Convenient Trotsyist while of miltary age and now the Court Twit of the Manhattan Mama's Boyz at the neocon-ized National Review, who, like him, are All In for WW III (or is it WW IV?) because there's no draft law. His article is a low tom-tom between movements.

Warmongering puds.

PS: I noticed no coverage of the latest Gathering of Eagles contrivance here. Like I commented during the DC "event": It's all FAKE. Or 99 7/13% fake.

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"Who says you own Britain anyway?"

This is the Islamic mindset. The world is ours. The world will live under Islam. Those who resist will perish.
It may be too late for parts of Europe but the U.S. should be paying close attention to what is going on across the pond.

How long to some American bastions of liberalism are described this way?

Cant wait to see how SanFran and its minions react to Islamic rule, when women, and maybe even all of those trannies, must wear a veil. I wonder if gays there will be kicked out of town, or just hung by organic hemp/rope from the nearest light pole?

But Joe, just like libs think all they have to do is 'talk' to solve any crisis, islam is a religion of peace.

Trust them ;-)

bryanD,

In the future please ensure that all percentages are converted to decimal form.

Joe Morley,

My math training ended at reading the Ivory soap label while sitting on the pot. As long as my fraction isn't reducible, I'm OK.

And screw the metric system!

Adoption of same is something Hitchens can use as a marker of Brittania's terminal dive.

Hitch makes his point, as ever, with a marksman's aim. How crazy is it to tolerate this kind of thing much less aid its development?

And make no mistake, the same is happening here with those who spring to the aid of CAIR, or defend the nonsense of the flying Imams, and rush to call it racism, or discrimination, or against all manner of PC.

While we worry about pitch counts and bad calls, the immigration barn door is wide open and soon we will be growing terrorists with equal success as London, or Peshawar.

I can't help thinking that Giuliani had it right when he sent the ten million back to the Saudi's and told them to pound sand.

While the same wild and crazy thinks are being said in American mosques.

Kim: I haven't bought an issue of "Vanity Fair" since 2000. Graydon Carter (VF's editor) was so funny when he edited the 1980's satire mag "Spy", but that person disappeared around the time of the Bush vs. Gore Florida recounts, and hasn't been heard from since. I bought this one for the Hitchens essay, but also for the Bruce Willis piece: I think Carter must have blinked when he allowed an avowed Conservative to grace his mag's cover.

Back to London: In 1988, I lived there for four months as a 'semester abroad' student, and have been back about 15 times since. The change is remarkable. I could never live in Central London again. Not just because it is so over-crowded and expensive, but because it isn't British anymore. You have to go outside Central London, at least into what could be considered the suburbs, before you feel like you are in England.

I think a large part of Britain's declaine, and why the Islamists have had such an easy time 'breaking in' is because no one under 40 thinks they have something worth preserving. To be British used to mean wanting a quiet life, having enough food and drink, a roof over one's head, and a garden in which to putter around. No one had any grand designs on being aristocrats, and people were proud of who they were and where they came from. Nowadays, everyone wants to be a rock star, a socialite, a company director or a hedge fund manager (that means increased urbanization, and that doesn't bode well for village/country life).

As such, they really do disdain what it is that makes Britain "Britain". Gone (at least in London and the major cities) are social niceties, minding the queue, taking care of the less fortunate (in a direct rather than bureaucratic fashion), etc. As Britain's young people are busy chasing the financial dragon, they're oblivious to societal changes both subtle and significant. Add to this an indoctrinated belief in multiculturalism, and a 'white guilt' that goes far beyond how that is manifested in the U.S., and you have an environment that is rife for significant Islamist incursion.

Hitchens is one of those guys who thinks that the Judeo-Christian ethic is one of the most evil things to hit the planet and does his best to destroy it. Well guess what. Vacuums get filled. Amorality is a myth. Christianity and Judaism are the things that keep ideologies like Islamofacism and Communism at bay. To destroy one is to aid the other.

Hitchens is one of those guys who thinks that the Judeo-Christian ethic is one of the most evil things to hit the planet and does his best to destroy it.

Actually, Hitchens thinks that religion in general is societal poison. An extremist view to be sure, but one not without a historical basis. Of course, the poison of communism has that too.

Hmmm, indeed I wonder how a nation moved from fish n chips to burkas?

Hmmm..... I think unrestricted immigration has something to do with it, naw, naw, that's just racist of me to say that.

Hmmm..... I wonder if the same thing is happening to the USA? Hey, pass me that breakfast burrito please!

Laws, rules - they don't matter; all that matters is the pursuit of cheaper and cheaper labor. Yes our lettuce is a dime cheaper but we end up losing our country.

Helluva bargain eh?

Hitchen's faith, or lack thereof, has no bearing on his point that radical Islam has a purchase in central London. His article contains proof and the obvious truth of it.

It is not a vacuum into which the Imams advance, it is everywhere through the open door of bad immigration policy.

And the relative strength of Christian's faith will not either matter to the incoming Muslims, unless one thinks that intrepid evangelicals will soon convert them like Geronimo. No, the Muslims have placed some rather large bulwarks to that.

And some will seek to replay the Crusades, either in macro form with the Iranian bomb or street by street in every city in the world.

Yet another religious war. And it is so easy for us to look at radical Muslims and conclude that it is the extreme nature of their fundamentalist belief that is the proximate cause of the problem, not the answer.

And they join Torquemada in their fervor, aims and methods - and that is food for thought.

Langtry is on to something but the changes in London and Hitchen, though eloquent about the threat posed by strands of militant Islam, is being very selective..If he had walked a short distance from Finsbury Park he could have been in Stamford Hill a bustling orthodox Jewish area, or a half mile the other way, he might have wandered into the the heavily Caribbean and African neigborhood around the Dalton market. Sure there have been waves of immigration into the London and UK, but just as importantly there have been waves of emigration from 'the old country. Hitchens recently a new American citizen, laments the former but not the latter.

The reason why radical Islam and antisemitism as a whole doesn't thrive in the US is because a thriving Christian population works as a counter.

The thriving Christian population in this country was the source of antisemitism here for many, many years, and continues today, if on a much smaller scale (and one could easily argue that much of Christian support of Israel is just so much apocalyptic fantasy--Christians need the holy land to stay in the hands of the Jews so the rapture will come. Oh happy day!). Btw, the implication that radical Islam is antisemitic is also absurd, in that Arabs are semites (as are a number of Christians, btw).

Ask yourself this: why is America the only country that takes fighting Islamofascism so seriously?

Because Americans are the only ones who have grasped onto such an absurd term as "Islamofascism?" Anyway, assuming you're talking about violent Islamism, we are most certainly not the only country that takes it seriously. Only in your deluded mind is that true.

Because America is a 95% Christian nation,

Well, more like 77% Christian, but making up numbers is fun, so go with it.

and American Christians are not about to be threatened into rejecting their Christian faith at the threat of violence.

We will not be threatened by threats!

This is why Britain, and Europe as a whole, are slowly morphing into Islamic states.

With all that power that Muslims have in European states.

Christianity in Europe is dead, allowing Islam to flourish without any push back whatsoever.

Well, first of all, you ignore such faithless states as the Netherlands pushing back against extremists. But obviously you're not interested in extremists, you're interested in stopping Islam entirely ("allowing Islam to flourish without any push back"), with force, which of course makes you an extremist as well. You just want an army to do the work instead of strapping on a bomb. Ah, progress.

Despite the word being tossed around at Westerners more than hello, whoever is the most "Xenophobic" will win the conversion race eventually.

Islamic Xenophobia makes Diehard Christians look like rampant multiculturalists.

Eventually Britian and the rest of Europe will see Islam make strides among the currently non-Muslim population. At some point not far off, life will be much smoother for you if you do convert. That will put a positive feedback on the conversion rate. The thing I fear is the Complete Islamitization of Europe will happen so rapidly even those of us who expect it will be shocked at its pace towards the end.

Have you been to the United Kingdom which is a whole lot more than London? When you go beyond London, the "Kingdom" which is made up of the whole of England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland is not very "multi-ethnic" and the Islamic population is no greater than in the United States as a percentage of population and far less than the United States in terms of raw numbers.

Neighborhoods always change, that is nothing new. There are neighborhoods in New York City that were once Irish, that became Italian and are now no doubt something else. The neighborhood that your President grew up in Midland Texas now looks like a Mexican Barrio. I am an IT Professional and have a friend who talks of his former home near Detroit where Mosques and Arabic Coffee Houses have replaced Catholic Churches and Polish Bakeries. I believe that is the largest location of Arabs outside the Middle East.

While France and Germany have a large Islamic population, they are two separate countries but the yanks call everything on the other side of the pond Europe and my friends back home at the chip shops call everything on your side of the pond the Americas. In a decade when the not very ethnic United Kingdom looks very much like it is today, the nations of the Americas will all look like Chile. To that I must credit the former Irishman, Edward Kennedy.

Have you been to the United Kingdom which is a whole lot more than London? When you go beyond London, the "Kingdom" which is made up of the whole of England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland is not very "multi-ethnic" and the Islamic population is no greater than in the United States as a percentage of population and far less than the United States in terms of raw numbers.

My friend in Glasgow would vehemently disagree with you there. As for the percentage of muslims it's 1% in the US and 2.7% in the UK based on the latest numbers I could find(2001 and 2002 respectively).

While France and Germany have a large Islamic population, they are two separate countries but the yanks call everything on the other side of the pond Europe

Considering that France, Germany, Belgium, etc. are doing their damnedest to turn Europe into a single country it's often fair to refer to Europe as a single entity.

Oh, btw, before you hitch your extremist wagon to Hitchens' star, Kim, read the interview linked from his column:

Is the British problem with terrorism different from ours?
Most of our [British] Muslim population is Pakistani. If that population was Indonesian or Tunisian the situation would not be the same. Pakistan has to export a lot of uneducated people, many of whom have become infected with the most barbaric reactionary ideas.

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But incitement to violence?
One of the very few things on which all those texts are very firm is a continual incitement to violence and intolerance. That's consistent in the Bible and the Koran and the Torah, all of the supposed holy books of the desert monotheisms.

But only the Muslims have responded with violence in recent times.
No, I would certainly not say that was true. The armed settlers on the West Bank. The people who blow up abortion clinics in the U.S. They believe they don't just have divine permission. They believe they had divine mandate. And it's not possible to say holy books don't tell them that. It's not.

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But they're not the ones I'm talking about. What about the fight against Hezbollah?
You could say the idea of the corrupt and fanatical theocracy in Iran acquiring a nuclear weapon is something that doesn't admit of any discrimination. It's a threat to everybody. Including the people of Iran. It would be petty to say it's a threat to Jews.

A significant concern for the Brits (and all of the EU) shopuldn't be the muslim "raw numbers" or % of the total population but rather the percentage of the population under the age of 20 that is Muslim. This group is exploding and will soon vote. I read it's around 30% for the UK and over 40% for the EU!! This is due to immigration but also from birthrates. UK's is currently 1.6, the US is 2.11, with 2.1 births per woman needed to sustain a population. In simple terms this means the UK's population is decreasing by approximately 25% per generation. Where will the people come from to fill this void (i.e. pick their lettuce, so to speak)? How about some of the
muslim countries? What's their birthrates? Afghanistan - 6.7. Mali - 7.4, Somalia - 6.8, Yemen - 6.6.

It doesn't take a PhD in social studies or demography to see where this is headed.

mantis, today, antichristianism is a source of antisemitism. That particular evil roots where it will.
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"It is not a vacuum into which the Imams advance, it is everywhere through the open door of bad immigration policy."

Well, that's just lazy. Where does bad immigration policy originate? There are many sources but it starts with an erosion of existing principles. Take the idea of multiculturalism for instance. Or constant accusations that our existing culture is itself inherently corrupt and evil and must be demolished. Who are we to claim exclusive dominion over our land and riches? It is all tied together.

Christianity is the origin of antisemitism.

Horse caca. This is no more true than to say Christianity is the source of the KKK. Many have perverted Christianity to suite their own ends. Taken objectively, the teachings of Christianity in no way endorse antisemitism. It is just the opposite.

Machester United Fan, I live in that area near Detroit - Dearborn, Michigan and yes it's the largest concentration of muslims outside the Middle East. I have seen over 40-some years how the muslim immigrant has changed, the last ten years or so has seen an increase in the number of "fundamentalist" muslims coming here (and probably everywhere).

The reason why so many Americans say "Europe" in stead of England, France, Germany, etc. is because we've listened to all of you! :)

It's because of that horrid thing the EU!!!! Believe me, many Americans would rather have France, Germany, Italy and yes England (or Great Britain) - not the UK!!

Believe me, most Americans are not against immigration, we just want it to be legal and in reasonable numbers. What's been going on with Mexico is not "normal" immigration - it's just business greed and the desire for cheap labor plus the ethnic grivance groups (mostly Latino), who want more and more of "their people" coming here in order to increase their political power.

Muslim immigration, well that's to discuss another day........ Their immigration can be dangerous to your health.... LOL

Christianity is the origin of antisemitism.

Horse caca.......

Who are you responding to? You just pulled that quote from thin air.

Culture matters.....the reason why immigration was so successful 100 years ago in the USA was that the immigrants, whether Irish, English, Scotish, French, German, Italian, Swedish, Russian, Greek, etc. came from different countries, they were essentially ALL THE SAME CULTURE. European, caucasian, Christian, Western culture, that's why.

Thus, culture clash. Who will win? Short of armed conflict, I'd say the 3rd worlder will win due to their superior numbers and the US political elite's desire to pander to them.

Admit that the fear of right wing Christians have driven many into Palestinian support, and thence into antisemitism.
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(typo corrected)Culture matters.....the reason why immigration was so successful 100 years ago in the USA was that the immigrants, whether Irish, English, Scotish, French, German, Italian, Swedish, Russian, Greek, etc. came from different countries, they were essentially ALL THE SAME CULTURE. European, caucasian, Christian, Western culture, that's why.

Today we don't have that. Thus, culture clash. Who will win? Short of armed conflict, I'd say the 3rd worlder will win due to their superior numbers and the US political elite's desire to pander to them.

You are being disingenuous, mantis. JB approximates your statement, only slightly distorting the meaning. My claim is the reverse, that fear of Christianity is now generating new antisemites.
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I agree with you, though, classically Christians have been even more vicious antisemites than Muslims have been.

OK, out of my depth. Sorry Rambam.
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What do you think of al-Masri and Fatah Islam, mantis. What did Foley know?
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What I notice here is a diversion from the message. Either by those on the left who attack the messenger or the otherside who validate their own experience by comparison with Hitchens. An exercise in discussing what shape and the spelling on a warning sign. As for myself, I am dipping all my bullets in pig fat (bacon grease). Muslims do not go to paradise if they are contaminiated with pork. I recommend, and hope we let it be widely known that all our bullets are lubricated with pork, our grenades are dipped in pig fat and our bombs and missles contain lard. That will kind of eliminate the 72 virgins deal.

The spread of Islam depends greatly on naive Westerners who think Islam is a wonderful, spiritual faith and simply don't know that Islam is really very, very political. It is an ideology - a world view that is mostly antithetical to Western thought.

Segregation of the sexes, foot washing sinks, toilets installed so they do not face Mecca, calls to prayer going out 5 times per day via loudspeakers - all this is coming to your neighborhood thanks to mass immigration.

How do I know this? Once again, I've lived with it for 40 years in Dearborn, Michigan.

Hey, Z; the Hell of it is that the virgins remain so for ever so long.
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You are being disingenuous, mantis. JB approximates your statement, only slightly distorting the meaning.

He distorts, and I'm the disingenuous one? Does not compute.

My claim is the reverse, that fear of Christianity is now generating new antisemites.

And there's something to that, for sure. Though I would note that they are not antisemites in any traditional sense, they are more anti-Israel, and the two are not necessarily one and the same.

What do you think of al-Masri and Fatah Islam, mantis. What did Foley know?

al-Masri? I think he's a dead, not dead, dead, not dead terrorist. Fatah Islam? New kid on the block al-Qaeda franchise? Another refugee camp emergence, this time with Syrian ties. What did Foley know? Hell, I don't know much about it. Maybe nothing, maybe something.

Are you implying some closer connection between al-Masri and Fatah Islam? I don't know anything about that.

whether Irish, English, Scotish, French, German, Italian, Swedish, Russian, Greek, etc. came from different countries, they were essentially ALL THE SAME CULTURE. European, caucasian, Christian, Western culture, that's why.

Technically Russians are Asian. :)