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Jimmy Carter, you want to see the worst president in history? Look in the mirror

It's unbelievable that Jimmy Carter has the nerve to call President Bush the worst president in history when it's Carter himself who is responsible for the Islamofascism that is now wreaking havoc on the free world today when he and his administration participated in the overthrow of the Shah of Iran. From Iranian Voice:

As if a light were switched off, the Shah of Iran, Mohammad Reza Pahlevi, portrayed for 20 years as a progressive modern ruler by Islamic standards, was suddenly, in 1977-1978, turned into this foaming at the mouth monster by the international left media. Soon after becoming President in 1977, Jimmy Carter launched a deliberate campaign to undermine the Shah. The Soviets and their left-wing apparatchiks would coordinate with Carter by smearing the Shah in a campaign of lies meant to topple his throne. The result would be the establishment of a Marxist/Islamic state in Iran headed by the tyrannical Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini. The Iranian revolution, besides enthroning one of the world's most oppressive regimes, would greatly contribute to the creation of the Marxist/Islamic terror network challenging the free world today.


At the time, a senior Iranian diplomat in Washington observed, "President Carter betrayed the Shah and helped create the vacuum that will soon be filled by Soviet-trained agents and religious fanatics who hate America." Under the guise of promoting" human rights," Carter made demands on the Shah while blackmailing him with the threat that if the demands weren't fulfilled, vital military aid and training would be withheld. This strange policy, carried out against a staunch, 20 year Middle East ally, was a repeat of similar policies applied in the past by US governments to other allies such as pre Mao China and pre Castro Cuba.

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Khomeini was allowed to seize power in Iran and, as a result, we are now reaping the harvest of anti-American fanaticism and extremism. Khomeini unleashed the hybrid of Islam and Marxism that has spawned suicide bombers and hijackers. President Jimmy Carter, and the extremists in his administration are to blame and should be held accountable.

Indeed. Tragically, though, Jimmy's obfuscation has worked in that he has not faced any consequences for his role in helping to bring Islamofascism to power. Instead of taking any personal responsibility for participating in the overthrow of the Shah of Iran that directly resulted in the rise of Islamofascism in the world, he and his willing allies in the press have so far successfully put the blame for the unrest in the Middle East on President Bush, the man who's doing the most to clean up after Carter's incompetence and defeat Islamofascism.

Sister Toldjah writes about Jimmy Carter's moral bankruptcy:

This is the moral bankruptcy Jimmy Carter brings to the table every time he opens his mouth to denigrate the President while siding with the Jew-hating terrorists who comprise Hamas. Via extension, Carter, sadly, is representative of so many other modern day Democrats when it comes to denouncing this administration while downplaying the threats we face overseas, essentially saying that it's President Bush who is the bigger threat than actual terrorists who want to kill us.

Update: Charles at LGF:

These latest rants are nothing unusual for the man who invited Michael Moore to sit in the presidential box at the 2004 Democrat Convention, and wrote a book in which he endorsed Palestinian terror attacks against Israel. Carter is a disgrace, and has been for years.

McQ at Q&O:

The president who easily was the most pathetic disaster the electoral process has ever foisted upon this nation has no room to declare anyone else "the worst in history". Even George Bush, with all the mistakes he's made, would come in a distant second to that loon. Imagine 9/11 happening on Carter's watch, if you have the stomach.


Having lived through the Carter presidency and now Bush's, I'll take the latter any day of the week, mistakes, blunders, ineptness and all.

Unfortunately Carter has to be the exception to the unwritten rule that former presidents remain silent about the administrations of serving presidents. Like so much in his miserable life, he can't even get that right. Following that tradition would require grace, restraint and class, virtues Carter has never had.

Instead we're again exposed to the pathetic mewling of a washed up former president who so screwed up his watch that he's reduced to trying to criticize other presidents in hope of having them awarded the "world's worst" crown he's worn since he was run out of DC on a landslide. When you can't even edge Dick Nixon out Mr. Carter, you haven't a chance of handing that title off to anyone else, not matter how many times you spout off.

So do us all a favor, will you, and STFU.

Update II: Mario Loyola at The Corner responds to Carter's claim that Bush is the worst president in history this way:

Ah.... that was a good laugh.

And he reminds us of this November 2004 Weekly Standard piece in which we learn that Jimmy Carter compared the pre-dead Abu Musab al Zarqawi to George Washington:

"One parallel," Mr. Carter began, "is that the Revolutionary War, more than any other war up until recently, has been the most bloody war we've fought." THE SCRAPBOOK can't see how there's any other way to parse this sentence; near as we can tell, the former president is here suggesting that more American soldiers have been killed or wounded in Operation Iraqi Freedom than in any other military engagement since the British surrendered at Yorktown. And we've looked it up: He's right about that--except for the Mexican War, the Korean War, Vietnam, World War I, the Civil War, and World War II.


But wait, there's more. "I think another parallel [with Iraq]," Carter continued, "is that in some ways the Revolutionary War could have been avoided. It was an unnecessary war. Had the British Parliament been a little more sensitive to the colonials' really legitimate complaints and requests the war could have been avoided completely, and of course now we would have been a free country now as is Canada and India and Australia, having gotten our independence in a nonviolent way."

Indeed, both Canada and Australia secured formal legal independence from Great Britain without a single shot being fired: the former in 1982, the latter in 1986. India achieved its freedom even earlier, in 1947, amid a hideous and protracted civil war that killed two million people. But hey, who's counting?


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Comments (77)

"...a Marxist/Islamic state... (Below threshold)
bryanD:

"...a Marxist/Islamic state in Iran headed by the tyrannical Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini."

Marxist/Islamic??? That's dumber than "Islamo-facsism".

Whatever it takes to fit Step-sister's fat foot in Cinderella's slipper.

PS: If the Bush-Kennedy bill passes the House, G W Bush will be the worst president ever. And that's saying something. LBJ, BJC, JEC, HST...

Well, for once you may<... (Below threshold)
marc:

Well, for once you may be right. After all you're an expert at dumb!

Kim.You forgot to me... (Below threshold)
Allen:

Kim.
You forgot to mention our (snicker)lower interest rates when the "peanut man" was President.

Best thing to happen under ... (Below threshold)
Gianni:

Best thing to happen under peanut head was Herb Brooks and company winning Olympic gold in Lake Placid.

A shame this hateful ugly man from GA couldnt do anything on his own to lift the spirits and patriotism of our country. He is still as miserable now as the nation was when he was President.

bD wants to remind you they... (Below threshold)
kim:

bD wants to remind you they hold elections in Iran.
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Chastising an American Pres... (Below threshold)
Steve Crickmore:

Chastising an American President(Carter) for pushing human rights, freedom and democracy prematurely in the Middle-East without a coherent policy as to the unintended consequences of such policy- the rise of a militant Islamic movement, seems a trifle rich, coming as it is from supporters of Bush's plan to make Iraq 'a beacon of democracy' for the same region.

SC, quite disingenuous. Ca... (Below threshold)
kim:

SC, quite disingenuous. Carter, foolishly, believed that any opposition to a tyrant must be sweetness and light personified. He was an idiot.

Sistani will bring Iraq out of these in much better shape than did Khomeini Iran.
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John Adams, Thomas Jefferso... (Below threshold)
kim:

John Adams, Thomas Jefferson and Benjamin Franklin were 'premature' according to a lot of their contemporaries.

What a fossil you are.
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Kim:Carter calls B... (Below threshold)
groucho:

Kim:

Carter calls Bush "the worst president in history".

Carter: (from the link)

Bush administration is the "worst in history in international relations"

Maybe it's just me, but those are by no means equivalent statements. When you begin a post with this type of intellectual chicanery it can only go downhill from there. I think every president from Carter on shares some of the responsibility for the current situation; Bush just decided to throw some high octane jet fuel on it.

Bush Paranoia Syndrome (BPS):

The inability to consider any criticism of or disagreement with the current president, with or without psychotic features. Sufferers often become intellectually dishonest, delusional and verbally abusive in their attempts to either shoot the messenger or deny reality. No successful treatment known.

I was a GM of one of our Ol... (Below threshold)
Robert the original:

I was a GM of one of our Olympic teams and lived with many athletes at a national training center I ran for the team.

The average American does not see or think about these Olympians except for a few weeks every four years, but believe me there is a lot going on.

One cannot understand "going for it" until you know about the 5 hour a day practice, every day including the weekend, for ten to fifteen years.

During this period, athletes give up most of their social life and families remortgage houses to pay for training, travel, etc.

So when Carter withdrew our Olympic team from the 1980 summer games, thousands of athletes were robbed of their chance and most only get one chance, if that.

And for what? This was Carter's sole response to the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, and it had no effect whatsoever.

It was Carter's sole response to anything - the hostage crisis was an absolute disaster - and the Soviets were allowed a free run in Afria, South America, the Middle East and elsewhere.

Carter's only act was to hurt his own Olympic team and his foreign policy was beyond feeble.

Of course, Carter's wrecking of the US economy is well documented with double digit unemployment, interest rates and inflation.

Bush was re-elected while Carter lost 46 States in his re-election bid because he had become such a joke.

Bush: strong economic turnabout and stable growth, strong foreign policy. Carter: feeble, feeble, feeble and out.

Ha, bD, you gotta see Fred'... (Below threshold)
kim:

Ha, bD, you gotta see Fred's response about the Montechristo's. He intends to see that they are destroyed over the next few months.

I'm too busy defending Bush, g, to criticize him, but I've a quiverful of those, too. I used to despise him, the No Good, Son of a Ritch, but there is no Christian like a convert.
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George W. Bush is in a cate... (Below threshold)
Adrian Browne:

George W. Bush is in a category of "Bad Presidents" all by himself.

History will be kind to Bus... (Below threshold)
kim:

History will be kind to Bush, AB. You never had it so good, nor may again.
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As to the Update 11, Kim Pr... (Below threshold)
Steve Crickmore:

As to the Update 11, Kim Priestap is on safer ground. I had no idea Carter was such a shocking and one-sided historian. Canada had its Upper and Lower Canada Rebellions, that helped obtain a degree of self-rule in 1837-8, and Austraila the Eureka rebellion in 1854.
Even after the Revolutionary War, Britain fought very hard to control their colonies, and I'm not even going to talk about the Irish War for their Independence from Britain, in the 20th century.

Its easy to want to reflexi... (Below threshold)
jpm100:

Its easy to want to reflexively disagree with Carter.

I'd have to agree that Bush is a poor President. For quite different reasons than Carter would give. For one, his inability and unwillingness to Communicate has let Democrats and the Left run roughshod over Domestic support for the War in Iraq and the War on Terror.

But Bad Presidents require Bad Policies. And ironically Bush's bad policies are the ones he has in common with Carter. Things like immigration and social spending.

Sadly, the more I think about it, take away the War on Terror and some tax relief, and Bush is the closest President we've had to Jhimmi.

Jimmy Carter running around... (Below threshold)

Jimmy Carter running around describing any president as the 'worst in history' is a lot like the Detroit Lions running around describing other NFL teams the 'worst in history'. He continues to hold a breathtakingly delusional high opinion of himself.

This is like the fattest pe... (Below threshold)
Mitchell:

This is like the fattest person in town coming up to you and saying, "hey, you have a weight problem."

Pot meet Kettle; Jesus Christ.

Newsweek ought to do a hit ... (Below threshold)
VagaBond:

Newsweek ought to do a hit piece on how Pres. Carter has lost touch with reality. Or was it Time? same-o, same-o

I wish you Repubbies would ... (Below threshold)

I wish you Repubbies would make up your mind. Giuliani tells us that there's nothing we've done to make the Islamists hate us and want to kill us. We're told by the Repubbies that they hate us because we're free and right and just, and the Repubbies stand up and cheer.

Now we hear its is indeed a case where U.S. foreign policy is at fault -- but it's Jimmmmmy Cahhhter's fault. Which is it?

Spin, lie, fold repeat. It's really obvious that you guys are having trouble keeping track of your lies.

America is noticing....

Old Jimmah Cahtah suffers f... (Below threshold)
Syllabucks:

Old Jimmah Cahtah suffers from the same malady as the Penis Prez... a severe case of 'name in press' withdrawal.

Jimmah Cahtah thinks that we who lived through his sweater calls and gas lines have forgotten.

Jimmah Cahtah thinks his mediocre books have shortened our memory of his term in office.

Jimmah Cahtah is wrong... again.


I guess there is truth to the adage that only the good die young... he'll be embarassing himself and OUR contry for a good long time.

<a href="http://www.kdhnews... (Below threshold)
Syllabucks:
From <a href="http://www.br... (Below threshold)
Anon Y. Mous:

From Breitbart:

Former US president Jimmy Carter on Saturday attacked outgoing Prime Minister Tony Blair for his "blind" support of the Iraq war, describing it as a "major tragedy for the world".

In an interview with BBC radio, Carter was asked how he would describe Blair's attitude to US President George W. Bush. He replied: "Abominable. Loyal, blind, apparently subservient.

"I think that the almost undeviating support by Great Britain for the ill-advised policies of President Bush in Iraq have been a major tragedy for the world."

Astonishing. A former president of our country criticizing one of our allies for supporting us in a war that were are currently fighting. What a despicable human being.

Back where you belong "Lee ... (Below threshold)
jhow66:

Back where you belong "Lee Ward" (as in insane) aka "pucker puss" (lee lee) (RTP) (RM). Ever notice that 'p'p has this hangup on the word "lies"? Rep lies, Bush lies, etc. By the way 'p'p to we have to use capital letters when we address you as "lee ward"?

If President Bush signs the... (Below threshold)
horse:

If President Bush signs the bill that has the USA surrendering to 20MM foreign invaders while our troops are fighting and dieing in foreign lands, then he may very well be the worst American President in history. He will end with an approval rating of less than 20, maybe even 10. History in this case will not be kind to him and neither should we.

How's that line go about ge... (Below threshold)

How's that line go about getting called ugly by a toad?

I think he just wants to tr... (Below threshold)
Dave:

I think he just wants to try to pass the mantle of "worst, president, ever!" on to someone else. This is his best chance since bush's approval ratings and how many libs will agree with him on the matter makes it gospel in the lib crowd. Not to mention this is really his first chance to try to do this since his failed presidency. It might not hurt to throw a little bit of senile into the mix.

I would say just by the way carter throws himself into the political mix and starts with all the name calling, he's the one that continues to taint the office of the president. Bill Clinton is already stepping down that road. You don't see any former republican presidents making the snide remarks (on american soil OR over seas) that former democrat presidents make.

Carter and Clinton have made the office of the President into a joke on their parts. They are two of the most classless human beings to ever take on that role.

Class is when Bush unveiled the portrait of Bill Clinton and had nothing bad to say despite the Clintons obvious dislike of him.
Class is when Bush on a routine basis takes it on the chin and ignores the Bush=Hitler and the other comments the Jimmy Carter's of the world are saying.
Class is refusing to jump into the fray with these imbeciles and let them make themselves look like idiots.

Unfortunately for Bush, having class also makes him appear not to fight back and to be on the defensive about everything. Bush might not make all the best political calculations, but the one thing he will always have over the libs is class.

I'm not a particular fan of... (Below threshold)
pennywit:

I'm not a particular fan of either the Bush or Carter presidencies, but if we're going to talk "worst president ever," we might want to peek at some of the winners that showed up in the 19th century ... Millard Fillmore. James Buchanan. And so forth.

--|PW|--

Kim, a fine example of C... (Below threshold)
Wieder:

Kim, a fine example of CDS.

"when it's Carter himself who is responsible for the Islamofascism that is now wreaking havoc on the free world today when he and his administration participated in the overthrow of the Shah of Iran. "

What an infantile historical analysis!

You ought to look just a little further back from the narrow scope of history that you elect to use to blame the downfall of the Shah on Carter. That began w/ the US CIA bcked deposition of a Iran's only democratically elected democratically government in the 50's and then subsequently installed the Shah, who, along with Savak, instituted an incredibly brutal reign. So much for Republican concern about democracy or concern for Iranians not having to live under a terrorist regime..

Your attempt to lay the blame for "who lost Iran" is about as stupid and untutored as the Republican crap of the late 40's and throughout the 50's of "who lost China?"

A significant amount of our latter 20th century foreign affairs difficulties arose because the US had no respect for the legitinmacy of governments duly chosen by their people. Rather, we saw fit to intervene because "the ends justified the means."

Historians will be kinder t... (Below threshold)
Herman:

Historians will be kinder to Jimmy Carter than you conservatives are. After all, he won the Nobel Peace Prize largely for what he did in bringing lasting peace between Israel and Egypt. 12 million jobs were added to the economy during his reign of four years; Bush isn't going to get anywhere near that amount after eight. Robert the Original declares that the unemployment rate hit double digits under Carter; this isn't true, but it is true for about nine months or so of the Reagan presidency. Jimmy Carter got the hostages out alive; had Reagan been left in charge of doing this, they would have been murdered, and a couple hundred thousand Iranians would have been given "martyrdom." Unless of course Reagan instead would have decided to trade arms for hostages, and then lie to the American people about it (as he was to do anyway, in a different situation). Any federal deficit Carter accrued was dwarfed by what Reagan, and the Bushes (Sr. and Jr.) came up with. You conservatives do realize that you pay interest on the federal deficit, don't you? Not a single American soldier lost his life in war during Carter's presidency; contrast that with The Chimp.
Jimmy Carter was essentially the first "green" president, he tried to save both energy and taxpayer money on White House electricity usage (I believe by installing solar panels, which were torn down by Reagan, who didn't give a damn).

Who in their right mind cou... (Below threshold)
Mark:

Who in their right mind could preside over a Federal Bureaucracy and Budget such as this...

Dear God...Herman can still... (Below threshold)
kyle:

Dear God...Herman can still post? Isn't there some sort of literacy (historical or otherwise) standard this site can insist upon? Maybe Herman was living in Georgia (the Soviet Georgia, not the State Carter disgraced) during those years. He writes like a Pravda drop out,

"bD wants to remind you ... (Below threshold)
Wieder:

"bD wants to remind you they hold elections in Iran." kim

Bwahahahahahahaha

They once did have a democratic election before Republicans got their hands on the results.

Aftermath claimed in regard... (Below threshold)
Wieder:

Aftermath claimed in regard to the Carter Presidency by Robert the original....

"- the hostage crisis was an absolute disaster -[they all got out of Iran alive] and the Soviets were allowed a free run in Afria, South America, the Middle East and elsewhere."

Of course,Robert, and that's why all these areas are now, and have been, under the heel of the Soviet boot ever since the Carter presidency..

Another Wizcompoop passes World History w/ honors.

It's easy to play connect t... (Below threshold)
groucho:

It's easy to play connect the dots in reverse to support whatever conclusion suits your particular political needs. In the late 70s no one was screaming about Islamofascism, jihad or how the Muslims hate us for our freedom and are sworn to kill us all. The Middle Eastern countries formed OPEC and realized that, because of our blind unquenchable thirst for the bubblin' crude, they had us over a barrel, literally. So Carter says look folks, the smartest thing we can do is to conserve and develop new sources of energy so we are no longer at their mercy and he's laughed out of office, replaced by an actor who smiled and waved the through the wholesale sellout of American foreign policy to corporate interests. Perhaps if we had followed that course Iraqis, Saudis, Iranians, etc. would today be fighting their medieval holy wars among themselves, drowning in their oil, and America would still be the powerful and respected nation it used to be. Instead we send our brave citizens to die in the middle of a civil war largely because over the last two decades we HAVE pissed many of them off to the point where they actually do want to kill us and we are as dependent as we have ever been on their oil. Yes, we've truly made great strides in international relations under Bush. No doubt about it, we are much stronger and safer and the world is a much more stable place than it was when Carter was president.

It's too soon for any big picture assessment of either president, but when those doing the judging aren't blinded by political rage and in such desperate need of any and all scapegoats to deflect blame away from the shortcomings of the current pres, I think history will be much kinder to the peanut farmer/nuclear engineer than the incurious recovering substance abuser currently hiding in his cabin on the ship of state.

Compare and contrast the mo... (Below threshold)
kim:

Compare and contrast the most recent elections in Iraq and Iran.

By the way, Wieder reveals a portrait of ancient evil back on the Dubya Standard thread, right at the end.
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By the way, Wieder reveals ... (Below threshold)
bryanD:

By the way, Wieder reveals a portrait of ancient evil back on the Dubya Standard thread, right at the end.
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Posted by: kim


Citizens' aRAYust! Citizens' aRAYust!

Jimmy? That stupid idiot i... (Below threshold)
John S:

Jimmy? That stupid idiot isn't dead yet? I'm old enough to remember 21% inflation, 23% interest rates, and 10% unemployment. And about 1/5th of the world fell under Soviet domination during Carter's four years (including most of Africa and a good chunk of Central America). Had Jimmy been reelected, we'd still have the Soviet Union to contend with and communist insurgents at our southern border.

Bush is a good president --... (Below threshold)
Adrian Browne:

Bush is a good president -- except when it comes to the interests of the U.S.:

Iraq a "big moneymaker" for al-Qaida, says CIA

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2003714521_alqaida20.html

Why do I have the feeling m... (Below threshold)
TR19667:

Why do I have the feeling most of the moonbat posters here weren't around when Jimmah was the prez?

"And about 1/5th of the ... (Below threshold)
Wieder:

"And about 1/5th of the world fell under Soviet domination during Carter's four years (including most of Africa and a good chunk of Central America)." John S

And that explains why you think like a Wizcompoop.

Another master of World History with honors.

TR,Funny, but I wa... (Below threshold)
groucho:

TR,

Funny, but I was thinking the same thing about the resident Carter-attackers. I voted for Carter in '76 (my first time) and have no regrets. Voted 3rd party in '80 though.

Weider, you can believe wha... (Below threshold)
Zelsdorf Ragshaft III:

Weider, you can believe what your current 8th grade communist teacher tells you about the Carter years or you could listen to those who lived through that period of time when we had depression and inflation at the same time. That is somewhat of an economic phenominon. Interest rates were so high that banks paid 10% interest on pass book savings. I know that information is wasted on you, infact the only thing not wasted on you is a golden shower, however one does not need a masters degree to edify and idiot like you to facts that are in existance. Go out to your local stream to see if you have any whales in them like they do in Sacramento.

Jimmy? That stupid idiot... (Below threshold)
James Cloninger:

Jimmy? That stupid idiot isn't dead yet? I'm old enough to remember 21% inflation, 23% interest rates, and 10% unemployment. And about 1/5th of the world fell under Soviet domination during Carter's four years (including most of Africa and a good chunk of Central America). Had Jimmy been reelected, we'd still have the Soviet Union to contend with and communist insurgents at our southern border.

Not to mention the Panama Canal, the Olympic boycot, the defunding of defense in S. Korea, the Russian Wheat Deal cancellation after the invasian of Afghanistan, which really did a number on the farmers.

By the way, he also brought back registration for the Draft.

Of course, his most remembered legacy will be the high unemployement, high interest rates, and inflation rates--that, and his "malaise" speech (written by Chris Matthews, by the way).

If Jimmy had stuck to his humanitarian works after the presidency, I think we who surived his reign might have kinder words for him.

Nixon was able to rehabilitate himself quite a bit as an elder statesman in his later years. Carter could have followed this path...but of course, he had to open his mouth one too many times.

Carter is and was a disgrac... (Below threshold)
Mitchell:

Carter is and was a disgrace. You Dims. think he's so cute parading around with Michael Moore at the Dim. convention. Please. Two fools.

Hermie, do you recall that Yasser Arafat also won a Nobel Peace Prize. I think the prize has little credibility--much like the UN nonproliferation commission with the newly appointed Iran and Syria as chairs.

I have first hand knowledge of how he ruined Nicaragua--he had the opportunity to transition Somoza out, but instead, as is his want, he fell in love with the radical Marxist Sandinistas. Then, he just pulled the rug out from under Somoza. The Marxist did much more harm to Nicaragua than Somoza ever did. But facts don't concern posters here; only their feelings about the great moralist, Jimmah.

It's a fraud and conceit. Get over it. Another loser Dim Prez, in league with sleaze ball Clinton, and whiskey-totting LBJ. Losers all. No substance.

"Jimmy Carter was essential... (Below threshold)
MikeNC:

"Jimmy Carter was essentially the first "green" president,....." - Herman

I think the correct color to describe Carter would be yellow as in coward. Like James Cloninger, I am also old enough to have suffered through Carter and in my opinion he is not only the worst president of the modern era, but also the worst ex-president. Not only does he hate Bush, he also hates America for rejecting him after one term.

Ah, yes. The same 'intelli... (Below threshold)
LAB:

Ah, yes. The same 'intelligent' Jimmy that gave Panama to communist China-um-back to the Panamanians!

Oh, and remember Jimmah end... (Below threshold)
Mitchell:

Oh, and remember Jimmah endorsed Palestinian terror attacks as a justified continuation of their "policy" of self-defense.

F'n loser.

"the Carter years or you... (Below threshold)
Wieder:

"the Carter years or you could listen to those who lived through that period of time when we had depression and inflation at the same time. " Zelsdoofus Ragshitf III

I lived thru that era and recall the interest rates. Most people survived quite well. A depression? Go to the ass of the economics class, you storm boot-clicking Teutonic Twit.

A Wizcompoop w/ a doctorate in Economics, NOT.

"Not to mention the Panama ... (Below threshold)
Wieder:

"Not to mention the Panama Canal, the Olympic boycot, the defunding of defense in S. Korea, the Russian Wheat Deal cancellation after the invasian of Afghanistan, which really did a number on the farmers." james Clunkhead

Yea Clunkhead and he took away the Olympics from all you with your sniffing heads in a jockstrap. God forbid that someone should respond via trade or boycott rather than a launch of nukes.

If fatheads like you had your way, the Earth would already be a radioactive cinder. Get the straw you're sucking out of your ass and don a clean Depends.

Weider,You recall ... (Below threshold)
Robert the original:

Weider,

You recall great economic times in the Carter years? You are the only one - every single economic indicator went bad under Carter.

Your claim that large parts of the world are not now under Soviet domination as evidence of Carter's mastery of foreign policy is positively Orwellian. Carter did nothing to stop the advance of the Soviets leaving all the work to Reagan.

Yes the hostages got out alive, but this was the only good of it. Later, Buckley was tortured to death by Hezbollah, supported by the islamofascists in Iran that Carter loved so much better than the Shah. And so it started. The hostage crisis was ended, not solved, in no small part due to the perception that Reagan would not be so feeble as Carter.

Most people consider the hostage situation a disaster for American reputation abroad - you are welcome to consider it a great victory, but you are almost alone.

I'm sure a small number of people agree with you like Carter's mom and everything, but there is a reason Carter lost 46 States in his re-election while Reagan won 49 in his.

"Wieder, You recall grea... (Below threshold)
Wieder:

"Wieder, You recall great economic times in the Carter years?"

Never said that...you can't read English, but then that explains why you are a Wizcompoop & likely why you are stupid enough to be a Republican.

"large parts of the world are not now under Soviet domination as evidence of Carter's "

Clear case of CDS. Such as what, you idiot?

"Later, Buckley was tortured to death by Hezbollah,"

Under your hero leader, 240+ GI's died in Beirut and Uncle Alzy Reagan just turned tail and evacuated.

"The hostage crisis [Iran ]was ended, not solved, in no small part due to the perception that Reagan..."

How absolutely idiotic. Do you crap in your pants and your wife has to tell you to empty them? The hostages were released the very moment that Reagan took the oath. To credit him for this is beyond insane.

"Most people consider the hostage situation a disaster for American reputation abroad "

Speak for yourself, but they came out alive; a far cry from what would have happened had fools like you marched in to save America's honor.

I think your day pass from "happy Farms" is long overdue.

Weider STFU, if you knew an... (Below threshold)
Zelsdorf Ragshaft III:

Weider STFU, if you knew anything about anything, you sure keep it to yourself. At what point does a depression start Weider? 10% unemployment? How about 0 growth, in real dollars. Please do not indicate you are older than 15 years old, as it would show you to be a complete idiot, or a cronic liar. You posts are infantile. Your logic nonexistant. When Carter ran for reelection, not even life time democrats could get themselves to vote for him. Bush won reelection with 62, count them, Million votes. I ask you. Why would we reelect the worst President in History? I know you have some stupid answer, but I would like the impossible. I would like a real answer, you call your parents into your room and ask them the answer.

History will brand Bush as ... (Below threshold)
The Listkeeper:

History will brand Bush as a poor communicator. History will brand Carter as a naive incompetent whose anti-Jewish beliefs led him to be far too trusting of those undeserving of such trust.


Wieder, what exactly would ... (Below threshold)
Craig:

Wieder, what exactly would you have done after the Beirut bombing? The idiots in your party thought that Granada would be the next Vietnam, so I doubt they would have favored us invading Lebanon.

I remember unemployment up ... (Below threshold)

I remember unemployment up to 14% but that might have been after Carter was defeated by Reagan and before new policies had any affect.

As for depression, that's what all of us facing high school graduation felt. No jobs, no future, no hope.

Weider:Under y... (Below threshold)
marc:

Weider:

Under your hero leader, 240+ GI's died in Beirut and Uncle Alzy Reagan just turned tail and evacuated.

Then you agree the current crop of dems are attempting to do the same in Iraq?

Speak for yourself, but they came out alive; a far cry from what would have happened had fools like you marched in to save America's honor.

Yeah they came out alive after 444 days of captivity that only elicited a single military response from Carter, Operation Eagle Claw.

It was an utter failure with the cost of eight American lives many European Govs pissed that the mission had taken place without advance consultation of America's allies.

Oops, sounds like he was a unilateralist also.

You ought to look just a... (Below threshold)
MikeSC:

You ought to look just a little further back from the narrow scope of history that you elect to use to blame the downfall of the Shah on Carter. That began w/ the US CIA bcked deposition of a Iran's only democratically elected democratically government in the 50's and then subsequently installed the Shah, who, along with Savak, instituted an incredibly brutal reign.

The same P.M that the same Islamists ALSO hated?

And to be replaced by a MORE brutal regime?

Good plan.

Historians will be kinder to Jimmy Carter than you conservatives are. After all, he won the Nobel Peace Prize largely for what he did in bringing lasting peace between Israel and Egypt.

I'll quote my review from Amazon for his book:

That treaty could've been signed in my basement and I'd have had the same impact on it as Carter did.

Egypt wanted peace because Israel, easily, kicked the snot out of them. They just found somebody stupid enough to give them money.

And the Nobel Peace Prize? Oooh, that IS impressive. Didn't Arafat ALSO win that award?

Interesting theory o' peace.

12 million jobs were added to the economy during his reign of four years

BWA HA HA HA!

The Carter years that made the Misery Index a major issue? 4 years of a crap economy that you, in your infantile lack of knowledge, try to compare to a good one?

Robert the Original declares that the unemployment rate hit double digits under Carter; this isn't true, but it is true for about nine months or so of the Reagan presidency.

Having to clean up the mess of mass inflation AND bad unemployment is not always pretty.

But, hey, if you REALLY wish to argue that the Carter economy was stronger than the Reagan economy, you can have fun in your wonderful version of reality.

Jimmy Carter got the hostages out alive; had Reagan been left in charge of doing this, they would have been murdered, and a couple hundred thousand Iranians would have been given "martyrdom."

Carter got nobody freed. They were freed only when he left office. Carter, quite frankly, extended the crisis.

Not a single American soldier lost his life in war during Carter's presidency

Missed the laughable attempt to free the hostages, eh?

Jimmy Carter was essentially the first "green" president, he tried to save both energy and taxpayer money on White House electricity usage (I believe by installing solar panels, which were torn down by Reagan, who didn't give a damn).

Yes, Reagan was evil.

I look forward to the day when Carter dies. The world will be better off for it.
-=Mike
...Nice to see Weider and Herman throw their weight behind the anti-Semitic Carter.

"Missed the laughable at... (Below threshold)
Herman:

"Missed the laughable attempt to free the hostages, eh?" -- MikeSC

Mike, you may want to ask your teacher what the definition of "war" is, and how "war" does not equate to "rescue attempt"

"Yes, Reagan was evil." -- MikeSC

Glad you agree. And I am sure that the Nicaraguans whose democratically-elected government Reagan tried to overthrow would also agree with you. As well as those who, unlike conservatives, regard the Iran-Contra scandal as a crime.

"And the Nobel Peace Prize? Oooh, that IS impressive. Didn't Arafat ALSO win that award?" -- MikeSC

Yes, and so did Martin Luther King Jr., Mother Theresa, Albert Schweitzer, Theodore Roosevelt, Nelson Mandela, Mikhail Gorbachev, etc. All in all, Jimmy's with a stellar bunch of people, with a few bad apples (e.g., Kissinger) mixed in.

"I remember unemployment up to 14%" -- Synova

Not for the U.S. you don't, unless someone hit you too hard on your head. Go to the bls.gov website, dude.

"Why would we reelect the worst President in History?" -- Zelsdorf

I've often wondered that myself, Zelsdorf. I attribute it primarily to lack of education in this country.

"How absolutely idiotic. Do you crap in your pants and your wife has to tell you to empty them? The hostages were released the very moment that Reagan took the oath. To credit him for this is beyond insane." -- Wieder

You're not dealing with sane people here, Wieder.

"Then, he just pulled the rug out from under Somoza. The Marxist did much more harm to Nicaragua than Somoza ever did." -- Mitchell

Mitchell would have us believe that the proper thing for a president to do is support a brutal unelected dictatorship. Mitchell needs to ask himself why the Nicaraguans recently re-elected Daniel Ortega not long ago. If the Nicaraguans just so loved Somoza, Mitchell, then why didn't he ever allow free elections like the Sandinistas did? WELL????

Herman, the uneducated ones... (Below threshold)
Zelsdorf Ragshaft III:

Herman, the uneducated ones were the 59 million who voted for John FuckAmerica Kerry. You and weider have a lot in common except sense. Neither of you have any. Go visit Lee. He needs you.

Herman, Nicaragua elected y... (Below threshold)
Mitchell:

Herman, Nicaragua elected your boy Ortega with 38% of the vote: he made a deal with the old Somoza party ex-Pres, who is under house arrest for corruption--20 years, $100 Million stolen.

You don't know shit about Nicaragua, just like you don't know shit about anything else on this board. F yourself, bro.

So, you believe that the economy and personal liberties were better under Ortega than Somoza--prove it, you ass.

The economic growth rate was the highest in Central America before the Marxist forced out the moderates and created a Cuban style workers paradise. Guess what it was after the revolution. The negative growth, the worst in CA, and personal liberties were non-existant with a secret police that Somoza would envy.

This is why no one takes the Dims seriously on foreign affairs. Not even a lot of Dims do, as I 've had several agree that this is your weakest position as a party, by far.

You big turd polisher.

Herman:Mitchel... (Below threshold)
marc:

Herman:

Mitchell would have us believe that the proper thing for a president to do is support a brutal unelected dictatorship.

You mean like Carter's support of Philippine President Marcos?

Guess you do have a point.

Carter's Nobel Prize? Guess you forgot how Carter lobbied behind the scenes to get it, and finally met with success when the left-wing Nobel Prize committee saw an opportunity to use Carter as a way of attacking President Bush and embarrassing the United States. The head of the Nobel Prize committee openly admitted that this was their motivation in selecting Carter.

Perhaps Herman and his ilk can explain why Carter gets greeted by "supporters" in the streets of Syria and Palestine when he visits. Just why is it such violent, terroristic societies love him so.

When all is said and done we KNOW who Carter's biggest fans are.

"As if a light were swit... (Below threshold)

"As if a light were switched off, the Shah of Iran, Mohammad Reza Pahlevi, portrayed for 20 years as a progressive modern ruler by Islamic standards"

Progressive by a ignorant fucktard standard maybe.

The rescue attempt that kil... (Below threshold)

The rescue attempt that killed the Delta Force soldiers was a military action ordered by the President.

Calling it "not war" is like calling a blow job "not sex."

Those soldiers who died, died in active service to their country. It wasn't a training accident. It wasn't an assassination like the soldiers shot on the street in Angeles City or the ones blown up in barracks or hotels or... where ever.

They died on a mission ordered by the President.

Which President immediately suffered a case of the vapours.

Bush responded by saying th... (Below threshold)
Adrian Browne:

Bush responded by saying that Carter was "wronger."

I voted for Jimmy Carter wa... (Below threshold)
Bill Eckbreth:

I voted for Jimmy Carter way back when. I wish I hadn't because in my lifetime he has been the worse president. I voted for him because I believed he was a Christian. If he is a Christian it is only by grace that he is saved and I see no evidence of following God. Some might say by doing good works, Habitat for Humanity, he shows evidence of faith. How can he support a party who has been chief advocate of Abortion, Gay Rights and teaching our youth that is is a good idea to have sex at a young age as is being done in Colorado today. The two main themes all Christians should be able to agree is that although God loves all people, he would not support Gay Rights and Abortion. These two items above all should be something Christians should be able to unite. I am concerned that since Carter is believed to be a Christian supporting these two items that many other Christians who are not strong in their knowledge of the bible feel that it is ok to do the same. I would have thought that Clinton who showed no morals would have been the worse president if it were not for the fact that Carter appears to be a Christian but destroys the faith from within.

"if it were not for the ... (Below threshold)
Wieder:

"if it were not for the fact that Carter appears to be a Christian but destroys the faith from within." Duckbreath

What a crock of crap. If this is your idea of Christianity, you are one sure sicko.

Some people here need to re... (Below threshold)

Some people here need to read a little history about Iran. Particularly those who think the Shah was good or anything before or since was just hunky-dory. Just looking at 20th century Iran we have one distasterous autocrat after another running Iran. Elections or not. Appointed or not. None of them deserve the defense their getting from anyone here.

I love it. Jimmy Carter de... (Below threshold)
kim:

I love it. Jimmy Carter defends his remark by saying that he never claimed to be relevant.
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Oyster,You are rig... (Below threshold)
Robert the Original:

Oyster,

You are right, in humanitarian terms, that the Shah was about as corrupt and repressive as the others.

However in geopolitical terms, back in the day when the Soviets were eager for any gain in the area, the Shah was a strong US ally, so much so we had many military cooperative efforts.

Since the fall of the Shah, Iran has become the largest sponsor of terror, the most dedicated US enemy, and when they get the bomb could become the largest threat since Hitler.

Carter's problem is that he doesn't think in geopolitical terms, and never did.

Will you make the same comment when and if Iran explodes a nuke over Israel?

"However in geopolitical... (Below threshold)
Wieder:

"However in geopolitical terms, back in the day when the Soviets were eager for any gain in the area, the Shah was a strong US ally, so much so we had many military cooperative efforts."

By your line of thought, it was ok to screw someone else's democracy because we had a higher purpose...our own self-interest viz-aviz the Soviets and, goddamit, your democracy (Iran) got in our way. Screw you then and now we'll cram democracy down your US hating throats because our purpose has changed.

As I said before, the ends justify the means. And now we're in the ME to export the growth of demacracy?

That sort of self-serving hypocrisy is at the root of why the US is despised in so much of the world.

What kind of democracy exac... (Below threshold)
Robert the Original:

What kind of democracy exacly are you bragging about in Iran?

If Pat Robertson was in control, and he picked Dole and Thompson to run, would you consider it a big democracy?

There is no democracy in Iran, it is just as firmly controlled by the fundamentalists as it was in the days of the Shah.

The difference is that they are now doing things to kill Americans every day. How blind to this can you be?

So far, you have argued that Carter's economy was okay because people survived it. (It was).

You have argued that Carter's foreign policy was great because the hostages survived and the Soviets do not now control areas they once did. This is just not bad logic, it is no logic at all.

And you have argued that Iran is a great democracy and much better than the days of the Shah.

Not one in a thousand would argue these things - you are a joke.

"There is no democracy i... (Below threshold)
Wieder:

"There is no democracy in Iran, it is just as firmly controlled by the fundamentalists as it was in the days of the Shah." Robert the Wiztarded

You have an amazing reading problem which explains clearly why you are dumb enough to be a Republican.

What I referred to was the democratic election of PM Mossadeqq in 1953 which the CIA followed up by engineering his overthrow and the beneficient emplacement of the Shah and his organization of terror, Savak. Has a lot to do w/ what ultimately happened in Iran in the latter 70's, which you, in your bottomless ignorance of US history in the ME, want to lay at Carter's feet

You really are a daft Wiztwit.

Wow!Another absurd... (Below threshold)
Robert the Original:

Wow!

Another absurd claim! I get it, Carter was a wimp because of something the CIA did in the 50's, otherwise he would have been Teddy Rosevelt.

Look, Presidents have to deal with what they get, not what they wish would have happened. At the time, and in retrospect, allowing the Shah to fall without lifting a finger was a bad move.

This will be obvious to even you when they blow up New York.

Carter ran from rabbits.

Jay Leno wrote this; it's t... (Below threshold)
Bill:

Jay Leno wrote this; it's the Jay Leno we don't often see....

"The other day I was reading Newsweek magazine and came across some poll data I found rather hard to believe. It must be true given the source, right?

The Newsweek poll alleges that 67 percent of Americans are unhappy with the direction the country is headed and 69 percent of the country is unhappy with the performance of the president. In essence 2/3s of the citizenry just ain't happy and want a change.

So being the knuckle dragger I am, I started thinking, ''What we are so unhappy about?''

Is it that we have electricity and running water 24 hours a day, 7 days a week? Is our unhappiness the result of having air conditioning in the summer and heating in the winter? Could it be that 95.4 percent of these unhappy folks have a job? Maybe it is the ability to walk into a grocery store at any time and see more food in moments than Darfur has seen in the last year?

Maybe it is the ability to drive from the Pacific Ocean to the Atlantic Ocean without having to present identification papers as we move through each state? Or possibly the hundreds of clean and safe motels we would find along the way that can provide temporary shelter?

I guess having thousands of restaurants with varying cuisine from around the world is just not good enough. Or could it be that when we wreck our car, emergency workers show up and provide services to help all and even send a helicopter to take you to the hospital.

Perhaps you are one of the 70 percent of Americans who own a home. You may be upset with knowing that in the unfortunate case of a fire, a group of trained firefighters will appear in moments and use top notch equipment to extinguish the flames thus saving you, your family and your belongings.

Or if, while at home watching one of your many flat screen TVs, a burglar or prowler intrudes , an officer equipped with a gun and a bullet-proof vest will come to defend you and your family against attack or loss. This all in the backdrop of a neighborhood free of bombs or militias raping and pillaging the residents. Neighborhoods where 90 percent of teenagers own cell phones and computers.

How about the complete religious, social and political freedoms we enjoy that are the envy of everyone in the world? Maybe that is what has 67 percent of you folks unhappy.

Fact is, we are the largest group of ungrateful, spoiled brats the world has ever seen. No wonder the world loves the U.S. , yet has a great disdain for its citizens. They see us for what we are. The most blessed people in the world who do nothing but complain about what we don't have , and what we hate about the country instead of thanking the good Lord we live here.

I know, I know. What about the President who took us into war and has no plan to get us out? The President who has a measly 31 percent approval rating? Is this the same President who guided the nation in the dark days after 9/11? The President that cut taxes to bring an economy out of recession? Could this be the same guy who has been called every name in the book for succeeding in keeping all the spoiled ungrateful brats safe from terrorist attacks?

The commander in chief of an all-volunteer army that is out there defending you and me? Did you hear how bad the President is on the news or talk show? Did this news affect you so much, make you so unhappy you couldn't take a look around for yourself and see all the good things and be glad?

Think about it.....are you upset at the President because he actually caused you personal pain OR is it because the "Media" told you he was failing to kiss your sorry ungrateful behind every day.

Make no mistake about it. The troops in Iraq and Afghanistan have volunteered to serve, and in many cases may have died for your freedom. There is currently no draft in this country. They didn't have to go

They are able to refuse to go and end up with either a ''general'' discharge, an ''other than honorable'' discharge or, worst case scenario, a ''dishonorable'' discharge after a few days in the brig.

So why then the flat-out discontentment in the minds of 69 percent of Americans? Say what you want but I blame it on the media. If it bleeds it leads and they specialize in bad news. Everybody will watch a car crash with blood and guts. How many will watch kids selling lemonade at the corner? The media knows this and media outlets are for-profit corporations. They offer what sells , and when criticized, try to defend their actions by "justifying" them in one way or another. Just ask why they tried to allow a murderer like O.J. Simpson to write a book about how he didn't kill his wife, but if he did he would have done it this way......Insane!

Stop buying the negativism you are fed everyday by the media. Shut off the TV, burn Newsweek, and use the New York Times for the bottom of your bird cage. Then start being grateful for all we have as a country. There is exponentially more good than bad.

We are among the most blessed people on Earth and should thank God several times a day, or at least be thankful and appreciative."

"With hurricanes, tornados, fires out of control, mud slides, flooding, severe thunderstorms tearing up the country from one end to another, and with the threat of bird flu and terrorist attacks, "Are we sure this is a good time to take God out of the Pledge of Allegiance?"

Jay Leno

"Another absurd claim! I... (Below threshold)
Wieder:

"Another absurd claim! I get it, Carter was a wimp because of something the CIA did in the 50's, otherwise he would have been Teddy Rosevelt." Robert the Wiztard

What happened in '79 would have happened regardless of who was president. The Iranians were going to get rid of their brutal tyrant and we were going to pay one way or another for what the CIA inflicted on the Iranian people. It could have been uglier had Reagan been prez and allowed the Shah into the US. One thing for sure, the hostages would never have made it out of Iran.

Belicose fools like you always think that the US can shove its way around the world w/ impunity. Mostly, you end up creating the conditions and malignant attitudes that so much of the world holds for the US.

Hey Wieder, did you think J... (Below threshold)
kim:

Hey Wieder, did you think Jay Leno was joking?
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Carter is absolutely right,... (Below threshold)
Afi K. James:

Carter is absolutely right, although carter was no masterpiece, he was compared to this current president and this adminstration, the bush adminstration is not only the worst ever, it is the worst adminstration more than any other president in 78 years, more than any other combined.
and the two party system is an absolute disaster.

Especially this repuken party and this disastrous adminstration.




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