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Democrats Declare Surge a Failure

Big surprise. I thought the final "surge" troops were not even to be in place until this month, but already Democrats have told the President that the surge is a failure. I said "big surprise" because that is what they said almost the instant the surge was proposed, before any of the troops were in place.

Top US congressional Democrats bluntly told President George W. Bush Wednesday that his Iraq troop "surge" policy was a failure.

Senate Majority leader Harry Reid and House of Representatives Speaker Nancy Pelosi challenged the president over Iraq by sending him a letter, ahead of a White House meeting later on Wednesday.

"As many had forseen, the escalation has failed to produce the intended results," the two leaders wrote.

"The increase in US forces has had little impact in curbing the violence or fostering political reconciliation.

"It has not enhanced Americas national security. The unsettling reality is that instances of violence against Iraqis remain high and attacks on US forces have increased.

"In fact, the last two months of the war were the deadliest to date for US troops.

The letter appeared to preview a fresh showdown over Iraq between anti-war Democrats and the president, just a few weeks after Bush forced his foes to strip troop withdrawal timelines from a 100 billion dollar emergency war budget.

So, did Democrats believe that the immediate result of us stepping up our game and increasing the pressure we put on the insurgents would be a decrease in violence? Didn't the President and military advisors say from the beginning that violence would almost certainly increase in the short term? I am not a military genius, but I do know that you don't determine how much progress is being made based only on monthly death counts. I don't know whether or not the surge will achieve the desired result, but I do know that progress is being reported from some regions of Iraq that were considered lost causes not that long ago.


I also know that Democrats are heavily invested in failure in Iraq. The President will be judged by what he did and tried to do in Iraq. That judgment might not come for many years and even if it is ultimately deemed a failure there is no doubt (except among the most rabid wackos) that he did what he thought was good for the country. There is also no doubt that the President wanted to win in Iraq. I don't think the same can be said for most of the Democrats in Congress.

Update: A.J. Strata has more on how the surge is working.


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Comments (62)

Didn't the President and... (Below threshold)

Didn't the President and military advisors say from the beginning that violence would almost certainly increase in the short term?

They also said that the purpose of the surge was to create political breathing room for the Maliki government to push forward with the reforms and accommodation with the Sunnis. The generals have stressed over and over again that the real solution to the problems we face in Iraq is political, not military.

And on the political front, there has been zero progress on anything. No deal on the oil. No progress on amending the Constitution as was promised to the Sunnis long ago. No provincial elections scheduled for predominantly Sunni areas where Shiite councils rule.

And as the Samaraa mosque bombing today again demonstrates the Iraqi security services are weak, unreliable and heavily penetrated by militia and insurgent groups.

So, in fact, the Democrats are correct because the surge hasn't resulted in any political progress at all among Iraq's bickering sectarian and tribal groups.

But don't worry, the Iraqi Parliament will be going on summer vacation soon and that will really help the situation.

How can anyone trust the de... (Below threshold)

How can anyone trust the democrats when it comes to national defense anymore? They seem more interested in finding stories that fit well with their morbid soundbites. As well as making sure every person sees that soldiers might die in combat...as if that has never happened in the entire history of the planet.

But they support them...just not the mission.

If I remember the figures c... (Below threshold)
RicardoVerde:

If I remember the figures correctly, 1944 had considerably more military deaths than 1943, so that whole "D-Day" thing was obviously a mistake.

Hmmm... so three months ago... (Below threshold)
Brian:

Hmmm... so three months ago, Wizbang reported that the surge is a success. Twice. And, Patraeus declared it a success.

But now, three months later, it's "too early" to say? Oops.

I suppose if the lib-o-tard... (Below threshold)
LiberalNightmare:

I suppose if the lib-o-tards had their way, we would all be reading about how well the Okinawan Quick Response Force was working out.

Oh, Brian you aren't clappi... (Below threshold)
Meyers:

Oh, Brian you aren't clapping loud enough! How dare you point out ANOTHER case of Wizbang hypocrisy!

Brian, it makes perfect sen... (Below threshold)

Brian, it makes perfect sense if you understand basic grammar.

Kim reported that the surge IS working -- that means, it is showing signs of being successful. That is indicative, not conclusive.

Reid and company are saying that the surge HAS failed. Conclusive, not indicative.

Considering that the "surge" has yet to be fully started (as indicated that all of the additional troops are not yet in place), it seems intellectually honest to let it give it a try and see if it can work.

Is that something you're not overly interested in, Brian?

J.

The Democrats can't risk ha... (Below threshold)
Mac Lorry:

The Democrats can't risk having the surge work and Iraq largely resolved in the United States' favor prior to November 2008; at least not if they expect to take the White House. There's a sense of urgency among Democrats to derail the effort in Iraq before it's too late to prevent victory. No doubt they'll try to cut their enemy's supply lines again by stopping funding of U.S. troops.

"So, in fact, the Democrats... (Below threshold)
RobLACa.:

"So, in fact, the Democrats are correct because the surge hasn't resulted in any political progress at all among Iraq's bickering sectarian and tribal groups."

I believe you believe that. There there be no doubt that this is another desperate attempt to divert focus off the "TRUE FAILURES" the criminal frauds aka the democrat party.

Democrats haven't amounted to shit and they have once again lied and deceived their way into positions of power they have no business anywhere near.

The only place the Rats deserve to hang around is a rope on a tree.

Democrats Declare Surge ... (Below threshold)
Peter F.:

Democrats Declare Surge a Failure

Geezus H. Christmas, could they be ANY more blatant in their political opportunism.

Those with calendars will a... (Below threshold)
Justrand:

Those with calendars will already have noticed this fact...but, for the Leftists among us, here are a few FACTS:

- the report was from APRIL
- the "surge" will actually be completed THIS WEEK.
- this week is MID-JUNE
- two MONTHS after the report

So Pelosi and Reid have RE-declared defeat (they already DID in April, if you recall)

RicardoVerde...if Pelosi and Reid were in Congress in 1941 they would have surrendered on December 8th!!!

Jay, I'm sure Brian cannot ... (Below threshold)
BillyBob:

Jay, I'm sure Brian cannot understand grammar. He only knows how to fling poo and be entertaining.

Brian:And, Patrae... (Below threshold)
_Mike_:

Brian:
And, Patraeus declared it a success.

Quote where in the article that you linked that General Petreus stated that the surge was a success ? Can't because it doesn't say that. Why do you attempt such easily disprovable lies ?

If you had even basic comprehension skills and a little bit of memory, you might know that General Petreus has stated the we should know whether the surge was working by the end of the summer.

For the 'calendar challenged' Democrat, it's not the end of the summer yet.

I declare Democrats a failu... (Below threshold)
jpm100:

I declare Democrats a failure.

Democrats are vested in ... (Below threshold)
Mac Lorry:

Democrats are vested in defeat. A bumper sticker candidate from another thread.

Just remember... If their l... (Below threshold)
Gmac:

Just remember... If their lips are moving they're lying.

I used to think I'd like to... (Below threshold)
JLawson:

I used to think I'd like to see an American history text written in 2100 covering this period. I figured that we'd eventually win this struggle, though like WW2 costly mistakes would be made along the way.

I never figured the Dems would unilaterally surrender. Gee, we can't fight a war and win it on a friggin' timetable - better give up now while we can win political points!

Damn their jackal hearts. Vote for a Democrat? To hell with that idea.

Brian:And, Pat... (Below threshold)
marc:

Brian:

And, Patraeus declared it a success.

Oh please, honor us with a Patraeus quote from the "declared" link that smacks anything close to him saying the surge was a success.

The nearest thing to it is contained in this section:

The senior U.S. commanders in Iraq -- Lt. Gen. Ray Odierno and Gen. David Petraeus -- want the surge to continue until at least December and expect to report enough progress in Iraq by September to justify it, officials told ABC News' Martha Raddatz.

An expectation of what may happen isn't declaring anything you disingenuous buffoon.

And BTW, whatever happened to the dem talking point about Bush not listening to his Generals?

I guess Pelosi and Reid not only forget the talking point but are shutting out any comments made by some the the very same Generals.

Political expedience is thy names Pelosi and Reid!

Clement Vallandigham lives!... (Below threshold)

Clement Vallandigham lives! (And Reid should get the same treatment.)

The Pentagon itself is <a h... (Below threshold)

The Pentagon itself is reporting that the surge hasn't had any impact on reducing the levels of violence in Iraq.

Violence in Iraq, as measured by casualties among troops and civilians, has edged higher despite the U.S.-led security push in Baghdad, the Pentagon told Congress on Wednesday.

The surge is a failure now and it will be a failure in September unless something changes to spur the Maliki government forward in reconciling with the Sunnis. If you believe there is a military solution to the problems in Iraq then I suggest you lobby your Congressmen to send an additional 100,000-200,000 troops to really get control of the situation. Lacking that, we will all be held hostage to the Maliki government and whatever course it chooses to take. So far, they look like they are just riding along enjoying the benefits of our protection while building their strength to prepare for the final showdown with the Sunnis.

Kim reported that the su... (Below threshold)
Brian:

Kim reported that the surge IS working -- that means, it is showing signs of being successful. That is indicative, not conclusive.

Reid and company are saying that the surge HAS failed. Conclusive, not indicative.

Pfft! Wow, Jay. I've seen you play some mighty big word games to make it sound like things are not what they are, but you really missed the mark on this one.

Please explain how "the surge is working" is indicative, but "the surge isn't working" is conclusive?

Which of the quotes in Lorie's excerpt are "conclusive, not indicative"? And which are false?

Because it seems intellectually honest to accurately represent what they said. Is that something you're not overly interested in, Jay? That and understanding "basic grammar"?

When true history is writte... (Below threshold)
Scrapiron:

When true history is written on the 60-70's the democrats will have credit for the slaughter of 3-5 million people in Southeast Asia and sure as they went and shot them themselves. Now Dirty Harry and Pigloooshi want to outdo the democrat traitors of the past. Is there a democrat living that cares about the future of their family? Not one that I've read or heard about. Just look at the democrats comments on here and other blogs. They would pimp their mother before they would support America and the American people. BDS has progressed to total insanity in 99% of what is now the democrazy party.

If you had even basic co... (Below threshold)
Brian:

If you had even basic comprehension skills and a little bit of memory, you might know that General Petreus has stated the we should know whether the surge was working by the end of the summer.

Let's see... we'll know if it's working in September. If it is, we should extend it until December.

But he's already arranging for the extension to December. So what do you think that says? One doesn't need to be as dumb as a Republican to figure it out.

Oh, for God's sake, Brian.<... (Below threshold)
drjohn:

Oh, for God's sake, Brian.

No one likes a jerk.

Democrats never miss a chance to declare failure.

Conclusive.

The Democrats wanted al-Qae... (Below threshold)
kim:

The Democrats wanted al-Qaeda taken care of and Saddam gone, but were too pusillanimous to do it themselves. Now that someone has done it, they criticize him. Why would anyone trust such as they?
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Geezus H. Christmas, cou... (Below threshold)
Brian:

Geezus H. Christmas, could they be ANY more blatant in their political opportunism.

So posts about the surge working are just great and dandy, but comments about the surge not working are political opportunism. Got it.

Democrats never miss a c... (Below threshold)
Brian:

Democrats never miss a chance to declare failure.

Conclusive.

I'm sure you enjoyed high-fiving your dog after that one, but if you're interested in responding intelligently to anything, let us know.

The Democrats wanted al-... (Below threshold)
Brian:

The Democrats wanted al-Qaeda taken care of and Saddam gone, but were too pusillanimous to do it themselves. Now that someone has done it, they criticize him.

Really? al-Qaeda is taken care of? Oh, kim... you really need to lay off the pills.

Interesting to note that th... (Below threshold)
Brett:

Interesting to note that they once again make a big statement about the "surge is failing" only hours after a poll comes out indicating that ~20% of the American public supports Harry's beloved Immigration Reform bill. Surely he wouldn't want to grab a quick (but pointless) headline to deflect attention from that gem, would he?

The remnants of al-Qaeda ar... (Below threshold)
kim:

The remnants of al-Qaeda are being pounded by the Lebanese Army north of Beirut after their former Pathan and Sunni Arab hosts turned on them. If you think al-Qaeda has anywhere near the operational capability it had at the end of Clinton's term, you are the delusional one.
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What price Berger. I'm amu... (Below threshold)
kim:

What price Berger. I'm amused by someone's suggestion that Bush commute Libby's sentence to exactly that of Berger, to make a political point.

By the way, the questionable constitutionality of Fitz's appointment is going to keep Libby out of jail pending appeal of that and several other questions. I think it is likely, now, that Fitz's appointment will be tossed and the whole trial voided.

If Libby faces jail pending appeal, Bush will give him respite from the sentence during appeal, and if appeals are still ongoing, Scooter will be pardoned as Bush's last official act.
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All those calling for pardo... (Below threshold)
kim:

All those calling for pardon, horrified at the injustice visited upon Libby, are reassessing what would set the miscarriage in stone, and forever lose the opportunity to correct the record so mischievously created by Joe Wilson, Patrick Fitzgerald, and Tim Russert. Retrial with vindication, or dropped charges and investigation of the Plame/Wilsons is the just course.
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The remnants of al-Qaeda... (Below threshold)
Brian:

The remnants of al-Qaeda

Well, fortunately you make statements such as this, ludicrous on their face. Why not make it a lock and tell us that AQ is in its last throes? Reality be damned!

Reid/Pelosi are basically m... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

Reid/Pelosi are basically mouthpieces for AlQuaeda now. All they have to do is attack soft-targets killing more women and children. Reid/Pelosi will eagerly shout failure and demand withdrawal.

In just 5 months, Reid/Pelosi had their culture of corruption fully in place. Now they want to make sure the culture of defeat is also fully in place for America. Reid/Pelosi are beyond parody. Yet liberals are fully behind them.

Reid and Pelosi seems so ea... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

Reid and Pelosi seems so eager for America to fail in Iraq. That 's despicable.

Of course the surge has fai... (Below threshold)
ODA315:

Of course the surge has failed. Harry's already told us the war is lost.

btw Harry, the last brigade of the surge just arrived late last week and aren't in the field yet. Too bad you couldn't catch them before they left the US. Would have saved a bunch of money.

What a pasty-faced little pathetic piss ant.

I don't know what that was,... (Below threshold)

I don't know what that was, Brian, but it wasn't a news article. It was a snarky opinion piece.

It's sort of funny. Al Qaida ramps up in response to communities in Iraq turning on them and favorable news from Iraq, and SO DO THE DEMOCRATS.

Because the news is getting better. The MSM we so love to hate is starting to report change and success.

Therefore it becomes vital for Al Qaida, and the Democrats, to reclaim the narrative.

The Sunnis seem to be increasingly turning on Al Qaida. If the people can start to work with American troops whom they were mortaring just a few months ago, the people can start to work with the government too.

The mantra about how all is lost has been going on before we started, nearly.

Heh. It's actually starting to resemble global warming in some ways. It's not that repeating something often enough makes people believe it, it's that repeating it over and over with no regard whatsoever to actual events results in people tuning it all out.

Even the media is tuning it out.

(This is at least partly because the Democrats got the majority in Congress and the need to "speak truth to power" has shifted targets.)

Synova, I really like the a... (Below threshold)
kim:

Synova, I really like the analogy between global warming and the MSM reporting of the war. Poor sods; reality bites.
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Ha, ha, what an ass you are... (Below threshold)
kim:

Ha, ha, what an ass you are, Brian. You link to Sydney Blumenthal?

If you would get your head out of that salon sized box it is in, you might discover that Bush was well received in Europe.
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Brian:Because ... (Below threshold)
marc:

Brian:

Because it seems intellectually honest to accurately represent what they said.

I agree... shocking no?

But in my case the "they" is Gen. Patraeus and the quote you claim he said the surge is working.

Still waiting for a little intellectual honesty, can we expect some this decade?

Meanwhile:

The arrest of Yusron Mahmudi, better known as Abu Dujana, with seven other militants, was a significant blow to the regional terrorist organisation Jemaah Islamiah. Dujana was one of the organisation's most skilled and multifaceted operatives, an Afghan-trained bombmaker, logistics expert, recruiter and, since 2003, the group's amir.

And a few miles to the southeast:

The Singapore Government recently announced the detention of five more militant suspects under its Internal Security Act since November 2006, and the placing of two others under the ISA's lesser Restrictive Orders. Several points bear mentioning. First, one of the five, Abdul Basheer, was an unaffiliated "homegrown" militant. He was not a member of JI, but a law lecturer who was radicalized via the internet and "had made specific plans to pursue 'militant jihad' in Afghanistan." The number of home grown militant cells in Southeast Asia, inspired by Mustafa Al-Suri's doctrine of nizam la tanzim (system, not organization), is expected to grow as JI is further weakened by arrests such as Saturday's capture of JI leader Abu Dujana.

But... there is no global war of terror, it's just a bumper sticker.

Brian manages to make his p... (Below threshold)

Brian manages to make his point by 1) rewriting Reid and Pelosi's words from "HAS FAILED" to "IS FAILING" and 2) inventing quotes from Petraeus.

Lemme give you a couple of examples from real life, Brian:

My computer has some problems right now. The power supply and one of the hard drives ARE FAILING. The power supply is giving off unpleasant moans and whines, and the hard drive is giving "bad" SMART status.

Right now, both are running, operating relatively normal, but they have NOT FAILED. Yet.

This is where the metaphor falls apart. In theory, I could repair both and keep them from failing. Practically speaking, it's cheaper and easier to replace them with new components. But the point remains: "is failing" is qualitatively different from "has failed." It is not a question of semantics, but of simple logic and honesty.

In light of the US Senate's almost-action this week in regard to the Attorney General, I am tempted to call for a vote of "no competence" in Brian.

J.

The report clearly says it ... (Below threshold)
kim:

The report clearly says it is too early to tell the results of the surge.
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The toilet in my house is n... (Below threshold)
hansel2:

The toilet in my house is not working.

Just to be clear, I didn't mean that the toilet is "not working" - what I really mean is that it is working, but there is a temporary malfunction in its ability to flush.

...and the handle doesn't work either, but that's not to say it is broken.

My hope is that with more time the toilet will fix itself if I just keep using it more. But if you suggest that my toilet has failed, well, you're just being intellectually dishonest.

In keeping with the Dems ne... (Below threshold)
hermie:

In keeping with the Dems new strategy, I declare that the Dem majority in Congress has failed due to the fact that they haven't implemented any of their plans within the first 100 hours, or even first 100 days they took over.

The only thing they can do now is for all Dems in the House and Senate to immediately resign and redeploy to San Francisco.

Anyone notice the Reid's go... (Below threshold)
Scrapiron:

Anyone notice the Reid's going downhill mentally. I've scraped a better looking corpse off the interstate after it were ran over by a dozen or so Semi's. The wild look in his eyes is worse than any inmate in the local state mental hospital for the criminally insane. Pigloooshi just looks the same, before and after botox and plastic surgery, real plastic. A bug eyed twit running the house. At least you can use her picture to scare your children. I predict a mask of her with a pig nose will be the number 1 seller this holloween. What a joke the democrat party has became, but they give us several belly laughs per day. The average citizen has taken notice, What, 80% of the people think members of congress are crazy with power, or simply crazy. They are in a basement with no doors or windows.

I think, scrapiron, that am... (Below threshold)
kim:

I think, scrapiron, that among all the beating of chests, and the tearing of hair among the Democrats, Joe Sixpack has figured out that he's got it pretty good and the Dems are loons. I just don't see the Dems convincing people that they are interested in national security. They seem to be betting that radical Islam is a mirage, and ignoring it will make it go away. Do you think it will? Don't you think the electorate will notice?

Fred has provoked a huge response, basically by talking at odds with the Dem's nutroots. I suspect the next year and a half will see a lot of public discourse about the suitability of the Democrats for national leadership. Every one of the leading Democrats is susceptible to ridicule for some of the outrageous things they've said to pacify the fringe.
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JT, I proudly second your m... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

JT, I proudly second your motion of a "no competence" vote on grammatically challenged Brian. You cleaned his clock, but as a typical dimmer, he changed the rules mid-game. ww

Then why did "Joe Sixpack" ... (Below threshold)
victory:

Then why did "Joe Sixpack" vote Democratic in in a landslide in 2006? Your side can't even get a conservative candidate. Fred Thompson has zero chance with swing voters, therefore his highest potential is the 28% that still support Bush despite his multitude of failures.

Landslide? Do you mean 'mu... (Below threshold)
kim:

Landslide? Do you mean 'mudslump'? Joe Sixpack voted for a lot of Blue Dog Democrats, and that was before Pelosi, Reid, and the rest of the pitiful crew made such a spectacle of themselves.

I ask you, will swing voters go with Hillary, or Obama, or Fred. Give me an honest opinion, which of those three can sway people in the middle?
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Victory, there was no lands... (Below threshold)
BillyBob:

Victory, there was no landslide in 2006 because Joe Sixpack stayed home. Joe may stay home in 2008 to finish the job of cleaning house. It's a sacrifice, we know, but the libs weren't voted into to power on their own beliefs, the ran conservative libs just to get Reid & Pelosi up on their pedestals. In the process, the whole world can now see how inept can incompetent they are, just like most pathetic pansy assed socialist libs like yourself.

Conservatives are a patient lot, and we'll clean house this way, but in 2012, after another 4 years of liberal ineptitude, incompetence, high taxes, stupid entitlements, etc, you'll see a real landslide.

hansel2:My hope i... (Below threshold)
_Mike_:

hansel2:
My hope is that with more time the toilet will fix itself if I just keep using it more. But if you suggest that my toilet has failed, well, you're just being intellectually dishonest.

Clearly then the correct solution for a broken toilet is to leave the house since it's falling apart before it collapses on your head.

Well, fortunately you ma... (Below threshold)
drjohn:

Well, fortunately you make statements such as this, ludicrous on their face. Why not make it a lock and tell us that AQ is in its last throes? Reality be damned!

Posted by: Brian at June 13, 2007 11:42 PM

Oh, I know! Let's leave Iraq and let Al Qaida get really strong and built-up! Then we can blame Bush for leaving Iraq!

- drjohn's dog

....Violence in Iraq, as me... (Below threshold)
civil behavior:

....Violence in Iraq, as measured by casualties among troops and civilians, has edged higher despite the U.S.-led security push in Baghdad, the Pentagon told Congress on Wednesday.....

So who we going to believe, our 30% deadenders or the Pentagon?

Kim, do us all a favor, embarrass us some more with your loyal Bushie talk. Pleez, we do so love hearing you go on and on.

To be civil, cb, you'd also... (Below threshold)
kim:

To be civil, cb, you'd also note that the report from the Pentagon states quite plainly that it is too early to decide if the surge is working. I cite your reference.
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"The only thing they can... (Below threshold)
P. Bunyan:

"The only thing they can do now is for all Dems in the House and Senate to immediately resign and redeploy to San Francisco."

LOL!

That would probably double the average I.Q. of both Washington D.C. and San Francisco.

"Every one of the leadin... (Below threshold)
P. Bunyan:

"Every one of the leading Democrats is susceptible to ridicule for some of the outrageous things they've said to pacify the fringe."

Very true Kim, but as soon as one of them has a lock on the nomination, they will start to sing a dramatically differnt toon. (And the leftist, neo-com base won't care, and the press will do it damndest to cover up that fact...)

Hey civil behavior, please ... (Below threshold)
TR19667:

Hey civil behavior, please help our enemies more with you and your ilks continuous "oh we've lost....let's "redeploy". I'm sure AQ does so love hearing you go on and on.

Pathetic lefty loser

Wow imagine Reid declaring ... (Below threshold)
Thomas Jackson:

Wow imagine Reid declaring WWII lost because violence wasn't reduced when the Germans luanched their December offensive in the Ardennes and inflicted 90,000 casualities or when the Japanese held off the Marines at Iwo Jima for six weeks when it was predicted they could take it in six days and inflicted 23,000 casualities to boot.

The dhimmies only demonstrate that they are ignorant and the enemy of all things American when they cat like Reid, Pelosi and the other moonbats who call themselves dhimmiecrats. I saw them in Vietnam and their act hasn't changed but Americans now realize their act for what it is.

civil [mis]behavior:<... (Below threshold)
marc:

civil [mis]behavior:

So who we going to believe, our 30% deadenders or the Pentagon?

We are going to believe what the Pentagon said violence "has edged higher despite the U.S.-led security push in Baghdad."

We are also not be as selective as you CB and read reports from the field of significant progress made in Diyala and al Anbar provinces.

Oh, I know! Let's leave ... (Below threshold)
Brian:

Oh, I know! Let's leave Iraq and let Al Qaida get really strong and built-up!

Gee, how clever. Tell me, how "strong and built-up" has AQ become in Iraq since we got there? Which way is that trend moving?

Brian manages to make hi... (Below threshold)
Brian:

Brian manages to make his point by 1) rewriting Reid and Pelosi's words from "HAS FAILED" to "IS FAILING"

I did no such thing. You are simply displaying your word games (or poor understanding of language) once again.

It's absolutely true that "the escalation HAS FAILED to produce the intended results". Has it produced the intended results? No? Then it "has failed" to do so. It's a perfectly clear sentence, and even you can't deny that it's true.

Lemme give you a couple of examples from real life, Brian:

Now, this part really made me laugh! You give this example that's supposed to show how my statement was false, and then follow it by "This is where the metaphor falls apart." Well yes, Jay, your metaphor fell catastrophically apart! I mean, you describe this whole scenario that is clearly inapplicable, and then admit afterwards that it's inapplicable! You saved me the trouble of demonstrating that very point.

Lemme give YOU a couple of examples from real life, Jay:

My computer has some problems right now. The power supply and one of the hard drives HAVE FAILED. My wife says "stay the course!" My neighbor says "cut and run!" But being the smart technologist I am, I FIX THEM. And then they start working again.

I turn the key to my engine. It HAS FAILED to start. I turn it again. It starts.

My stock is below what I paid. It HAS FAILED to rise. I hope it will rise next week.

I used to think Jay was an honest debater. He HAS FAILED to adhere to that standard. We'll see if he ever recovers.

"is failing" is qualitatively different from "has failed." It is not a question of semantics, but of simple logic and honesty.

As with much of the English language, there is more than one way to say something. The issue is your statement that "has failed" is "conclusive, not indicative." And that is false and disingenuous. It is not a question of semantics, but of simple logic and honesty.

But in my case the "they... (Below threshold)
Brian:

But in my case the "they" is Gen. Patraeus and the quote you claim he said the surge is working.

Still waiting for a little intellectual honesty, can we expect some this decade?

You're the one standing in the way of intellectual honesty. First, try not misrepresenting what I said and then knocking me for not supporting your misrepresentation. Let me know when you get past step 1.




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