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"Cold Cash" Jefferson Indicted

As Jay at Stop the ACLU said, it is about time. Via AP:

Rep. William Jefferson, D-La., was indicted Monday on federal charges of racketeering, soliciting bribes and money-laundering in a long- running bribery investigation into business deals he tried to broker in Africa.

The indictment handed up in federal court in Alexandria., Va., Monday is more than an inch thick and list 16 alleged violations of federal law that could keep Jefferson in prison for up to 200 years.

I wonder how prominently this will be discussed places like Good Morning America and Jay Leno, and when it is, I wonder how many will include the party affiliation. I would say this makes it harder for the Democrats to use the "culture of corruption" charge against Republicans, but since all this was known about Jefferson prior to the last election, and they used it anyway, I guess it doesn't make much difference.


Update: Macranger thinks there may be some others in congress who were involved.

Ed Morrisey points out some whitewashing going on at The Washington Post. In the Post story they reported the House expelled Jefferson from the Ways and Means Committee, but that "Jerry Markon and Allan Lengel never bother to mention that Pelosi later assigned him to the high-profile Homeland Security committee, and that he sits there still." It will be interesting to see how this one is covered. (UPDATE: Please read the comments to this post regarding discussion on the Homeland Security Committee seat. Ed has updated his post (which I linked earlier) to say the Washington Post was not wrong, linking a list of current members. I guess Ed was referring to the "he sits there still" line in his post. The Democrats did, however, vote to give Jefferson the seat, at least that is what CNN reported in February:

Eight months after Louisiana Rep. William Jefferson was ousted from the powerful House Ways and Means Committee for allegedly chilling stacks of dubious cash in his freezer, his Democratic colleagues voted to give him a seat on the Homeland Security Committee.

The House Democratic caucus approved Speaker Nancy Pelosi's appointment Tuesday of Jefferson to the homeland security panel, a decision that has come under fire from Republicans.

After the meeting, Jefferson said the vote was "not contentious" and that there was "no dissent."

Pelosi also said the homeland security panel "is an appropriate place for him to be," given its jurisdiction over matters related to Hurricane Katrina, which devastated Jefferson's New Orleans-area district.

In June, Pelosi moved to strip Jefferson of his assignment on the tax-writing Ways and Means Committee after federal prosecutors revealed $90,000 in cash had been found in the congressman's freezer in August 2005.

The money was divided among various frozen food containers, according to a heavily redacted affidavit on the case.

Soon after Jefferson was stripped of his position on the committee, he accused Pelosi of "singling" him out, using his troubles for political gain. "[Pelosi] believes that it gives her a political advantage in this set of elections," he said. "She hopes that out of this she'll be speaker of the House one day, if the Democrats can take charge."

In response to that action, Republicans objected and the appointment was put on hold. I really think the Washington Post should have included all of that in their story. If you read the Post story linked, it absolutely gives the wrong impression.

Update II: McQ asks "What will the most honest and open congress do now?"


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Comments (100)

Good, you see Nancy is keep... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:

Good, you see Nancy is keeping her promise to clean-up Congress.

Pelosi put this crook on th... (Below threshold)
Justrand:

Pelosi put this crook on the Homeland Security committee!!

yes, yes...innocent until proven guilty. Still, having $90,000+ in marked bills in your freezer looks like pretty good "proof".

You mean the same Nancy tha... (Below threshold)
D-Hoggs:

You mean the same Nancy that appointed him to the Homeland Security post barney?!?!?! HA! You've GOT to be joking!

That's exactly what I calle... (Below threshold)
Paul Hamilton:

That's exactly what I called him in my "Blue" posting on this story. He's a crook and he should be in jail.

I'm SUUURE that nancy is be... (Below threshold)
D-Hoggs:

I'm SUUURE that nancy is behind the indictment barney, idiot.

Give me a break - they put ... (Below threshold)

Give me a break - they put him on Homeland Security? A guy whose best idea for hiding stolen loot it to put it in the freezer?! Of all the crooks in Congress, can't we come up with some a little more inventive than that?

(stolen...ill-gotten...you ... (Below threshold)

(stolen...ill-gotten...you get my point, even if I did mis-type)

I'm not finding Jefferson l... (Below threshold)

I'm not finding Jefferson listed as a member of the Homeland Security committee, Lorie.

Homeland Security committee website (click on the "membership" link that's titled Committee Membership. Jefferson isn't listed.

Again you can tell what par... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

Again you can tell what party has integrity and the other that does not. Tom Delay was indicted and he resigned. Foley resigned without an indictment, just the appearance of impropriety. The dimmers do absolutely nothing. They embrace their corrupt peers. Remember the cheering party on the White House lawn after Clinton was impeached. Says it all. ww

CNN's website listed this s... (Below threshold)
yo:

CNN's website listed this story ... about halfway down the "Latest News" links:

"U.S. congressman indicted in bribery case"

And, the headline of the article:

"Louisiana congressman indicted in bribery probe"

So, Lorie, you're prediction already came true.

Now, for those PowerBall numbers ...

I checked because I remembe... (Below threshold)

I checked because I remember the controversy when Pelosi said she planned to appoint Jefferson, but I never heard or read that he was actually appointed and is now serving on that committee - which could explain why it isn't mentioned in the Washington Post story -- or not.

As I recall there was quite a stink raised when the appointment was announced, and I thought at the time --- wow, that ain't happening -- so I was surprised to read Lorie's post indicating that the appointment had actually been voted on and approved.

Ha Ha, not on the committee... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:

Ha Ha, not on the committee http://homeland.house.gov/about/members.asp.

Now how about that Jerry Lewis? When is he going to get replaced as the ranking Republican member of the House Appropriations Committee?

Looks like the Dems are more ethical than the Pubs.

"WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Eight ... (Below threshold)

"WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Eight months after Louisiana Rep. William Jefferson was ousted from the powerful House Ways and Means Committee for allegedly chilling stacks of dubious cash in his freezer, his Democratic colleagues voted to give him a seat on the Homeland Security Committee.

The House Democratic caucus approved Speaker Nancy Pelosi's appointment Tuesday of Jefferson to the homeland security panel, a decision that has come under fire from Republicans.

After the meeting, Jefferson said the vote was "not contentious" and that there was "no dissent."

Pelosi also said the homeland security panel "is an appropriate place for him to be," given its jurisdiction over matters related to Hurricane Katrina, which devastated Jefferson's New Orleans-area district."

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/02/27/jefferson.homeland.security/index.html

Thanks, Falze - that confir... (Below threshold)

Thanks, Falze - that confirms it.

"The House Democratic caucu... (Below threshold)
brainy435:

"The House Democratic caucus approved Speaker Nancy Pelosi's appointment Tuesday of Jefferson to the homeland security panel, a decision that has come under fire from Republicans. "

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/02/27/jefferson.homeland.security/index.html?eref=rss_politics

Barney's lying again? I'm shocked.

Or not...

... actually, looking at Go... (Below threshold)
yo:

... actually, looking at Google news results, the NYT (odd) nabs him as Democrat, but a VAST majority of the rest do not. The only mention of his party is the "(D-LA)"

Foxnews.com has him listed, in the headline, as Congressman; but by-lines the party.

As for the committee assignment:

"The House Democratic caucus approved Speaker Nancy Pelosi's appointment Tuesday [Feb 27, 2007] of Jefferson to the homeland security panel, a decision that has come under fire from Republicans."

Missed it by THAT much...</... (Below threshold)
brainy435:

Missed it by THAT much...

actually, Lee, Pelosi NOMIN... (Below threshold)
Justrand:

actually, Lee, Pelosi NOMINATED him, but the Republicans (for once) showed some spine and blocked his appointment. This was after she withdrew his nomination to the Ways & Means Committee (you know, where they handle the MONEY?)

Apparently they have FROZEN him out of these committees!

Faze, Brainy and I owe each... (Below threshold)
yo:

Faze, Brainy and I owe each other a coke.

However, after the Republic... (Below threshold)

However, after the Republicans objected to the Dems just popping Cold Cash on the committee and were going to force a roll call vote, Pelosi put his nomination 'on hold' and that's where it is now:

"WASHINGTON -- House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., has again put off a controversial vote on seating Rep. William Jefferson, D-New Orleans, on the Committee on Homeland Security.

The vote was expected this week after being postponed last week, but Democratic leadership aides said Tuesday that it is now unlikely. They couldn't say when it will take place. Republicans have objected to putting Jefferson on the committee while he is a target of a federal bribery probe."

http://www.nola.com/archives/t-p/index.ssf?/base/news-1/1173252012246120.xml&coll=1

So, everybody's kinda right and kinda wrong. The Democrats were going to put him on there, and Pelosi has always been behind having him on the committee, but isn't willing to expose her party to an open vote on it. The statement that he is 'still serving on the committee' is clearly wrong, though.

"Looks like the Dems are mo... (Below threshold)
Rob LA Ca.:

"Looks like the Dems are more ethical than the Pubs."

This "is" the wet dream of the Criminal Democrat Party. The fact is the democrats are no where near as ethical as the Republicans and they know it and so does Bozo barney.


Democrats are criminal frauds. How can they ever consider themselves to even "be" ethical let alone "more ethical".

This in itself proves the democrats are perpetual frauds in their continued "CLINTONIZATION" of the Republican Party.

Barney , you lose again. What I find amazing is that Barney is a loser , lowlife and a liar and he enjoys it. Rather proud of it he is. Some people are just sick and love their sickness I guess.

Looks like Menedez is next ... (Below threshold)
TR19667:

Looks like Menedez is next with DIFI following up close behind.

Excellent work Justrand and... (Below threshold)

Excellent work Justrand and Falze - you know I thought that was the case.... I didn't think he's actually made it to the committee because there was quite a ruckus at the time.

No one is defending Jefferson, including me, just trying to get Ed Morrisey's attempted smear of the Washington Post into perspective.

"Jerry Markon and Allan Lengel never bother to mention that Pelosi later assigned him to the high-profile Homeland Security committee, and that he sits there still."

Maybe "no, you've got your head up your ass" is too strong of words to use?

Notice how these falsehoods just get passed on from one right wing blogger to another - and none of them ever take the time to check the accuracy of the smear - they just pass it on cause its juicy -- never mind that its flat out WRONG.

Rob and Bainy how am I wron... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:

Rob and Bainy how am I wrong? Did you read Falze's post? Now can you explain why Lewis is still on the appropriations committee?

And Lorie knows that for ea... (Below threshold)

And Lorie knows that for each person who read this comment thread and learns the truth there are probably 100 readers how will read Lorie's story and not read the comments thread -- and never read the fact that Lorie's post is lying about the homeland security committee bit, and unfairly smearing the Washington Post.

That's why these right wing bloggers will wait days (if ever) before issuing a correction. It's fair to say that it is their intent to spread falsehoods if it's their practice to not set the record straight when they're wrong...

Why are you wrong, barn? V... (Below threshold)

Why are you wrong, barn? Voting to put a crook on the committee and then refusing to vote in public for the crook so that people can see you vote for the crook doesn't make you in any way 'ethical'. If anything it's more unethical to try to do behind closed doors what you won't do in public. Remember, it's the Republicans that wanted to put his seat on the committee to an open roll call vote.

'That's why these right ... (Below threshold)

'That's why these right wing bloggers will wait days (if ever) before issuing a correction. It's fair to say that it is their intent to spread falsehoods if it's their practice to not set the record straight when they're wrong..."

Good God, Lee. You never miss an opportunity to get nasty, do you? Judging by the plethora of contradicting articles out there, posted right here in the comments, I'd say Lorie's comment about jefferson's appointment was a mistake. And for TWO WHOLE HOURS you've been waiting for a correction so it's fair to say that it's a practice for "right wing bloggers" "to not set the record straight" and it's they're "intent" to spread falsehoods? Get over your self-righteous indignation, will you?

Ignore that Pelosi appoints him and the House Democratic caucus approved the appointment. No, just ignore that part. Ignore that they wish to slip him in under the radar. Ignore that while there are certainly corrupt Republicans in Congress, there are just as many corrupt Democrats. Ignore that the Democrats said they were going to clean up the corruption, yet have failed to do so. Ignore every other mitigating factor out there so you'll feel better while you're slinging mud in everyone's eyes.

lee, maybe you should check... (Below threshold)
D-Hoggs:

lee, maybe you should check Ed Morrisey's UPDATED post, douche bag. I suppose we'll see a retraction from you now? Not likely.

"I'd say Lorie's comment... (Below threshold)

"I'd say Lorie's comment about jefferson's appointment was a mistake."

Lorie has since updated this post - but no correction. Gee- Im so surprised.... As I said before - she'll wait a long time before correcting, if ever.

The right wing bloggers - with all of their bullshit about their faux concern for accuracy in the media and political bias, demonstrate this exact bias, repeatedly.

And how often do the commenters in these threads know or sense that's something just isn't right, and never question what the right wing bloggers are putting out there. The spin and lies just keep echoing. Currently there are two blog posts linking to Lorie's -- and the lie just keeps spreading....

These bloggers never take the 10 minutes to fact-check. I knew instantly that this was a fact that needed checking --- and so did Lorie is my guess - but it's just too much fun to take Morrissey's lie and pass it on -- all for the sake of "politics".

lee why do you insist on av... (Below threshold)
D-Hoggs:

lee why do you insist on avoiding the true point in all of this? That Pelosi appointed him, the democratic caucus approved the appointment and it wasn't until Republican objections that Pelosi put it all "on hold"? Could it be because you want to spread the lie that nancy never supported him? Talk about faux concern for accuracy.

Tom Delay was indicted a... (Below threshold)
Brian:

Tom Delay was indicted and he resigned.

Yeah, over six months later! Can you at least give Jefferson more than one day to see what he does?

Lee, It takes you and your ... (Below threshold)

Lee, It takes you and your buds a half dozen posts to straighten out whether or not the guy actually made it to the committee the Speaker intended to put him on -- with confusion abounding, and yet you are so quick to call Lori a LIAR for making the same mistake your buds made several times?!?

Jesus man, you are pathological.

Lee, remember that Michael ... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:

Lee, remember that Michael Yon exclusive?

http://wizbangblog.com/2007/05/29/more-should-see-this-story.php

I sure would like to see an update on that (since there is still no word of the events described ever tacking place on Yon's site).

Ed. note: Gee Barney, could you at least check before popping off? It took about 2 seconds to find the story using Google. You do have to read Yon's story to find the account. -- Lorie

http://www.michaelyon-online.com/wp/the-final-option.htm

the democratic caucus ap... (Below threshold)
Brian:

the democratic caucus approved the appointment and it wasn't until Republican objections that Pelosi put it all "on hold"?

Would you say that DeLay resigned as majority leader because of Democratic objections? Not to say that one party is better than the other in this regard, but at least give credit (both ways) for doing the right thing.

Oyster, D-Hoggs.... Yeah, w... (Below threshold)
marc:

Oyster, D-Hoggs.... Yeah, what they said. And Lee when WILL your retraction take place?

LEE - Notice how these falsehoods just get passed on from one right wing blogger to another - and none of them ever take the time to check the accuracy of the smear - they just pass it on cause its juicy -- never mind that its flat out WRONG.

And of course we all know that NEVER happens on any of the "fine and upstanding" left-wing blogs don't we LEE?

LEE?

What say you LEE?

and yet you are so quick... (Below threshold)
Brian:

and yet you are so quick to call Lori a LIAR for making the same mistake your buds made several times?!?

I think the point now is that the Lorie has updated this post now twice, and not corrected what was shown to be an error. I don't know when those updates happened, and perhaps she hasn't come by since the truth was unearthed here. But at some point, allowing a proven error to stand without comment does become an intentional misstatement. It might be premature to call it that, but not for much longer.

And of course we all kno... (Below threshold)
Brian:

And of course we all know that NEVER happens on any of the "fine and upstanding" left-wing blogs don't we LEE?

So you're taking the "it's OK because 'they' do it too" stance?

Barney, with spin that fast... (Below threshold)
SCSIwuzzy:

Barney, with spin that fast you ought to be called "Maytag".

Jefferson and the comittee... Lorie's source, a right wing blog, has already corrected and admitted his mistake.
Why not give Lorie a chance to fix her data accordingly?

Also, Lee, it doesn't change the fact that Pelosi tried to put Jefferson there, she just didn't get away with it.

Brian,She's only upd... (Below threshold)
SCSIwuzzy:

Brian,
She's only updated the post once since the incorrect data was added, since it was added in the first update...

Also, Lee, it doesn't ch... (Below threshold)
Brian:

Also, Lee, it doesn't change the fact that Pelosi tried to put Jefferson there, she just didn't get away with it.

And Republicans tried to make sure DeLay could remain majority leader even after indictment, they just didn't get away with it.

(No, I'm not saying that makes what Pelosi did OK, just that those on the right should temper their indignation.)

are you serious barney? The... (Below threshold)
D-Hoggs:

are you serious barney? There is a huge post about that story on Yon's site, including pictures. There is also a OIF press release available.

LEE - can you feel that pet... (Below threshold)
marc:

LEE - can you feel that petard poking its way into your anal orifice?

No? Better read the Huff & Puff post comments.

sdskelton03 - Does this mean Speaker Pelosi will kick him off of the HOMELAND SECURITY commitee?
grumbles - Nancy will rue the day she didnt remove him from committee.

Brian:So you'r... (Below threshold)
marc:

Brian:

So you're taking the "it's OK because 'they' do it too" stance?

Nice job of inserting what YOU want to believe into the discussion. Your ignorance doesn't deserve a response, other than pointing out the lunacy.

All you need to know is wit... (Below threshold)
Jo:

All you need to know is with the ethical big black cloud hanging over Jefferson, Nancy tried to appoint him ANYWAY.

Culture of Corruption the Democrat way.... if you can't beat 'em, promote them.

Nice job of inserting wh... (Below threshold)
Brian:

Nice job of inserting what YOU want to believe into the discussion.

Just calling it like I see it.

Clean House? Hell, the man... (Below threshold)
Mitchell:

Clean House? Hell, the man's still a congressman, as is Murtha, the Abscammer.

Democrap Fraudsters!

Brian:Just cal... (Below threshold)
marc:

Brian:

Just calling it like I see it.

Then clean your frickin' glasses, you saw nothing but an assumption of your part.

Lee: "That's why these r... (Below threshold)
Justrand:

Lee: "That's why these right wing bloggers will wait days (if ever) before issuing a correction"

Actually, as you've seen a bunch of us here and elsewhere fact-checked his Committee participation. We all ACCURATELY recalled that Nancy ANNOUNCED his nomination to that Committee (Homeland Secutiry). What we hadn't expected was the Republicans to show the spoine they did in resisting his actually being seated!!

But the point is that we fact-checked quickly, and the "right wing bloggers" have made corrections.

Now as for LEFT WING BLOGGERS...well, that is another story all together!

"Jefferson and the comit... (Below threshold)

"Jefferson and the comittee... Lorie's source, a right wing blog, has already corrected and admitted his mistake. Why not give Lorie a chance to fix her data accordingly?"

Experience shows that Lorie will pretend to not know about the update until a long time period has passed, -- if she ever acknowledges the error at all.

Usually she just doesn't bother correcting her stories - the Pelosi minimum-wage story is one example, the Pelosi "private plane demand" another example, where Lorie just never bothered to set the record straight, and instead chose to let the lie stand.

Then clean your frickin'... (Below threshold)
Brian:

Then clean your frickin' glasses, you saw nothing but an assumption of your part.

Lee: The right did something.
marc: The left did it too.

Nope, glasses are clear as crystal.

"Actually, as you've see... (Below threshold)

"Actually, as you've seen a bunch of us here and elsewhere fact-checked his Committee participation. We all ACCURATELY recalled that Nancy ANNOUNCED his nomination to that Committee (Homeland Secutiry). What we hadn't expected was the Republicans to show the spoine they did in resisting his actually being seated!!

But the point is that we fact-checked quickly, and the "right wing bloggers" have made corrections. ".

Whoa Justrand - you fact-checked after I called Lorie on it. My guess is that nobody would have said a peep if I hadn't questioned it - that's the way it usually works around here -- the lie is applauded by Lorie's doting Liar's club.

And I suspect Morrissey caught wind of the discussion here and that's why his post was corrected. I glanced at his comment thread and didn't notice anyone calling him on it over there....

You guys dug up the link I couldn't find, and for that you're to be congratulated -- but Lorie should have checked herself, and didn't -- Morrissey should have checked himself, and didn't.

These people are on top of the news, Justrand - they know what is real and what is "perception" -- and you've now just seen in this post and Morrissey's post how the right wing blogosphere flat out LIES and gets away with it because of the biased perception they instill in their readers. And it has a cumulative effect - look downstream of Lorie's post - have any of those bloggers who linked to Lorie's post corrected their mistake - passed on by Lorie?

And this goes on all the time. The people whining about accuracy in the media and bias don't give a rat's ass about their mistakes and intentional oversights (such as not bothering to correct his post - Lorie - -for shame!).

And there is lots more to come, I predict. The Republicans will and cheat to try to steal the 2008 election, I have absolutely zero doubt in that -- and they will be accompanied by right wing bloggers who will lie and mislead to help elect a Republican to the White House.

Bu there's the icing on the cake:

Here's what Lorie wrote in her February 16, 2007 post announcing Pelosi's intentions (emphasis mine):

"I won't believe this one until it is official. If this comes to pass, chalk it up to fear of the CBC. If Jefferson gets a seat on the House Homeland Security Committee, Republicans will have an irresistible target."

She won't believe it until it serves her political purposes - whether it's true or not.

From his bio:"Jeff... (Below threshold)
markg8:

From his bio:

"Jefferson is an active and senior member of the powerful Ways and Means Committee and its subcommittee on Trade. He is also a member of the House Committee on the Budget."

You'll notice it doesn't say he's chairman of the Ways and Means Committee or the House Committee on the Budget. You know why that is? Because last year when the FBI raided hs office Pelosi stripped him of his leadership positions.

The Democratic party did it's best to oust him in the primary and run off elections last year but the people down there don't much trust outsiders telling them who to elect I guess.

Contrast that with Denny Hastert's shrieking over the raid on Jefferson's office and his years' long cover up of Mark Foley's scandals. And how about Boehner appointing Ken Calvert to the Appropriations' Committee when John Doolittle had to step down pending his indictment? Turns out the FBI is delving into Calvert's records too. Jerry Lewis, House Appropriations ranking member is not long for congress either.

If you're keeping score at home here's some info for you:

Congress.Org Jefferson's Power Rank Standings

Power Ranking: 439
Power Score: -2.50
Rank in Chamber: 439
Rank in State: 7
Rank in Party: 237
Rank in Class of 1990: 19
Past Power Rankings
2005 Rankings: 412 2006 Rankings: 436

Man he's last in the party and the entire chamber! This guy not only has less pull than any Democrat or Republican but with a -2.50 power rating he could probably cause your bill to spontaneously burst into flames by glancing approvingly at it!

Compare that to 4th ranking Repub Jerry Lewis Power Rank Standings

Power Ranking: 118
Power Score: 19.53
Rank in Chamber: 118
Rank in State: 19
Rank in Party: 4
Rank in Class of 1978: 1

Lewis is under investigation and is probably going to retire next year before of course he's indicted. Like the disgraced traitor Duke Cunningham - and that's what people who bilk the national security apparatus of the US ought to be considered - Lewis is going to find out that resigning doesn't make much difference to honest feds (but who knows how many of those are left in Gonzalez's DOJ?) when it comes to felony charges.

And yet there sits Lewis as ranking minority member on the Appropriations Committee. 4th most powerful Repub and 118th most powerful member in the House. You can see him on CSPAN managing the Republican side on budget bills paid with your tax dollars.

Why doesn't Boehner force him to step down? LOL, have you seen the Republican House caucus? Replacing Jesse James with Billy the Kid isn't going to curb crime in Dodge City.

"I knew instantly that this... (Below threshold)
Lorie Byrd:

"I knew instantly that this was a fact that needed checking --- and so did Lorie is my guess - but it's just too much fun to take Morrissey's lie and pass it on -- all for the sake of 'politics'." -- Lee Ward

I will not respond to Lee right now other than to direct readers to his comments above.

For those interested in the truth and not some ridiculous and inaccurate mind reading, when I first updated the post to add the very brief, one line comment from McQ I had not yet seen Ed's update. I had seen the CNN story linked saying that the Dems voted to put him on that committee. I had forgotten (if I ever knew) that Republicans had objected and wanted an open vote resulting in the hold. I think that is even more reason the Post should have included that in the story, not less. Read the Post account and the point they were making about Pelosi stripping Jefferson of his seat and you will understand what I mean.

"Experience shows that Lorie will pretend to not know about the update until a long time period has passed, -- if she ever acknowledges the error at all." -- Lee Ward

About that comment, I should not say anything, but will just say (not for Lee, but for those interested in the truth) that I never "pretend" not to know something. I just don't have my computer on 24/7, nor am I reading Captain's Quarters every second that my computer is on (even though I do love Ed). I will have more later, maybe even later tonight, but will be offline for a while because I have a family to take care of.

When the lefty loonies get ... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

When the lefty loonies get caught with one of their own breaking the law to a point of many charges, what do the lefties do? Change the subject. So, as an example: Jefferson was charged with many counts of bribery and corruption. He appeared in court in a green suit. So, the lefties find out Jefferson really wore a blue suit, so they ignore the serious subject of vile corruption and talk about the messenger. Juvenile. HOw about explaining how your DEMOCRATIC congressman has some very serious charges against him? ww

what do the lefties do? ... (Below threshold)
Brian:

what do the lefties do? Change the subject.

There are several subjects of this thread. One is that the Dems put someone charged with a crime in a high position. That is not true. It does not "change" any other subjects. Jefferson is still likely a crook.

I must have been posting th... (Below threshold)
Lorie Byrd:

I must have been posting the comment above about my earlier post. I had forgotten about that. Thanks for finding it. It appears I called that one right back then. I wish all my predictions were so accurate. Unfortunately they are not.

As for suiting political purposes, the fact that they voted to put him on the committee makes my point. The fact that GOP calls for open vote put a nix on it, even further reinforces it and that should have been included in the Post story.

As for all Lee's talk of how he knew everything all along, then why did he not know about the vote in the first place? At least that is the impression I got when he responded to Falze by saying "thanks, that confirms it."

Enough. I have to get my kids fed. Later.

But.... but Lorie... don't ... (Below threshold)
marc:

But.... but Lorie... don't you know that LEE believes that everyone, (well everyone with "R" behind their name) should be online with 100 plus Firefox tabs all open 24/7 to other right wing blogs so they can accurately update any and all mistakes they may make in their own posts and notify others of theirs?

And for good measure Lee believes right-wing bloggers should have an additional web browser open containing a multitude of left wing blogs to facilitate the correction of their own errors.

24/7 365 days a year. No family life. No job. Nothing but constant vigilence.

I KNEW you would have a pos... (Below threshold)
doctorj:

I KNEW you would have a post about Dollar Bill so I am going to remind you that Americans are still suffering on American soil. (I know that is so hard to remember.) Here is an audio from a senate hearing last week about how the "allocated" billions of aid hasn't gotten to Louisiana citizens. This is an audio clip of Connie Uddo, a leader from the hard hit upper middle class neighborhood of Lakeview. She works with Beacon of Hope out of St. Paul's Episcopal Church. In the hearing she said she has been the cheerleader telling people it would be OK. She said she can't tell them that anymore because it would be lying. People are in despair. She said how the churches have had to take over the functions of government because government is not there and they are buckling under the strain. And here is the money quote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wx6vNRak7U0&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwetbankguide%2Eblogspot%2Ecom%2F
Now go back to the political fun and games. The gulf south will NEVER forget the treatment this government has given them. Are we part of America or not?

Let's see here. On the one... (Below threshold)
Herman:

Let's see here. On the one hand, you got one William Jefferson. On the other hand,

you got:

Duke Cunningham, Bob Ney, Robert Foley, Lewis Libby, Tom DeLay, Armstrong Williams, Claude Allen, David Sefavian, Jack Abramoff, Kyle Foggo, J. Stephen Griles, FDA Commissioner Lester Crawford.

You also got:

Enron; Plamegate; Halliburton, its no-bid contracts, overcharging, and payoff of Dick Cheney; violations of the Geneva Conventions; the firing of whistleblowers; the Iraq War; Abu Ghraib; illegal warrantless spying; torture; Attorneygate; one damn lie told to the American people after another after another...

and you got those who have so far gotten away with it: Lurita Doan, Karl Rove, Condoleeza Rice, Alberto Gonzales, Dick Cheney, and The Chimp-in-Chief.

If you want to locate the "Culture of Corruption," don't waste your time on a single donkey, FOLLOW THE ELEPHANTS.

Lee, have you ever consider... (Below threshold)

Lee, have you ever considered that Lorie has other things going on in her life and simply wasn't able update her post immediately? Lorie is not by any stretch of the imagination a liar, and you owe her a huge, public apology, especially since you are now part of the Wizbang family. You don't treat other members of the same blogging family that way. What the hell is wrong with you?

Herman, if I had the time r... (Below threshold)
Justrand:

Herman, if I had the time right now (which sadly I do not) I would fill the page with all the corruption from the Clinton era and since. We could start with Dan Rostenkowski and work our way up or down!!

Justrand if you went back 5... (Below threshold)
markg8:

Justrand if you went back 50 years you indeed could find as many Dem scandals as Repub ones. The difference is the Repubs have all happened in the last 10 years and most are ongoing. Dan Rostenkowski's postage stamp scam netted him anout $20,000 back in 1991.

That's pretty small potatos compared to Jerry Lewis who STILL sits on the appropriations committee as ranking member where they dole out the cash.

Notice how these fals... (Below threshold)

Notice how these falsehoods just get passed on from one right wing blogger to another - and none of them ever take the time to check the accuracy of the smear - they just pass it on cause its juicy -- never mind that its flat out WRONG.

Hmmm...just change one word above ("right wing") to "left wing" and what do we get?

Dan Rather?
Mary Mapes?
Rosie?
Truther apologists?
Woodward at Casey's deathbed? (I admit the younger ones will have to search for that one)

So what do we have here? Comparing one conservative blogger with the icons of the MSM?

You protest too much.

Herman!Let's... (Below threshold)

Herman!

Let's see here. On the one hand, you got one William Jefferson. On the other hand

Nice list. I'll match your William Jefferson and raise you one definition of the word "is"....

Preistap: "Lee, have you... (Below threshold)

Preistap: "Lee, have you ever considered that Lorie has other things going on in her life and simply wasn't able update her post immediately? Lorie is not by any stretch of the imagination a liar, and you owe her a huge, public apology, especially since you are now part of the Wizbang family. You don't treat other members of the same blogging family that way. What the hell is wrong with you?"

and here is Kim just a few weeks ago.

Lee, you're such an idiot. Go back to Wizbang Blue.

Posted by: Kim Priestap at May 25, 2007 10:17 AM

No apologies will be given. If I knew enough to call that factoid into question so did Lorie, especially in light of her previously expressed incredulity that Jefferson would receive the appointment. She knew at the time it was announced in February that it was in question - -and this is just sloppy, biased work - and when this sloppy bias comes from the chief trumpeter of "oh the biased media - oh look at how wrong the media got it this time" it is just too rich to ignore.

And there have been - to my knowledge, no correction to the minimum wage and the Pelosi plane story - Lorie ducked those completely as near as I can tell, in which case this was completely justified on my part, and it is only because of this dust-up that she corrected her story above.

Too bad it takes this kind of stink to get Wizbang bloggers to get it right!

But what you dished out above, Kim, is to be expected from you. Your hypocrisy is not surprising in the least, so quit your whining. If you're going to dish out the "family insults", you and the rest of your clan better be able to take it.

Feel free to get my email address from Kevin if you'd like to go a couple of rounds offline.

Now that I've "read the thr... (Below threshold)

Now that I've "read the thread" I'm beginning to think that Kevin needs to install an O2 drop down mask for Lee when the vapors overcome him.

These people are on top of the news, Justrand - they know what is real and what is "perception" -- and you've now just seen in this post and Morrissey's post how the right wing blogosphere flat out LIES and gets away with it because of the biased perception they instill in their readers.

I get a kick out of that "biased perception they instill in their readers." because it reminds me of Limbaugh's sarcastic description of his audience as "mind numbed robots".Hey Lee, we can figure it out ourselves! Maybe you're projecting when you make reference to these CONTROLLING VOICES that "instill" in us "biased perception".

Here's some news for you: blogs just make the dissent louder; they didn't create it. Before blogs, before the innertubes were invented.... (no I won't go there) before Apple and MS there was National Review, Commentary, Human Events, AIM (quick, know what that is before you google it?) and Buchannon (not the one you think), Friedman, Mises and Hayek.

Your conservative detractors on this site have a body of opinion and thought that inform their opinion. The blog is the instrument, not the message. BTW, what informs your opinion? Make that a subject of a post after you apologise to your colleagues here.

LeeI suggested to Br... (Below threshold)

Lee
I suggested to Brian the other day that leading with your chin can be problematic.


Should we help him find his Mommy?

Posted by: Lee Ward at May 25, 2007 10:02 AM

Now, Lee, I'm no expert on dealing with an angry woman, but making that kind of remark in the context you did will sometimes get you a "Lee, you're such an idiot. Go back to Wizbang Blue."

I know that's not PC, but it's reality big guy. Did she make you cry?

Lee, you call Lorie a liar ... (Below threshold)

Lee, you call Lorie a liar on a regular basis, but you get your panties in a bunch when I call you an idiot? That's really sad. You owe Lorie an apology. Your comments were completely out of line not to mention inappropriate.

Everyone has an opinion and... (Below threshold)
Scrapiron:

Everyone has an opinion and here's mine. Dozens of democrats are sweating blood about now. They raked the Head of the Justice Department over the coals for 'not comitting a crime' while the lot of them are known criminals. Who has the club now, I don't like Gonzales but he should indict 75% of the democrats in congress, revenge sometimes can be sweet. I'll make a bet he will come out with more indictment for more serious crimes. Maybe some that will get people shot or hanged. We all know the charges will be valid and provable. Treason only required two witnesses, millions have watched the democrats get our troops killed on a daily basis, supporting the terrorists, to suit some hidden political agenda they have. Actually it isn't too well hidden, they simply hate American's as much or more than the religion of death and destruction.

Put cold cash away and move on to the next one. All of the bristles are broken out of Pigloooshi's broom.

LEE:Feel free ... (Below threshold)
marc:

LEE:

Feel free to get my email address from Kevin if you'd like to go a couple of rounds offline.

Public undressing not to your liking Lee?

Hey, why is this about some... (Below threshold)
JimK:

Hey, why is this about some stupid little point that LEE raised?

JEFFERSON IS CORRUPT. Can we talk about that for a minute?

JimK: "JEFFERSON IS CORR... (Below threshold)
Justrand:

JimK: "JEFFERSON IS CORRUPT. Can we talk about that for a minute?"

shhhh...ok, you talk (whisper actually) about it, so long as you don't mention that he is an EmocratDay. EssYay? EllSway!!

No bunched panties here, Ki... (Below threshold)
Lee Ward:

No bunched panties here, Kim, you brought up the "family" BS. Seeing you wearing your butt as a hat reminded me of your remark to me from a few weeks ago, so that's why I brought it out. I know better then to expect an apology from anyone at Wizbang, and since I don't have anything to apologize for you shouldn't expect one from me. Spin on Priestap, you're failing as usual.

HughS: "Hey Lee, we can figure it out ourselves! Maybe you're projecting when you make reference to these CONTROLLING VOICES that "instill" in us "biased perception"."

Typical snark, with no substance. When will the right wing recruit some real talkers...?

From the top of this comment thread:

"Pelosi put this crook on the Homeland Security committee!!"

Wrong, he just made the mistake of believing what Lorie wrote.

"You mean the same Nancy that appointed him to the Homeland Security post barney?!?!?! HA! You've GOT to be joking!"

Nope, wrong again.

So what were you saying about free-thinkers, Hugh? You'd be right there gulping the Wizbang kool-aid right along with them if I hadn't stopped and and questioned Lorie's accuracy.

WildWillie the first thing ... (Below threshold)
markg8:

WildWillie the first thing the Republican caucus did after the election in 2004 was hold a secret meeting to change their own caucus rules to allow an indicted congressmen to keep their leadership posts in case of indictment. That was meant to benefit the soon to be indicted DeLay specifically
hence the name "DeLay rule" and others generally. The only reason they backtracked is because Josh Marshall at TPM and the Daily DeLay website launched a cmapaign to get Repub congressmen to admit how they voted on this greasy little deal.

Dems long ago passed rules on their side to sideline any crook.

DeLay only quit congress a eyar ago when it was obvious that even in his district they couldn't stomach him anymore and wasn't gonna win.

LeeTypical sna... (Below threshold)

Lee
Typical snark, with no substance.

The substance was there and specific. You just can't and won't rebut it.

And I listed a LOT OF SMART GUYS in my post. To borrow your vernacular, when will the left wing recruit some real thinkers? Name them.

Lee, I've been critizing you before Lori made her remark. Crawl up the thread and archives and read it.

So what were you sayi... (Below threshold)

So what were you saying about free-thinkers, Hugh? You'd be right there gulping the Wizbang kool-aid right along with them if I hadn't stopped and and questioned Lorie's accuracy.

I'm thinking she made you cry.

"The House Democratic ca... (Below threshold)
James Cloninger:

"The House Democratic caucus approved Speaker Nancy Pelosi's appointment Tuesday [Feb 27, 2007] of Jefferson to the homeland security panel, a decision that has come under fire from Republicans."

Which explains why the Committee Membership list that Lee mentioned doesn't have him listed...the PDF is dated for MARCH 2007, and hasn't been updated.

http://homeland.house.gov/SiteDocuments/20070329134650-65047.pdf

It shows several vacancies, of which no doubt Jefferson was to fill.

You guys are too rough on p... (Below threshold)
jhow66:

You guys are too rough on poor wittle wee wee lee lee er Lee "lie" Ward. He works so hard answering the "hoard" of comments over at blue it's no wonder he crys at ever little thing. boo hoo

LEE:and since ... (Below threshold)
marc:

LEE:

and since I don't have anything to apologize for you shouldn't expect one from me.

Is that an invitation to backtrack to all the threads where you were the very first commenter to post off topic snark and personnel attacks, not to mention flatly false information?

If it is you're a damn fool.

And BTW, in all your breathless indignation over a "non-correction" by using Captains Quarters as an example you failed to note he also posted how Jefferson was STILL on the Small Business Committee.

And the "Lee excuse" will be....

"Well... isn't $90k in the freezer a 'small business?'"

why do you guys even respon... (Below threshold)
Ran:

why do you guys even respond to this fool!

"It shows several vacanc... (Below threshold)

"It shows several vacancies, of which no doubt Jefferson was to fill."

I know Pelosi announced her intention to appoint Jefferson, but that decision had to be ratified by the House Democratic caucus -- and the newly-elected freshmen Democrats were understandably skittish about appointing this guy.

Which is why there is still a vacancy. The Democrats refused to put this guy into that seat, and Pelosi had bigger fish to fry -- the Iraq funding bill which was just starting to come to a head at the same time as this issue.

Now that Jefferson has been indicted the committee assignment is moot, and so is the discussion about his committee appointment - but tell that to the right wing bloggers - they saw this as another chance to stick it to Nancy, only all they "stuck" was their heads up their... caucuses.

Lee: "but tell that to t... (Below threshold)
Justrand:

Lee: "but tell that to the right wing bloggers - they saw this as another chance to stick it to Nancy"

Sorry old boy, but Nancy IS part of this story.

Here's Billy Jefferson caught red-handed (or whatever freezer burn does to you)...and when she ascends to her throne one of her FIRST thoughts is to put him on Ways & Means.

But even the DEMS can't abide that...so she thinks a while and comes up with HOMELAND SECURITY!

But for a rare display of courage he would indeed have wound up there!

Nancy was prevented from doing this...but she did in fact WANT to!

LEE:they saw t... (Below threshold)
marc:

LEE:

they saw this as another chance to stick it to Nancy, only all they "stuck" was their heads up their... caucuses.

As Justrand points out Rep. "the accidental diplomat" Pelosi was part of the Jefferson story from the very start, she wanted him as an integral part of "her team" and it was only after the idiocy of her idea was pointed out by both the Reps and Dems did she change course.

Lee, I understand what you desire to be for the left-side of the party and its blogosphere but you continue to fail miserably.

I did not intend to respond... (Below threshold)
Lorie Byrd:

I did not intend to respond to Lee further because all I will be doing is repeating what I have already said in the post and in these comments, but since he continues to intentionally misrepresent the facts (what he is accusing me of doing) I will add this comment.

Follow the links to the various news accounts in the post and decide for yourselves. Lee is the one ignoring the fact that Pelosi appointed him and the Democrats voted in favor of it (at least according to CNN). He is hanging on the fact that when Republicans called attention to the appointment Dems backtracked and put it on hold so that Jefferson did not sit on the committee. That is what Ed had wrong. I still think the Post should have reported the fact that Pelosi appointed and Dems voted to put him on the committee because it makes a big difference to their portrayal of Pelosi's conduct in the matter. Read the Post article and the others and that will be clear.

As for the nasty comments from Lee about me not updating a post on purpose, lying, pretending not to know about Ed's post or the other foolishness he accuses me of including "not bothering to correct his post - Lorie - -for shame!" I updated it as soon as I saw Ed's update. It really isn't Lee's or anyone else's business, but at the same time Lee was accusing me of pretending not to know about Ed's post, my daughter and I were purchasing a gardenia bush to give to my next door neighbor to plant in memory of her brother who was recently killed in an auto accident. For anyone interested I could probably dig the receipt out of the bottom of my purse. I am pretty sure it has the time stamped on it. And no, I don't have a Blackberry or other device that would have allowed me to read Ed's post from the nursery. Nasty, petty, despicable comments Lee. You are the one who should be ashamed.

You expect more Lorie?... (Below threshold)
marc:

You expect more Lorie?

Lee thrives on the attentio... (Below threshold)
Ran:

Lee thrives on the attention..shame, isn't it.

Yes, Ran, he does thrive on... (Below threshold)
LoadTheMule:

Yes, Ran, he does thrive on it.

And y'all just keep feeding him. *sigh*

Regards...

Oh, this is a good one: ... (Below threshold)
Oyster:

Oh, this is a good one: "This guy not only has less pull than any Democrat or Republican ..." Blah, Blah, Blah

So he has less pull ... He DOES have a vote. The Democrats can always count on him for one more vote in their favor just as they can count on Murtha and a bunch of others with no worries whatsoever. He's a "known" and they aren't going to let him go quietly when they could end up with a maverick who just might vote against one of their looney ideas.

I've been away for a while... (Below threshold)
JFO:

I've been away for a while and have just returned. My first foray back to Wizbang reveals that the monkeys continue to sit in their cages throwing poo at one another. Anyone ever have a discussion here anymore? Or have the elementary schoolyard taunts taken over completely?

scrapiron, I think you can ... (Below threshold)
kim:

scrapiron, I think you can be heartened by the fact that Bush and Gonzales now have wrested control of the Department of Justice from Senator Schumer and his cronies from the Southern District of New York, Comey, McNulty, and Muller at the CIA. There is a coherent story of how those four tried to circumvent the Constitution and keep the Department of Justice out of the policy purview of the adminitstration.
=================================

kim:So lay it out ... (Below threshold)
JFO:

kim:

So lay it out with supported facts.

Whos the frigging liar here... (Below threshold)
D-Hoggs:

Whos the frigging liar here lee?!

lee said: "And how often do the commenters in these threads know or sense that's something just isn't right, and never question what the right wing bloggers are putting out there. The spin and lies just keep echoing...And I suspect Morrissey caught wind of the discussion here and that's why his post was corrected. I glanced at his comment thread and didn't notice anyone calling him on it over there...."

Of course all of this was said AFTER I posted this to lee:
"lee, maybe you should check Ed Morrisey's UPDATED post, douche bag. I suppose we'll see a retraction from you now? Not likely."
Pointing him to the fact that I left a comment with Ed, to which he replied immediately by correcting his mistake.

Who is lying here lee?
Me: You mean the same Nancy that appointed him to the Homeland Security post barney?!?!?! HA! You've GOT to be joking!"

lee: "Nope, wrong again...but that decision had to be ratified by the House Democratic caucus -- and the newly-elected freshmen Democrats were understandably skittish about appointing this guy."

Umm, lee, nancy MOST DEFINITELY appointed Jefferson, the Democratic Caucus MOST DEFINITELY approved said appointment, it wasn't until AFTER Republican objections that she put the whole thing on hold. Do some research yourself you lying sack of shit. You are so damned pathetic.

WASHINGTON, CNN: "The House Democratic caucus approved Speaker Nancy Pelosi's appointment Tuesday of Jefferson to the homeland security panel, a decision that has come under fire from Republicans. After the meeting, Jefferson said the vote was "not contentious" and that there was "no dissent."

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- House Republicans plan a formal objection on the House floor to the appointment of Rep. William Jefferson to the Homeland Security Committee. In an interview Tuesday with CNN's "Larry King Live," Pelosi defended Jefferson's appointment, saying that while the Ways and Means Committee "had something to do with the accusations made against him," his new post does not. Pelosi also said the Homeland Security panel "is an appropriate place for him to be,"

Damned liar lee.

"I've been away for a wh... (Below threshold)

"I've been away for a while and have just returned. My first foray back to Wizbang reveals that the monkeys continue to sit in their cages throwing poo at one another. Anyone ever have a discussion here anymore? Or have the elementary schoolyard taunts taken over completely?"

Says JFO - poo flinger:

"The ant story reminds me of conservative Republicans, Bush apologists, marching , marching, marching in lne;..."

"After all you worshiped at the altar of the founder, Terminex Tom "The Bug" Delay."

I'd post the rest, but there's not enough hours in a day.

Aha...you passed the test O... (Below threshold)
JFO:

Aha...you passed the test Oyster...just checking to see which one of you Wizzo/nuts would spend the time and energy to prove your (self)righteousness...not surprised at all by the winner...

Unfortunately, JFO, you fai... (Below threshold)

Unfortunately, JFO, you failed.

You were wondering whether ... (Below threshold)
Rance:

You were wondering whether GMA and Leno would talk about the indictment. Well NPR lead with the story and CBS put it near the top of their coverage.

Fox was all over it, too. Too bad they showed footage of the wrong congressman in their coverage.

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/014462.php

lee, paging lee, where are ... (Below threshold)
D-Hoggs:

lee, paging lee, where are you to correct YOUR lies? lee? hello? figures.

"So lay it out with suppo... (Below threshold)
Rob LA Ca.:

"So lay it out with supported facts."

Don't you idiots "LISTEN" to your Party of criminal frauds?

Are all you democrat pukes totally brain dead?

The Rat Leadership was correct about their voters, they are stupid. Not just morally bankrupt , ignorant and racist jealous hate mongers , JFO , LEE and his buddies are total democrat DumbF**ks.

Wow that's a lot of project... (Below threshold)
markg8:

Wow that's a lot of projection you have goin on there Rob.

I'm off for sunnier (and brainier) pastures. Keep waiting that FOX News fellas! Maybe you learn that Hillary studied at a radical madrassa too! LOL

"brainier pastures"? HAH! F... (Below threshold)
D-Hoggs:

"brainier pastures"? HAH! From someone who's comment is totally devoid of any grammatical correctness, that's rich!




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