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Bill Maher Thinks he Knows More than the Troops about Iraq

This is shocking even for Bill Maher. In a recent post at HuffPo, Maher actually claims to know more than the troops in Iraq -- about what is going on in Iraq.

Since this war began the number of soldiers in Iraq who think Saddam Hussein was responsible for 9/11 has stunned us all. We continue to be surprised by the number of troops over there who still think we're winning, convinced we're doing good, and that if America pulls out they will follow us home.

The military sent to Iraq some of the most educated soldiers in a generation. More have high school degrees than those who served in Vietnam.

But that doesn't mean they know anything.

The point of his post was supposed to be to say those in the military should not be denied access to YouTube, MySpace and some other sites, but it turned into an excuse to insult the troops serving in Iraq. As for this quote, "We continue to be surprised by the number of troops over there who still think we're winning, convinced we're doing good, and that if America pulls out they will follow us home" -- don't include me in your "we". The only reason Maher and those he includes in his "we" are surprised by the number of troops who think we're winning and that we are doing good there is because he and his "we" believe everything they hear coming from the mouths of Democrats seeking to gain political advantage on the backs of those serving and they believe the one-sided mainstream media coverage they see.


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Myself, I'd prefer the Pent... (Below threshold)
Rickbert:

Myself, I'd prefer the Pentagon had gone to Congress and asked for the funds to upgrade their networks so sites like YouTube wouldn't be such a bandwidth burden.

But I'm at something of a loss to know what information Maher thinks is available on YouTube that is not available for the troops in some less graphically intensive format. I doubt he's implying that soldiers are too dumb to read, and can only watch video.

He'd have to have been paying closer attention to what he was saying for that. Maybe Maher should spend more time on the internet reading, and less time writing?

So you think it's al... (Below threshold)
dr lava:


So you think it's alright for the troops to believe the ridiculous GOP talking points as long as they continue to sacrafice their lives for a failed policy.

It doesn't bother you that in order to delay a realization of a massive mistake on your part, in supporting this catastrophic debacle, you are willing to let young men and women die in Iraq for NOTHING.

Once again let me say that I know you vile killers. You were around in 1968 cheering on Nixon and the senseless murder of our young soldiers then and you have crawled out of the sludge once again to cheer on this fool of a president and his debacle of a war.

Man....how can you people sleep at night.

We continue to be... (Below threshold)
Jumpinjoe:
We continue to be surprised by the number of troops over there who still think we're winning, convinced we're doing good, and that if America pulls out they will follow us home

"I" continue to be surprised by the number of lefties that are so stupid to claim those actually over there have "lying eyes" while in the mean time they believe this guy with the constant bloodshot eyes.

Once again let me... (Below threshold)
Jumpinjoe:
Once again let me say that I know you vile killers.

Yes we know that WAS NOT directed at those that indiscriminately kill women and children in the name of their religion.

Since you are a moronic lefty moonbat of the first degree, that was a given.

dr. lava:Man..... (Below threshold)
marc:

dr. lava:

Man....how can you people sleep at night.

Very easily knowing we all have a raving lunatic such as yourself as an example of what NOT to do in life.

As far as Maher goes, despite the bone he throws (...sent to Iraq some of the most educated soldiers in a generation) the reast reasd as it were torn out of scary kerry's playbook.,

"Dem troops, r dum."

Rickford:

Myself, I'd prefer the Pentagon had gone to Congress and asked for the funds to upgrade their networks so sites like YouTube wouldn't be such a bandwidth burden.

It's taken over 100 days (and counting) to get funding for guns and bullets how long do you think it would take to get funds for extra bandwidth?

Right, Dr. Lava, in 1968 wh... (Below threshold)
kim:

Right, Dr. Lava, in 1968 when Nixon was condoning the 'senseless murder of our young soldiers', and bombing the Cambodians at Christmas for the viewing pleasure of one John Kerry.

If you are going to get so worked up about those times, get a few timelines right. And explain the Stalinist holocaust after we left. There was a little bit of senseless murder.
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Sorry... that should be "ri... (Below threshold)
marc:

Sorry... that should be "rickbert"

I sleep well at night, Dr. ... (Below threshold)
kim:

I sleep well at night, Dr. Lava, knowing there are useful idiots hammering away at the keyboard for me to annihilate in the morning.
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Man....how can you... (Below threshold)
Man....how can you people sleep at night. Posted by: dr lava at May 18, 2007 06:42 AM

On a pile of money, surrounded by beautiful women...

Should someone tell the tro... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

Should someone tell the troll that Nixon wasn't president in 1968? Nah, why bother? ww

Where did the leftist talki... (Below threshold)
Weegie:

Where did the leftist talking point that somehow soldiers (or Republicans for that matter) believe Saddam had anything to do with 9/11?

The only people who I hear this "fact" from is, in fact, leftists.

Soldiers are more well-informed and knowledgeable about who they're fighting, why they're fighting, if they're doing good, and if they're winning, than some talking head like Maher who's insulated in an echo chamber. This is based on the simple fact that they've a vested interest in knowing, and take the time to get that information.

Where did the leftist talki... (Below threshold)
Weegie:

Where did the leftist talking point that somehow soldiers (or Republicans for that matter) believe Saddam had anything to do with 9/11?

The only people who I hear this "fact" from is, in fact, leftists.

Soldiers are more well-informed and knowledgeable about who they're fighting, why they're fighting, if they're doing good, and if they're winning, than some talking head like Maher who's insulated in an echo chamber. This is based on the simple fact that they've a vested interest in knowing, and take the time to get that information.

Where did the leftist talki... (Below threshold)
Weegie:

Where did the leftist talking point that somehow soldiers (or Republicans for that matter) believe Saddam had anything to do with 9/11?

The only people who I hear this "fact" from is, in fact, leftists.

Soldiers are more well-informed and knowledgeable about who they're fighting, why they're fighting, if they're doing good, and if they're winning, than some talking head like Maher who's insulated in an echo chamber. This is based on the simple fact that they've a vested interest in knowing, and take the time to get that information.

Bill Maher is my hero!!!!!!... (Below threshold)
seala:

Bill Maher is my hero!!!!!!!!!! My son is in Iraq and says that the majority of troops love Bill Maher and agree with him. The hatred of the Bush and tnis war is overwhelming with the troops. Many have resigned themselves to the fact that we lost this war a long time ago ang they're just going through the motions hoping the Dems succeed in ending this nightmare.

You can say it as often as ... (Below threshold)
kim:

You can say it as often as you like, but they still won't get it. It is willful. They have Bush Derangement Syndrome and do not know what they do. Forgive them.
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the majority of t... (Below threshold)
Jumpinjoe:
the majority of troops love Bill Maher and agree with him

My son is deployed too with the 82nd Airborne and he hates Bill Maher and everyone he is deployed with hate the lefty lies being spewed everyday.

So there.


trolleala,"most" (as... (Below threshold)
Jess:

trolleala,
"most" (as in more than half) couldn't pick "Maher" out of a lineup, much less call him a "hero".
No one, soldiers included, "like" being there (or anywhere else), but they, for the most part, want to do their assigned tasks well.
Nice try, but you're right up there w/the previous fool (Nixon in '68).
J

Bill Maher is my ... (Below threshold)
Jumpinjoe:
Bill Maher is my hero!!!!!!!!!!

BTW, my son is my hero, and your son (if you are telling the truth and actually have one deployed.)

I'll up your 10 exclamations for Bill Maher as your hero to this for MY son.

My son serves proudly and he is my HERO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Top that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Full Text of Maher's post.<... (Below threshold)

Full Text of Maher's post.

Since this war began the number of soldiers in Iraq who think Saddam Hussein was responsible for 9/11 has stunned us all. We continue to be surprised by the number of troops over there who still think we're winning, convinced we're doing good, and that if America pulls out they will follow us home.

The military sent to Iraq some of the most educated soldiers in a generation. More have high school degrees than those who served in Vietnam.

But that doesn't mean they know anything. It's become obvious that the job of the Bush military is to keep our soldiers on a "need to know" state of alert.

Which is why on Friday the Pentagon announced that soldiers serving in Iraq and Afghanistan would no longer be able to use military computers to access You Tube, My Space and eleven other popular websites.

Do soldiers deserve the truth? Or does that weaken them as soldiers? Does a well-informed military create a stronger army? Or just deserters? I think a well-informed army creates a civilian leadership that is forced to send them into harm's way based on facts.

Does Bill Maher still date ... (Below threshold)
nikkolai:

Does Bill Maher still date Keith Olbermann? They were passionately in love at one point.

Since this war be... (Below threshold)
Jumpinjoe:
Since this war began the number of soldiers in Iraq who think Saddam Hussein was responsible for 9/11 has stunned us all

Thank-you Lee for reminding us how stupid and arrogant Maher really is.

Funny how he never mentions how he came to that conclusion about soldiers believing Saddam was responsible for 9-11 but it's thrown out their for you goose-steppers to swallow.

You gobbled it up nicely.

So Bush needs to be in a me... (Below threshold)
plainslow:

So Bush needs to be in a mental institution because he can't see the facts, according to some in the left. But Mahrer, even gives us facts that goes against what he believes about the war, and yet he still believes it. But the people he's getting his facts from are stupid. That's objective!

Lefties are confused becaus... (Below threshold)
kim:

Lefties are confused because Bill Clinton knew, and told everyone, that al-Qaeda and Iraq were related, as they were.

Don't tell anyone, but Clinton could have had a clue about 9/11 had he had a clue. All his people now say they told Rice about bin Laden and al-Qaeda, immediately.
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On reflection, Bill Maher's... (Below threshold)
kim:

On reflection, Bill Maher's idiocy, as well as that of his supporters, is on vivid display. The meaning of all this is that he and his still think we went into Iraq because Saddam caused 9/11. Well what about WMD and Loose Change? Dizzy, I say, dizzy.
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Why do we even care about w... (Below threshold)

Why do we even care about what Bill effin Maher has to say anyway! He's a hack.

"because he [Maher]... (Below threshold)
Wieder:

"because he [Maher]and his "we" believe everything they hear coming from the mouths of Democrats seeking to gain political advantage on the backs of those serving"

Bwahahahahahaha The pot calling the kettle black!

"there are useful idiots... (Below threshold)
Wieder:

"there are useful idiots hammering away at the keyboard for me to annihilate in the morning."

Laughable & pathetic delusions of grandeur!

The only thing you've ever anihilated is your morning dump when you've flushed it rather than deposited it here at Wizbang.

"So you think it's alright ... (Below threshold)
Lorie Byrd:

"So you think it's alright for the troops to believe the ridiculous GOP talking points as long as they continue to sacrafice [sic] their lives for a failed policy. -- dr.lava"

No, I don't think they should believe anyone's talking points, but should believe what their experiences there tell them, rather than what Bill Maher (of all people) thinks the situation in Iraq is.

You're circular, Wieder. F... (Below threshold)
kim:

You're circular, Wieder. First it's poop, then kook, then on to twit, now back to poop. Wieder, all your bumbles are beelong to us.
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By the way, Wieder, we unde... (Below threshold)
kim:

By the way, Wieder, we understand that it is therapeutic for you to empty your bile pile all over this board. We are happy to make you feel better. Lots of people though, prefer to bare their souls in private. What is different about you that you invite us in to your lavaratory?

I once spent months listening and responding to the hideous rants of a kind caring physician as he exorcised the demons of his rural red state upbringing by blog commenting on his nights on call. There was Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde, in person.

I know you are capable of intelligent thought, Wieder; how about some intelligent rhetoric?
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Nik'-no-Bill's nose gets in... (Below threshold)
jhow66:

Nik'-no-Bill's nose gets in the way.
p'p'-"blues calling.

Weegie: "Where did the l... (Below threshold)
Wieder:

Weegie: "Where did the leftist talking point that somehow soldiers (or Republicans for that matter) believe Saddam had anything to do with 9/11? The only people who I hear this "fact" from is, in fact, leftists."

That, Weegie, is because you don't read or listen to anything apart from Kook blogs and the Kook media like Fox Noise and the NY Daily Post. A mind is a terrible thing to lose to Murdoch.

In a Zogby poll it was found that "Almost 90% think war is retaliation for Saddam's role in 9/11, most don't blame Iraqi public for insurgent attacks"

Before you go off attacking Zogby as another tool of the left, I can recall a few years back hearing Rush Limpbaugh singing Zogby's praises when Zogby had a poll that suited the blowhard's taste.

"rather than what Bill M... (Below threshold)
Wieder:

"rather than what Bill Maher (of all people) thinks the situation in Iraq is."

Lorie, Maher is a helluva a lot more informed than you'd like to admit, mostly because you want to persist in your Bush Delusional Syndrome. The Zogby poll I linked above demonstrates some of that.

The problem with people from the extreme far right, so far out there that they aren't even on the same planet, is that you insist on lurking in your dark world of Wonderland blogsites and your ludicrous talking points media like Fox Noise and the NY Post Pap. Your modern day pupeteers are Murdoch & Ailes, among others.

"Thank-you Lee for remin... (Below threshold)
Wieder:

"Thank-you Lee for reminding us how stupid and arrogant Maher really is."

Jumpin' Joe, I'd have thought that you'd look before you lept. See the Zogby link I cited above before you fail to open your parachute again. Landing on your head too frequently can cause "Republicanism," a rather dangerous syndrome that severely impairs perception of reality.

As for your reference to your son above, I imagine he thinks the way that he does is primarily due to the fact that he grew up in your household.

BTW I hope your son returns safely.

Wow! Wieder sure can demons... (Below threshold)
P. Bunyan:

Wow! Wieder sure can demonstrate projection at epic levels.

Let's see, weegie, Lorie, j... (Below threshold)
kim:

Let's see, weegie, Lorie, jumpin' joe. I'm next. I get the feeling he responded without reading all the way through the thread.

That's a sloppy practice I engage in occasionally, usually to my immediate regret. Let's see how long it takes.
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It's taken over 100 days... (Below threshold)
Brian:

It's taken over 100 days (and counting) to get funding for guns and bullets

Only a couple more weeks until they tie how long it took when Republicans were in charge!

There' a problem with the t... (Below threshold)
epador:

There' a problem with the title:

Bill Maher THINKS

At which point I stopped reading.

Hmmmm, soldiers that have b... (Below threshold)

Hmmmm, soldiers that have been in Iraq vs Bill Maher, yet another comedian turned political activist because no one thought we was funny anymore... Let me think...who's views should I trust? First hand experience or "research" done at MoveOn.org?

Gosh...that's a tough one.

/sarcasm

You are right Weider, Mahre... (Below threshold)
Zelsdorf Ragshaft III:

You are right Weider, Mahre is informed not educated. He is informed by those who fill his head with their negative BS. Kind of like what happened to you. I refer you to yesterdays posting titled "Was Osama Right?". The behavior of you and your ilk was predicted by Bin Laudin. Only a fool sides with the enemy. Iran, al Qaeda and Democrats all want us out of Iraq. Weider that means you side with America's enemies. Why don't you research what that is commonly called?

Zeldorfus Ragshitf III... (Below threshold)
Wieder:

Zeldorfus Ragshitf III

Why don't you just close your eyes, click those heels together 3X, and, if your're lucky just like Dorothy, you'll be transported back to the days of the Sturmabteilung, or better, the Schutzstaffel where one could find your kind of "man."

Hiya, Bill.=======</... (Below threshold)
kim:

Hiya, Bill.
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The clicking of heals is mo... (Below threshold)
Zelsdorf Ragshaft III:

The clicking of heals is more in the line of what you do when you hear your masters voice. Do you have recordings of Soros speaking before the Reichstag, now known as the Daily Kos? Weider, you are an idiot. I should not even respond to you. If I saw you personally I would bitchslap you into next week.

That's a generic 'Bill'; ju... (Below threshold)
kim:

That's a generic 'Bill'; just waving in glee. I'm not suggesting sockpuppetry, a fine old tradition.
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the majority of tr... (Below threshold)
Lt. Dann:
the majority of troops love Bill Maher and agree with him

My son is in the infantry (drives an M3 Bradley CFV) and he says that the military is more incensed by the Left in the US than they are with the enemy they are fighting in Iraq. He told me recently that the American Left should be glad that the US military is made up of reasoned, ethical men and women for if this was any other country, they would come home from Iraq and kill every leftist they ran across for their subversion.

Instead, they fight to defend every American traitor's right to undermine their mission.

Wieder,By your comme... (Below threshold)
Lorie Byrd:

Wieder,
By your comment above (not the poopy, kooky, ones, but the one criticizing me for saying Maher is far from an expert on what is happening on the ground in Iraq)are you saying that Maher knows more about what is happening in Iraq than the soldiers and Marines that are, you know, actually there?

That is the only one of your comments that even remotely deserves any kind of response. Calling people names and typing "Bwahahahaha" does not exactly make for intelligent debate. Sorry.

does not exactly m... (Below threshold)
Lt. Dann:
does not exactly make for intelligent debate

Well, there was your first mistake Lorie. Very few of Wieder's or his fellow traveller's posts involve actual thinking, facts, evidence, or even non-supported but at least logical assertions.

On its face your question about the knowledge Maher has vs. what those in Iraq have is rhetorical. Clearly Maher would have absolutely NO WAY of knowing anything about the conditions, good or bad in Iraq. At best what he knows is what is fed to him from the drive-by media. Although I have no way of knowing for sure, I would wager that he doesn't watch Fox News, which is the most likely source of objective reportage on Iraq (and even then FN is not going to know what the soldier knows.)

Maher is demonstrably and notoriously uninformed on a wide variety of issues. One of my favorites was when he submitted that the reason that Bush went into Iraq was to help fulfill the book of Revelation. Given that such a move is exactly CONTRARY to what one would do if they wanted to help fulfill prophesy, Maher revealed just how sophomoric his thinking really is.

If a guy that was on my side of the ideological spectrum was as stupid as Maher I would be distancing myself from him as far as I could. Yet the Libs on this thread are actually attempting to defend this guy. Un-frickin-believable.

Calling people names and... (Below threshold)
Brian:

Calling people names and typing "Bwahahahaha" does not exactly make for intelligent debate.

Commendable that you would express that opinion. Will you be expressing it to others, as well?

Lorie, when Maher says some... (Below threshold)
Wieder:

Lorie, when Maher says some of the things he does, they are far from inconsistent w/ the Zogby poll.

When you run from milblog to milblog reading the right-wing dreck from Iraq, you get just the feedback for which you are looking.

As to Lt. Dann above, I suspect that your son is responding w/ the right-wing brainwashing to which he was subjected as he grew up. I too, was one of those malprogrammed youth, having grown up in a family where the mere mention of FDR would result in an evening's harrangue from my father. Or w/ a mother who would not permit the viewing of I Love Lucy because Lucille Ball was a pro-commie, if not a pinko at least. At home we learned to worship at the feet of Joe McCarthy. I know how a mind can be poisoned.

BTW, Lorie: "By your co... (Below threshold)
Wieder:

BTW, Lorie: "By your comment above (not the poopy, kooky, ones"

I believe today that I did refer to kim's morning "constitutional" ( and why wouldn't one at least ask for a "courtesy flush" after reading the raft of her? comments?) and I made a reference to following an "elephant parade "overdosed on a laxative," and I did use the German "dreck," but I notice how easily your mind is influenced by what you read when you quote kim's reference to "poopy and kooky" as if it were your reaction. Maybe you should stay away from Miss Mary Katherine Hamhock and Captain Ed et al long enough to digest multiple non-choir input long enough to formulate your own original take on something, like at least Jay usually does. There is something to be said for "original thinking" rather than rehashing someone else's talking points and unfounded rumors.

I suspect that you... (Below threshold)
Lt. Dann:
I suspect that your son is responding w/ the right-wing brainwashing to which he was subjected as he grew up

Just as with all of your posts so far Wieder, your suspicions are 180 degrees off their mark.

You seem to think (with apparently no evidence to back it up whatsoever) that the troops are all "malprogrammed" (which is not even a word but I get your point) even though they have their own lying eyes upon which to rely. Meanwhile, you go on and on in threads like this with the most irresponsible, unsupportable, illogical drivel possible and have convinced yourself that you are somehow well informed on the subject of Iraq. The fact that you appear to believe your own drivel (or is it being spoon fed to you by someone else?) is enough evidence for me that you, metaphorically speaking, live on another planet.

Show me some preponderance of evidence that your view is correct and I will debate it with you honestly. Until you can produce such evidence, you merely serve as a prime example to the rest of us of what a leftist sheep sounds like.

Wieder said: <blockqu... (Below threshold)
Jumpinjoe:

Wieder said:

Jumpin' Joe, I'd have thought that you'd look before you lept. See the Zogby link I cited above before you fail to open your parachute again. Landing on your head too frequently can cause "Republicanism," a rather dangerous syndrome that severely impairs perception of reality

I would love to see the specific question asked for this conclusion from your Zogby link:

Almost 90% think war is retaliation for Saddam's role in 9/11,

For example I know most Democrats, especially of the extreme lefty persuasion believe that Republicans believe that Saddam was directly involved in 9-11 by this piece of propaganda:

From Fahrenheit 9/11:

Fahrenheit shows Condoleezza Rice saying, "Oh, indeed there is a tie between Iraq and what happened on 9/11." The audience laughs derisively. Here is what Rice really said on the CBS Early Show, Nov. 28, 2003

What she really said:

Oh, indeed there is a tie between Iraq and what happened on 9/11. It's not that Saddam Hussein was somehow himself and his regime involved in 9/11, but, if you think about what caused 9/11, it is the rise of ideologies of hatred that lead people to drive airplanes into buildings in New York. This is a great terrorist, international terrorist network that is determined to defeat freedom. It has perverted Islam from a peaceful religion into one in which they call on it for violence. And they're all linked. And Iraq is a central front because, if and when, and we will, we change the nature of Iraq to a place that is peaceful and democratic and prosperous in the heart of the Middle East, you will begin to change the Middle East....

Also after the Democrat supported attack on Iraq "Operation Desert Fox" Saddam and OBL both directed threats at the U.S. in response to those attacks by Clinton.

OBL:

1/8/1999 Three days after Saddam Hussein's speech in which he appealed to Islamists to rise up in Jihad, Osama Bin Laden issues (another) call for Jihad against the Americans and their allies-specifically citing the attacks on Iraq as a reason for the Jihad.

Saddam threats:

2/16/1999 "Whoever continues to be involved in a despicable aggressive war against the people of Iraq as a subservient party must realize that this aggressive act has a dear price." Saddam Hussein, February 16, 1999
2/27/1999 "What is required now is to deal strong blows to U.S. and British interests. These blows should be strong enough to make them feel that their interests are indeed threatened not only by words but also in deeds." Al-Qadisiyah, February 27, 1999 (State-controlled newspaper)

Also note that the Clinton administration made the Saddam and OBL connection during the bombing of the aspirin factory in Sudan.

So no, I don't believe that 90% of those serving in Iraq believe they are there for retaliating against Saddam specifically for 9-11. But more in the lines of what Condoleezza Rice said that Michael Moore left out for propaganda purposes: ......... It's not that Saddam Hussein was somehow himself and his regime involved in 9/11, but, if you think about what caused 9/11, it is the rise of ideologies of hatred that lead people to drive airplanes into buildings in New York. This is a great terrorist, international terrorist network that is determined to defeat freedom.

So my question is, how was the question asked:

It was probably after 9-11 that the constant threats of retaliation from Saddam were to be taken more serious and thus he needed to be removed from power.

Not "do you think Saddam was directly involved in 9-11?"


Who is the dumbest person t... (Below threshold)
nikkolai:

Who is the dumbest person to comment at this blog? Weider, Lee, bryanD or Dr. Lava? Anyone have any other nominations?

Jumpin Joe, you are likely ... (Below threshold)
Wieder:

Jumpin Joe, you are likely one of the ones he was talking about...

"Why of course the people don't want war. Why should some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece? Naturally the common people don't want war: neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country." -- Hermann Goering at the Nurnberg trials

Jumpin Joe, Wieder... (Below threshold)
lt. Dann:

Jumpin Joe,

Wieder appears even more dishonest than Zogby. He seems to think that a poll by a notoriously anti-war Arab using a non-disclosed methodology funded by an un-named anti-war benefactor is some kind of proof of "brainwashing".

Once again, note that the poll was completely financed by a "wealthy war opponent" who, Zogby claims, was both uninvolved with its design and indifferent to the findings it would produce. Right.

Zogby discredited himself when he billed it as the first and only poll of U.S. troops there, (see this poll done well before Zog's for proof that he is either a liar or woefully misinformed about his own industry.

Zogby's poll also lacks credibility because he subcontracted to an interviewing outfit based in Beirut. We have no idea of the ideology of these interviewers or if they even actually did field interviews.

Zogby also used a poll methodology that was entirely opaque. He has asked that we simply need to "trust" that he did it correctly. The problem here is that Zogby has been notoriously wrong in recent years. Furthermore, there is evidence that the manner in which the poll was conducted was inconsistent with proper polling procedures.

Furthermore, some of the responses to the polls simply make no sense whatsoever. For example, the infantryman's friends, white phosphorous and napalm, were regarded as inappropriate weapons for use on insurgents by an unbelievable 48% of the respondents. This is like asking a SWAT team if the use of guns against an armed hostiles is inappropriate and then finding that almost half of the SWAT team thought it was. Just weird.

Now, if you want poll results that are a more clear indication of the views of the troops...

  • 58% see their mission as clear.

  • 51.6% believe that those calling for a rapid withdrawal are either unpatriotic or ill-informed.
  • A mere 4.3% believed that WMD was a major reason they went to war, while 77.8% say that a major reason we went there was to remove Saddam from power, (ed.-demonstrating conclusively that our troops were paying attention when Bush gave Saddam and his sons the pre-invasion ultimatum.)
  • Only 21% believe that "Establishing a Democracy" is not a reason to be there.
  • 76.3% say that a major reason was to "stop Saddam from protecting Al-Qaeda, again showing that they know where Zarqawi was hanging out, pre-February, 2003.
  • Over 40% believe that "protecting oil was NOT a reason; while another 38.3% see it only as a "minor reason.
  • 88% do not see "providing a long-term base as a major reason for being there.
  • Only 13.2% say that the on-going violence has given them a negative view of the people of Iraq.

  • You can read a reasoned critique of the Zogby poll here including a sample of some of the questions and answers.

Thanks Lt. Dann, the poll m... (Below threshold)
Jumpinjoe:

Thanks Lt. Dann, the poll made no sense. There is no way in hell 90% of the military in Iraq believe in the premise of that poll.

The ratio would be 100% of all enlisted and half the Officer Corp believing it to come to that number.

Turns out according to Wieder that I'm a Nazi for even questioning it. Who would ever thought.

"Turns out according to ... (Below threshold)
Wieder:

"Turns out according to Wieder that I'm a Nazi for even questioning it"

Au contraire, Jumpin Joe. That's twice today that you lept before you looked.

If you go back to the quote, you will see that it has nothing to do w/ you being called a Nazi. It just describes how simply people like you who can't think for themselves are gullible enough for any propagandist to whip them into a war frenzy. You demonstarte the point aptly and, by your own description, your son as well.

JJ,You're talking ... (Below threshold)
Lt. Dann:

JJ,

You're talking to a guy who has less going for him intellectually than a box of styrofoam. No sense in trying to use reason. He has convinced himself that people who support the war effort are gullible, brainwashed, and whipped into a frenzy.

It is more likely that ol' Wieder is a coward and a traitor than we are in a "frenzy". He's just trying to assuage his guilt for being unpatriotic and yellow. That much self-loathing needs to be steered clear of.

Moving on. Nothing more to see here.

Lori...based on your deploy... (Below threshold)
nogo postal:

Lori...based on your deployment to Iraq as a member of our military...you can call Bill M. out on this...
after all..How dare someone who lacks experience express an opinion..

however..let's suppose..that you have not served in Iraq..
How is your opinion worth anymore than Bill's?

Lt. Dann:... (Below threshold)
Jumpinjoe:

Lt. Dann:

You're talking to a guy who has less going for him intellectually than a box of Styrofoam

When people like Wieder post I sometimes wonder if the poster is a Republican plant to make liberals look dumb.

Then I realize that it's actually possible that some lefties are this frigg'in mental.

But Good Old dingbat Wieder is right in synch with the true lefty talking points.

Like this for example:

It just describes how simply people like you who can't think for themselves are gullible enough for any propagandist to whip them into a war frenzy. You demonstarte the point aptly and, by your own description, your son as well

Spoken like a true blue lefty. (That supports Democrats)

So my son was whipped into a war frenzy by propaganda.

That's right Wieder, you were too stupid to even realize you took off the lefty "We support the troops" B.S. "mask" by insinuating the every single member of the military that joined after 9-11 are gullible sheep.

But if you are a Republican plant out to make lefties look dumb, then shame on you.

If you are a true moonbat, then thank you for demonstrating how the "LEFT" really feels. (Something I already knew)


Wieder, it makes you look l... (Below threshold)
kim:

Wieder, it makes you look like a putz when you don't respond to the most serious criticism here. Whatsa matta, can't take it?
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Really, you look more than ... (Below threshold)
kim:

Really, you look more than a little foolish when you ignore serious criticism and respond to ridicule from me or others. You've a brain, you don't need to depend on stuff from behind the curtain. Let's see the real you, you know, the unhurtable one, strong with the summer within you.
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Do yourself a favor, too, W... (Below threshold)
kim:

Do yourself a favor, too, Wieder, and google Venona.
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Watch 'Indoctrinate U' when... (Below threshold)
kim:

Watch 'Indoctrinate U' when it comes out, too. Pure poison, that one.
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