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Newsweek becomes unhinged; calls Bush mentally ill because he dares to think Iraq is winnable

The Anchoress has a great post about the press trying to do to Bush what it did to Nixon. In particular is Newsweek's patently absurd, on the brink of insane, assertion that Bush is mentally ill because he dares to think the new strategy in Iraq is taking hold and could work. What is Sharon Begley's argument that Bush lives in a perpetual state of denial? When he was seven years old, he tried to comfort his mother after his little sister died from leukemia and the fact that at one time he drank too much alcohol:

Bush could, of course, know full well that the United States cannot achieve its goals in Iraq. If so, then he is lying not to himself but to us (for reasons scientists would have a field day with, but that's another story). But while it's always risky to psychoanalyze a politician from afar, a few things in his past are consistent with the capacity for denial. When he was 7, his baby sister died of leukemia. Bush, while certainly not denying her death, tried to cheer up his grieving mother, saying everything would be OK. Also, those who abuse alcohol, as Bush has admitted doing, typically need to see the world in black and white in order to stay on the wagon. "It's how they control their addiction," says Sulkowicz. "It reflects an inability or refusal to see shades of gray."

What quackery. Not only is Bush's attempts to comfort his broken-hearted mother not a sign of anything remotely close to mental illness, but I'd say reaching for straws in a ridiculous attempt to color that event as a sign of mental illness is a sure sign that Ms. Begley needs to make an appointment with a psychiatrist. It's obvious that she hates President Bush so much that she's the one who's seeing things that aren't there.

Be sure to read all of Anchoress' post.


Comments (89)

Kim: Would... (Below threshold)

Kim:

Would that Newsweek would publish a follow-up article regarding very real, certifiable mental illness known as "Bush Derangement Syndrome".

Is Newsweek still published... (Below threshold)
Metprof:

Is Newsweek still published???? (haven't been to the doc's office in a while)

I saw the analysis a few da... (Below threshold)
Amy:

I saw the analysis a few days ago- it was posted on a Mom's message board I frequent. Not surprisingly, the liberals there thought the analysis was perfectly accurate.

BDS is rapidly progressing ... (Below threshold)
Scrapiron:

BDS is rapidly progressing to insanity. You see it everywhere. The mental health business will boom for years. Fifty million or so democrat voters will all need treatment. Anyone starting college this year should consider the field as wide open to making many multi-millionaire's in the near future.
Metprof, I think the only ones subscribing is the mental health field. No need to look for the rag in a 'real' doctors office. It'll be in the stack with the NY/LA Slimes and other supermarket tabloids.

Bush On The Couch by Justin... (Below threshold)
civil behavior:

Bush On The Couch by Justin Frank

"It is true that blame and denial are arguably as typical of politicians as of alcoholics, though the latter are generally more likely to involve family members in the process. But blame is also a reminder of one's destructive impulse; the individual who hasn't resolved his anxieties surrounding that impulse is particularly motivated to avoid confronting those anxieties, which he can accomplish by shifting responsibility to someone else, or denying it outright.

The untreated alcoholic who has simply stopped drinking treats anxiety as an enemy, and with good reason: He is often more challenged by anxiety because he has lost his time-tested means of numbing its sting. He knows that anxiety is a threat to his abstinence - he fears anything that might lead him back to the bottle - but his years of drinking get in the way of learning other methods to manage uncomfortable feelings. Bush manages his anxiety through his inflexible daily routines - the famously short meetings, sacrosanct exercise schedule, daily Bible readings, and limited office hours. All public appearances are controlled and staged - even the ones that appear to be spontaneous. They have to be."

The whole book is great reading if you want a professionals opinion. Newsweek is late to the game.

"Becomes" unhinged? They'v... (Below threshold)

"Becomes" unhinged? They've been unhinged for YEARS! I'd trust the National Enquirer before the demented liars at Newsweek!

Ahh, so nice to hear from t... (Below threshold)
nikkolai:

Ahh, so nice to hear from the "rational", "compassionant" left. Such pleasant and lovely people. The coming civil war should be interesting.

Gee, a Venn diagram coverin... (Below threshold)

Gee, a Venn diagram covering those who mocked Frist's long-distance diagnosis of Terri Schiavo and those who are praising this long-distance psychoanalysis of Bush would be most enlightening...

J.

Bush in denial! WOW, that ... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:

Bush in denial! WOW, that is a bold statement. It is not like that claim has been made before.

As the article points out BW wrote a book called State of Denial. Your phony outrage over something oft spoken for years now is stunning.

Anyone who counsels patienc... (Below threshold)

Anyone who counsels patience is subject to being accused of being "in denial".

Which "reality" is correct depends on subsequent events.

For example Ronald Reagan was accused of ignoring reality while counselling patience and a "steady as you go" approach to Soviet claims of superiority. But he was basically right, and his critics basically wrong.

Whether Reagan was brilliant is subject to question. But it is demonstrably true that his view of reality was more sound than the view of his critics.

Is the same Newsweek that r... (Below threshold)
Chris G:

Is the same Newsweek that ran the bogus "Koran Flsuhing" story in an attempt to undermine the Administration's use of Guantanamo Bay for holding terrorists caught in combat?

I do believe that story resulted in Muslims rioting and deaths. Then the MSM pretty much circled the wagons around Newsweek, to protect them from the Bush "attack machine", that many would consider an appropriate response to a bogus story that caused more damage than a retraction/correction could repair.

Seriously, Begley's f***ing... (Below threshold)
Peter F.:

Seriously, Begley's f***ing absurd. THAT passes for journalism? On what planet.

It should be noted that thi... (Below threshold)
nogo postal:

It should be noted that this was a blog opinion and not an article that is part of the magazine..

I know..it should have read only Bush/Cheney and the 30% of Americans who still believe we can "win" with our military right are sane,...the other 70% that believe Bush's Failure as the Commander guy requires us to bring the troops home are the insane ones..
May...16 days 49 KIA/3 MIA

Could someone please answer...according to Bush, when will we start bringing troops home?
What does He consider "victory"?
(providing a link would be helpful)

calls Bush mentally ill<... (Below threshold)
Brian:

calls Bush mentally ill

Once again, Kim misrepresents, misreports, misquotes, and invents new things to froth over. You'd think the right would have enough actual things to complain about, rather than finding things to twist with lies.

brain-less you need your PH... (Below threshold)
jhow66:

brain-less you need your PH again.

jhow, remember, Jay told yo... (Below threshold)
Brian:

jhow, remember, Jay told you to mind your manners. Although like I said in our last exchange, if you start expressing yourself with actual points as well as you did when you were bashing yourself, you might make more of a contribution.

Newsweek has been owned par... (Below threshold)
BrandonInBatonRouge:

Newsweek has been owned part-and-parcel by the Dems for quite a while now, so this doesn't surprise me.

Remember the big push from them about how the "Sunshine Boys" of Kerry and Edwards were going to beat Bush and Cheney handily?

Bush has been lied about mo... (Below threshold)
Zelsdorf Ragshaft III:

Bush has been lied about more than any President in modern times. It has been an uphill fight for this man since the day he was elected. He is called crazy because he chooses to do what he says he will do. He is called crazy because he does not bow the will of scum like George Soros. He is called crazy because he believes in America and American ideals. Inspite of what the truly insane on the left think, the weight of the western world rests on George Bush's strong shoulders. Unlike the previous no class President, this man does not attack his detracters. There actually is a vast left wing conspiracy starting with Soros, Kos kids and the left in general. If a true picture of what crazy is, is needed. Just do a compellation of the postings of BarneyG, Brian, Weider and AverageWizbandposter. There are others, but if you just read these three you will come to know insanity. If this President relents, the Middle East will fall to the Islamofascists. That is not paranoid, that is their plan. Their goal is to spread Islam throughout the world, by using the sword as ordered in the koran. Only the leadership on the left fools themselves into thinking they can make deals with these criminals. But then like minds think alike. Both hate what America stands for. I for one, am ready for our next civil war. Where can I find BarneyG.

Hilarious comments. I didn'... (Below threshold)
Catmoves:

Hilarious comments. I didn't know so many people took Dubya seriously. He missed the boat after his aircraft carrier episode (pun intended). That's when he should have pulled the troops out.
So much for him being a "war President".

Catmoves: "He missed the bo... (Below threshold)
Drago:

Catmoves: "He missed the boat after his aircraft carrier episode (pun intended)."

This is the kind of comment that arises when someone, like Catmoves, who is ignorant of Naval tradition and common practices, attempts to "understand" the underlying motives of naval personnel and their techniques.

Every single Navy squadron, ship, submarine, unit speaks in terms of Mission Accomplishment.

The Carrier Bush gave his speech upon was completing its 7 month tour of duty and had accomplished every mission put before it. I know from first hand experience on earlier cruises that we had the same type of banners up and published newsletters which proclaimed "Mission Accomplished!" Our awards boards wrote up citations which specifically detail how missions were accomplished and unit awards are based in part on missions assigned and accomplished and levels of performance in achieving goals.

So, when Bush went aboard the carrier to give his speech, my wife saw the banner and said "hey, just like the ones you guys had when you returned from the first Gulf War".

Exactly.

Catmoves, thanks for playing.

And thanks for supporting (not) the aviators, sailors and Marines of the Lincoln Carrier Strike Group (who did, remember, Accomplish their Mission).

"He is called crazy because... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:

"He is called crazy because he chooses to do what he says he will do." ragshaft

Like his campaign promise to get out of the nation building process or the time he said he would get OBL dead or alive? How about when he promised to fire anyone involved in the Plame scandal? Well at least the insurgents listened to the Prez when he issued his challenge to "Bring it on"!

Wow. George. W. Bush is tur... (Below threshold)
89:

Wow. George. W. Bush is turning John. J. Sheridan

Wow. George. W. Bush is tur... (Below threshold)
89:

Wow. George. W. Bush is turning John. J. Sheridan

Wow. George. W. Bush is tur... (Below threshold)
89:

Wow. George. W. Bush is turning into John. J. Sheridan.

BarneyG: "Like his campaign... (Below threshold)
Drago:

BarneyG: "Like his campaign promise to get out of the nation building process or the time he said he would get OBL dead or alive?"

Franklin Roosevelt during 1940 election: "I will not send American boys to fight in a European War."

Why didn't he keep that promise? And remember, FDR is a hero to the libs (not necessarily the leftists since he wasn't a communist).

BarneyG: "How about when he promised to fire anyone involved in the Plame scandal?"

Debunked too many times to recap again. Suffice to say that GWB said he would fire anyone involved in improper activity. Nice try though Barney. A lie a day is never enough for you.

Hey Drago, thanks for the h... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:

Hey Drago, thanks for the history lesson. I'll use that the next time FDR invades a country. Oh that's right, he is not the President anymore!

By the way, he didn't break his promise. We were attacked by Japan and German declared war on us.

Also, Bush said: "anyone involved in the leaking of her identity will not be apart of this administration". It was only after Rove and Libby were busted did he modify his statement to include illegal activity.

GWB a man of his word, indeed!

Suffice to say that GWB ... (Below threshold)
Brian:

Suffice to say that GWB said he would fire anyone involved in improper activity. Nice try though Barney.

Wow, nice try yourself... to rewrite history, that is. Unfortunately for you, there's a record of what Bush said.

I'm surprised you would make such an easily debunked and false assertion.

Brian: "Wow, nice try yours... (Below threshold)
Drago:

Brian: "Wow, nice try yourself... to rewrite history, that is. Unfortunately for you, there's a record of what Bush said."

Yes there is, unfortunately for you, there is always more to the story than the lefties like Brian will "share" with you (since ALL the facts tends to make them into rather large liars.)

Brians own link to a Washington Post article contains these top paragraphs:

"President Bush said yesterday that he will fire anyone in the administration found to have committed a crime in the leaking of a CIA operative's name, creating a higher threshold than he did one year ago for holding aides accountable in the unmasking of Valerie Plame.

After originally saying anyone involved in leaking the name of the covert CIA operative would be fired, Bush told reporters: "If somebody committed a crime, they will no longer work in my administration."

However, there is ALWAYS more to the story than what the dhimmies will tell you. Tom Maguire summarizes it nicely:

"Sept. 2003: Bush says, "[I]f there is a leak out of my administration, I want to know who it is. And if the person has violated law, the person will be taken care of. . . . If somebody did leak classified information, I'd like to know it, and we'll take the appropriate action."

June 2004: Bush is asked, "[D]o you still stand by what you said several months ago, a suggestion that it might be difficult to identify anybody who leaked the agent's name? . . . [A]nd do you stand by your pledge to fire anyone found to have done so?" Bush answered, "Yes."

Today, Bush said, "If someone committed a crime, they will no longer work in my administration."

Here's how Maguire reads it: Bush originally said he would fire anyone who committed a crime in leaking Plame's identity. Bush was then asked a question with a false premise: that he had said he would fire anyone who had leaked Plame's name. He said that he stood by his earlier pledge, but unwittingly seemed to accept the reporter's unwitting modification of it. He is now restating the original pledge.

It seems to me that the original comment was ambiguous: If you read "leak classified information" to include non-criminal leaking of classified information, and read "take the appropriate action" as a euphemism for firing, you can say that Bush was pledging to fire the leaker even if no crime occurred. The June 2004 question could then have been a question designed to reduce the ambiguity in the original statement."

Google. The lefts worst enemy (except when Google helps the Chicoms.)


Drago, I guess it depends o... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:

Drago, I guess it depends on your definition of "is" is.

It is OK for Bush to do it because he brought honor and integrity back to the White House. Ha Ha

'Newsweek' ? Isn't that the... (Below threshold)
_Mike_:

'Newsweek' ? Isn't that the publication that thought it was possible to flush a book down a toilet ? Only a place where they produce an excessive amount of crap would have plumbing sufficient to pull that off....

BTW, it's hardly surprising... (Below threshold)
Drago:

BTW, it's hardly surprising that some lefty Newsweek writer is pulling the "Bush is insane" card out of the hat.

For those who know some history, claiming people are crazy for their policy views has a long and proud tradition on the left, from the Soviets using mental illness as the rationale for why some individuals want freedom and then putting them in asylums with electroshock treatments.

Further, on this very blogsite we were treated to Fred Thompson "schooling" MMoore on how Castro treats his dissidents (surprise: they're crazy, inprisoned and given electro-shocks!)

In this country, we've seen Dept's of Social Work classify religious conservatives as defective mentally, and therefore "unfit" to administer Gov't programs for the poor, etc.

We've also seen academics classify certain conservative values and beliefs as mentally defective.

This is necessary since anyone with a brain can see that leftist policies don't work in the real world, since it is inhabited by real humans with real natures and we all know that real humans with real natures prove surprisingly resistant to efforts by the lefties to create the "new Soviet Man", or "new Chinese Man", "or new Korean Man", or "new Cuban Man", or......the list goes on and on.

Yet the left continues.

It's actually kinda fun wat... (Below threshold)
nikkolai:

It's actually kinda fun watching the dinosaur media flop around in the midst of what surely is their death throes. And good riddance to bad rubbish. Predicted death of the NYT's (the worst of the worst)--sometime in 2009....

BarneyG: "Drago, I guess it... (Below threshold)
Drago:

BarneyG: "Drago, I guess it depends on your definition of "is" is."

Actually, it isn't.

BarneyG: "It is OK for Bush to do it because he brought honor and integrity back to the White House."

For Bush to do....what exactly?

To summarize (for the BarneyG's of the world):

Bush's initial statement is that he will fire anyone involved in illegal activities.

A reporter later lays out a question with a false premise that Bush responds to by saying "yes" to his pledge (which obviously the reporter and Bush disagreed upon).

Bush then reiterates his original position.

Wow. What a real "what's the meaning of "is" is" moment.........not.

Next lie Barney. You're falling behind your usual standard. Better head on over to Media Matters for more ammo.

Brian: "I'm surprised you w... (Below threshold)
Drago:

Brian: "I'm surprised you would make such an easily debunked and false assertion."

Wow. How's that "easily debunked and false assertion" charge working out for you?

By the way, how's that "70%" mandate working out for the Dems?

Apparently, it's working out so well that Nancy P is going to alter the rules of the house (relating to germaness) to completely cut off the minority party from exercising rights it has held since 1822.

Since 1822.

1822.

Yep. Good to see the Dems returning "integrity" to the House.

How's William Jefferson doing?

Just an additional note fro... (Below threshold)
Drago:

Just an additional note from my posting above which quotes the Washington Post story.

Notice how the Washington Post characterizes Bush's statment: "After originally saying anyone involved in leaking the name of the covert CIA operative would be fired,..."

When, actually, Bush never SAID that. The actual transcript (things that libs don't often review (see Africa does not equal Niger, and attempts to acquire does not mean "purchased"), shows that Bush actually provided a ONE WORD response to a question with multiple parts and a false premise.

Back to you Brian, but don't ask BryanD for help, he his congenitally incapable of providing links to sources other than Media Matters and Pravda.

Drago:I see your J... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:

Drago:

I see your Jefferson and raise you: McNulty, Sampson, Gooding, Safavian, Foley, Libby, Cunningham, Delay...

Do I have to go on or are you willing to fold?

"Back to you Brian, ... (Below threshold)
bryanD:


"Back to you Brian, but don't ask BryanD for help,"_Drago

Still queer for my gear, I see...

Too nice outside. Beer and semi-nude girls. Continue w/o me.


Drago, so your basic argume... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:

Drago, so your basic argument is that Rove gets to keep his job because he only lied about his involvement in leaking classified information (see Scotty McC.) in violation of his non disclosure agreement?

I am so glad to finally understand Bush's definition of honer and integrity (H&I, not what it use to be).

So young George told his mo... (Below threshold)
Wethal:

So young George told his mother that everything would be OK. Sound theology for a kid. "All things work together for good for those who love the Lord." And of course, the Anchoress would recognize her ancestress, Julian of Norwich's counsel, "All shall be well, and all shall be well, and all manner of thing shall be well."

HA! Drago is kicking ass a... (Below threshold)
Jo:

HA! Drago is kicking ass and taking names.

Whooo hoooo!

P.S. I haven't paid attent... (Below threshold)
Jo:

P.S. I haven't paid attention to Newsweek in years. And I believe thier "Conventional Wisdom Watch" section with the up/down arrows is written by the liberal Jonathan Alter. That's their idea of objective. Snort.

We're so ON to these people, it ain't funny.

BarneyG: "Do I have to go o... (Below threshold)
Drago:

BarneyG: "Do I have to go on or are you willing to fold?"

Fold?

Why?

Nothing hurts a movement more than corruption in its ranks. Anyone who breaks a law deserves what they get.

Do I have to list all of the Dems involved in illegal fundraising who actually, no kidding, FLED the country??

But I'm not for a moment assuming you support them.

Lets just agree to kick out the corrupt ones.

The only problem with that is the repubs kick theirs out, the Dems reward SOME of theirs.

bryand: "Too nice outside. ... (Below threshold)
Drago:

bryand: "Too nice outside. Beer and semi-nude girls. Continue w/o me."

For once, just this once, you are forgiven.

Drago is doing a fine job w... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

Drago is doing a fine job with the loonies but he should not waste the effort. Their reality is much different then the facts state. There sky is green. Up is down, good is bad and most of all, bad is good. ww

"The only problem with that... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:

"The only problem with that is the repubs kick theirs out, the Dems reward SOME of theirs." Drago

Drago, do you want to go over to Redstate and read the petition to Boner on Rep Calvert? Here is one:
"Are you aware that Ken Calvert paid a heroin addicted prostitute for oral sex?"

Yea that is guy that should be rewarded to a committee seat.

Drago, do you want to go ov... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

Drago, do you want to go over to Redstate and read the petition to Boner on Rep Calvert? Here is one:
"Are you aware that Ken Calvert paid a heroin addicted prostitute for oral sex?"

Yea that is guy that should be rewarded to a committee seat.
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Yes, and a conservative blog declare wars on Rep leadership? What have the liberals done? Trying to divert attention to cover up for their terrorist-cheering leaders in Congress? Are they declaring war on the Dem leaders to get rid of Jefferson? Still trying to cover up known liars like Wilson/Plame? How about Kerry, Clinton etc...?

Newsweek simply a projection of the liberal sew*ge. 33% of the dems could believe that Bush was behind 9/11, no wonder they can spew this garbage. They simply project their own garbage on others.

BarneyG, you do realize, do... (Below threshold)
Drago:

BarneyG, you do realize, don't you, that with every post you only prove my point more.

Redstate, a conservative blog, is LEADING the charge to de-power-ize Rep Calvert, a Republican, for what is obviously some shady dealing.

Where are the comparable calls for action on the part of liberals/leftists against corrupt dems?

Can you link to one? I mean, for you, BarneyG, to have a leg to stand on here, you should be able to show one.

We'll wait patiently.

Now, since this little tangental reverie is about over, lets revert back to thread topic, which is how, once again, the left, in all its forms (communism, leftist academia, leftist & socialistic govt agencies) continues to make use of the "insanity" accusation against conservative ideas, beliefs, values and individuals, all because the INTELLECTUAL BASIS and HISTORY of leftism, collectivism and general socialism is a mind-numbing collection of soul-stripping oppressive destruction of individuals and their ability to achieve as individuals.

(just a minor little thread topic which should'nt take more than a few lines of post to clear up......)

ya know...Just maybe... (Below threshold)
nogo postal:

ya know...
Just maybe folks here maintain full confidence in President Bush...after all..with the surge we have finally turned the corner to victory in Iraq..
..after all the attacks against AG Gonzalas are the result of the liberal MSM...our economy is booming with record levels in the stock market..
The high gas prices have been explained by the oil companies and are to be expected...
Polls do not count...(when was the last we were a part of any poll?)
Iran is toast...
A serious threat to Ft. Dix was stopped...
The housing/mortgage scam is exposed because the house next to us sold...
Global warming has been exposed as another Soros/Gore lie...
Employment with jobs over $30,000 a year are at an all-time high..
Only losers whine about the cost of medical care(it is only high because of law suits and illegals)...
At what time will the majority of America look up
and realize...how great things really are?

Just when I think I have se... (Below threshold)
Lorie Byrd:

Just when I think I have seen it all...

This is absurd and, frankly, disgusting.

All the SEVEN YEAR OLD Bush's actions prove is that he has always been a compassionate human being,even as a child. Liberals see that as deranged. It is no wonder they have everything upside down.

Liberals are terrified by the prospect that we could succeed in Iraq. They are terrified to the point that they are actively sabotaging the effort by doing all they can to erode public support, including hiding any good news from the region. It is beyond disgraceful.

"Rosie is Insane"...headlin... (Below threshold)
nogo postal:

"Rosie is Insane"...headline post by Lorie at Wizbang on 3/30/2007
Yep..only the damn lefty's would pretend to make psychological value judgments...
c'mon...of course Rosie is insane..so there is a difference...
...

Gee, a Venn diagram cove... (Below threshold)
mantis:

Gee, a Venn diagram covering those who mocked Frist's long-distance diagnosis of Terri Schiavo and those who are praising this long-distance psychoanalysis of Bush would be most enlightening...

Heh. Indeed. The president doesn't seem mentally ill to me, just a bit lacking...

One reason I like to highlight reading is, reading is the beginnings of the ability to be a good student. And if you can't read, it's going to be hard to realize dreams, it's going to be hard to go to college. So when your teachers say, read -- you ought to listen to her.

It is hard to go to college if you can't read. Lacking the ability to speak coherently, however, will not keep you out of Yale, Harvard business school, or the White House. What a country!

"..continues to make use of... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:

"..continues to make use of the "insanity" accusation against conservative ideas, .." Drago

Talk about going off topic! The commentary is about denial and not insanity. This is not the first time the 'bush is in denial' claim has come up, so I don't understand what the outrage from he right is about.

Here is a little exercise. Go count the number of times Bush declared progress in Iraq. Sounds like denial to me.

Go count the number of time... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

Go count the number of times Bush declared progress in Iraq. Sounds like denial to me.
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Please count the number of times the terrorist-cheering liberal dems declared the US military as Nazis and we need to surrender to the terrorists.

Still don't see liberals waging war against their terrorist-cheering leaders yet.

"terrified"...it is no surp... (Below threshold)
nogo postal:

"terrified"...it is no surprise Lorie that you remained locked in terror..
Yep..Dems may be terrified..that more brave volunteers forced into 2nd and third deployments will be subject to injury/death/capture on behalf of an Iran/Shia Iraqi govt..
I hear this crap about the disgace of the Iraqi govt taking 2 months off this summer..what does it matter..they are doing nothing now..

Is there any loss of life/MIA/Wounded that is acceptable to you folks?

At what point in time will you recognize that Bush is not some regular guy from Texas..but an elitist from an established family whose home base is in the Northeast?
Those that defend this man just maybe are the same who get excited when they get a question right on "Are you smarter than a fifth-grader"

Please count the number ... (Below threshold)
mantis:

Please count the number of times the terrorist-cheering liberal dems declared the US military as Nazis and we need to surrender to the terrorists.

Did a quick Google search: zero times.

LA...ya know..I have read y... (Below threshold)
nogo postal:

LA...ya know..I have read your posts for awhile..
I gotta say your posting name...pretends like you, are yourself an immigrant..and of course you are not..
...not that there is anything wrong with that....

Mantis, Didn't wor... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

Mantis,
Didn't work too hard there. Here are just a few by a quick Google search

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,159748,00.html
http://www.captainsquartersblog.com/mt/archives/009992.php
http://ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=264123134498383
Legislative Failure: For all the promises of its new Democratic leaders, Congress seems truly interested in doing only one thing: surrendering in Iraq

Those that defend this man ... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

Those that defend this man just maybe are the same who get excited when they get a question right on "Are you smarter than a fifth-grader"
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Bush is definitely smarter than you. I guess if he is that stupid, how could he be behind 9/11? Yet 33% of the dems (all are liberals I guess) can believe that. So a lot of liberals are not smarter than a 5th grader?

nogo: "At what point in tim... (Below threshold)
Drago:

nogo: "At what point in time will you recognize that Bush is not some regular guy from Texas..but an elitist from an established family whose home base is in the Northeast?"

Is that why the libs love Ted Kennedy?

Sorry I was offline while y... (Below threshold)
Brian:

Sorry I was offline while you were writing your novella there, Drago, but you've done nothing but show Bush saying exactly what I said he said, followed by a whole lot of hand-waving "but what he really meant was...". I'm sorry, but you've really disappointed Sock Puppet Jo.

nogo: ""Rosie is Insane"...... (Below threshold)
Drago:

nogo: ""Rosie is Insane"...headline post by Lorie at Wizbang on 3/30/2007
Yep..only the damn lefty's would pretend to make psychological value judgments..."

Yep, (in hillary twang) cuz I ain't never seen me no fire that could melt steel, nawsir, I ain't never heard of it neither.

Rosie's not insane. She's just stupid beyond belief.

Brian: " but you've done no... (Below threshold)
Drago`:

Brian: " but you've done nothing but show Bush saying exactly what I said he said, followed by a whole lot of hand-waving "but what he really meant was...". I'm sorry, but you've really disappointed Sock Puppet Jo."

Thanks Brian for again showing that "reading comprehension" is not your strong suit.

You see, as even the Washington Post points out (and that YOU linked to), Bush NEVER UTTERED THE WORDS THAT YOU CLAIM HE DID.

Can I make it more simple than that?

I'll summarize one more time:
ush's initial statement is that he will fire anyone involved in illegal activities.

A reporter later lays out a question with a false premise that Bush responds to by saying "yes" to his pledge (which obviously the reporter and Bush disagreed upon).

Bush then reiterates his original position.

Do we need to cover this ground again?

Let me know Brian, and good luck with your high school social science quiz tomorrow.

Nogo, STFU. Experts like y... (Below threshold)
Zelsdorf Ragshaft III:

Nogo, STFU. Experts like you allowed Hitler to thrive. Please explain what the job of our Military is. When I served our job was to kill people and break things. In the process of doing that, some of us got killed. I am suprised you have set the bar so low for calling it a defeat. Seems the only fight in the democrats is with George W. Bush. They cannot beat him in elections so they attack him with lies. Lorie is correct. The Democrats and the left are terrified of a victory in Iraq. Even if surrendering now would mean we would have to go back in a couple of years because al Qaeda forced us to return through acts like 9/11 which caused us to act in Afghanistan. BG, you do not know what the words Honor and integrity even mean, as they do not exist in your reality. None of the people you look up to have those qualities. When the civil war starts, I want you.

Brian: "Sorry I was offline... (Below threshold)
Drago:

Brian: "Sorry I was offline while you were writing your novella there, .."

Sorry that it was too much for you to handle, which is disappointing given that part of it was an excerpt of the very article you linked to.

You do READ what you excerpt, don't you? I mean, I know it's a habit of lefties to read headlines and assume something validates their already fully formed opinions, but you really should take the time to more closely examine what you link to.

Thanks again for playing. I'm sure you'll do well at Tech school next fall.

Let me know Brian, and ... (Below threshold)
Jo:

Let me know Brian, and good luck with your high school social science quiz tomorrow.

LOL.

Let me know Brian, and ... (Below threshold)
Jo:

Let me know Brian, and good luck with your high school social science quiz tomorrow.

LOL.

Mantis: "lease count the nu... (Below threshold)
Drago:

Mantis: "lease count the number of times the terrorist-cheering liberal dems declared the US military as Nazis and we need to surrender to the terrorists.

Did a quick Google search: zero times."

Mantis, what phrases/words did you use to do your search (so that we may compare it with the claim in the statement above).

Seriously.

Mantis, what phrases/wor... (Below threshold)
mantis:

Mantis, what phrases/words did you use to do your search (so that we may compare it with the claim in the statement above).

It was really just a sarcastic response, but here.

Mantis: "It was really just... (Below threshold)
Drago:

Mantis: "It was really just a sarcastic response.."

I know. No big deal.

I couldn't help but notice that if anyone actually attempted to google using the exact or close approximations of the criteria listed that it would be impossible to come up with any hits.

I mean, first of all, how do you work in "terrorist-cheering liberal dems"?? That alone guarantees zero hits.

On the other hand, BryanD is out there drinking beer and looking at semi-nude women.

Bastard.

Zels... simple questions<br... (Below threshold)
nogo postal:

Zels... simple questions
What is victory?
What successes in our Iraq policy have led you to believe this?
Do you have any relatives on their 2nd or third tour?
Yep..More more more...is the answer..
Do people here really believe that the addition of more names..more pictures are necessary?
I am waiting for fellow Nam era Vets who believe friends lost over there..and over here..made any sense...
May we all die..before our children die..


nogonutjob: "What is victor... (Below threshold)
Drago:

nogonutjob: "What is victory?"

Denying the enemy the use of Iraqi territory for establishment of an advance base to project their power further in the region. Further, denying the enemy the ability to coerce the oil-rich government of Iraq into funding their activities while simultaneously using portions of those funds to advance their capabilities in acquisition of weapons of greater (or mass) destruction.

Nogonutjob: "What successes in our Iraq policy have led you to believe this?"

The enemy has not been able to establish a base of operations from which they can project their power further in the region and the fact that the enemy has not acquired the means to propagate destruction on a scale greater than currently seen.

nogonutjob: "Do you have any relatives on their 2nd or third tour?"

Yes

Nogonutjob: "Yep..More more more...is the answer..
Do people here really believe that the addition of more names..more pictures are necessary?"

The only real alternative which would result in victory is war conducted with the ferocity as that of WWII, which is politically possible thanks to the Nogo's of the world.

Nogonutjob: "I am waiting for fellow Nam era Vets who believe friends lost over there..and over here..made any sense..."

We could also ask the millions of people murdered in indochina after our retreat from vietnam if it was worth it......oh wait, we can't actually do that.

nogonutjob: "May we all die..before our children die.."

May we all live our lives and defend our values to ensure the freedoms that we currently have pass on to future generations.

You see, as even the Was... (Below threshold)
Brian:

You see, as even the Washington Post points out (and that YOU linked to), Bush NEVER UTTERED THE WORDS THAT YOU CLAIM HE DID.

First of all, I never claimed he uttered any specific words, so showing that an article does not contain the words that I never said he uttered is an empty point.

Secondly, repeating the quote where Bush later changes his position (even though it's from the article THAT I LINKED TO) does nothing to change what he said the first time. (And why you think referring to the same article that I did is some sort of "gotcha" is unclear.)

And speaking of what he said the first time, let's look at what he said in the quotes that YOU YOURSELF POSTED, FROM YOUR POST, DON'T YOU READ WHAT YOU EXCERPT, yadda yadda, gloat gloat (hmmph, I dunno... you may think that this tactic makes for a valid argument, but I don't get it).

Anyway, you yourself defended the generally accepted meaning with your own analysis:

If you read "leak classified information" to include non-criminal leaking of classified information, and read "take the appropriate action" as a euphemism for firing, you can say that Bush was pledging to fire the leaker even if no crime occurred.

Yes, you "can say". If you take Bush at what he said in plain English, rather than concocting some revisionist explanation for it after the fact.

So my reading comprehension is just fine, thanks. Though at least your continued attempts to explain "what Bush really meant rather than what he said is..." continue to provide entertainment for poor little Sock Puppet Jo.

nogo: "What is victory?"</p... (Below threshold)
Drago:

nogo: "What is victory?"

Part of the problem in discussing these things with strategic dunces like nogo is getting them to understand some very basic concepts.

First, we will not achieve "victory" simply by "winning" in Iraq.

The enemy is not simply in Iraq. They are in a hundred different locales (see Phillipines, Thailand, India, the list is endless.)

The BATTLE of Iraq is simply one of many fronts upon which this war is being, and will continue to be, waged.

Defeating the Germans and Italians in North Africa and Sicily did not result in "victory". It simply resulted in the securing of what both sides believed was a vital theatre in the larger war.

Iraq is a vital theatre in this global conflict. How do we know this. Because our enemies proclaim it as such and are pouring resources into it.

The left wants to pretend there is no global conflict, that Bush and joooos simply made it all up. Of course, that doesn't explain all of history prior to January 2001.

Here's a little tidbit for the left: You are at war when your enemies decide you are (by their actions), not when YOU decide YOU are. When YOU decide YOU are not at war when your enemies act differently, you have simply surrendered.

Which is exactly what the dems propose.

Which is exactly what bin laden predicted.

Who is right? The right, or the left+binladen?

We'll know soon enough.

Just as we'll know soon enough that retreating in the face of an advancing enemy never really slows them down. Odd that, eh?

New First of all, I never c... (Below threshold)
Drago:

New First of all, I never claimed he uttered any specific words,..."

Old Brian: "but you've done nothing but show Bush saying exactly what I said he said,"

Brian, he lies so often, so fast, even he can't keep up with it....

Brian: "If you read "leak classified information" to include non-criminal leaking of classified information, and read "take the appropriate action" as a euphemism for firing, you can say that Bush was pledging to fire the leaker even if no crime occurred."

That's correct. AT BEST, it's ambiguous, but 2 out of 3 times it was completely UNAMBIGUOUS what was meant by the CLEAR language used.

Brian is actually losing Reading comprehension points.

Not surprising. Not even mildly.

Bwahahahahaha......Drago on... (Below threshold)
Jo:

Bwahahahahaha......Drago on a roll. Love it!

Win, lose, draw... we gotta... (Below threshold)
kim:

Win, lose, draw... we gotta referee; who else will?
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brain-less you and the word... (Below threshold)
jhow66:

brain-less you and the word "manners" in the same sentence is like having bryanDirtbag and the word "sane" in the same sentence. Sorry gotta call them as I see them.

Is Newsweek still publis... (Below threshold)
James Cloninger:

Is Newsweek still published????

Well, it makes a decent toilet paper in an emergency. Though my cats won't use it, they prefer the Wall Street Journal.

Try googling "Durbin guanta... (Below threshold)
James Cloninger:

Try googling "Durbin guantanamo nazi", and also "Naomi Wolf guardian fascist Bush"

First, we will not achie... (Below threshold)
James Cloninger:

First, we will not achieve "victory" simply by "winning" in Iraq.

It's sort of like "winning" WWII by chasing the Germans out of France or out of Algeria.

Oops, sorry Drago, you made... (Below threshold)
James Cloninger:

Oops, sorry Drago, you made that comparison already.

The BATTLE of Iraq is si... (Below threshold)
mantis:

The BATTLE of Iraq is simply one of many fronts upon which this war is being, and will continue to be, waged.

Defeating the Germans and Italians in North Africa and Sicily did not result in "victory". It simply resulted in the securing of what both sides believed was a vital theatre in the larger war.

Iraq is a vital theatre in this global conflict. How do we know this. Because our enemies proclaim it as such and are pouring resources into it.

How long did it take for the Allies to defeat the German and Italian armies in North Africa? And the rest of Europe? What level of guerrilla warfare/terrorist attacks were there?

How long will it take Iraq to be free of enemy forces, thus securing this theatre for the allies, er, coalition? For how long will violence in Iraq increase until that time, and with what total amount of destruction? Will eventual elimination of the enemies in Iraq result in decreased worldwide terrorism or increased? If increased, for how long? Is there any other option that has the possibility of lessening terrorist attacks? If so, is the primary objection against such an option that it would be labeled "surrender" by some?

In Sistani we Trust, mantis... (Below threshold)
Hillary Clinton:

In Sistani we Trust, mantis; he's a moderate Shia, believes in Democracy and has the ear and heart of the people. He'll sort it out.
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Brian, he lies so often,... (Below threshold)
Brian:

Brian, he lies so often, so fast, even he can't keep up with it....

No, that's just you taking two statements that differ, and trying to paint them as the same. A valiant effort. You got at least Jo and several of her sock puppets to fall for it (though the threshold for that is embarrassingly low).

2 out of 3 times it was completely UNAMBIGUOUS what was meant by the CLEAR language used.

Yes, exactly. That's what I keep trying to explain to you. But then you keep taking that clear language and trying to spin it as "what he meant to say is..."

Sorry gotta call them as... (Below threshold)
Brian:

Sorry gotta call them as I see them.

I can't believe you're going to fall back into your same pattern of posting nothing but childish name-bending insults. Even after Jay told you to knock it off. And even after I pointed out that you wrote a perfectly clear and well-reasoned essay on why you think that you're "too dumb" to write perfectly clear and well-reasoned essays.

But for some reason, I guess you feel better about yourself thinking that you're good at nothing except twisting names into insults. OK, if that's all that you want to get from this forum, carry on, I guess.

Mantis, I know you know the... (Below threshold)
Zelsdorf Ragshaft III:

Mantis, I know you know the comparison between WWII and WWIV is not a good one. Half of this country is not yet joined the fight. The left refuses to recognize reality when it comes to the enemy, claming each separate battle is a war in it self. If America were to fight this as a total war like we fought WWII, Iraq and Afghanistan would have been leveled. I wonder what it would cost in todays dollars to instituted the equivilent of the Truman doctrine to rebuild a totally destroyed Iraq and Afghanistan. By the way, we lost more soldiers KIA in the first 6 months of WWII than we have in all of WWIV. If you war wondering WWIII was the cold war.

Is this a glitch from the a... (Below threshold)

Is this a glitch from the archives?

Sorry, but Newsweak "bec[a]me unhinged" back in the '90s when the current lefty editor took over.

Not to say they haven't had a few good writers and reporters since then . . . it's just that they've become the exception. The rag is no longer a primary source for news, or insight on the news. Their circulation shows it.

Brian: "No, that's just you... (Below threshold)
Drago:

Brian: "No, that's just you taking two statements that differ, and trying to paint them as the same."

Nope. You lose again (not surprisingly).

Bush had made 1 public statement. The next "event" was a question, in two parts, with a false premise, that was delivered to Bush as he was attempting to answer the first part. Bush's total "statement" at this "event" was a 1 Word Answer (NOT A STATEMENT). When was the last time someone issued a "statement" that was only 1 word in length??

This is the problem with Brian. The reporter issued two statements, in form of questions, with a faulty premise (which is clearly easy to see from the actual transcript). Brian keeps claiming that Bush said something differently the second time around.

No he didn't.

Its very clear if you actually watch the video of it. The reporter and Bush were talking past each other and it's not even clear that Bush had actually heard the whole question (in all its multipart and faulty premise glory.)

The fact that Brian and his brain-dead ilk are attempting to spin this into Bush saying point-blank that he would fire anyone simply involved in the leaking of plames name is ridiculous beyond belief.

But just like the "Mission Accomplished" nonsense and the lies the left tells about "Bush said Iraq had attempted to acquire yellowcake from Niger", once it's in the lefty playbook, it ain't coming out since the truthiness of it is too good to discard, even if it is a lie.


Brian: "Yes, exactly. That's what I keep trying to explain to you. But then you keep taking that clear language and trying to spin it as "what he meant to say is...""

No, I'm not.

See, you can't even discern what I am saying, no wonder other exchanges leave you confused.

Bush only offered 2 statements. Both were precisely in accord with each other. One occurred before a Q&A with reporters, one after.

The Q&A bit has already been covered in ad nauseum detail (yet you do not see), and the full extent of Bushs "statement" was the answer "yes", (not a statement at all.)

So Brian, I fully expect you in the future to present this as the "smoking gun" statement of Bush to reporter: "yes".

Be sure to include the question, in all its parts, just as the reporter asked it, in your posting.

Of course you won't, since it would demolish the "point" you are vainly trying to make.

Rove didn't leak Val; Novak... (Below threshold)
kim:

Rove didn't leak Val; Novak came to him with her name and position, which he got from Armitage. Bush accepted Armitage's resignation. Any problems?

Joe Wilson blew whatever cover Val Plame had and everything else is just hogwash.
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