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Reformation

"Nobody believes them. It goes to the bigger issue of the lack of credibility our government has these days"

- Fred Thompson, about the proposed Immigration Reform bill under debate and attack


For the past few days, I have addressed weak spots and gaping holes in the various plans to address the problem of illegals in the United States. The response has been contentious, and more than a few people have proven themselves unwilling to do anything more than spew venom and insults. Even among those who claim to be experts in this area. Several people have challenged me to announce my own plan, which sounds fair enough, except that most of those wouldn't give it attention except to attack it and target their present phobias and malice upon it.

I also held off presenting my ideas for three additional reasons. First, I wanted the readers to note that many of the Blogosphere's leading figureheads are not presenting any substantive ideas. They're quick to condemn others and to attack anything someone tries to do, but they are not doing much to try to solve the problem, and therefore they become part of the problem. The Democrats and Liberals have tossed out a lot of garbage, but it's too easy for me as a Republican to just focus on why Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi have neither the inclination nor the mental acuity to present a cogent plan, to say nothing of the wisdom needed to plan for the long term and the nation's welfare. It is necessary and appropriate to sometimes rebuke the self-anointed "leaders" of the Conservative Movement, who collect lots of money and attention but do not feel that they should be answerable for their decisions and positions. The second reason, was that I wanted readers to realize how much of this depends on recognizing the complexity of the problem and the crucial need for each of us to participate in our own interest. The third reason, was that when one seriously thinks through the problem, one inevitably comes to the hard conclusion that the real solution is not the specific plan to address this issue, so much as it is that we as Conservatives have lost what we once were, and we need to reform - once again - for the good of the nation.

Not so long ago, Democrats were soiling their pants on a daily basis. America had acted unilaterally, and worse - successfully - in Iraq and Afghanistan. Our enemies fled before us, and from National Security to Tax Cuts to Supreme Court picks it seemed that Common Sense had returned home and taken up residence, even in D.C. to a degree. This was very good for Dubya and the Right, and awfully scary for the Left and the Wrong. But suddenly it was gone, and the Donkey Kong took over Congress and the Old Media sneered in its renewed influence.

Where did those days go?

The corruption of a few, the indolence of many others, and the self-serving routine of almost everyone else in the GOP is what happened. In a matter of months almost too fast to believe, the 'Party of Lincoln' devolved into egos and petty feuds. An unpopular pick for the Supreme Court was hounded mercilessly, rather than let her have the hearings which the GOP once said were the minimum reasonable standard. A trusted ally was insulted and told - in effect - that the United States would rather have Communist China in charge of our ports than them, simply because they are Arab. Our strongest voice for sanity in the United Nations was deserted by our Senators because the Left didn't like him. And promising initiatives to reform Social Security, pursue Tort Reform, and yes, to set comprehensive, effective, and consistent laws and metrics on sealing the borders and stopping the flood of illegals entering the United States, were all ignored because the politicians did not see personal gains for tackling them. We had chances, many of them, but the Republicans did not want to do the hard work when they had the majority, so it seems more than slightly naïve to imagine that being in the minority will make things better, especially given the way most Republicans have acted since the 2006 elections. Yeah, elections have consequences, and the 2006 elections seem to have turned most Republicans into spineless narcissists. I mean, besides those who were already that way.

Fixing the Illegal Migration and Border Security problems is not really that hard, fortunately. All it really takes is the will to get the current laws enforced, put up the means to physically enforce the law, like a good fence and document sweeps at businesses, and after some consideration, pass laws to cover the grey areas and what was missed before. But what that will require is the willpower, the party discipline, to make a plan and have everyone support it. To understand that getting some of what you need now and some later, is much better than all-now-or-nothing. That's why I kept poking at the suggestions made, because while some were good and some were poor, none of them has a prayer of happening unless the Conservatives realize they have to support the Republican Party, and Republicans realize that they have to stand together. The good news is, that the specific actions which will make it possible to seal the borders and reform Immigration, will also make it possible to tend to the other needs of the nation.

So, here are my specifics:

First off, we have retake Congress. There is no chance, whatsoever, that a Congress under the thumb of the Democrats will ever address the key issues with an attendant sense of responsibility or accountability. To that end, even a RINO is more desirable than a Democrat who sounds reasonable but votes along party lines. Obviously, the more conservative the better, but the first critical action is to seek out and support Republicans. All Republicans.

The second step is just as hard, will take just as long, but is just as important. The original Republicans banded together on one key issue - abolishing Slavery - and never yielded on that point. The new Republicans will also have to decide where their home turf is. I had believed that turf would be National Security, but if it is, then anything and everything - including Immigration Reform - comes after that, and cannot be allowed to break ranks. That does not mean that Republicans should not have a party platform on secondary issues, but we must agree to stand together as a party in order to advance the main issue, even when we disagree on other important decisions. I know that some people want to call dealing with the Illegals a National Security issue, but diluting our position with regard to our response to Terrorism has allowed the Left to call for a retreat from Iraq. If that happens, they will next want to quit Afghanistan and anywhere else that our Democracy is incompatible with the Left. The defense of the nation must not fail, no matter what else it costs.

The third step is to remember that the GOP is the party of ideas and open discussion. No, not all ideas are equally valid or good, but the GOP has always allowed for a range of opinion and even dissent. Slamming alternative proposals by other Republicans goes against the spirit of decades of Conservative and GOP ideals, but this repression of simple conversation is an appalling practice which must end now. Bloggers may certainly prefer one program or proposal over others, but I personally find it obscene how often leading figureheads will deliberately misrepresent alternatives in order to avoid a serious debate. Let's leave that to the Democrats.


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I gave you a method of gett... (Below threshold)
superdestroye:

I gave you a method of getting back credbility on immigration. Allow citizen lawsuits on every provision in any immigration bill. Set deadlines and benchmarks and they allow citizens to sue the government when they do not meant them. that will prevent to non-enforcement and the waiving of requirements.

This is now the left has keep the EPA on track. The Democrats include citizen lawsuits for programs that they like but that they know Republicans will try to avoid (such as regulating greenhouse gases).

When will the Republicians start doing the same thing on laws like anti-discrimination, immigration, deficiet spending, etc?

You've missed a significant... (Below threshold)
Metprof:

You've missed a significant couple of issues:

1) What to do about current GOP Senators who see themselves as "above the fray" or "rouge", and relish in the notoriety heeped on them for such? More so than being a Republican. McCain comes to mind.

2) Some GOP Senators place their personal careers and well-being above the parties'. Specter, Hagel, etc......ie. these folks need to have little party loyalty. Say what you want about the dems but they do this fairly well.

3) Party leadership is weak. Appointing Mel Martinez as the GOP head falls right in line with appointing weaklings like Gonzalez and Gates. We don't need Reagan, just strong leaders with unwavering conservative principles.

Secure borders and "nationa... (Below threshold)
bryanD:

Secure borders and "national security" are inseparable. Dealing with the homefront should take precedence over traipsing around some desert 12,000 miles away. It's not like there's an Arab fleet being built to invade us.
Get OBL, open up the opium concession to Afghanistan to promote stability, and let's wrap this baby up. Iraq's a loser run by girly men in DC. Vietnam redux.

See folks, bryanD shows wha... (Below threshold)
DJ Drummond:

See folks, bryanD shows what I mean. Lefties can't wait to run away and blame the GOP for their own weakness.

The flip side is that the b... (Below threshold)
kim:

The flip side is that the big tent is now too big too hold the whole herd. When running the Democratic Party was like herding cats, they had the intellectual wherewithal to go on a forty year run. Now, they are Kos Dancers, desperately trying to recapture the magic with just the right words, and holding their faces just right.

Relax, they're a joke. Laugh, life is good.
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"The new Republicans wil... (Below threshold)

"The new Republicans will also have to decide where their home turf is. I had believed that turf would be National Security, but if it is, then anything and everything - including Immigration Reform - comes after that, and cannot be allowed to break ranks. That does not mean that Republicans should not have a party platform on secondary issues, but we must agree to stand together as a party in order to advance the main issue, even when we disagree on other important decisions."

Voters have wised up to the use of the homeland security as s smokescreen for all things Republican, DJ. You guys have cried wolf just way too many times for this to be an effective club over the American voters any longer. Shades of Osama bin Laden in the 2006 GOP campaign ads. Ooohhhh... Scary!

It's time to put that horse to pasture and try some new lies. People finally realized, after 5 years passed by following the "Mission Accomplished" decree by Bush and still no Osama bin Laden, that the only "Security" concerns in the minds of Republicans is securing and holding onto political power.

"So, here are my specifics:

"First off, we have retake Congress"

What I said...

Thank you, Lee Ward, for fu... (Below threshold)
DJ Drummond:

Thank you, Lee Ward, for further confirming the analysis. The gentlemen in white have your jacket ready.

The one which wraps the sleeves in the back.

and still no Osama bin L... (Below threshold)
Les Nessman:

and still no Osama bin Laden,

Ooooh, scary! Obl has been relegated to living at the bottom of a hole like a worm for the rest of his life (or he is worm food already, which has been more likely for a long time). But Lee wants to cry wolf again with Obl and use him as a club to beat up Bush.

BDS is boringly repetitive.

"It's not like there's a... (Below threshold)

"It's not like there's an Arab Fleet being built to invade us"

Of course not.

Lee Ward is beyone the men ... (Below threshold)
Scrapiron:

Lee Ward is beyone the men in white with the coat of many straps. Just put him down like a crippled animal. He is mentally crippled or like Bolton said, he can't think, 'his brain is empty'.

Why is John Bolton not running the U.N.? Dhimmi's shot themselves in the foot on this one, again.

How's Fitzfong doing. Heard he can't bring his case togather against another 'criminal' (that is criminal according to him). Republicans should never trust much less appoint a dhimmi to anything. Learn people, learn.

If Gonzales was wrong to fire 8 U.S. attorneys for cause does that mean the next president cannot fire of dismiss anyone?

How about a platform to fix... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:

How about a platform to fix what your party broke, Iraq. Maybe pledge to finish the job in Afghanistan? How about catching OBL?

All those things were promised by the leader of your party. It is time to acknowledge your mistakes and present a plan to succeed.

I live in southern NM and s... (Below threshold)

I live in southern NM and struggle with the wasted border patrol agents. I have to pass through a border patrol checkpoint every time I return from the west. I am asked if I am a US citizen every time.

I know that they ask everyone the same question, yet many illegals(I know) answer the same as I. When I first moved here I went to the border patrol station, and asked what one can do, I was told that this is a tough answer, because as much as we say we want to stop the problem, the illegal has so many options.

I have no answer, everything in my town is in Spanish and English.

Maybe we should annex Mexico? I mean we are supporting a minimum of 10% of the country's population, and already educating those who live in Mexico and walk over to our public schools, the next step seems to be...

Oh look, they're all out to... (Below threshold)
DJ Drummond:

Oh look, they're all out today. Hey Barney, speaking of paying attention to the job, how's "most ethical Congress" Pelosi doing, rooting out all those crooks and traitors in her Partay? Why does Harry "Land Deal" Reid still have a job, let alone Senate Majority Leader?

Stop lying about the other party and clean up your own piss.

superdestroye:... (Below threshold)

superdestroye:

I gave you a method of getting back credbility on immigration. Allow citizen lawsuits on every provision in any immigration bill. Set deadlines and benchmarks and they allow citizens to sue the government when they do not meant them. that will prevent to non-enforcement and the waiving of requirements.

You cannot be serious. Lawsuits never fixed anything. If they did, the world would be a place where all risk was removed from day-to-day life. Besides, citizens already have a way of getting back at those who do not enforce the laws they are oath-bound to uphold. It's called voting them out of office! Let's not add yet another untenable bureaucratic layer to what is already a muddled-down process.

DJ: I see how the usual suspects are employing their usual *fallacious* tactics to attack your more-than-reasonable proposal. As you've said before, it must mean you're hitting a nerve!

We need shoot to kill order... (Below threshold)
LeeHoFook:

We need shoot to kill orders to protect our border. How do you think NKorea, China, Cuba, Iran, etc will address things if potential terrorists were sneaking across their border.

Most coming across the southern border have a net cost to the US govt. Why not tax em up to the highest possible rate, charge em an initiation fee(LOL)equal to what the coyotes charge, and disallow anyone EVER in the US illegally to ever get more out of fed govt benefits that what they have paid in. If states want to allow em benefits, fine, CA will be bankrupt soon enough anyway.

They should also be sent home once they 'retire' since so many 'claim' to come here for the job opportunities. Dont work anymore, good!, then get your azz back to your own damned country.

Also, (D) and (R) need to grow a set, and care more about the 200 million + that live and work here, and forget the 10-25 million that arent yet legal, or want to come here. Citizenship in this nation is a privilege, not a right, and we need to treat it as such.

An amazing post.Fo... (Below threshold)

An amazing post.

For a long time, immigration included an emphasis on assimilation. Illegal immigration (Mexican nationals illegally employed), however, provides America with an underclass that receives pay and housing that is no better than slavery. This underclass has a different culture and a different language. Mexico has no incentive to employ them, and they have no incentive to remain in Mexico.

We must focus on two goals to solve illegal Mexican immigration: wider legal gates with better assimilation, and helping Mexico become productive.

I live in New Mexico, between Arizona and Texas. In every job I've worked, I've either had co-workers or customers who needed translators.

DJ Drummond: I asked on the... (Below threshold)

DJ Drummond: I asked on the previous thread but you didn't respond. On the first thread, I think you tried to smear me, yet you still haven't replied to my request for a detailed explanation of what you were trying to say. Please provide it below.

Why do 'WE' do to do anythi... (Below threshold)
LeeHoFook:

Why do 'WE' do to do anything to address problems in corrupt Mexico? They have all of that oil money, let them solve their own problems.

US sends money to virtually every country in the world, pays way more than a fair share to the UN, the world bank, etc etc etc.

Time for us to take care of our own, reduce the budget and spending, privatize where necessary to increase productivity or decrease spending, and start to address the coming perfect storm of SS and Medicare problems.

Sure, many in Congress and media dont want to talk about it, but the problem is heading or way, whether we like it, or admit to it, or not.

Look at what 'legacy' costs are doing to the Big Three. It'll be same for SS, etc, unless we address it quickly.

I propose a compromise..on ... (Below threshold)
nogo postal:

I propose a compromise..on the troop issue...
We bring all the troops home for two months when the Iraqi Parliament takes two months off this summer..
Then send them back rested and more able to finish the job...whenever the great elected govt. returns..

On a more serious note..
What is clear..at least at this time..is that Dems will unite behind any of the top 4 Candidates while this does not appear to be the case on the Republican side.
Homosexual issues and abortion no longer have the power they had in 2000 and 2004..
but they cannot be abandoned because they were used to build past Republican victories.

There is no leadership in the Republican Party. The leader should be President Bush. However, his pushing this Immigration Bill is causing those who support his Iraq policy to abandon and criticize.

The standard bearers for the Dems..Reid, Nancy P, and Howard Dean(head of the DNC) are openly ridiculed but are supported by the majority of Dems. Just Who Are the Standard Bearers for the Republican Party?(Ronald Reagan does not count)


Glad to hear you're plannin... (Below threshold)
Lee Ward:

Glad to hear you're planning to "Stay the course" on homeland security, DJ. It's worked so well in the past.

I propose a counter-offer.<... (Below threshold)
DJ Drummond:

I propose a counter-offer.

We promise to bring all the troops out of Iraq ... as soon as we can confirm all the insurgents and terrorists there are dead.

I hate to say though, that nogo is right about leadership. Dubya is the leader of the GOP, not any of the various self-appointed wannabes we see.

DJ, do you have any evidenc... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:

DJ, do you have any evidence of corruption? Rove pressured the USAs, using the AG as a front, to heavily investigate Democrats, yet they kept coming up with Repub corruption despite the pressure.

Now you want your party to F-up a whole new issue (immigration) like you have done with (in addition to ones outlined above):
energy, education, privacy, the debt, foreign affairs....

The only things republican can agree on is forcing their religious views on everyone else.

langtry, the Clean... (Below threshold)
superdestroyer:

langtry,

the Clean Air Act as worked because citizens are allowed to sue the government to ensure that they follow the procedures. An individual does not have to have standing but can just do it.

If the government was worried about being sued if they did build the fence or follow the procedures, the government would either enforce the laws. Citizen lawsuits take the economic advantage away form open borders.

Elections work but I cannot vote out the open border, pro big business Republicans in Arizona because I do not live there. but many activist groups would love to sue the feds if they do not follow the rules to the letter.

Gee Barney, you can't even ... (Below threshold)
DJ Drummond:

Gee Barney, you can't even come up with new delusions, you gotta fall back on the ones which were already known to be false?

You're just not even trying anymore, dude!

BG2, the coffee in Seattle ... (Below threshold)
kim:

BG2, the coffee in Seattle would unsettle you.
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Too many in leadership posi... (Below threshold)
Tim in PA:

Too many in leadership positions are old farts who just don't get it. That's the root of the problem.

I have a simple solution. R... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

I have a simple solution. Remove ALL incentives for illegals to come here. No school, welfare, hospitals and heavily fine small companies that hire illegals. ww

What LeeHoFook said.... (Below threshold)

What LeeHoFook said.

I don't see anything differ... (Below threshold)
J.R.:

I don't see anything different in this post above than many of the comments given about your earlier posts on this topice. You list the same "goals" everyone else pretty much highlights and then list your specifics as getting as many Republicans elected as we can. And I'm sorry, but electing RINO's is certainly not helpful as far as immigration policies are concerned.

What about details to the plan, if your specific scenario were to take place, that would be acceptable to most conservatives and Congress?

The one good thing I see about your proposals above is that you advocate letting this bill die on the vine so to speak. I see that as the only current alternative. And since you reger to the next elections and retaking Congress to implement your plan (details still unknown) GWB will no longer be in office. He, as much as I like him on other issues, has been woeful as far as enforcement first and securing the borders are concerned.

DJ, from ethics to social s... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:

DJ, from ethics to social security to Iraq what makes you believe that the republicans can solve immigration? The republicans can't even secure the boarders of Iraq with nearly 500,000 soldiers available (328.7K Iraqi and 150K American) and the most sophisticated military surveillance system in the world?


http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/report/2007/iraq-security-stability_mar2007-02.htm

Hey, BG2, got some hot jive... (Below threshold)
kim:

Hey, BG2, got some hot jive from a Seattle dive.
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Barney, are you seriously s... (Below threshold)
DJ Drummond:

Barney, are you seriously saying you cannot tell the difference between Mexico and Iran?

Actually, you probably could not tell the difference.

Dj, why don't you tell us? ... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:

Dj, why don't you tell us? Why is it harder to securer the boarder with Iran than Mexico? In Iraq you got unlimited funding, 500K soldiers, arial drones, no privacy or other constitutional limits, ..on and on yet the republican allow al Qaeda foreign jihadist and Iranian agents stream across the boards.

Why is it harder to secu... (Below threshold)
mantis:

Why is it harder to securer the boarder with Iran than Mexico?

Clearly they need a fence. No terrorist (or Mexican) can get by a fence.

DJ, don't worry, some peopl... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

DJ, don't worry, some people just don't get it. ww

only tangentially related b... (Below threshold)
Taltos:

only tangentially related but, we should really really really implement term limits in congress. Two in the senate, three in the house. A lot of the pandering and other nonsense would go away if we got rid of the critters more often. Of course it'd take a convention to get it done.

I posted to you what Malkin... (Below threshold)

I posted to you what Malkin's plan was; you chose to ignore it. Just because she doesn't announce it every single time the subject arises, doesn't mean she's

I also can't help if you feel putting you to the same task as you put others is tantamount to an attack. Every single suggestion anyone put up you nearly immediately shot down. That's not discussion in ~any~ view. That's just the opposite of discussion.

The Malkins and Hewitts of the world do have a place in politics -- it's waking people up to the fact of a problem. Do I agree with you to a point? Sure. We must always be wary of those who either speak for us or to us. Sam kinison was once a preacher, not because the message was good but because the money was good.

The thing is: it's all about stopping the flow of aliens and THEN discuss what to do. We can't get to this point, though, even if it's in our best interest to ebb the tide. Quite simply: a large portion of US citizens apparently believe we should have no borders at all.

I think we need to dry up the well. If it hurts the economy, we'll deal and we'll ultimately survive knowing we've done the best we could and as fairly as possible. We need to revisit the 14th Amendment and if we find it does cover jus soli, then discuss Constitutional change. Perhaps fencing would be a good short-term solution.

And of course, the big problem is not discourse, but knowing that our government promised years ago to have the illegal immigration problem fixed, and we find we have some 6, 12, 20, 50 whatever million aliens here doesn't leave much to be desired.

Clearly they need ... (Below threshold)
Clearly they need a fence. No terrorist (or Mexican) can get by a fence.

It seems to be working for Israel.

What's YOUR solution, mantis? Open borders? Magic Dragons? What?

Mr. Drummond: Conservat... (Below threshold)

Mr. Drummond: Conservatives ... have to support the Republican Party.

Perhaps I've taken the above completely out of context but with all due respect (and I have a great deal for you and your views) we do not.

As Conservatives, or at least this one does, we vote for the candidate that best represents our own views. If that candidate happens to be a Republican, fine and dandy.

But now-a-days I'm feeling a lot like Zell Miller, a Conservative who happens to be a Democrat, who said he didn't leave his party. His party had left him.

In my INBOX today was an email from the GOP pointing to a transcript of the comments made by Mel Martinez (who I voted for I'm now sorry to say) to the National Committee on May 19 regarding, in part, border security, illegal immigration, the guest worker program . . .

Too bad, I guess, that last year the GOP didn't pay attention to what some of us were saying.

Not that it really gives a hoot even now.

Voters have wised up to ... (Below threshold)
John S:

Voters have wised up to the use of the homeland security as s smokescreen for all things Republican...

Eventually Al Qaeda will get lucky and hit one of our cities. (Fairly soon if the Democrats keep helping them.) Since the targets are all in Blue states, a well placed nuclear attack would mean 2 million less Democrats. That will pretty much fix the electoral map in the Republican's favor. I'm voting LA, because it will also vaporize Hollywood and make California a permanent Red state.

That will pretty much fi... (Below threshold)
mantis:

That will pretty much fix the electoral map in the Republican's favor. I'm voting LA, because it will also vaporize Hollywood and make California a permanent Red state.

Hoping for the deaths of your fellow citizens. Classy. You and Scrapiron should get together and go bowling.

I'll comment without having... (Below threshold)

I'll comment without having read the thread, but have read your post, DJ.
What conservatives need, in a broader sense, is the confluence of events and emergence of a true conservative leader. Exhibit 1 is Reagan and 1980.

As to Congressional will to impose change look to the Reagan tax cuts in 1982. Democratic controlled congress (for 40+ years), then present bad recession and liberal controlled media. Reagan got what he wanted because conservative leaders (Buckley, Freidman anyone?) triumphed in the intellectual debate.

"The corruption of a few, the indolence of many others, and the self-serving routine of almost everyone else in the GOP is what happened"
"

What conservatives need now is a leader who will identify and expunge those problems. It took forty plus years for them to do it last time. Let's hope it takes less time in this iteration.

It seems to be working f... (Below threshold)
mantis:

It seems to be working for Israel.

They have a little over 400 miles of border (not counting coastline) to cover, and compulsory military service. We have 2000 miles of largely uninhabited desert bordering Mexico, over which more people cross than any other border in the world. I'm all for more border agents, equipment, and such. But a fence would be wasted money.

What's YOUR solution, mantis? Open borders? Magic Dragons? What?

I'm always in support of magic dragons, but there's usually procurement issues. Look, there is no solution in the sense that you will stop illegal immigration. You can reduce it by spending a lot more money on enforcing violations, deportions, and border agents, and defray some of that by greater fines for businesses. That's what probably should be done, but it will never get the level of commitment from Washington you want, because nobody they really listen to wants it to happen, except labor. Unless of course, like Israel, we start having suicide bombers come in from Mexico. If cafes in little towns across the Rio Grande start getting blown up, that would get their attention. I just don't think the Mexicans really have it in them.

Little of this, of course, addresses the majority of illegal immigration, which is the people who are initially here legally.

Ooh, I've got it. We'll pu... (Below threshold)
mantis:

Ooh, I've got it. We'll put fences around them when we give them visas!

That's what probab... (Below threshold)
That's what probably should be done, but it will never get the level of commitment from Washington you want, because nobody they really listen to wants it to happen, except labor.

I agree with you that DC won't give the commitment needed. I disagree with the latter, though. Thanks for the answer.

Ooh, I've got it. We'll put fences around them when we give them visas!

Liberals want to intern foreign nationals?

DJ Drummond "Many of the Bl... (Below threshold)
Atomic Conspiracy:

DJ Drummond "Many of the Blogosphere's leading figureheads are not presenting any substantive ideas"

Beating that same old straw horse like it's 1999!

Trying anything to get us to take our eyes off the ball.

Liberals want to intern ... (Below threshold)
mantis:

Liberals want to intern foreign nationals?

I meant individual fences, but your first mistake was thinking mantis=liberals. I am liberal, but I'm not liberals.

"Thank you, Lee Ward, for f... (Below threshold)
Sigmund Freud:

"Thank you, Lee Ward, for further confirming the analysis. The gentlemen in white have your jacket ready.

The one which wraps the sleeves in the back.
Posted by: DJ Drummond at May 22, 2007 12:45 PM"

I just looked at the list that I gave the "gentlemen in white" and they have you WAY ahead of Lee on their to do list.

I guess Lee will just have to wait.

...but your first ... (Below threshold)
...but your first mistake was thinking mantis=liberals.

Who put that 's' on there? ;)

Mea culpa, or some other latiny stuff.

DJ Drummond: I'm still awai... (Below threshold)

DJ Drummond: I'm still awaiting your response to the question above (search for "smear"; I changed my name since my last two comments were moderated and have not appeared.)

"The only things republic... (Below threshold)
Rob LA Ca.:

"The only things republican can agree on is forcing their religious views on everyone else."

Barney , quit talking out your ass stupid. The only ones trying to force anything on anyone is your Communist party of rats.

"But a fence would be wasted money."

The hell it will. It keeps the Demorats from just walking into my property and taking what they want. Unlike the vote buying schemes that keeps the criminals in office.

For the record, I have not ... (Below threshold)
DJ Drummond:

For the record, I have not "moderated" any comments on this thread, or indeed on any this week.

The commenter who posted at 11:40 PM on the 22nd, therefore, is either delusional, dishonest, or has managed to annoy someone higher up on the Wizbang food chain than me.

"Moderation" is an automate... (Below threshold)

"Moderation" is an automated process; the issue is that they weren't approved. In any case, it's good that we've got that straight.

Now, you can explain what you meant by the earlier comment.

"There is no chance, whatso... (Below threshold)
Jon Sandor:

"There is no chance, whatsoever, that a Congress under the thumb of the Democrats will ever address the key issues with an attendant sense of responsibility or accountability. To that end, even a RINO is more desirable than a Democrat who sounds reasonable but votes along party lines. Obviously, the more conservative the better, but the first critical action is to seek out and support Republicans. All Republicans."

I see nothing has changed with DJ since I saw him last. The reason we are in this mess is precisely that we followed the advice of people like him and voted for anyone with an "R" after his name.

We are now reaping what we sowed by doing this. Its not the Democrats who are the problem here. It is the vast numbers of faux Republicans, starting with George Bush.

"I had believed that turf w... (Below threshold)
Jon Sandor:

"I had believed that turf would be National Security, but if it is, then anything and everything - including Immigration Reform - comes after that, and cannot be allowed to break ranks."

Kicking idiots like DJ out of the party would be a good start. What sort of person thinks that securing the borders has nothing to do with national security, but that fighing a war in Iraq does?




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