There are times when loud and obnoxious is funny. Comics can be the most insightful commentators, reducing essential human reality to a few words and a punch line.

Rosie is doing punch lines but she isn't reducing essential human reality to a few words, and she's not funny.

The truther stuff is not funny. The lies about who is killing Iraqis in Iraq is not funny.

And it's not big fat lesbian Rosie vs. pretty Christian Elizabeth. When Rosie decided that she didn't need to pretend to be straight anymore she *also* decided that she didn't need to pretend to be NICE anymore. People didn't used to like her because they thought she was straight. They used to like her because they thought she was nice.

"They used to like her because they thought she was nice." ~ Synova

Bingo!

Excellent column - my only complaint is that Rosie's picture is on both pages . . . and is it really necessary to put "click to enlarge" by them? I mean, it's scaring me.

"truthers," "9/11" and "conspiray" all in the same post and bryanD[elusional hasn't shown up yet!

Miracles never cease.

Musta ran down to the nearest 7/11 to puuchase a new roll of foil.

Today's Bush Haters will go to their graves thinking he stole the election.

"Today's Bush Haters will go to their graves thinking he stole the election."

I don't give a shit what they go to their graves thinking , I just wish they would go there already. Sheeesh!

I'm about halfway through Vince Bugliosi's excellent RECLAIMING HISTORY, his massive, point-by-point debunking of every looney conspiracy theory that's grown up around the JFK assassination.

Lorie Byrd's point is the same one Bugliosi hammers home; lies - even stupid, obvious lies - which are left unchallenged in the retelling long enough can transmogrify into "truth." If people are stupid enough to believe that it's possible to have a conspiracy between Gerald Ford and Earl Warren, between the CIA and the KGB, between the media and oil barons, between Lyndon Johnson and Richard Nixon ... well, it only takes a little more Reynolds Wrap on their little tinfoil hat to imagine George W. Bush was the 20th hijacker on 9/11.

SS

Here's the best video I've seen so far addressing the mechanics of why WTC was a controlled demolition. The first and last 15 minutes or so isn't that great (slide show first, speeches ending), but the middle hour really rocks and is very specific. Must see. Addresses "kink", order of firing columns, etc.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8076200333701191665

Here's the best backgrounder on 9/11: ABLE DANGER, neocons, Florida, put options, FBI, Maxwell AFB, drug running.
I linked to it yesterday. Must see.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8372366181300641663

If anyone can link to any rebuttal videos, let me know. (Do they not exist?)
Lorie, if you can link to the original PM article, I'd appreciate it. I think they burned all copies. The revisited version is laughable and without the fake schematics of the first. I've already seen the Democracy Now debate. (PM lost "we're not engineers, we're writers"(!))

sansouccy, For gawd's sake DON'T READ Bugliosi's book about the stolen Florida election of 2000!!!

"truthers," "9/11" and "conspiray" all in the same post and bryanD[elusional hasn't shown up yet!-marcia"

Damn, dudette! Not everyone's up doing amyl nitrate at 3am. Thanks, for *thinking* of me(?)!

Pssst,bryanDirtbag Area 51 is calling!!! LMAO at whats got to be the dumbest shithead on the planet. Hurry BD' they close at noon today. (oh by the way, have you talked to Rosie about melting steel in the microwave?) he he -snicker snicker

The people that believe the 9/11 conspiracy nonsense just hate america and probably themselves. ww

These slogans are all the left/Dims have. So they won't abandon them. Poor saps.

If 9/11 was an "Inside Job", I have to ask: how about the first attack on the towers in 93? How about the Kobar towers? the Barracks in Riyadd? Mogadishu? How about the USS Cole?

If memory serves me correctly, it seems that those earlier incidents made the sitting administration look like ineffectual fools. So, I could believe that they were pulled off by a Rove/Cheney cabal. However, I cannot believe that Rove or Cheney could believe that George Bush would be a good enough public speaker to look good after an attack on the Pentagon and the Twin Towers. Therefore: If 9/11 was an inside job, it would have to be the Democrats that pulled it. Does anyone know where Terry McCaulif and Tom Daschle were that day?

For a great vid clip of Hasselbeck, Dumb Blonde, picking her lunch on The View, take a look.

Completely agree!!! Did we not found our country on UNITY??? Its people like Joy Behar, and Rosie that are in the spotlight all the time that are causing our country to disown the beliefs that this country was founded on just because they want to have confrontation!! I commend Elisabeth Hasselbeck for being one of the FEW celebrities that KNOW the facts and stand up for our country!! She is not Dumb little Elisabeth I think she is smarter than people think.

A friend told me he had a 100% guaranteed cure for those imbeciles that suffer from bouts of utter stupidity and chronic BDS , "Mercy Killing".

Does anyone know the origin of the "655,000" dead Iraqis figure that Rosie loves to throw about?

As we haven't carpet-bombed any Iraqi cities, I don't see how we could have accidentally killed anywhere near that many people.

Are there any more "accurate" estimates from reliable sources.

Does anyone know the origin of the "655,000" dead Iraqis figure that Rosie_ joe-6-pack

The Lancet. It's the most prestigious medical journal in the world. British. Makes JAMA look like an issue of Scrooge McDuck.

And it's "excess deaths" not "Iraqis that Americans killed."

It's all deaths (supposedly) compared to all deaths before the war (supposedly) and they look at the difference and say that 655,000 people died *extra* than would have died normally under Saddam.

It's not even counting people who died violently one way or another.

I find this interesting, of course, since I seem to be the only human on the planet that remembers how all the Iraqi children were being killed by the evil Americans because we were insisting that Saddam couldn't have weapons grade chlorine to treat the water.

A Google and I find, "Advocates of ending sanctions have accepted Iraqi claims without critical examination. One report, estimating excess deaths of children under five years of age at 500,000 in 1995 (44), has since been often repeated by others as evidence of attempted genocide."

Oh my... 500,000 *excess* deaths of children under five years in 1995. Just for one year!

No one remembers this.

It amazes me.

It's not *just* counting people who died violently.

Thanks for the Lancet info. Now I remember a little more, but wasn't the Lancet estimate from, say two years ago, more like 110,000? Was Rosie just extrapolating a little, fudging some numbers?

As for the "It's all deaths (supposedly) compared to all deaths before the war (supposedly) and they look at the difference and say that 655,000 people died *extra* than would have died normally under Saddam" - does that include the people in the mass graves or not?

As much as anything, I would like to see someone counter Rosie's Big Lie about the 655,000 dead Iraqis, or at least force her to explain where she got the figure.

Nice going, lets kill those who don't agree with us.

A friend told me he had a 100% guaranteed cure for those imbeciles that suffer from bouts of utter stupidity and chronic BDS , "Mercy Killing".
Posted by: Rob LA Ca. at May 25, 2007 01:04 PM

Wizbangers are all a bunch of IDIOTS. Yes 70% of Americans polled who find something wrong with the governments story concerning 911, are all crazy. Odds would favor the other 30% being crazy, rather than 70%.
Bunch of dead enders with blinders on.

Well, Bert, since all it takes is a poll to change the reality of the fabric of the universe...

I don't know why people are so fond of conspiracy theory but I consider it a mental illness like paranoia.

It has to be when "something wrong" is the only metric that matters. No answers need be provided, just the questions. It becomes, "I don't understand this, therefore I'm smarter than you for having questions about it."

Because past the "questions" the answers are so utterly impossible that it defies sanity. So the "questioners" never bother with answers, only the questions.

I've got my resume in for evil mastermind, I swear, because according to the "questioners" the evil mastermind behind 9-11 makes Dr. Evil look like a man of sense when he scraps his legitimate empire to hold the world for ransom because "I'm evil, it's what I do."

Seriously... the most popular action-thriller fiction writer who makes his fortune from deep government conspiracies could *not* sell the truther crap.

Elizabeth is just a dumb blonde christian Republican Fox-watchin' booger picker, a trick she learned from her biggest fan, Lorie.

Wieder: Even I think you're being to rough on E this time. Don't you know how women are?
If Joy would have discovered after the show that E let her go through (an) hour(s) of taping with a booger/dead skin hanging out of her nose and possibly immortilized on videotape, E might have ended up in several plastic bags on the side of the New Jersey Turnpike.
Behar is Catholic. Possible mafia connections.

Wieder, I have not been Elisabeth's biggest fan. I have been really critical of her in the past for not having the facts at hand and for letting Rosie bully and insult her. I am just cheering the fact that she did a bit of investigating so she could refute Rosie with facts and that she finally said enough is enough.

As for being a booger picker, I don't know how she would have learned it from me, but I have picked my share of boogers out of my kids' noses. I hate seeing a kid with a dirty nose. It is just one of those things that really bugs me. I always tried to keep tissues and wet wipes with me when the kids were small. Luckily they are old enough to keep their own noses clean now.