I love how the right wing can get so many miles from trashing everything Hollywood stands for. But when they need someone to come to the rescue of their pathetic field of candidates, they always look to lightweight B-list actors like Reagen, Sonny Bono, Gopher from the Love Boat, and now Thompson.

How sad is that when Thompson is seen as the savior of the GOP. What did he do when he was in the Senate again? Nothing worth noting...

The Box of Montechristos" by Edgar Allen D'OH!!!

Of course, the whole point of Michael Moore taking the 9/11 workers to Cuba, was to show that even Cuba's health system was better for the average working man than ours.

That Castro is an oppressive dictator is not in doubt; rather, that Castro can be an oppressive dictator with doctors fleeing his regime, and still have a better health system than ours, makes our situation all the more shameful.

Nice attempt to change the subject on Thompson's part, tho.

average wizbang poster:
What exactly does Hollywood stand for?

Thompson was brilliant. He went right to the point. Nicolas Guillen made a documentary that made fun of the lying Communist dictator, Fidel Castro. Castro sent Guillen to a mental hospital for years of electroshock torture.

Juxtapose that end result with what happened when Moore made fun of Bush -- absolutely nothing (except getting embraced by the Democratic party).

How many miles can the left get from claiming that Bush is taking away all our rights and creating a police state? The left, including "average wizbang poster" don't know what a police state is. On the contrary, they seem to defend it at every opportunity. This is also along the lines of what Hollywood stands for.

How in the world is feces and maggots on the floor and all over the hospital better than our hospitals? i ask for you to explain libs?

No one in this country is denied health care. You can say people don't have insurance and you'd be right, but i am also right when i say that nobody is denied health care. even the illegals get it.

LOL!

Yeah, it is sort of funny that the right wing can repudiate Hollywood and then go for actors like Reagan or Arnold and whomever else.

What is also funny is how this has nothing to do with the substance of this particular issue. Who Moore is or who Thompson is has nothing to do with what either man has said about Castro. And actor or not, Thompson is talking about something that puts the left into instant diversionary mode... better to talk about actors than the fact that Castro IS the darling of people like Moore who has made an absolute fortune pandering to the left.

Wacky left, true enough.

So while we wait for the non-wacky left to tell Moore to quit pissing on reason, don't look! Don't look at the obvious lies about what Castro has done to Cuba or the failure of socialized medicine there or, heaven forfend, the fact that a documentary film maker in Cuba gets institutionalized in that "health" system and "treated" for mental illness while HERE in Bushitler's fascist monarchy Moore faces NO threat to himself.

But look!!!

Actors!!!

http://www.captainsquartersblog.com/mt/archives/004070.php

go here for real pics of real cuban hospitals!

"and still have a better health system than ours, makes our situation all the more shameful."

Jim - this is so absurd, I can't even think of a response beyond laughter. Do you know any Cubans? Have you talked with anyone who has left Cuba about their health care?

This is like all those scholars who trumpet the Canadian health care system. Talk to a Canadian who has been waiting for six months just to see a doctor about a pain, and they will tell you their health care sucks.
Next time you get sick, fly down and let Fidel take care of you!

wow.

Love it! Love it! Loveeeeee it! A brilliant stroke of communication genius.

If Fred Thompson could get elected as President, he'd been known as The Next Great Communicator.

Oh sure, Jim.

But how is Cuba's health system better for the *Cuban* "average working man"?

Because I'm sure that Moore just chose, like, an *average* hospital... probably randomly just went where ever he wanted to go and chose one randomly just like, you know, Cuban average working men can do.

And pointing out that the Cuban average film documentary man was given over to the Cuban health care system is NOT changing the subject.

I guess you could say that Cuba has a better health care system if you need electro-shock treatments. Recall that Castro had to be treated by Spanish doctors for his recent ailments.

Whatever Hollywood is standing for, I ain't buying.
socialism/communism- check
narcissism- check
hedonism- check
globalism- check
illegal immigration- check

Fred Thompson is NOT hollywood.

Fred Thompson for President!

/ although I would hate to see how politics and diplomacy forced him to tone it down.

Thompson smoking a stoggy is enough for me to vote for him...a MAN willing to take on the PC police. Now that's balls!

And a puff of fragrent manduro to yah...

I love Fred Thompson!!!!!

That Castro is an oppressive dictator is not in doubt; rather, that Castro can be an oppressive dictator with doctors fleeing his regime, and still have a better health system than ours, makes our situation all the more shameful.
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Jim is a perfect example of how liberals would stoop to make excuse for a known liar like Michael Moore and for a regime like Castro. Just look at the pictures here. Jim thinks that this is better for the average people here. Wow, liberals are really immune to reality

http://publiuspundit.com/2007/04/michael_moore_a_big_fat_sicko.php

Michael Moore should check into a mental institution...

Zinger.

NIce slapdown to Tubby trying to get free publicity for his latest craziness.

Didn't I read somewhere that Castro's doctor is from Spain? Whassup with that? Mickey, you have some 'splainin' to do...

By 'Tubby', do you mean Fred Thompson?

How in the world is feces and maggots on the floor and all over the hospital better than our hospitals?

You mean, like Walter Reed, for instance?

Were these 9/11 workers well treated by the US healthcare system? No.

Did they get treatment in Cuba? Yes.

Let me ask you:
Is it a good sign for the US health system, that these workers were better treated in Cuba? Yes or no?

Gee, now why wouldn't jp2 like Fred's zinger? Hmm, I can't imagine why that would ever be....

Weak sauce.

First, I'd just like to take this moment to point out that I am not now, nor have I ever, denied that Fidel Castro is a fascist dictator who is running an oppressive regime.

So please take that off your list of straw man arguments to throw at me.

Second, Michael Moore is probably more hated by conservatives and Republicans than any other figure, surpassing Jane Fonda or even Bill Clinton. So, if Michael Moore is such an obvious liar, I'd think Fred Thompson would be psyched for the opportunity to crush him.

Instead Fred Thompson changes the subject from US Health care to "Castro's a dictator" - a topic not even in dispute.

This is not honest debating. Sorry.

Yet Castro isn't using a doctor from Cuba. All the good ones must have escaped.

This is not honest debating. Sorry.

Hey, at least you apologized for being dishonest.

jim: "Instead Fred Thompson changes the subject from US Health care to "Castro's a dictator" - a topic not even in dispute."

Wow...what a MORON!! The Subject was the CUBAN Health Care System, and Moore's fawning over it. NOT the US Health Care system.

Geez. Do your knuckles drag right along the ground when you walk? CAN you walk?

What a pathetic, un-presidential response from Thompson. Thinking conservatives must be embarrassed to realize that this asshat was the great last hope for the Republicans in the 08 elections.

I say "was" the great last hope because this video shows he hasn't a prayer. I have never seen a more childish effort from a candidate.

Wow, I'm absolutely amazed - I thought Thompson was a contender...

Jim you arent even intellectually honest and are taking Fred's video comments out of context. Lets look at the order of this debate shall we. Thompson addresses the Cuban healthcare system in a short 4 paragraphs. Moore then writes a letter that opens with this little gem:

"Given that it has been publicly reported in The Weekly Standard, a leading neo-conservative publication, that you support Fidel Castro and the Cuban regime by being a purveyor of fine Cuban exports despite the trade embargo..."

What does that have to do with the healthcare debate? Nothing. Just Moore trying to twist a non-existant dagger.

Second, not a single one of the 5 points that Moore wants to debate has anything to do with health care. Its all about trying to slam a conservative.

Third, Thompson's response was so smart that the 3 of you who rushed to respond missed the whole point and had to have it spelled out for you.

No sire it was Moore who took this debate off of the healthcare system. You would see that if you were honest, but you arent.

Hey, at least you apologized for being dishonest.

No, John - that was actually me, Jim speaking, not Fred Thompson.

I'd say "sorry for the confusion", but that might lead to another incorrect post on your part.

That Castro is an oppressive dictator is not in doubt; rather, that Castro can be an oppressive dictator with doctors fleeing his regime, and still have a better health system than ours, makes our situation all the more shameful.

Nice attempt to change the subject on Thompson's part, tho.
Posted by: jim at May 15, 2007 05:01 PM

The ignorance of you and the entire left when it comes to healthcare is really breathtaking. I don't know whether or not you like to swallow such pathetic propaganda from Tubby or you really believe Cuba has us beat on healthcare. As someone who works in the U.S. healthcare system, I would take great offense at some knob like Michael Moore telling me how great Cuba is. Wonder where he goes when he's sick. All the way to Cuba?

Thinking conservatives must be embarrassed to realize that this asshat was the great last hope for the Republicans in the 08 elections.

Lee, considering the absolute trash coming from your side of the aisle, I wouldn't talk sally. Your party is being overrun by "truthers" and the more and more they come out, the more your party will go into the ashbin.

Wow...what a MORON!! The Subject was the CUBAN Health Care System, and Moore's fawning over it. NOT the US Health Care system.

Justrand, sigh - do you really think Michael Moore's documentary is about the Cuban health care system? Yes or no?

See, I'm of the opinion that Moore's documentary is about the US health care system. I say this, because that's what it's about according to everyone. Go read Variety if you don't believe me.

"Sicko...a critical look at the U.S. health care system."

http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117964520.html?categoryid=13&cs=1

Now, in that documentary, there is apparently a segment where Moore took some American heroes who worked at the 9/11 site to Cuba, because they weren't getting treatment in the US.

He did this to *compare* the two healthcare systems. Therefore the subject is the US healthcare system vs. the Cuban healthcare system.

You understand that, right? If you don't, then let me know and I'll try to explain it more clearly to you.

Are you off your rocker, jim? Pointing out Castro's oppressively violent dictarship is PRECISELY the damn point: How can anyone trust what any dictator ever says or shows you (in this case, "health care facilities") when it comes honestly presenting the true conditions in his country? By his very nature dictators are deceitful and deceptive people who, internally, oppress people while simeltaneously presenting a rosy picture to the world, extrenally.

What's not honest debate is not being allowed to call into question Castro's character and credibility as a dictator and his ability--or lack thereof--to tell the truth or present the true nature on ANY subject or ANY situation.

The ignorance of you and the entire left when it comes to healthcare is really breathtaking.

The willful ignorance of you and the entire right when it comes to healthcare is really breathtaking.

"Wooooo!!!! Be scared!!! SOCIALISM Wooo!!!! European nations BAD! Skyrocketing insurance costs, uninsured families, largest infant mortality rates in the first world, 48 US citizens million without health is GOOD!!!"

"It's broke, don't fix it!"

I don't know whether or not you like to swallow such pathetic propaganda from Tubby or you really believe Cuba has us beat on healthcare.

Once again, by 'Tubby', do you mean Fred Thompson?

As someone who works in the U.S. healthcare system, I would take great offense at some knob like Michael Moore telling me how great Cuba is.

It's a shame that the truth can hurt.

But if you're poor and you have no health insurance and you need to go the hospital what happens? Either a) you lie and give a fake name, or b) you're screwed.

If you work in the healthcare system at all, then you know that that is a reality.

Don't you think we can do better? Honestly?

Wonder where he goes when he's sick. All the way to Cuba?

Of course MOORE can afford the best in US healthcare. That's not the point.

The point is the healthcare that those who AREN'T wealthy can afford. Which is, not much if any at all.

I'll give you me as an example. Last year I had no health insurance. I was a contractor, going from one quick gig to another; couldn't afford it. Fought off a cold. Went to a couple of doctors, no solution. Finally wound up in a hospital due to undiagnosed infection and allergic reaction to medication, compounded by fever and dehydration.

I stayed in the hospital for 3 days. No operations, just medication, rehydrating drip and some doctor examinations.

The cost?

*****$11,000****. Plus expenses. I s--t you not.

WTF.

Oh, snap!

The best part is that this stunt of Castro's is based on a 220 year old precedent that suckered dumbasses back in the day. Does any lefty even understand the phrase "Potemkin village"?

Stalin thought not and he was right, per Wikipedia: "Potemkin village" has also frequently been used to describe the attempts of the Soviet government to fool foreign visitors. The government would take such visitors, who were often already sympathetic to socialism or communism, to select villages, factories, schools, stores, or neighborhoods and present them as if they were typical, rather than exceptional."

Nothing new under the sun, especially leftoid dishonesty.