nikkolai:

Rosie O'Donut makes Paris, Brtiney AND Lindsey look smart. And that's damn near impossible.

Both making money hand o... (Below threshold)

Both making money hand over fist, I note.

Hey, stupid sells.

For more evidence, see "Pet Rock."

Rosie is back on WTC Bui... (Below threshold)
Brian:

Rosie is back on WTC Building 7

And Lorie is back on Rosie! Tee-hee! You'll be so lonely when she's off the air.

Maybe Rosie could elicit th... (Below threshold)
J.R.:

Maybe Rosie could elicit the help of this genuis!

Still my most favorite 9/11 debunking experiment.

Of course, bryanD, you're still my most favorite 9/11 conspiracy moron!

Trust Brian to start off wi... (Below threshold)

Trust Brian to start off with a personal slam against Lorie.

Nice to know some things never change.

If the View replaces Rosie ... (Below threshold)
jim:

If the View replaces Rosie with Lindsay Lohan, I might at least watch with the volume off.

What, JR, you want more?</p... (Below threshold)
kim:

What, JR, you want more?

The more I see of MSM, the better I like blogs.
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Looks like thermite to me! ... (Below threshold)
bryanD:

Looks like thermite to me! (Or an acetylin torch cutting steel!)

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ExrVgioIXvk&mode=related&search=

This only a couple of minutes long, but shows those pesky horizontal ejections

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Pd8B-8Au-Wk&mode=related&search=

Where is BryanDelusional wi... (Below threshold)
Michael:

Where is BryanDelusional with his defense of these stupid theories?

I've alerted my friend the ... (Below threshold)

I've alerted my friend the former NYPD officer about this thread. He arrived on scene just after Tower 2 fell, and prior to number 7 falling.

In other words, if he drops in (and he may not, some of those memories are very painful for him), we'll have eyewitness testimony.

Of course, bD will just claim that he's part of the conspiracy, but what else do you expect?

CCG: Who cares if you've al... (Below threshold)
bryanD:

CCG: Who cares if you've alerted "your friend". Keep a lid on the bathos.

The apple-polishing schtick you've developed toward admin is humourous, though!

As if on cue, brian Demento... (Below threshold)
smitty:

As if on cue, brian Demento appears.

brian, did Rove pre-position the the man with the thermite bomb/acetylene torch or did he take the elevator to the impact area after the plane crash?

All hail bryanD!! Speaking... (Below threshold)
J.R.:

All hail bryanD!! Speaking idiocy to power like no other!

Thanks, bD. Insulting me is... (Below threshold)

Thanks, bD. Insulting me is a great way to make sure my friend will jump in. He defends his friends.

Naah, that was melting, bur... (Below threshold)
Ben:

Naah, that was melting, burning plastic, Bryan, looks nothing like Thermite, which

1) burns so brightly you'd just see a white flare at best.

2) burns so hot that it would not stay in one place- the thermite would drop through whatever was holding it. Thus, the source of the damage would appear to decend during the fire. I've seen it melt though an engine block. As it stays in one place during the video, the video proves that this is not Thermite.

3) Produces localized damage. The heat is intense but transient. As a result, you don't get a dripping faucet of molten metal, you get a broken off chunks of metal sheared off where the thermite burned through. Once the steel and thermite parted company, no further melting. Even if it burned through a W-84 I-beam, you'd have at best a few drips and spatters (none of which you would see through the smoke and the bright light) then nothing. Bear in mind the scale of the building you are looking at here- this is a LOT of melted material, proof again that it's not steel.

Clearly anyone who thinks they are seeing Thermite has never actually seen the stuff work, and is only having a bad case of verbal diarhea. What is going on in the video is most likely burning plastic, which I've also seen and by incredible coincidence, looks exactly like that, or possible lighter metal such as aluminum- but my bet's on plastic because you don't see the bright flare of burning metal.

BTW, if anyone has a good place for me to send them, I took photos of the long abandoned steel remains of the 79th st pier warehouse on the Hudson River. Clear proof of either:

1) Fire will severely distort structural steel.
Or...
2) Rove and Cheney used a time machine to pre-emptively plant this false evidence decades ago, cause we know fire won't do that to steel beams.
Or...
3) Frank Gehry's first job was designing warehouses.

Ben

Here is bryanDirtbag's answ... (Below threshold)
jhow66:

Here is bryanDirtbag's answer--loi yun frj laq gklte gstrbd hgitr ,lghjd9 hdfgreuyn?

I work with pyrotechnics an... (Below threshold)
scotty:

I work with pyrotechnics and explosives and know for a fact that the "horizontal ejections" could not have been created by explosives. The ejection velocities are orders of magnatude too small. Sorry conspiracy nuts it just aint possible. The "video proof" that is posted on these 9/11 websites are all that is needed to prove definitively that explosives were not involved.

In fact many of the ejections appear as a gentle waft of air clearly ejected at the same velocity as the collapsing structure even if those pancaking floors are several stories above. The air from the floors above is simply travelling down elevator safts, stair cases, etc. and blowing out windows a handful of floors below the collapse.

Videos of building demolitions may look similar to the untrained eye but careful review of a real explosion induced demolition will show that the velosity of debris in a real case of demolition is much different from any of the 9/11 videos. In fact, most video equipment has filming speeds that are too small to capture the explosion while it is happening. What you see is one frame where nothing is seen and the next frame where the explosion is complete and the debris is completely ejected. In all of the 9/11 videos the so called "explosions" last several frames documenting that the event is occuring at a 10 to 20 feet per second rate. This is clearly not from explosives.

Ben, I'd love to see those.... (Below threshold)

Ben, I'd love to see those. You can email them to me through my blog, which is linked to my username.

"Naah, that was melting, bu... (Below threshold)
bryanD:

"Naah, that was melting, burning plastic, Bryan"

Posted by: Ben

You must have never gone through the junior firebug stage of boyhood. Ants, plastic, the woods...

Facts and logic can not pen... (Below threshold)
J.R.:

Facts and logic can not penetrate bryanD's fortress of stupidity!

You must have never gone... (Below threshold)

You must have never gone through the junior firebug stage of boyhood. Ants, plastic, the woods...

Your parents let you play with thermite, bD?

By the way, you were aware that there are literally dozens of different plastics, weren't you? Of course you were, you know everything.

So you're sure you were experimenting with precisely the same plastics that were in the WTC, bD? Of course you are, you know everything.

I never understood the whol... (Below threshold)
briannyc:

I never understood the whole Rosie thing to begin with. She has never said anything funny, yet they call her a comedienne. She's a terrible actress, she's as ugly as they come and she's a big phony pretending to like Tom Cruise and all. How does she even have a career? On Television! There are a lot of stupid Americans out there I guess.

There is also a question of... (Below threshold)
scotty:

There is also a question of logic. Since the nutters claim Thermite was used, then what is the purpose of explosives? The Thermite would have not weakened or distorted the steel structure but completely severed through the beams quickly. The stucture would immediately collapse and there would have been no purpose to using explosives.

This may be the best LC tra... (Below threshold)
bryanD:

This may be the best LC trailer which includes the mis-ID'd highjackers and the airliner overlay of the hole in the Pentagon.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=oLgUUcrSEQs

Here's one for kim===(ot)

http://youtube.com/watch?v=wtatsURU1bg

Trust Brian to start off... (Below threshold)
Brian:

Trust Brian to start off with a personal slam against Lorie.

Actually, it was you who started off with a slam, against "trolls". Which, despite your ignorant misuse of the word, I'll just have to assume you intended as an insult to the left.

Besides, you're relatively new to these parts, so you may not be aware of the playful understanding between Lorie and commenters here: she obsessively posts about Rosie, and we ridicule her for it.

Nice to know some things never change.

Ditto you and your "predictions" that liberals will jump in and respond to idiotic posts from the right. Now here's one of mine... you will post on another thread!

Oh, and Michael, smitty... be careful. C-C-G doesn't think highly of those who aren't capable of making a comment without twisting someone's username into an insult.

Lorie:Doesn't ... (Below threshold)
marc:

Lorie:

Doesn't ABC realize that it would be great television to book the Popular Mechanics guys who investigated the tower collapses?

Much better for ABC to pack Rosie and a live film crew onto a flight to Oakland to view the melted steel on that bridge that collapsed due to intense heat melting the supporting steel.

bryanD[elusion]

Just GO AWAY, you have ZERO chance to convert anyone here to your idiotic "theories."

Go commiserate with the like-minded.

bryanD really believes that... (Below threshold)
BrianNYC:

bryanD really believes that all that setup for an explosive detonation took place in and around the world trade center without any of the fifty thousand workers noticing? The miles of cable that would have had to be laid alone would have taken several truckloads to deliver and have to brought and installed on to each floor. That includes drilling in concrete. But why even begin to argue with someone so foolish that they believe the President was behind it. Even though there were thousands of witnesses, videotape, cockpit recorders, taped cell phone communications from the planes passengers. What a sad person he must be to want to believe that nonsense.

CCG- I'm trying, but I just... (Below threshold)
Ben:

CCG- I'm trying, but I just can't seem to find an address for incoming emails on your blog. Where do I look?

And clearly, bryan's parent's let him play with all sorts of questionable things, and still do. But in fact he's right, being a city boy, I never did. No kid in his right mind would ever, ever, use Thermite on a New York City Cockroach. You'd only piss it off, and then it would call it's friends. Of course none of that relates to burning metal and plastic on a 100+ story skyscraper, but I can see the bd thought process working something like this:

1)When I was little, I burned ants, and it was fun!

2) When I put them on the BBQ grill, they burned up real good and was so tasty! And the plastic melted,

3) But the Grill never burned. Or melted. It just got black and greasy. And it wasn't tasty at all!

4) The grill was steel!

5) Therefore steel can't melt. Even with Jet fuel burning, cuz daddy must'a used a gallon or two of lighter fluid ever time he barbecued, and that's like the same stuff or something.

6) So if lighter fluid or whatever they put in the planes can't do it, the only possible explanation is... Evil Conservative Magic!

But on a serious note, what bd might realize if he took a step back is that all "weird" theory, from 911 to UFO's to Witches, comes from a basic and very arrogant fault in reasoning, which is this:

"If I don't understand it, no one else can either, or ever will, because I am smarter than everyone else who is or ever was".

In short:
2000BC: I don't know what Lightning is, no one else does or ever will because I am the smartest that ever will be, therefore, it's the gods.

1000AD: I don't know what caused that seizure, is, no one else does or ever will because I am the smartest that ever will be, therefore, it's the Devil.


1960AD: I don't know what caused that strange light, no one else does or ever will because I am the smartest that ever will be, therefore, it's the Aliens.

2006AD: I don't know what caused that building to fall, no one else does or ever will because I am the smartest that ever will be, therefore, it's the Conspiracy.

In every case, it's the same, building a world view based on personal ignorance. And the sad part is, there is nothing wrong with being ignorant about something. I have no idea how a computer works. We all have to specialize. The sad part is the assumption, implicit in any conspiracy/alien/voodoo theory, that everyone else is and will be for all time just as ignorant.

Ben

You must have never gone... (Below threshold)
Not Tony:

You must have never gone through the junior firebug stage of boyhood. Ants, plastic, the woods...
Posted by: bryanD

Ants are made of plastic?

taped cell phone communicat... (Below threshold)
bryanD:

taped cell phone communications from the planes passengers._BrianNYC

In LC, the call from the stewardess describing throats being slit is played. Curiously, she speaks in a calm voice and there are no background hysterics or ANYTHING noisewise, at all. Also, a test call from Colin Powell is played wherein he enacts his own kidnapping. Some test for the Sec of State!

I'm really not trying to be contrarian to piss The City off. In fact, someone got away with murdering +3000 New Yorkers.

And the only 3 highrises to collapse in such a manner, in history, on the same day, owned by the same person? Sorry, Don't buy the official story.

This WTC "hoax" business is... (Below threshold)
Publicus:

This WTC "hoax" business is crazy. But does anyone listen to Rosie?!

What would be really crazy would be Bush trying to control greenhouse gases...you know, that "global warming" hoax. Wait a minute!

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/05/14/bush.greenhouse.gases.ap/index.html

Sorry, Ben, "old" Blogger h... (Below threshold)

Sorry, Ben, "old" Blogger had an email form, guess "new" Blogger doesn't. Lemme set up a quick disposable address in case someone decides to put me on the DailyKos mailing list, and I'll tell Blogger to display that one.

Ben: Palmetto bug vs NY coc... (Below threshold)
bryanD:

Ben: Palmetto bug vs NY cockroach: Palmetto TKO3

K, all set up, Ben.... (Below threshold)

K, all set up, Ben.

Naah, that was melting, ... (Below threshold)
Taltos:

Naah, that was melting, burning plastic, Bryan, looks nothing like Thermite, which

Or possibly glass, molten glass will stay orange hot for quite a while if heated to a high enough temperature and it will pour and bead just like in the video.

"Sorry, Ben, "old" Blogger ... (Below threshold)
bryanD:

"Sorry, Ben, "old" Blogger had an email form, guess "new" Blogger doesn't_ccg"

Please surrender your Geek license to the nearest Circuit City. You may APPLY for a nerd permit at the nearest used comic book store.

Taltos: That's a reasonable... (Below threshold)
bryanD:

Taltos: That's a reasonable explanation. If I ever call you a Bushbot, you may slap me (open-handed, not on the ears!)

"Looks like thermite to ... (Below threshold)
ElMondoHummus:

"Looks like thermite to me! (Or an acetylin torch cutting steel!)

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ExrVgioIXvk&mode=related&search=
"

http://debunking911.com/thermite.htm

"This only a couple of minutes long, but shows those pesky horizontal ejections

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Pd8B-8Au-Wk&mode=related&search=
"

Which can be explained by pneumantic overpressure in the collapse zones without requiring the deus ex machina of explosives, which itself begs the question of how those explosives were planted to begin with. Occam's Razor applies here.

Think, Bryan. You're just parroting stuff you find on the internet without analysis. Think.

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Aside: The second video talks about people reporting "... explosives going off inside the buildings". This is a dishonest argument. Debunking 911 is one source at which people can begin researching this lie; that site deals with such reportage here: http://debunking911.com/explosions.htm.

And going back to the first video: That is often used as "proof" that themite was used in the destruction of the WTCs. Ignoring the fact that the metal was never conclusively identified as steel - and ignoring the fact that steel was not the only metal in the impact zone, several tons of airliner aluminum was too - that video is often paired with confirmed eyewitness testimony that molten metal was identified at Ground Zero. What conspiracy fantasists continually and conveniently ignore is the issue that the confirmed sightings of molten metal were weeks after the fact. What's the point? Thermite burns out in seconds. Where's the heat source for the metal found weeks later? Assuming it was indeed steel?

The supposed use of thermite in the video is debunked at the link I provided, and elsewhere. My point is a lesson learned in dealing with the truth-lacking members of the so-called truth movement: They try to use both video and confirmed eyewitness testimony to bolster their case for thermite use (as well as Steven Jones's debunked "study", but that's a topic discussed in other places), but they conveniently - and intentionally - ignore the contradiction that such juxtaposition gives. Claming thermite use debunks itself when the standard video is combined with eyewitness testimony of molten metals.

bryanD, You and al... (Below threshold)
BrianNYC:

bryanD,
You and all the other greenhouse suckers are gonna feel really stupid in twenty years when NOTHING AT ALL HAPPENS with global warming. Remember overpopulation? The Ozone Hole? Killer Bees? This is just the latest media induced mass hysteria. If you really cared, you'd do a little research (not googling Al GORE), and see what a bunch of bullshit it all is.

Hey, wait a minute... The ... (Below threshold)
Gizmo:

Hey, wait a minute... The authorities said that it was a fuel tanker fire that melted the steel support structures and caused that highway bridge to collapse a couple of weeks about out in San Fran. Was that a government hoax to?!?!?! Rosie sezs that petroleum distillant fires can't cause steel structures to fail!!!

"The single-vehicle crash occurred on the lower roadway when the tanker, loaded with 8,600 gallons of unleaded gasoline and heading from a refinery in Benicia to a gas station on Hegenberger Road in Oakland, hit a guardrail at 3:41 a.m.

Engineers said the green steel frame of the I-580 overpass and the bolts holding the frame together began to melt and bend in the intense heat..." http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/04/29/BAGVOPHQU46.DTL

But on a serious note, w... (Below threshold)
Taltos:

But on a serious note, what bd might realize if he took a step back is that all "weird" theory, from 911 to UFO's to Witches, comes from a basic and very arrogant fault in reasoning, which is this:

Hey hey hey, lay off the ufos. The alien angle is arguably questionable but the existence of ufos is well documented.

"This may be the best LC... (Below threshold)
ElMondoHummus:

"This may be the best LC trailer which includes the mis-ID'd highjackers and the airliner overlay of the hole in the Pentagon.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=oLgUUcrSEQs"

Supposedly mis-ID's hijackers: Dealt with here:

http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com/2006/05/theyre-alive-theyre-alive.html

... here:

http://internetdetectives.biz/case/loose-change-4#the-hijackers

... and here:

http://911myths.com/html/still_alive.html

Loose Change has been debunked, and unlike conspiracy fantasists fantasies about the Popular Mechanics article and book, it's truly been debunked, not just disagreed with, sans proof. Here are links to the various debunkings:

Screw Loose Change - Not Freakin' Again edition

Screw Loose Change's Major Lies and Deceptions, Part I, Part II, Part III, and Part IV.

The Viewer's Guide to Loose Change: http://www.loosechangeguide.com/LooseChangeGuide.html

Bryan is behind in his research.

Merci, Wurl. Der vish ist ... (Below threshold)
kim:

Merci, Wurl. Der vish ist my command. Bharatnayah to yah.
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Great link, Gizmo!... (Below threshold)

Great link, Gizmo!

Gizmo, you stole my thunder... (Below threshold)
Peter F.:

Gizmo, you stole my thunder. lol. Nice job.

I'm just glad that people a... (Below threshold)
Jo:

I'm just glad that people associate Rosie with these nutty theories AND as hating Bush.

It makes anti Bush people look like idiots, and in this way she helps us.

BryanD: And the only 3 high... (Below threshold)
Typical08:

BryanD: And the only 3 highrises to collapse in such a manner, in history, on the same day, owned by the same person? Sorry, Don't buy the official story.


So how many other high rise buildings of that construction have been hit with a Boeing 767-222, and a Boeing 767-223ER?

Yeah, T, what about those t... (Below threshold)
kim:

Yeah, T, what about those triangles? And what's the polarity of the background microwave radiation?
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"Rosie is back on WTC Build... (Below threshold)
Murphy:

"Rosie is back on WTC Building 7 and Melted Steel"

Rosie should be back in a padded cell and on very high doses of risperidone and clozapine.

EH is an asshat of sombrero... (Below threshold)
Laurie:

EH is an asshat of sombrero proportions. GOD how I wish they'd fire her stupid ass.

So how many other... (Below threshold)
Bill M:


So how many other high rise buildings of that construction have been hit with a Boeing 767-222, and a Boeing 767-223ER?

And how many of those were all in the same building complex?

Is it just me or is bD (and by extension the rest of the truthers) just not too smart? Sorta like Mz Rosie. Too dumb to come in out of the rain.

I'll be glad when Rosie is off The View. Then we won't have these periodic episodes of idiocy to deal with for a while.

This blog is obsessed with ... (Below threshold)
slingshot:

This blog is obsessed with Rosie. Why? Rosie has no actual import or influence. I can't undertsand why you spend so much time on her.

(singing) Send in the tr... (Below threshold)
James Cloninger:

(singing) Send in the trolls... (/singing)

(singing) Don't bother, they're here.

bryanD really believes t... (Below threshold)
James Cloninger:

bryanD really believes that all that setup for an explosive detonation took place in and around the world trade center without any of the fifty thousand workers noticing?

Yes, sadly, he does.


The miles of cable that would have had to be laid alone would have taken several truckloads to deliver and have to brought and installed on to each floor. That includes drilling in concrete.

Yes, sadly, he does.


What a sad person he must be to want to believe that nonsense.

Yes, sadly, he is.

I actually think Rosie is b... (Below threshold)
nikkolai:

I actually think Rosie is beautiful...inside and out.

Sincerely,
bryanD

Rosie is one sexy dude...</... (Below threshold)
nikkolai:

Rosie is one sexy dude...

Sincerely,
American Moonbat

Rosie has no actual impo... (Below threshold)

Rosie has no actual import or influence.

A show broadcast on national TV has "no actual import or influence"?

If ya believe that, would you mind helping put more shows with a Christian and/or conservative viewpoint on the air? After all, if they have "no actual import or influence," it doesn't matter what their viewpoint is, right?

" and ignoring the fact tha... (Below threshold)
Ben:

" and ignoring the fact that steel was not the only metal in the impact zone, several tons of airliner aluminum was too "

Not to mention far, far more aluminum used in the construction of the WTC.

CCG, you have your pictures of fire-distorted steel beams!

Ben

Those who believe the 'offi... (Below threshold)
oldliberalfemale:

Those who believe the 'official' version of the twin towers' collapse would be happy to drink Junior Bush's Kool-aid. Their minds are so closed why do you bother with them Bryan?

I hope all these conspiraci... (Below threshold)
kim:

I hope all these conspiracists haven't put ideas into the extreme fringes of each political wing. I'll tell you which side I wouldn't put it past, the ones with the alta knitting by the knives.
===================================

Their minds are so close... (Below threshold)

Their minds are so closed why do you bother with them Bryan?

Why do you?

CCG, you have your pictu... (Below threshold)

CCG, you have your pictures of fire-distorted steel beams!

Thanks, Ben, I'll check them out in a bit.

The funniest part about old... (Below threshold)
Veeshir:

The funniest part about oldliberalfemale's comment? You can't tell if it's real or if it's satire.
I'm not even sure which way it would be funnier, although it is pretty funny for a conspiracy-theorist to accuse others of drinking "Junior Bush's Kool-aid".

I like the part where she (... (Below threshold)
Zelsdorf Ragshaft III:

I like the part where she (oldliberalfleamale) talks about belief in the official version. I don't know what version she is talking about. The one I saw live on TV, where the plane hit the building and a while later, they both collapsed is probably not the official version, but I saw what happened. There were no explosions. I have seen building demolished. This was not done by explosion. But then men never walked on the moon either.




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