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Falwell "found unresponsive" in office

Jerry Falwell was found unconscious in his Liberty University office, the Lynchburg News & Advance reports:


BREAKING NEWS

The Rev. Jerry Falwell arrived at Lynchburg General Hospital today around noon after being found unresponsive in his office. Ron Godwin, the executive vice president of Liberty University, confirmed that Falwell was found unconscious in his office after missing an appointment this morning.


Source at link above.

Thanks to Jonah Goldberg at The Corner for pointing to this story.

Update (Kim): Fox News is reporting that a Falwell aide has said that Rev. Falwell has died. He was 73 years old. A hospital press conference is expected soon.

Some of the nutroots are thrilled that Rev. Falwell has died. Take a look at some of the discussion threads at the Democratic Underground. Sickos.



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Comments (118)

Check out DUmmieland for th... (Below threshold)
chuck:

Check out DUmmieland for their running pablum. Here's the first comment I found:

22. FINALLY! Hopefully, one of the causes of our national nightmare ends - soon...
Good riddence to bad rubbish - hope he enjoys the flames in hell...


Fucking asshole - I hope he is suffering greatly - it would only be a partial payback to all the suffering he has caused MILLIONS...
Together we are many. We cannot be defeated.

BREAKING NEWS UPDATE... (Below threshold)
Wieder:

BREAKING NEWS UPDATE

MSNBC: Falwell's condition upgraded to DEAD!

Great man. May he rest in p... (Below threshold)
The Exposer:

Great man. May he rest in peace.

As for the DUmmies, we know which direction they're going.
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Wieder,Enjoy your ... (Below threshold)
Heralder:

Wieder,

Enjoy your short stay at Wizbang, as I have no doubt that you will very soon be banned.

And what a terrible loss that will be to our discourse here. Well, it almost makes me want to cry.

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As for Mr. Falwell, rest in peace.

Party tonight on K street t... (Below threshold)
liam:

Party tonight on K street to celebrate the fact that Falwell is dead!! Ding Dong the jacka**is gone!

Reverend Falwell did many g... (Below threshold)

Reverend Falwell did many great things for our nation, and for our people.

He will be greatly missed.

When someone close to you d... (Below threshold)
Heralder:

When someone close to you dies, Liam and Wieder, I hope you stop and reflect on these times where you celebrated...and know that someone, somehwere, is smiling at the death of your loved one.

My pastor studied at Libert... (Below threshold)
John F Not Kerry:

My pastor studied at Liberty and was a good friend of Falwell's. He was a much maligned man of character who was excoriated for calling pornography a sin. I will disregard those who, in their willful ignorance, think they have anything of substance to say about him without knowing him. While he may have said a few politically stupid things, the only "damage" he did was to people's self-esteem because they couldn't stand being told they were wrong. He will rest in peace.

How sad and depraved one mu... (Below threshold)
J.R.:

How sad and depraved one must be to relish in someone else's death. I don't think I ever agreed with Jerry Falwell, but still may he rest in peach and my thoughts and prayers go out to his family and friends.

I didn't agree with anythin... (Below threshold)
Paul Hamilton:

I didn't agree with anything Falwell said or did, but I will never celebrate anyone's illness or death. Clearly he was a man who changed both religion and politics in this country, and in fact did more to unite the two than anyone else I can think of, and so the meaning of his life and works deserves the consideration of all of us.

The vengeance of the Lord. ... (Below threshold)
Wieder:

The vengeance of the Lord. Can Dobson and Robertson be far behind?

The Left's only regret is t... (Below threshold)
Aufdem:

The Left's only regret is that they never caught him soliciting gay prostitutes.

Assuming God's place can be... (Below threshold)
John F Not Kerry:

Assuming God's place can be a dangerous thing, Wiener. I am tempted to do it concerning you, but I have seen Him do miracles. Just remember, His judgement is just, but His grace and mercy endure forever.

*Wieder*Are you th... (Below threshold)
John F Not Kerry:

*Wieder*

Are you the fitness guy? Probably not.

Actually this has got to be... (Below threshold)
Mike:

Actually this has got to be a stunning blow to those in tinfoil hat kookville. They've lost one of the major players in their diabolical "theocracy" conspiracy theories. And the liberal chattering class has lost one of its favorite whipping boys.

Jerry Falwell was a man of good moral character and a man of God who never fell to the sins of greed and lust, unlike so many other religious celebrities. I didn't agree with much of his teaching (particularly his traditional fundamentalist anti-gay positions) but I respected his desire to rid American culture of so much worthless garbage

Big surprise the moonbats a... (Below threshold)
D-Hoggs:

Big surprise the moonbats are cheering. Sick, sick, pathetic individuals. wieder, talk about the vengeance of the lord, you will reap your's. Jay, Kevin, where are you? This kind of shit is becoming the norm around here now, I am still conviced it is ramping up as a direct result of WizBlue bringing in more and more moonbat crazies. I think most Wiz readers come here because we don't want to read the disgusting garbage written on kos and du, well, now we don't even have wizbang anymore, sad.

I never cared for his versi... (Below threshold)
Peter F.:

I never cared for his version of Christianity, but peace be unto his family and may he rest in peace and. God knows the liberals won't let him do it.

It's sad, but the FIRST thi... (Below threshold)
Roy:

It's sad, but the FIRST thing that came to my mind when I heard Rev. Falwell was taken to the hospital was "what will the nutroots say about this? - how low can they possibly go this time". That says a lot about what kind of reputation they've created for themselves. And, true to form, they have delivered.

They're really just miserab... (Below threshold)
D-Hoggs:

They're really just miserable human beings.

My thoughts and prayers for... (Below threshold)

My thoughts and prayers for Rev. Falwell's family and friends.

I am equally disgusted by some of the vitriol being spewed from the left, but we all should realize that nothing is gained by promoting the myth that the leftists are just people of good will with a differing opinion.

Let the whole world see them for what they really are. In the end, they themselves are our best argument against them.

My best wishes for a speedy... (Below threshold)
average wizbang poster:

My best wishes for a speedy recovery!

It has come to the point th... (Below threshold)
nehemiah:

It has come to the point that we should not try to engage the left in discourse. It is utterly worthless as truth is not a convincing factor for them. Do not expect them to show class and magnanimity. Do not try to convince them (most anyway) of what is good and right. Just force them out of positions of influence, and I recommend that they be relegated to making bagels and tea and coffee and some organic type foods -- that is their only redeeming talent.

In regard to 9/11, Falwell ... (Below threshold)
Wieder:

In regard to 9/11, Falwell had a message of peace and unity which he offered as follows:

"I really believe that the pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People For the American Way -- all of them who have tried to secularize America -- I point the finger in their face and say 'you helped this happen.'"

And the Wizzers think that the Left is hateful?

I was not a big fan of Falw... (Below threshold)
Denise:

I was not a big fan of Falwell's but may he rest in peace. I will keep his family in my prayers.

The vitriol and hatred on the left (Democratic Underground is ORGASMIC right now) will get them eventually. They are sick, sick people.

And I am so sure if Micheal... (Below threshold)
average wizbang poster:

And I am so sure if Micheal Moore or Ted Kennedy suddenly died, you all here would be so humane and considerate. Give me a fucking break.

Wieder, you and your ilk ar... (Below threshold)
marc:

Wieder, you and your ilk are insufferable buffoons.

And I am so sure if Micheal... (Below threshold)
John F Not Kerry:

And I am so sure if Micheal Moore or Ted Kennedy suddenly died, you all here would be so humane and considerate. Give me a fucking break.

Posted by: average wizbang poster

Classic projection. Accuse someone of doing something you do before they do it to justify your reprehensible behavior. Classic, and sad.

average wizbang poster... (Below threshold)
marc:

average wizbang poster

And I am so sure if Micheal Moore or Ted Kennedy suddenly died, you all here would be so humane and considerate. Give me a fucking break.

Give you a break... I'd LOVE to starting with the neckbone and progressing southward.

However, if you have the ability (doubtful it takes a working cranium), do a search of Wizbang for "U.S. Senator Tim Johnson (D-S.D.)," or "Harry Reid (D-NV)" when he suffered a mild stroke in 2005.

You'd be SHOCKED I tell ya!

SHOCKED to believe you had the intellectual honesty to look. It's much to easy to be an uninformed A-Hole isn't it?

Falwell's condition upgr... (Below threshold)
Who's John Galt?:

Falwell's condition upgraded

You'll pay dearly for that. Those words will echo when your next loved one passes on.

Exactly right, Heralder and... (Below threshold)
Paul Hamilton:

Exactly right, Heralder and all the rest who have pointed out that those who mock death have never experienced the pain of losing a loved one.

Are liberals really stupid ... (Below threshold)
Aufdem:

Are liberals really stupid enough to think that people were on the fence about voting for Bush until Jerry Falwell supported him?

Yes, of course they are.

Condolences to the Reverend... (Below threshold)
mantis:

Condolences to the Reverend's family.

For the rest of you yahoos who think that the comments of a couple jackasses on this thread are in some way indicative of "the left" where "the right" is the very model of graciousness, a little reminder:

From Jay's piece on Molly Ivins death:

Can't agree with you, Jay. I was force-fed her crap when the Lawrence Eagle-Tribune regularly soiled their editorial pages with her vomit a few years back. She was a bitter, rancid, one-dimensional hack who thought calling Dubya "Shrub" qualified her for seating at the Algonquin Round Table. Good riddance to bad rubbish.
Posted by: cmd at February 6, 2007 08:27 AM

Good assessment, cmd, but you left out 'partisan'. Molly Ivins was a true yellow-dog Democrat who really would have voted for the Devil himself if he were running on the Democratic ticket. One could simply summarize her philosophy and writing as "Republican - bad; Democrat - good".

She may be missed by others, but not by me. Surely one can find others more worthy to mourn.
Posted by: Wally at February 6, 2007 08:35 AM

mantis - and where are all ... (Below threshold)
marc:

mantis - and where are all those you quote now?

Both cmd and Wally were around for quite some time before that event.

Where are they now?

I didn't much agree with a ... (Below threshold)
JLawson:

I didn't much agree with a lot that Falwell preached, but I'll give him his due - he tried to get a lot of folks to be just a bit better human beings. Rest in peace, sir - you took on a damned difficult job, and did the best you could.

average wizbang poster... (Below threshold)
D-Hoggs:

average wizbang poster

"And I am so sure if Micheal Moore or Ted Kennedy suddenly died, you all here would be so humane and considerate. Give me a fucking break."

Show us examples of such behavior in the magnitude that we get from the left and then we'll talk. What's that? Yeah I didn't think so.

BTW, mantis you failed to a... (Below threshold)
marc:

BTW, mantis you failed to add "KobeClan" who had similar and just as idiotic comments as cmd and Wally.

You also overlooked the fact they were generally shouted down for their buffoonery just as those with similar tripe in this thread.

Mantis, as I said before, s... (Below threshold)
D-Hoggs:

Mantis, as I said before, show us examples like that that rival the numbers of, not simply comments, but blog postings and articles by the left that engage in such garbage. You posted two comments, look at the sheer number of postings and articles on kos and du. Sickening.

And the Wizzers think th... (Below threshold)
Who's John Galt?:

And the Wizzers think that the Left is hateful?

Yes. As a matter of fact, I do indeed.

"[I]f there is retributive justice [Sen. Jesse Helms] will get AIDS from a transfusion, or one of his grandchildren will get it." -PBS's Nina Totenberg

"I hope his wife feeds him lots of eggs and butter and he dies early like many black men do, of heart disease." - USA Today's Julianne Malveaux regarding fellow black Clarence Thomas.

"...some sleazy woman with big hair coming out of the trailer parks ..." -Newsweek's Evan Thomas about Paula Jones, one of the many women victimized by Bill Clinton.

Remember when former NBC Radio reporter Bonnie Erbe told Linda Chavez that she had a greater chance of being struck by lightning than being raped "at her age."?

Other examples of liberal vitriol include Eleanor Clift's remarks about the impeachment of her venerated William Jefferson Clinton: "That herd of managers from the House, I mean, frankly, all they were missing was white sheets."

Along the same lines, the Arkansas Times wrote that "Kenneth Starr is cunning, ruthless, and about as well mannered as Heinrich Himmler." Then there was Los Angeles Times' Karen Grigsby Bates, who said of Sen. Trent Lott: "Whenever I hear Trent Lott speak, I immediately think of nooses decorating trees. Big trees, with black bodies swinging from the business ends of nooses." Of course, she may have had Lott mixed up with the senior United States Senator from West Virginia, member of the Democratic Party, and Exalted Cyclops.

Liberals can hear whispers of what they consider hate speech fifty miles away - whether they imagine that it's coming from Sean Hannity or Jerry Falwell or just about anyone opposed to affirmative action. But, they can't hear it dripping off their own nasty tongues. Hypocrisy, thy name is liberal.

Well, Jerry Falwell now knows some things that the rest of us don't. God bless him. No tears, no worries, and no pain. My thoughts and prayers go to his family.

I don't condone those rejoi... (Below threshold)
Brian:

I don't condone those rejoicing in his death, but those of you calling Falwell a "great man" have some serious issues also.

Brian:I don't ... (Below threshold)
marc:

Brian:

I don't condone those rejoicing in his death, but those of you calling Falwell a "great man" have some serious issues also.

And if we weren't "looking" what would you say?

"...those of you calling Fa... (Below threshold)
John F Not Kerry:

"...those of you calling Falwell a "great man" have some serious issues also."

Posted by: Brian

And I have issues with you saying I have issues. Opinions are just that. Everyone has them. Frankly, I would love to see your opinions change to match mine, but it isn't a high priority.

Hey John, don't forget that... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:

Hey John, don't forget that Bill Bennet said if you aborted all black babies the crime rate will drop.

Since I have nothing nice to say about the Rev. I will say nothing.

mantis, you're right that i... (Below threshold)

mantis, you're right that it's not indicative of the left, but it certainly is of the constantly angry and bitter "far left" which is perfectly illustrated by the commentary at DU and Kos. And those comments you pointed out from the right on Ivins' death were equally uncalled for. But they are no more indicative of the right. Perhaps people should put those from either side in a special camp all their own and call them simply "mean and spiteful".

But I must say there was a sum total of 10 comments there on that Wizbang post and they didn't all cheer her demise. As a matter of fact I've found very few comments on any blogs that carry anywhere near the vitriol I'm reading now over Falwell's death. I'm reading stuff out there on liberal blogs that would make a sailor blush. Hundreds of foul, invective-laden trash comments. There really is no comparison.

You also overlooked the ... (Below threshold)
mantis:

You also overlooked the fact they were generally shouted down for their buffoonery just as those with similar tripe in this thread.

I'm not overlooking it; my point was that being an asshole is not a partisan enterprise. They are everywhere. It's good that people object to their assholery, from whatever side.

Mantis, as I said before, show us examples like that that rival the numbers of, not simply comments, but blog postings and articles by the left that engage in such garbage. You posted two comments, look at the sheer number of postings and articles on kos and du. Sickening.

My point has been made. I'm not going to troll all over the interwebs tracking down quotes for this and get into some silly "which side is more hateful?" pissing match; it's not worth my time. I remembered the Molly Ivins thread because it was recent, so I pulled it up.

"Hey John, don't forget tha... (Below threshold)
John F Not Kerry:

"Hey John, don't forget that Bill Bennet said if you aborted all black babies the crime rate will drop."

Any context Barney? I'm sure Bennett is in favor of that, right?

"Since I have nothing nice to say about the Rev. I will say nothing."

Does that mean you will stop commenting here? Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

Unlike Reagan, most people ... (Below threshold)
Aufdem:

Unlike Reagan, most people don't even know who Jerry Falwell was, so the DUers feel much more comfortable spewing their hatred.

A man dies. I didn't like a... (Below threshold)
JFO:

A man dies. I didn't like anything about him. A man some respect and agree with and others didn't 't respect and disagreed with. And what do we get? The usual finger pointing, schoolyard trash-talking, political poop from both sides.

Let the man rest in peace - God will judge him just as he will judge us all. Let he who is without sin cast the first stone. (I'm as guilty as anyone sometimes).

May Jerry Falwell rest in p... (Below threshold)
-S-:

May Jerry Falwell rest in peace. I know his soul is with our Lord.

I sat here with tears rolling down my face when I tried to read a thread on FARK on which mostly Liberals ranted obscenities and threats and various quotes from the possessed from THE EXORCIST at the pretend-presence of Jerry Falwell lying dead.

Number One task is prayer for lost souls. And as to that, I know that Falwell gave it a very good effort. Faith is rewarded in Heaven by God, not popularity on Earth.

Mike: the "anti-gay positi... (Below threshold)
-S-:

Mike: the "anti-gay position" that you refer to was Falwell referring to Scripture, in which homosexual acts are defined as sin. It's not a dismissal of any human being, but of the sin. God is not the author of sin.

As to quotes here by "manti... (Below threshold)
-S-:

As to quotes here by "mantis," I don't read anything in either of those quotes as to anyone on Wizbang going "hooray, she's dead, rot in hell, wicked witch" or similar to that. People remarked about the quality or lack thereof of her work, they didn't go "rah, rah, rot in death" and similar horrible things that I've read in multitudes about Falwell from the Left.

There is a huge difference in CURSING SOMEONE TO DEATH OR IN DEATH and another thing to withhold support for what they did while alive on Earth. A huge, huge difference.

What I've read as to Falwell from the Left condemns the Left, it does nothing to harm Falwell. The depth of my sadness when I read this hate from the Left is that I know that it's coming from the depths of others who are immersed in darkness. No one of faith could or would ever write what I've read the Left has written about Falwell, here, elsewhere this morning.

Molly Ivins wasn't someone whose work was well supported outside her Liberal audience. Her work. No one among the Right, among Conservatives, has stood over her grave and spat upon it, nor upon her soul, as the Left has done as to Falwell.

This world is a much better... (Below threshold)
savannah:

This world is a much better place WITHOUT Mr Falwell in it! Larry Flint was just interviewed and said he'll go to Falwell's grave and piss on it! Way to go Larry

And Larry Flint must answer... (Below threshold)
-S-:

And Larry Flint must answer to God, just as you must, savannah, as all of us must. Flint and you and others with similar hate will have to explain to God why you did, felt, said, sought and wanted what you have. God's not mocked and Liberal memes nor sarcasm nor gold plated wheelchairs are going to impress Him, not one tiny bit.

Aww, I totally thought God ... (Below threshold)
mantis:

Aww, I totally thought God was impressed by sarcasm! Dammit, now I have to start from scratch.

Because, if your argument i... (Below threshold)
-S-:

Because, if your argument is with the Bible, your argument is with God. What He says in there is what He means. He doesn't say it's good to be promiscuous and lie in sin, He says he condemns what He condemns. The way is narrow. None of us knows when our time comes but once it arrives, we go before God and there's no moment for revision or rewrite by then.

Falwell's mostly Bible-centered statements made him one to revile by many Liberals but Falwell focused on what God's word says. If you don't like the message, hating the messenger won't change the outcome. Nor the penalty at judgement.

This just in over the wire ... (Below threshold)
average wizbang poster:

This just in over the wire from ANS (Afterlife News Service):

Falwell blames 'pagans, abortionists, gays, feminists, lesbians' for death

(ANS, The Afterlife) Echoing his comments made after 9-11 that the terrorist attack was caused by a litany of "evil forces," the late Jerry Falwell said today from the afterlife that "pagans, abortionists, gays, feminists, lesbians, the ACLU, People for the American Way, Al Gore, Daily Kos and other immoral, liberal groups and individuals bear full responsibility for the heart attack that has claimed my earthly life."

Falwell went to add that, unlike his apology following his post-9-11 comments, he will "not be apologizing this time because there are no liberals where I'm going. So they can kiss my fat, dead ass."

"If you're not a born-again... (Below threshold)
jp2:

"If you're not a born-again Christian, you're a failure as a human being."

"Christians, like slaves and soldiers, ask no questions"

"[Homosexuals are] brute beasts...part of a vile and satanic system [that] will be utterly annihilated, and there will be a celebration in heaven."

"AIDS is not just God's punishment for homosexuals; it is God's punishment for the society that tolerates homosexuals"


His work speaks for itself.

I always liked Falwell. He ... (Below threshold)
bryanD:

I always liked Falwell. He put Biblical doctrine first (as a good Baptist should) and was never a moneywhore like the PTL skank that Althouse was shilling for here a few days ago (for some un-Godly reason).

And like Phyllis Schlafley (another great debater), Falwell never let "them" see him sweat, I don't care how hot that debate got; he'd just smiiiiile away...You got to admire that as a weapon in itself! I give him 4 stars.

I change my thinking. Lefti... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

I change my thinking. Lefties just don't hate GW irrationally, they hate all things God. ww

Bumper sticker from yesterd... (Below threshold)

Bumper sticker from yesterday:

"Better a bleeding heart than no heart at all."

Um...

...ain't self delusion grand.

Rest in peace Rev. Falwell.

As to quotes here by "ma... (Below threshold)
mantis:

As to quotes here by "mantis," I don't read anything in either of those quotes as to anyone on Wizbang going "hooray, she's dead, rot in hell, wicked witch" or similar to that. People remarked about the quality or lack thereof of her work, they didn't go "rah, rah, rot in death" and similar horrible things that I've read in multitudes about Falwell from the Left.

That's the standard? Ok, here you go.

"Mike: the "anti-gay positi... (Below threshold)
Wieder:

"Mike: the "anti-gay position" that you refer to was Falwell referring to Scripture, in which homosexual acts are defined as sin." -S-

How absurd, quoting "Scripture," someone else's rant to rationalize bigotry.

and...

"but Falwell focused on what God's word says" -S-

As in, Jews cannot go to heaven and god he does not hear Jewish prayers. So god is anti-semitic in spite of the fact that the "scriptures?" indicate that Jews are the chosen people.

Nice rationality there, you bible hugger.

"Mike: the "anti-gay positi... (Below threshold)
Wieder:

"Mike: the "anti-gay position" that you refer to was Falwell referring to Scripture, in which homosexual acts are defined as sin." -S-

How absurd, quoting "Scripture," someone else's rant to rationalize bigotry.

and...

"but Falwell focused on what God's word says" -S-

As in, Jews cannot go to heaven and god he does not hear Jewish prayers. So god is anti-semitic in spite of the fact that the "scriptures?" indicate that Jews are the chosen people.

Nice rationality there, you bible hugger.

barneyGRUBBLE:... (Below threshold)
marc:

barneyGRUBBLE:

Since I have nothing nice to say about the Rev. I will say nothing.

did you invent your misinterpretation of Bill Bennett's comments or just pull them from idiots like Media Matters?

"bible hugger"Just... (Below threshold)
John F Not Kerry:

"bible hugger"

Just so you know, we take that as a compliment.

And I have issues with y... (Below threshold)
Brian:

And I have issues with you saying I have issues. Opinions are just that. Everyone has them.

So in a thread whose main theme is all about taking issue with the opinions of others, after I take issue with those who take issue with those opinions, you take issue with my opinion? OK, as long as we're on the same page.

And besides... it's bible *... (Below threshold)

And besides... it's bible *thumper* not *hugger*.

JFO-Thank you for ... (Below threshold)
LAB:

JFO-

Thank you for your neutral and and rational comment.

May Jerry Falwell rest in peace.

Oh he was a great ... (Below threshold)
dr lava:

Oh he was a great man...fleecing little old grannies out of their social security checks to get rich.

Lets not forget how he ripped off those other GREAT CHRISTIANS :Jim and Tammi.

The man was a top notch hillbilly huckster.

the myth that the leftis... (Below threshold)
Brian:

the myth that the leftists are just people of good will with a differing opinion.

Yeah, unlike the good will demonstrated by some right here at Wizbang, who simply wish death upon those they disagree with.

As a matter of fact I've... (Below threshold)
Brian:

As a matter of fact I've found very few comments on any blogs that carry anywhere near the vitriol I'm reading now over Falwell's death. I'm reading stuff out there on liberal blogs that would make a sailor blush. Hundreds of foul, invective-laden trash comments. There really is no comparison.

In a world in which LGF exists, you can make that statement with a straight face?

"But they do it too!" isn't... (Below threshold)

"But they do it too!" isn't a valid excuse and never has been. "Look how hateful these people are being?" "You do it too!"

I guess it's all right and acceptable then? Good to know.

People with class don't say mean things about dead people or call a lady dying of cancer "skank" like bryanD did up in this comment thread.

Grace and graciousness and gracefulness is all about what we *don't* deserve. It costs so little to be gracious in the face of someone elses sorrow.

I did not always agree with... (Below threshold)
Zelsdorf Ragshaft III:

I did not always agree with Rev. Falwell, but he was on the right, and I mean right. You on the left have Jackson and Sharpton. I'll take a man like Falwell every time when compared. Flint could get shot again if he tries to piss on Falwells grave. Could be fatal this time.

Pretty sure Flynt did not s... (Below threshold)
mantis:

Pretty sure Flynt did not say that. Here's his statement:

"The Reverend Jerry Falwell and I were arch enemies for fifteen years. We became involved in a lawsuit concerning First Amendment rights and Hustler magazine. Without question, this was my most important battle - the l988 Hustler Magazine, Inc., v. Jerry Falwell case, where after millions of dollars and much deliberation, the Supreme Court unanimously ruled in my favor.

My mother always told me that no matter how much you dislike a person, when you meet them face to face you will find characteristics about them that you like. Jerry Falwell was a perfect example of that. I hated everything he stood for, but after meeting him in person, years after the trial, Jerry Falwell and I became good friends. He would visit me in California and we would debate together on college campuses. I always appreciated his sincerity even though I knew what he was selling and he knew what I was selling.

The most important result of our relationship was the landmark decision from the Supreme Court that made parody protected speech, and the fact that much of what we see on television and hear on the radio today is a direct result of my having won that now famous case which Falwell played such an important role in."

-S-,I'm not referr... (Below threshold)
Mike:

-S-,

I'm not referring to his Biblical teachings on homosexuality. Rather I am referring to the war he raged against homosexuals in American culture.

There are plenty of sins (adultery and greed chief among them) that have torn American society apart at a far deeper level than homosexuality. Yet Falwell never went on moralistic campaigns to rid American courts of no-fault divorce, or declare that all those who had gotten no-fault divorces were sinners destined for hell (which is actually what some hardcore biblical primitivists teach). I also never saw Falwell publicly denounce the architects of the massive financial swindles of the Dot Com era. Their greed ruined far more lives than Ellen Degeneres ever will.

Falwell's crusade against homosexuality was a misguided (though sincere) campaign that turned the attention of evangelical christians away from issues that should have been at the center of their movement.

WiederAs in, Je... (Below threshold)
Sue:

Wieder

As in, Jews cannot go to heaven and god he does not hear Jewish prayers. So god is anti-semitic in spite of the fact that the "scriptures?" indicate that Jews are the chosen people.

I'd like to see your proof that Jerry Falwell said and believed this.

The bible is quite clear that God has a plan for the Jews. They are still His people-that has not changed. Romans spells some it out very clearly. Some is still a mystery (something God knows and plans that has not been revealed to us yet.). I don't know of any Christians that hold Jews in contempt or think they all are going to hell. (Oh, I'm sure that are a very, very few-but they are not in the mainstream.)

Just a hint-when you try to use the bible to back up something you say, or to put down someone else all you do is display your ignorance about God and Christianity.

If you all haven't seen thi... (Below threshold)
Mike:

If you all haven't seen this yet, the dependable Fred Phepls has already damned Falwell to hell.

Enjoy the irony while you can -- rabid liberals and Fred Phelps finally agreeing on something.

www.godhatesamerica.com

And I am so sure if Mic... (Below threshold)
Jo:

And I am so sure if Micheal Moore or Ted Kennedy suddenly died, you all here would be so humane and considerate. Give me a fucking break.

But isn't that what you libs are all so braggy about? Your liberal tolerance and compassion? And when you don't have those, what are you good for?

That's the whole point. You're not good for anything.

Synova, who are you arguing... (Below threshold)
Brian:

Synova, who are you arguing with? You're rebutting points no one made.

And when you don't have ... (Below threshold)
Brian:

And when you don't have those, what are you good for?

Well, Sock Puppet Jo... kicking you out of Congress, for one. Bwahahahaha!

Phelps is a registered demo... (Below threshold)
SCSIwuzzy:

Phelps is a registered democrat, and regular political campaign contributor. They agree all the time.

And Brian, with 29% approva... (Below threshold)
Jo:

And Brian, with 29% approval rating, apparently accomplishing NADA.

Bwahahahahahahaha......ouch.

Yes, Brain, I agree that yo... (Below threshold)

Yes, Brain, I agree that you made no points.

Some of the nutroots are... (Below threshold)
James Cloninger:

Some of the nutroots are thrilled that Rev. Falwell has died.

Colour me shocked.

I see it didn't take long for some of our resident trolls to dance around the grave. Probably more heartbroken about Saddam's timely demise than Falwell's. I never liked the man, personally, but I'm not jumping around in glee like I've won the lotto.

Weider, you are a fucking dick. You know that?

Hey John, don't forget t... (Below threshold)
James Cloninger:

Hey John, don't forget that Bill Bennet said if you aborted all black babies the crime rate will drop.

You are a fucking idiot as well, as well as a cherry-picker, by the way:

But I do know that it's true that if you wanted to reduce crime, you could -- if that were your sole purpose, you could abort every black baby in this country, and your crime rate would go down. That would be an impossible, ridiculous, and morally reprehensible thing to do, but your crime rate would go down.

Context: look it up. He was making a rather flippant point.

And Brian, with 29% appr... (Below threshold)
Brian:

And Brian, with 29% approval rating, apparently accomplishing NADA.

Well, Sock Puppet Jo, better to have low approval and do nothing than have low approval and send American soliders off to die for no reason.

In fact, you could make the... (Below threshold)
James Cloninger:

In fact, you could make the same argument to reduce the crime rate by kicking out every illegal alien here, Hispanic or non. Reduce the population, reduce the crime rate. By the same token, you could pick any segment of the population, remove it, and you automatically reduce the crime rate. That was the friggin' point.

Hell, even Rosie "Fire can't melt steel" O'Donnell could grok that!

Yes, Brain, I agree that... (Below threshold)
Brian:

Yes, Brain, I agree that you made no points.

Oh, I didn't realize it was my points you were attempting to not responding to. I'm honored, though still left unfulfilled.

"Context: look it up. He... (Below threshold)
Wieder:

"Context: look it up. He [Bennet] was making a rather flippant point." James Cloninger

To quote you,"what a dick." Bennet wasn't nailed for advocating the abortion of blacks. Rather, what he implied, however, was that blacks are the major reason for crime. Just your everyday variety of bigotry.

Context, Cloninger. Look it up.

"bible hugger"Jus... (Below threshold)
James Cloninger:

"bible hugger"
Just so you know, we take that as a compliment.

I take it as someone who constructs metaphors like a baboon constructing a house.

(that's a simile, before you start...)

To quote you,"what a dic... (Below threshold)
James Cloninger:

To quote you,"what a dick." Bennet wasn't nailed for advocating the abortion of blacks. Rather, what he implied, however, was that blacks are the major reason for crime. Just your everyday variety of bigotry.
Context, Cloninger. Look it up.

Weider, you can look up my arsehole, for all I care.

Subtle enough for ya?

If you all haven't seen ... (Below threshold)
James Cloninger:

If you all haven't seen this yet, the dependable Fred Phepls has already damned Falwell to hell.

And water is wet. Colour me shocked again. I'll make another prognostication: Weider will say something stupid and pointless again.

mantis:I can't sta... (Below threshold)
James Cloninger:

mantis:

I can't stand Larry Flint either, but kudos to him for being gracious like that.

WOW, moonbats flappin the w... (Below threshold)
Knightbrigade:

WOW, moonbats flappin the wings over The Rev. Falwell, and that is getting some predictable responses.

for the record- Fred Phelps and RABID-liberals are human waste products that should just be removed...period

As far as rabid left jerking themselves into a frenzy, I totally understand it. It doesn't bother me because I cannot think any lower of liberals than I already do.
I despise Rosie, Mikey Moore, Teddy Kennedy, etc. It's just how LOW and LOUD the comments will go.

We know the opposite ends of the ideological spectrum are for lack of a better word at (WAR).

Most of you who are more moderate or middle in your ideologies prefer a more civil tone.
You may not like the brutal bloody words of the extreme, but lets not get too upset....it's not like words are bullets..........

Well, if Falwell was murder... (Below threshold)
kim:

Well, if Falwell was murdered just to take the heat off the DoJ, as has been suggested, why don't we get back to the DoJ, and Comey admitting to be working for Schumer yesterday, or at least not for the President. See, I told you about McNulty.
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"and Comey admitting to ... (Below threshold)
Wieder:

"and Comey admitting to be working for Schumer yesterday"

You really are an absurdly stupid little twit, thinking you're so clever w/ your "gems." Your contempt for Comey just reflects that you could care less about a functioning DoJ so long as it carries out a one-sided application of law on behalf of Republicans and call it "Justice.".

According to your "standards," god help anyone who actually thought Justice should be blind rather than administered by a gaggle of self-serving cronies.

Bush and Gonzo the Goofus have turned DoJ into a mockery of Justice. Even Ashcroft, who I never agreed with, at least had a concept of Justice as non-political.

Son, it's the Supreme Court... (Below threshold)
kim:

Son, it's the Supreme Court that is not supposed to be political. If Bush did not exert executive control over the Department of Justice, how is he to carry out his sworn duty to enforce the laws?

You are on Constitutionally thin ice, and now I know you are intelligent enough to see that. Why don't you?
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Through popular election of... (Below threshold)
kim:

Through popular election of the executive, the people have an important feedback mechanism to the laws under which they must live. Why would you abrupt that mechanism in favor of the legislature?
======================

Note that Wieder implicitly... (Below threshold)
kim:

Note that Wieder implicitly recognizes that Comey and McNulty were working for Schumer rather than Bush.
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Fine then, just rename it f... (Below threshold)
Wieder:

Fine then, just rename it for what it is and call it the Department of Cronies. Then you can just run it in the manner of any 2 bit dictator and cease hawking the concept of "American Justice."

You don't know crap about constitutionality. Is your favorite hero named "Eva" by any chance?

Wieder is pooping his pants... (Below threshold)
kim:

Wieder is pooping his pants with the sound of ice cracking. Won't some kook throw him a rope?
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What, did Eva know a little... (Below threshold)
kim:

What, did Eva know a little more about 'separation of powers' than you do?

And you've godwinned yourself, while proclaiming an antidemocratic point. That's a twofer, your first today.
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Really, guy, just turn it. ... (Below threshold)
kim:

Really, guy, just turn it. Do you think Hillary wants Schumer running the Department of Justice as AG, or Spector as a committee chairman?
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"Note that Wieder implic... (Below threshold)
Wieder:

"Note that Wieder implicitly recognizes that Comey and McNulty were working for Schumer rather than Bush."

Love the logic of a partisan twit! By your irrationality, any DoJ attorney not toeing the Bush/AG Goofus/Rove political hack scenario rather thsn "Justice" is working for ther opposition.

You have proved that you have no standards apart from partisan administration of the law. That is hardly what the Constitution charges.

This is a liberal argument ... (Below threshold)
kim:

This is a liberal argument folks; from a neocon.

C'mon, I know you can't be as dizzy as you look.
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No, I said McNulty and Come... (Below threshold)
kim:

No, I said McNulty and Comey; I did not say everyone. Hyperbole is dramatic and sophistic.

sophist. ::spits::
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"Through popular election o... (Below threshold)
Wieder:

"Through popular election of the executive, the people have an important feedback mechanism to the laws under which they must live"

It is partisans upon whom t... (Below threshold)
kim:

It is partisans upon whom the law is administered. You want to forget that, along with every other autocrat known to history.

Sic semper tyrannis. You ignorant fool.
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"Through popular elec... (Below threshold)
Wieder:

"Through popular election of the executive, the people have an important feedback mechanism to the laws under which they must live"

Anothew BS statement, especially in light of SCOTUS appointing the most recent president after he LOST the popular vote by a half million votes.

Further, in Bush's lame duck days, he, Gonzo the Goofus and Rove have overturned any semblance of "fair enforcement" of the law, now that they are safely out of reach of any corrective voter response.

Keep 'em coming, Weider. Yo... (Below threshold)
Who's John Galt?:

Keep 'em coming, Weider. You're making Jerry Falwell look moderate. And more intelligent. And better-looking.

Weider, Drago has something... (Below threshold)
kim:

Weider, Drago has something for you on the Thompson/Moore thread. You are found out as a useful fool or an evil manipulator. You can't even plead simple ignorance on this one about Thompson and Nixon. Where did you get the idea you had?

And seriously, son, you need to do a little original research about separation of powers. I recommend Discourses on Davila, by John Adams, as a starter.
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You know, a mind is a terri... (Below threshold)
kim:

You know, a mind is a terrible thing to lose to BDS. Is the momentary spasm of righteousness worth the endless compromise of your intellect?
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"And seriously, son, you... (Below threshold)
Wieder:

"And seriously, son, you need to do a little original research about separation of powers"

Your asininity expands with your every post. Your concept of "separation of powers" amounts to a dictatorship of the executive. Whatever reading you may have done on the subject failed to penetrate your limted capabilities. Time to change your drool cup.

kim BTW, Drago's fantasy Th... (Below threshold)
Wieder:

kim BTW, Drago's fantasy Thompson history has been duly anihilated on the other thread.

You see a dictatorship of t... (Below threshold)
kim:

You see a dictatorship of the executive, I see a dictatorship of the bureaucracy. Which can be removed by partisans?

And no, your Thompson/Nixon fantasy history is not as you think and claim.
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"And no, your Thompson/N... (Below threshold)
Wieder:

"And no, your Thompson/Nixon fantasy history is not as you think and claim."

Another one of your silly twit hit and run statements. You couldn't substantiate or prove that absurd statement if your life depended upon it.

Your posts are nearly always cryptic fruitcake whack quips totally devoid of substance or content. Empty your drool cup in a more appropriate place like a toilet.

Oh yeah, so how come Thomps... (Below threshold)
kim:

Oh yeah, so how come Thompson asked the question?

Out of my head and over yours. Sorry.
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Looks like I was right with... (Below threshold)
James Cloninger:

Looks like I was right with my prediction.

With him, past performance ... (Below threshold)
Hillary Clinton:

With him, past performance is always indicative of future results.
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