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John Boehner: "Ladies and gentlemen, if we don't do it now, if we don't have the courage to defeat the enemy, we will long, long regret it"

I've never seen Minority Leader John Boehner so impassioned, but, Lord knows, I'm so grateful to see it now. Leader Boehner spoke passionately on the floor of the House about the Iraq war supplemental and the government's duty to protect the American people from the al Qaeda terrorists that hit us on 9/11. Hot Air has the video from C-Span and I highly recommend you check it out. Here's part of what Boehner said, from CNN:

"I didn't come here to be a congressman -- I came here to do something," the Ohio Republican said as he choked up with tears in his eyes on the House floor. "And I think at the top of our list is providing for the safety and security of the American people. That's at the top of our list. After 3,000 of our fellow citizens died at the hands of these terrorists, when are we going to stand up and take them on? When are we going to defeat them?"


"Ladies and gentlemen, if we don't do it now, if we don't have the courage to defeat the enemy, we will long, long regret it," he added

The supplemental without a timetable passed the House and Senate and is being sent to the president to be signed.

Update: The Democrats, just off of defeat on the Iraq war supplemental, are standing tall and saying the fight to end the war has just begun. If they just had the same resolve to fight the terrorists, al Qaeda wouldn't stand a chance. But defeating al Qaeda won't get them the White House in 2008, so they've instead committed themselves to defeating the Republicans and the troops.


Comments (95)

It's too bad most of the Di... (Below threshold)
Mitchell:

It's too bad most of the Dims. haven't figured it out yet.

THERE'S NO CRYING IN GOVERN... (Below threshold)
groucho:

THERE'S NO CRYING IN GOVERNMENT!!

A group (democrats) that wo... (Below threshold)
Scrapiron:

A group (democrats) that would sacrafice their children for one more day in power will never get it. They don't want to get it. You have to be really power hungry or really stupid to deny what is in front of you. They are, they do.

"I came here to do somet... (Below threshold)

"I came here to do something," the Ohio Republican said as he choked up with tears in his eyes on the House floor."

Obviously another victim of terrorism. What an embarrassment.

Should we help him find his Mommy?

Everyone in Congress who vo... (Below threshold)
groucho:

Everyone in Congress who voted to extend King George's blank check in Iraq is responsible for continuing to sacrifice our children/husbands/wives/brothers in this debacle.

They should be ashamed.

Seriously... To have one of... (Below threshold)

Seriously... To have one of our government's high-ranking officials blubbering in front of Congress. Good grief, this man is damaged.

What a victory to hand the terrorists, Boehner, you jerk.

Lee, you're such an idiot. ... (Below threshold)

Lee, you're such an idiot. Go back to Wizbang Blue.

"After 3,000 of our fell... (Below threshold)

"After 3,000 of our fellow citizens died at the hands of these terrorists, when are we going to stand up and take them on? When are we going to defeat them?"

This was directed at whom, exactly? President Bush? Military Commanders? The Troops? Boehner's essentially asking, after 4 years of blank checks when do we get results? Republicans in Congress have apparently suffered long enough without victory, and their poised to suffer again in 2008. No wonder Boehner is so upset. Of course, this isn't the first time he's turned on the waterworks.

As a Republican, I'm disgus... (Below threshold)
bryanD:

As a Republican, I'm disgusted with the girly men and risk-averse psycho-babbling incompetents that the warbloggers put up as examples.
Nothing against homosexuals, but a blubbering butch with a swollen tongue from breathing too much hairspray?
Boehner could have played the Tab Hunter part in "Polyester". Lip-locking Divine would be less embarrassing than CRYING.
Isn't this video giving aid and comfort a Big Laughs to the enemy?

ps: Here's some hot inside news from the west wing. Neocon-realist food fight.

http://isteve.blogspot.com/2007/05/remind-bush-not-to-accept-invitation-to.html

Cut the b.s. BryanD you are... (Below threshold)
Michael:

Cut the b.s. BryanD you are not a Republican.

Criticizing or opposing the... (Below threshold)
groucho:

Criticizing or opposing the Iraq occupation is supposed to embolden our enemies? What about this crap? If al-Quaeda watches this they'll most likely be either staring in disbelief or laughing their asses off, not cowering in fear in the face of our tear-soaked resolve.

Boner bawling like a baby b... (Below threshold)
Wieder:

Boner bawling like a baby before Congress?

Tobacco Check John's floodgate of tears before the House is directly proportional to the hour of the day and his volume of cocktails swilled up to ther time of a speech. Boner's emotions can be found in the dregs of a half-gallon bottle of Old Grand Dad.

I can't say that I am total... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:

I can't say that I am totally pissed because I wanted the Dems to pass the funding so we can hammer the Rep on their failed policy in Iraq, so here goes.

According to a recent CBS poll only 20% of Americans think the surge is working.

May is already the deadliest month in Iraq since before the surge.

Sadr has returned to Iraq. Remember how the right pointed to Sadr leaving as a sign of success? If not, please see this from Jay:

"But it's a damned good sign -- both for our overall success, and Bush's "surge" plan." Jay

So his return is a bad sign and an indication of failure.

http://wizbangblog.com/2007/02/14/sir-moqtada-bravely-ran-away.php

The comment section is very enlightening. It would nice to see some of the posters spin their previous comments based on current events.

He's right. It's too bad he... (Below threshold)
JFO:

He's right. It's too bad he doesn't have the integrity to challenge the president and his failed policies to defeat the real enemy.

A group (democrats) that... (Below threshold)

A group (democrats) that would sacrafice their children for one more day in power will never get it.

You might be right, Scrapiron. The Republicans have settled on the more rational strategy of sacrificing other people's children for more days in power. Very clever on their part.

"I didn't come here to b... (Below threshold)
Wieder:

"I didn't come here to be a congressman --I came here to do something " John Boner in tears

Indeed, passing out tobacco lobby checks on the House floor.

Michael: It's true. If I we... (Below threshold)
bryanD:

Michael: It's true. If I were in Virginia, though, I would have switched parties to vote for Webb, but Oklahoma democrats are suprisingly PC and slaves of the NEA.

Besides, Coburn(R-OK) is the best senator in DC.

If you're a Bush supporter, I'm sure you are very, very, very confused at the political landscape these days, but if I were a Democrat, I'd say so. I consider Bush-Cheney as foriegn agents of the New World Order, that's all.

I'm THAT kind of Republican :) Maybe so far Right, that I'm Left.

(If I said I'm FOR Ron Paul, would you hold it against him?)

That's "Leader" Boner to yo... (Below threshold)
groucho:

That's "Leader" Boner to you, Weider!

"Leader Boehner spoke passionately on the floor of the House about the Iraq war supplemental and the government's duty to protect the American people from the al Qaeda terrorists that hit us on 9/11."

How can this be? What have we done to bring in OBL? He's the one that "hit us" on 9/11, and the hijackers are dead, so what's the deal? Why are we occupying a country that had nothing to do with 9/11 again? And the lie goes on and on...

So, um...Assume De... (Below threshold)
JLawson:

So, um...

Assume Dems win big in '08. What then? Drop trou and make 'peace' with Al Quaeda? Knuckle up and go after 'em big time? Promise every dysfunctional group that can figure out how to blow up civilians foreign aid? Cut foreign aid and say "Fuck y'all - learn to get along or you won't get another damn dime"?

Sooner or later, something's going to have to be done, and I don't think the usual 'throw money and ignore them' we've tried for the last 30-40 years is going to cut it.

<a href="http://wizbangblog... (Below threshold)
brainy435:

http://wizbangblog.com/2007/02/14/sir-moqtada-bravely-ran-away.php#475348
Barney was touting Sadr running to Iraq as a failure, now wants his return viewed as a failure too.

Good job, Barn. By trying to "prove" conservative doublespea... which didn't even exist before you invented it... you actually only proved your own.

Retard.

Democrats just can't imagin... (Below threshold)
Jo:

Democrats just can't imagine anyone tearing up while talking about America and the American people. Therefore, they're uncomfortable.

However, take away some of Teddy's drinking priviledges and you could get him to shed a few tears.

Better yet, tell Nancy that it's time to reallllllllllllly clean house, and that includes democrats too, and she'll be bawling like an old lady.

I say we cut foreign aid to... (Below threshold)
BillyBob:

I say we cut foreign aid to all, along with Congress's pension and that of every government worker except the military. Let them transfer what they've paid in to a 401k and match 50 cents on the dollar for the first 6% contributed.

How much would we save then with no foreign aid (that goes for the UN too) as well as no annual COLA increases for those at the Tax Payer Trough.

Hey brainy, I would say tha... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:

Hey brainy, I would say that my comments/predictions were pretty accurate. Sadr leaving did not have a positive affect on the level of violence and was not sign of progress.

What do you got?

There are a group of people... (Below threshold)
Zelsdorf Ragshaft III:

There are a group of people right here who have been outsmarted by a few camel riding, cave dewelling ragheads. These Arabs are more politically astute than democrats in this country. Thirty percent of Democrats believe Bush has preknowledge of 9/11, that fire does not melt steel. Only Democrats fight wars according to poll numbers. Rome fell because the citizens were unwilling to defend what was theirs. Looks like democrats feel the same way. All the BS aside, al qaeda was formed when the Soviets left Afghanistan, claiming victory. They assisted the Taliban and had training areas in that country. When we left Mogadishu in Somalia, Bin Laudin saw the fighting spirit of the Democrats and declared allance with them. Democrats have a lousy war fighting history, save for WWII, no Democrats has sucessfully executed a conflict to victory. Clinton did not win in Bosnia, he just got them to stop fighting for the time being. We are still there. The disloyal opposition displayed here should be disgusting to any person who loves their country. Anything that comes from them is BS. We know it and they know it. Gatewaypundit linked to a blog yesterday that showed more American soldiers died during the Clinton Administration in pease time than during Bush's wars. But we cannot afford the sacrifice. We need to hold people like Lee Ward responsible for what will happen of democrats prevail in their treasonous attempt to cause us to lose to al Qaeda.

On this Memorial Weekend wh... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

On this Memorial Weekend when we remember our veterans and the brave military that have given their lives for us what has the democratic leaders do? Hillary Clinton and Obama denied funding the military operation for political reasons. The speaker of the house is going to Greenland to look at a glacier. How can the lefty loons on this site have the nerve to say they support our troops. Quite the opposite, they dispise the troops. Always have, always will. Anything else is smoke and mirrors. ww

Hopefully whoever wins in '... (Below threshold)
groucho:

Hopefully whoever wins in '08 will recognize the many things that have not significantly contributed to "winning" whatever this ill-defined war on a tactic is and adjust the strategery accordingly.

-invading, and occupying a country that had nothing to do with attacking US, destabilizing a key area of the world even further, exacerbating sectarian conflict and providing a stumulus and training ground for new terrorists.

-providing a limitless flow of capital to private corprations, many with government ties, to build a US infrastructure in said country; military bases, an embassy, etc, while cutting funds for healthcare and benefits for those who have served their country without question.

-weakening our country's ability to defend itself or respond to a national disaster by over-deploying National Guard troops in a land war that has little or no long term strategic value in this ideological conflict.

-listening to both military and government advisors only when it fits with a preconcieved notion of how things should be rather than how they are, and getting rid of those who have different viewpoints.

Just a few things that haven't worked out too well so far.

"Hillary Clinton and Obama... (Below threshold)
groucho:

"Hillary Clinton and Obama denied funding the military operation for political reasons."

That's a lie. Stop lying.

this site is so overrun by ... (Below threshold)
Whizbang long gone:

this site is so overrun by lefties there's no point coming here anymore.

You guys win. Sit back and ... (Below threshold)
Publicus:

You guys win. Sit back and enjoy the war.

The Democrats are your allies. No need to worry about them. And there's no place for people opposed to the war in the political process.

The responses to this post ... (Below threshold)
Metprof:

The responses to this post validate it's content. Way to bait them out Kim.

The not-so-humerous part is they're so wrapped up in their BDS thay can't even see it. They continuously spew the pea soup-green KOS/DU crap while their heads spin (these same old lines are getting boring folks). Meanwhile AQ and other members of the "religion of peace" laugh their ass off while despising their weakness.

"Democrats just can't im... (Below threshold)

"Democrats just can't imagine anyone tearing up while talking about America and the American people. Therefore, they're uncomfortable.".

Tearing up is one thing, he blubbered, and that's ridiculous. Get his Mommy on the phone and send him home.

"There are a group of people right here who have been outsmarted by a few camel riding, cave dewelling ragheads."

Yep, and one of their leaders stood in front of Congress yesterday and cried like a little baby. You can hear the terroists laughing their heads off at the big, swaggering United States reduced to tears because of those awwful widdle terrorists...

I'm disgusted by this example of what sadly passes as Republican "leadership". Crying like a baby is not leadership.

I "got" that as usual your ... (Below threshold)
brainy435:

I "got" that as usual your talking out both sides of your ass. According to you, Sadr out of Iraq is a failure, Sadr in Iraq is also a failure; it wasn't important if he left, it is important that he came back. Pretty much no matter what happens you have your agenda it don't care how much of a liar you have to be to get others to think like you.

Lee, you're such an idio... (Below threshold)
Peter F.:

Lee, you're such an idiot. Go back to Wizbang Blue.

Right on, Kim!

What a victory to hand t... (Below threshold)
Peter F.:

What a victory to hand the terrorists, Boehner, you jerk.

Yet setting timetables for drawing down troops, calling the war "lost" or a "failure" or "we can't win" and other defeatist messages from Congressional leaders and in the media, doesn't.

Hmm, that's rich, really.

The Dems have sold their so... (Below threshold)
Buckeye:

The Dems have sold their souls and the Country for power. What surprises me is that so many people have swallowed their line of propaganda like the trolls above. It's time everybody took the GWOT seriously. My family does not want to trade Democracy and Christianity for Islam. I can tolerate Boener's tears of anguish, but I abhor the wimpy cut and run Dems.

Do Nancy, Harry and Co. think they will retain their power when the terrorists march into Washington? That's not the way it works.

bucky, what a load of crap.... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:

bucky, what a load of crap. OBL is just going to walk down Penn Ave. What a laugh. Take your head out of Limbaugh's ass for ten minutes and get some perspective.

brainy, one more time. I said whether Sadr stays or goes it makes no difference, and I was correct. The right said Sadr leaving was a sign of success, so now I want the right to tell me what it means that Sadr has returned.

"Yet setting timetables ... (Below threshold)

"Yet setting timetables for drawing down troops, calling the war "lost" or a "failure" or "we can't win" and other defeatist messages from Congressional leaders and in the media, doesn't."

Even terrorists recognize that we live in a democracy, PeterLe, and debate and disagreement are the hallmarks of a strong, healthy democracy. We speak our minds, we vote, and all the while... we're still Americans.

Having our political leaders blubbering like a spanked, little child is not the sign of a strong democracy - it's the sign of a defeated one. Get this defeated little child off the stage until he can act like an adult again.

I welcome his strong views and his disagreement with Democratic positions, but he needs to act strong and lead, not blubber. He needs help, Peter.

Buckeye:Once. just... (Below threshold)
JFO:

Buckeye:

Once. just once, I'd love to hear from you righteous fear-mongers just exactly who it is, under what organizational structure and with what methods; "the terrorists (sic) march into Washington..."?

Folks like you toss that crap around - aided and abetted by the nincompoop in the White House. I don't know which is worse - that you believe that crap or you're such a true believer you'll say anything.

More terrorist-aiding propa... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

More terrorist-aiding propaganda from leftist organizations. This propaganda sounds exactly the same as the rhetoric the liberals have been using in the US. Yet liberals don't seem to have a hint of shame when they continue to defend their terrorist-cheering leaders in Congress.

http://www.nypost.com/seven/05252007/postopinion/opedcolumnists/human_wrongs__the_activists_who_love_them_opedcolumnists_ralph_peters.htm

HOW many "human-rights activists" does it take to betray civilization?

After the Fatah al-Islam terrorists holed up in a Palestinian camp carried out a wave of bombings, bank robberies and assassinations, Lebanon's struggling democratic government ordered its army to stop them. The Palestinian refugees themselves applauded the army's efforts, stating that few of the terrorists were local and most were fanatics from other Muslim states. The terrorists ruled with the gun and sought to enforce Sharia law. Their victims want them gone.

The response from Human Rights Watch? Ignore the crimes of the terrorists and criticize the Lebanese army for attacking them "indiscriminately."

No, you explicitly said Sad... (Below threshold)
brainy435:

No, you explicitly said Sadr being able to leave was a grave mistake. Look back at the comment I linked to. Lying asshat.

Sadr ran cause he thought he would assume room temperature during the surge. I suspect the Iranians explained to him that if he wasn't willing to run that risk while formenting unrest for them, they'd just help him shuffle loose this mortal coil right there.

At least in Iraq he has the democrats trying to surrender before we cap him. The Iranians don't have that problem.

Liberals have been crying "... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

Liberals have been crying "torture" to blame the US military. How much crying against the AlQ torture have you heard so far?

How many liberals have been loudly calling for Sadr to assume temperature? Dems can pass a budget to call for defeat in Iraq. Can they pass a resolution demanding the Iraqui gov to take care of Sadr?

Hm.When a Republic... (Below threshold)

Hm.

When a Republican weeps with passion, he's a "damaged" "blubbering butch with a swollen tongue from breathing too much hairspray", who needs to "find his mommy".

If a Democrat wept with passion, he'd be "in touch with his feminine side", "not afraid to cry", etc, etc, etc.

"If a Democrat wept with... (Below threshold)

"If a Democrat wept with passion, he'd be "in touch with his feminine side", "not afraid to cry", etc, etc, etc."

Make up an a argument, attribute to the other side, then ridicule it. Nicely done, blue.

When a Democrat actually stands in front of the house and blubbers, let's talk. Until then - all we have in the way of sniveling, childish behavior is Boehner's display showing a total lack of emotional stability- and its happened more than once with Boehner, a fact the right wing blog-o-matic is cheerfully ignoring.

When a Democrat actually st... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

When a Democrat actually stands in front of the house and blubbers, let's talk.
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Dems actually stand in front of the House/Senate to proclaim that the war is lost every time the terrorists blow up women/children. They even stand in front of the house/Senate to compare the US military to Nazi and Khmer Rouge. What a courageous party! Bravely against the US military and boldly aiding the terrorists.

No wonder Lee is so proud of the Dem party.

Zelsdorf Ragshaft III:... (Below threshold)
sean nyc/aa:

Zelsdorf Ragshaft III:

Rome fell because the citizens were unwilling to defend what was theirs. Looks like democrats feel the same way.

So now we should defend Iraq because it's ours? I guess you take the Pottery Barn Rule extremely literally. We broke it, so now we totally and completely own it. Not in the sense that it's our duty to make it better for the Iraqis, but that we have to fight for it or else Iraq will no longer be "ours". And you wonder why some Iraqis/Arabs/Muslims think our intentions in Iraq are not completely pure.

When we left Mogadishu in Somalia, Bin Laudin saw the fighting spirit of the Democrats and declared allance with them.

What about Beirut? Or Iraq in 1991? Republicans didn't exactly have a strong record against Islamic radicals pre-9/11 either. In fact, it's probably worse than Dems since Reagan sold weapons to Iraq and Iran illegally (as in against laws passed by a Dem Congress), and funded the muhjahidin in Afghanistan against the Soviets (not as bad since the USSR was the more pressing concern at the time).

Now Clinton was certainly no superhero in confronting Al Qaeda, but blaming this all on him or Democrats is an old and tired excuse (just as blaming everything on Bush or Halliburton is pointless as well).

Boehner seriously needs to ... (Below threshold)

Boehner seriously needs to get himself checked into rehab. I think there must be a substance abuse issue going on there.

So deaths in Iraq are up si... (Below threshold)
Gianni:

So deaths in Iraq are up since Dems took control of Congress??

no surprise there.

And the "Trolls" keep "Trol... (Below threshold)
Ran:

And the "Trolls" keep "Trolling"..Bang-Blue isn't enough for them.

Ran,theyre all att... (Below threshold)
Gianni:

Ran,

theyre all attention starved, void of human interaction elsewhere in their lives.

I find it funny most of the time that they have so little else to do in their empty lives they come here so at least 1 person a day pays attn to them. They also feel the perverse need to share with us their hate and misery.

I'll admit the "choked up w... (Below threshold)
Peter F.:

I'll admit the "choked up with tears" is a bit much (and I half wonder how subjective that observation was on the part of the reporter), but it is far, far and away not even close--it's not even in the same ballpark--when it comes to sending a negative and empowering messages to the enemies of democracy (aka: Al Qaeda, et al.) as are the self-flagellation messages of the war is "lost" or of we're fighting a war we can't "win".

If you're a terrorist, which is more empowering to hear to you: a.) Hearing from the leaders of your opposition that they think the war is "lost" and to withdraw; or b.) an impassioned, choked up with tears/teary/"blubbering" plea to not give up the fight.

The answer is ridiculously obvious.

And you criticize him for handing "a victory to terrorists". Again, that's rich, really.

What about Beirut? Or Iraq ... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

What about Beirut? Or Iraq in 1991? Republicans didn't exactly have a strong record against Islamic radicals pre-9/11 either.
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Beirut, Reagan could have done better there for sure, but he was fighting the Soviet Union at the time. Just like FDR allied with Stalin to fight Hitler. Reagan fought against the bigger threat, the Soviet Union, at the time. That 's why we aided the Muhjadeen in Afghanistan. What was the major enemy of America under Clinton? Albright was busy chasing the tails of folks like Arafat and Kim Jong Il.

1991 Bush tried to follow the UN resolution, right? Did the liberals cheer him on to finish Saddam at the time? I remembered conservatives urging Bush to finish off. I only hear liberals crying for obeying UN resolution. If you say that the UN is a corrupt and useless org and we should ignore them, then I agree with you.

Please get your history straight again.

Only a US lib, or a Parisia... (Below threshold)
Gianni:

Only a US lib, or a Parisian frog, can waive a white flag, while acting acting as if its they are the source of military might in our nation.

Peter, Lee doesn't ... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

Peter,
Lee doesn't care about the truth or accuracy of his statements. Lee only comes here to spin just like Brian. They know that they are defending a corrupt party and movement. That 's why they can only spin.

Let me see if I've got this... (Below threshold)
nikkolai:

Let me see if I've got this right. Truth, from the left, consists of:

US troops - Rethuglican KillBots
IslamoNazis/terrorists - Freedom Fighters
Surrender/retreat - Victory
Appeasement - Negociation
Bill Clinton - Super Warrior
George W. Bush - Chickenhawk

Is that about right?

Not quite, nikkolai, except... (Below threshold)
groucho:

Not quite, nikkolai, except for maybe the last one. Truth from the left, and the 70-plus% of Americans who agree, is a failed, mismanaged strategy in the Middle East that is in need of an overhaul, a President whose stubborn, myopic blundering has enabled the deaths of over 3000 brave citizens, and a gutless Congress more concerned with political advantage than doing what's right.

The truth should be obvious to everyone by now; victory for Bush is running out the clock until he can wash his filthy hands of the mess he foolishly created and was too clueless to fix.

"I remembered conservatives... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:

"I remembered conservatives urging Bush to finish off."

Gee then we would be in our 16th year of the occupation/civil war sandwich. Now we got to wait another 12-years to know what a piece a ship bush the II created when could know now.

As far a Boner crying like a baby, I would hate to see how he would react if his favorite tanning booth broke-down. YIKES!!

LAI:You're missing... (Below threshold)
sean nyc/aa:

LAI:

You're missing the point. Republicans fall back on the Somalia excuse as the one example that launched Al Qaeda, but that's just not true. There were many events throughout the course of history, under both Democratic and Republican Administrations, which contributed to Al Qaeda's existence.

Your bit about the UN resolutions in response to my referencing Iraq in 1991 is off the mark as well. The argument isn't about what liberals or conservatives thought at the time, it's about Al Qaeda's perception of the events. So your statement: If you say that the UN is a corrupt and useless org and we should ignore them, then I agree with you., is probably just what bin Laden thinks, and in his eyes it doesn't matter if we listened to resolutions or not - we did not follow through and take out Saddam because we were scared. But we shouldn't run our foreign policy based on the perceptions of terrorists, otherwise their terrorism is working.

Also, read some quotes from Republicans (ctrl + F "somalia") about whether or not we should stay in Somalia (I know, Glenn Greenwald has a Fatwa against him, you can ignore all of his writing, just read the Republican statements). Our withdrawal from Somalia was a bi-partisan effort back when the president actually took the statements of Congress into consideration, unlike the current "unitary executive" theory or whatever lunacy you want to call it.

p'p' they need you over at ... (Below threshold)
jhow66:

p'p' they need you over at "blue". Last time I checked the comment section was overload with 3 on 5 pages of articles. (and they were all from whimpy ass liberals and that nut from Area 51. Oh and by the way "LEE WARD" (snicker snicker) you are the lowest form of pig crap but then again that is degrading to pig crap. So I ask for all pigs to forgive me. GO BIG BLUEBANG

BarneyGRUBBLEThe r... (Below threshold)
marc:

BarneyGRUBBLE

The right said Sadr leaving was a sign of success, so now I want the right to tell me what it means that Sadr has returned.

You want an answer from "the right?"

How about one of "the rights's" leading bloggers?

LEE - candygram.... candygram for Lee Ward.

Read it and weep!

You're missing the point. R... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

You're missing the point. Republicans fall back on the Somalia excuse as the one example that launched Al Qaeda, but that's just not true. There were many events throughout the course of history, under both Democratic and Republican Administrations, which contributed to Al Qaeda's existence.
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Sean,
That 's the typical moral equivalency excuse again. AMerica is not perfect and Iran is not perfect, so we both share the blame.

Again, the Soviet Union was the major threat when Beirut happened. What was the major threat when Somalia happened?

You miss the point completly: After Kennedy, the liberals have consistently advocated cut-and-run against the enemies of America: the communists and now the terrorists. So you try to use Beirut as an excuse for your moral equivalency arg, and you either had to ignore history and revise to justify your arg.

Gee then we would be in our... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

Gee then we would be in our 16th year of the occupation/civil war sandwich. Now we got to wait another 12-years to know what a piece a ship bush the II created when could know now.
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Then don't use 1991 as an excuse as Sean did. Oops I forgot that you like to speak on both sides. We don't know what Iraq will turn out yet. But we do know that the liberal surrender policy in VN costed at least 3-5 millions lives. And we know what is going to happen with the liberal surrender policy will cause in Iraq and even America.

As far a Boner crying like a baby, I would hate to see how he would react if his favorite tanning booth broke-down. YIKES!!
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I wonder how long for liberals to start the fight against their terrorist cheering leaders in Congress. I wonder how liberals react to the news about AlQ torture. I wonder why liberals have been so silent about it.

Liberals have been cryin... (Below threshold)
Brian:

Liberals have been crying "torture" to blame the US military.

Oh, so now you're going to bad-mouth Petraeus and call him a liar?

Michael,If he's will... (Below threshold)
SCSIwuzzy:

Michael,
If he's willing to pull a Jesse MacBeth about being a marine, why not fake being a republican?

Brian:Blame and a ... (Below threshold)
marc:

Brian:

Blame and a Gen. Petraeus warning is the same to you?

That explains a lot.

Oh, so now you're going to ... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

Oh, so now you're going to bad-mouth Petraeus and call him a liar?
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Brian, were you one of the liberals who made a big deal about Abhu Graib and Guatanamo? Now we have a real picture of AlQ torture. Why are you so silent? Are you trying to divert attention and hide behind Patreus exhortation to the troops to excuse the terrorists again? Don't you find that despicable? DO you have any shame, Brian?

Brian is doing exactly what... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

Brian is doing exactly what Ralph Peter condemns here. And he has no hint of shame. Forget he is the founder of Brian 's spin club.

The response from Human Rights Watch? Ignore the crimes of the terrorists and criticize the Lebanese army for attacking them "indiscriminately."

Blame and a Gen. Petraeu... (Below threshold)
Brian:

Blame and a Gen. Petraeus warning is the same to you?

The top U.S. commander in Iraq admonished his troops regarding the results of an Army survey that found that many U.S military personnel there are willing to tolerate some torture of suspects and unwilling to report abuse by comrades.
Brian, were you one of t... (Below threshold)
Brian:

Brian, were you one of the liberals who made a big deal about Abhu Graib and Guatanamo?

Yes, I'm one of those who don't approve of torture.

Now we have a real picture of AlQ torture. Why are you so silent?

I'm not silent. I still don't approve of torture.

Are you trying to divert attention and hide behind Patreus exhortation to the troops to excuse the terrorists again?

Umm... huh? Try reducing your dosage.

Don't you find that despicable?

Torture? Sure do!

Brian, Why are you ... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

Brian,
Why are you so silent about AlQ torture? What you show from the Washington is another despicable example of the liberal media trying to find anything to tie torture with the US military. Can you show me a article from Washington Post or NYT that discussed the AlQ torture manual?
Why the silence Brian? Don't you find that despicable?

AGain, you are proving what liberals are doing:
The response from Human Rights Watch? Ignore the crimes of the terrorists and criticize the Lebanese army for attacking them "indiscriminately."

marc, thanks for link. I a... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:

marc, thanks for link. I am glad he is putting a positive spin on it.

Maybe now Bush will grow some balls and sign the order to capture or kill him once and for all, but my guess is he will let that third rate allo-toe-head to embarrass our army and embolden the terrorists once again.

I'm not silent. I still don... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

I'm not silent. I still don't approve of torture.
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Water-boarding is the same as AlQ 's torture? Are you cheapening torture to justify the atrocities of the terrorists. You liberals spent years to condemn the US military. Why don't you shout loudly condemning AlQ torture now?

You hypocrisy shows your true color. Until you can show me the equal condemnation intensity if not 10 times more, you are nothing but a terrorist propagandist.


Gatewaypundit linked to ... (Below threshold)
Pug:

Gatewaypundit linked to a blog yesterday that showed more American soldiers died during the Clinton Administration in pease time than during Bush's wars.

You fools will believe anything.

Maybe now Bush will grow so... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

Maybe now Bush will grow some balls and sign the order to capture or kill him once and for all, but my guess is he will let that third rate allo-toe-head to embarrass our army and embolden the terrorists once again.
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So you have accepted that the liberal dems in congress would do nothing but enable the terrorists. THe dems can pass a budget to force withdrawal, but they won't do anything to force the killing of this guy. Thanks for the agreement.

>The right said Sadr lea... (Below threshold)
Brian:

>The right said Sadr leaving was a sign of success, so now I want the right to tell me what it means that Sadr has returned.

You want an answer from "the right?"
How about one of "the rights's" leading bloggers?

Thanks for the link. So "one of the right's leading bloggers" apparently agrees with the left that Sadr's leaving was not a sign of success, and that his return is his attempt to become even more powerful than he was before. Or did you have a different interpretation?

Thanks for the link. So "on... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

Thanks for the link. So "one of the right's leading bloggers" apparently agrees with the left that Sadr's leaving was not a sign of success, and that his return is his attempt to become even more powerful than he was before.
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What do liberals advocate we do wrt Sadr? Can the dems pass a resolution demanding Sadr to be taken care of? The loud noise we heard from liberals is to surrender in Iraq.
Brian, do want Sadr killed?

Iran is what Iran is now be... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

Iran is what Iran is now because of Jimmy Carter letting the Shah be deposed because he didn't "like"him. Ayatollah's came to power. The powerful terrorism movement got it's start from Jimmy and the hostage embarassment.

Oh yeah! H. Clinton and Obama sold out their vote to financially support our troops for politics. How disgusting this memorial weekend. Lib's must be proud. ww

Why are you so silent ab... (Below threshold)
Brian:

Why are you so silent about AlQ torture? ... Why the silence Brian?

Why do you keep calling me silent when I keep responding to you? Do you have some sort of problem?

Don't you find that despicable?

Yes, I've said it before. I find torture despicable. Are you having trouble reading?

Yes, I've said it before. I... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

Yes, I've said it before. I find torture despicable. Are you having trouble reading?
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You spent years to condemn the US military for "water-boarding". Now what are you going to do to publicize the AlQ real torture. Please show me example of the massive PR that liberals are going to do to shame AlQ wrt torture.

Until you can show me that all your talk about torture is simply a propaganda for the terrorists.

Water-boarding is the sa... (Below threshold)
Brian:

Water-boarding is the same as AlQ 's torture?

Petraeus says we need to "occupy the moral high ground". You're welcome to disagree with him.

Are you cheapening torture to justify the atrocities of the terrorists.

Sorry, I must have missed it... please point out where I justified the atrocities of the terrorists.

Why don't you shout loudly condemning AlQ torture now?

I CONDEMN AQ TORTURE! You really should get your problem checked.

You spent years to conde... (Below threshold)
Brian:

You spent years to condemn the US military for "water-boarding".

I did? Hmm, nope, doesn't ring a bell. But anyway, now I don't have to worry about that anymore because Petraeus is doing it for me. Why do you hate our generals?

I CONDEMN AQ TORTURE! You r... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

I CONDEMN AQ TORTURE! You really should get your problem checked.
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Cheap talk! Show me the links of what you have posted on the AlQ torture manual. Also show me similar discussion of AlQ torture manual on liberal blogs or news sources like Washington Post and NYT. Otherwise, I have to conclude that liberals only care about torture when they can use it to condemn the US.

So now we learn that bush w... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:

So now we learn that bush was warned (intelligence estimate) that an invasion would lead to secular violence, al Qaeda gaining a foothold in Iraq and a global increase in islamo-fascist.

I guess bush can fall back on the excuse that he doesn't read.

If you want to get a better... (Below threshold)
Republican:

If you want to get a better idea how the Iraqi people feel about all this, you should watch this movie, made by Iraqis in Iraq:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0463971/

http://www.blockbuster.com/catalog/movieDetails/261499

Brace yourself; some of these people love America, Americans, and Bush.

I'm disgusted by this e... (Below threshold)
Jo:

I'm disgusted by this example of what sadly passes as Republican "leadership". Crying like a baby is not leadership.

It sure beats our former "leader" who liked to get blow jobs while on the phone ordering troops around the globe.

Wow. Just wow.

Barney speaks on both sides... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

Barney speaks on both sides of his mouth again. Typical liberal double speak. Captain Ed discussed this today. At least Barney seemed to agree that the liberal Dems cannot be counted on to take care of Sadr or anything else. Liberal dems can only be counted on to find any excuse to surrender in Iraq.

http://www.captainsquartersblog.com/mt/archives/010069.php
So Now They Believe Saddamists And Islamists Would Work Together?

Here is the link of Lorie '... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

Here is the link of Lorie 's article (which was posted here already) from RealClearpolitics. AlQ can definitely count on the liberal media in the West and Brian's club to do their PR work.

http://www.examiner.com/a-745365~Lorie_Byrd__Al_Qaeda_mastered_media_manipulation_in_Iraq.html

Al Qaeda mastered media manipulation in Iraq

"Iran is what Iran is no... (Below threshold)
Wieder:

"Iran is what Iran is now because of Jimmy Carter letting the Shah be deposed because he didn't "like"him." WildWillie

Hey Ahole, get your history straight. The decision never was Carter's. The Iranians finally deposed the terrorist regime of the Shah 26 years after the CIA had engineered the overthrow of Iran's democratically elected government because the US wanted a reliable thug ally on the Soviet border. So much for our admiration of democracy or our slightest concern for others' human rights.

You oughta know a little history so you don't make a gaping ass of yourself and show just why you are dumb enough to be a Republican.

At first it kinda sounded l... (Below threshold)

At first it kinda sounded like he was drunk, but then I realized he was trying not to cry. That's either extremely touching or really wimpy, depending on one's viewpoint. I'll go with the former because I think he was sincere and sincerely frustrated that people weren't getting it.

Gatewaypundit linked to ... (Below threshold)

Gatewaypundit linked to a blog yesterday that showed more American soldiers died during the Clinton Administration in pease time than during Bush's wars.

I answered this in another thread awhile back. This is only true if you compare any soldier that died in any way under Clinton to the deaths of soldiers that were directly caused as a result of the wars under Bush. Not exactly apples to apples. If you compare total military deaths under Clinton per year to total military deaths under Bush each year, Clinton comes out significantly ahead. Also, the death rates under Clinton got better almost every successive year he was in office while they got worse every year under Bush.

Clinton to the 66.3 deaths per 100,000 per year troops he inherited from George Bush I and reduced it to 49.5 in his last year in office. Bush II on the other hand saw that immediately reverse to 57.5 his first year in office and then double to 117.2 by 2005. I don't have final figures for 2006, but it is a good guess that the rates were at or above that number.

While the comparison of soldiers lost in this war is very, very light compared to previous wars, trying to make the comparison to soldiers killed under Bush and Clinton look favorable to Bush only works with a good dose of intellectual dishonesty.

I'll tell you something bee... (Below threshold)
kim:

I'll tell you something beezarre and that is the new AP article about Sadr re-surfacing in Iraq. They don't mention Sistani!
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Hey Ahole, get your hist... (Below threshold)
Peter F.:

Hey Ahole, get your history straight.

You should talk...

The Iranians finally deposed the terrorist regime...

No, it was 2,500 year monarchy. His rule may have become more autocratic near the end, but with good reason; his rule was threatened by the Ayatollah Khomeini...and the Iranian Communist party.

...of the Shah 26 years after the CIA had engineered the overthrow of Iran's democratically elected government because the US wanted a reliable thug ally on the Soviet border....

Um, again, no. The Shah was overthrown by the S'hia, due largely to his support and recognition of Israel and his progressive Westernization of Iran. (Oh, and did I mention the Iranian Communist party?) To even suggest, let alone say, that the IRC and the Ayatollah were some kind of CIA machination that we put in place to be a "thug ally on the Soviet border" when the Shah was already pro-US is just numbingly stupid.

..a gaping ass of yourself ...

Your proctologist called. He found your head.

This isn't even revisionist history. It's just...well...crap.

PeterF...you don't know wha... (Below threshold)
Wieder:

PeterF...you don't know what you are talking about. Not surprising.

The Iranians had a revolution in the early 20th century and the estrablishment of a constitutional government. Mossadeq was democratically elected PM in 1951.

The CIA, under Kermit Roosevalt in Tehran & the UK conspired to overthrow the constitutionally elected Mossadeq in 1953, primarily over the issue of oil. Iran at that time was not an absolute monarchy.

The US & UK installed Reza the shah who ruled w/ brutality thru his development of Savak.

The US apologized to Iran in 2000 for its role in the '53 coup d'etat.

From what you are saying about the 2600 years of the shah, I would assume that the US is still a part of the UK, since our revolution dosesn't count.

You are the gaping ass who doesn't know history & that is why you are an ignorant Republican Bush suckophant.

I'll respond later when tim... (Below threshold)
Peter F.:

I'll respond later when time allows. But one thing is clear: Willie and I are specifically talking about Iran in 1979, not 1953. This is not ignore 1953 or not give the coup importance, but Iran is the way it is today because of the events in 1979 and the rise of the Supreme Iraqi Islamic Council and Carter's complete failure to deal with them.

After thinking about this, ... (Below threshold)
Peter F.:

After thinking about this, it is a fallacy to imply/infer that, if it weren't for the '53 coup, there would not have been a 1979. The events of '53 certainly had a role in the events of 1979; and the the same can be said for 2007 in regards to 1979; the events of both periods lead us to where we are today.

I believe your central argument is this in a nutshell: If not for 1953 and our seeming imperialism (or however one wishes to label it), we would not have the situation we have today. (Nor would 1979 have happened.) This is preposterous and a fallacy with no basis in reality.

If I'm wrong, explain how.

Wieder, silly, the issue wa... (Below threshold)
kim:

Wieder, silly, the issue was a warm water port, not oil, so much. And it was the Cold War, which we've won, after much, much exertion.
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