Jules Crittendon has a piece up on the Scooter Libby case that is quite insightful, but he misses one final element of snark. Since I like the guy, I'll help him out.
There was no actual crime at the core of the investigation. No one has been charged with actually violating the laws in regards to the revealing of Valerie Plame's CIA employment. As I have quoted several times, Libby was convicted of "lying about telling the truth about a liar." I think that Fitzpatrick should have ended his investigation once he established who leaked Plame's identity, and then decided that that person (Richard Armitage) would not face charges.
Some have called Libby's prosecution a "perjury trap," where he was repeatedly interviewed over the same matter in the hopes that he would contradict himself -- and he apparently did. Now, some folks are arguing to set a "pardon trap," where Bush would implicate himself in the affair by pardoning Libby (or, as some have suggested instead, commute the prison portion of Libby's sentence, leaving the conviction and other penalties intact).
Again, there was no underlying crime in the Plame outing, as witnessed by Armitage's non-prosecution. And there is no potential crime in Bush's possible use of his powers of pardon and commutation in the Libby case. The president's powers in this area are absolute, and if Bill Clinton can pardon his own brother, then Bush is pretty much free to do what he wishes.
Or not.
Personally, I'd like to see Libby's prison sentence commuted. His conviction, to me, smacks of the criminalization of politics, and I don't believe his actions rose to the level of justifying prison time. But perjury is perjury (Bill Clinton notwithstanding), and a jury found him guilty. Hefty fines, disbarment, and loss of franchise seem sufficient, considering that -- to repeat myself -- there was no underlying crime behind the investigation.
Besides, a Libby pardon/commutation will royally piss off a lot of people I don't like, and angry people tend to do stupid things. The response of the Nutroots alone will be worth weeks of entertainment.
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I hate to throw corrections... (Below threshold)1. Posted by Granddaddy Long Legs | June 14, 2007 11:24 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
I hate to throw corrections at you, but I think you mean Patrick Fitzgerald, not "Fitzpatrick."
I just wanted to point that out before left wing bloggers pick up on it and use such a small error as proof that you don't know the first thing about the case, and that your opinion is therefore illegitimate. It's their MO.
1. Posted by Granddaddy Long Legs | June 14, 2007 11:24 AM |
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Posted on June 14, 2007 11:24
2. Posted by New Laws | June 14, 2007 11:29 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
There was no actual crime at the core of the investigation. No one has been charged with actually violating the laws in regards to the revealing of Valerie Plame's CIA employment.
If no one is charged then no crime occurred. Interesting.
Other interesting crime notes:
- The murders attributed to Jack the Ripper did not happen.
- Tupac Shakur was not murdered.
- Jimmy Hoffa is still alive
- There was no Zodiac Killer
- The Hall-Mills Murders did not happen
2. Posted by New Laws | June 14, 2007 11:29 AM |
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Posted on June 14, 2007 11:29
3. Posted by kim | June 14, 2007 11:36 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Fitz was unconstitutionally appointed and the whole trial will get tossed. I want to know if the distinct damage done by Fitz's precedents to the ability of a journalist to protect his sources will stand if he is bounced.
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3. Posted by kim | June 14, 2007 11:36 AM |
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Posted on June 14, 2007 11:36
4. Posted by nikkolai | June 14, 2007 11:38 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
When will we get to see the heroes (Plame and Wilson) cross-examined? That would be worth the price of admission.
4. Posted by nikkolai | June 14, 2007 11:38 AM |
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Posted on June 14, 2007 11:38
5. Posted by kim | June 14, 2007 11:39 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Commutation or pardon at this stage is an error. Respite of sentence, yes, if need be to keep Libby out of jail, but retrial with vindication or dropping of charges is the only way to get justice done in this case. Libby didn't even lie, Russert did, and Fitz suborned his perjury.
And Joe Wilson and Val Plame are traitors.
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5. Posted by kim | June 14, 2007 11:39 AM |
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Posted on June 14, 2007 11:39
6. Posted by kim | June 14, 2007 11:40 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
OK, now I'll see what JC has to say.
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6. Posted by kim | June 14, 2007 11:40 AM |
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Posted on June 14, 2007 11:40
7. Posted by kim | June 14, 2007 11:45 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Well, I agree there is a pardon trap. Walton, Fitz, Wilson, hey, everyone involved but Libby wants a pardon. What is with that?
Read the defense's response to Fitz's argument to jail Libby pending appeal. By now, Walton's probably committed him to jail, and the emergency appeal process started. This will be Walton's last official act with this case. The adults have arrived. Details in Just One Minute.
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7. Posted by kim | June 14, 2007 11:45 AM |
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Posted on June 14, 2007 11:45
8. Posted by _Mike_ | June 14, 2007 12:04 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
I can't wait for the Plame movie. It should be out soon since the fictionalized version was written first.
8. Posted by _Mike_ | June 14, 2007 12:04 PM |
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Posted on June 14, 2007 12:04
9. Posted by WildWillie | June 14, 2007 12:14 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
JT, if you want to see the nutroots reaction, it should be coming here anytime now. ww
9. Posted by WildWillie | June 14, 2007 12:14 PM |
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Posted on June 14, 2007 12:14
10. Posted by jhow66 | June 14, 2007 12:19 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
If I were Bush I would pardon him now. And then tell anyone if they don't like it to stick it.
10. Posted by jhow66 | June 14, 2007 12:19 PM |
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Posted on June 14, 2007 12:19
11. Posted by Dirk | June 14, 2007 12:33 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
An easy thing to remember is that whatever a Huffington Post writer advocates, it is probably wrong or illegal. Even if it agrees with you, they are probably doing it for completely stupid reasons.
11. Posted by Dirk | June 14, 2007 12:33 PM |
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Posted on June 14, 2007 12:33
12. Posted by GeminiChuck | June 14, 2007 12:34 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Underlying crime of Libby's was obstruction of justice. BUT, the entire prosecution team and the Justice dept understood that there was no crime there to obstruct when they were repeatedly dragging Libby and Rove in front of the grand jury. gc
12. Posted by GeminiChuck | June 14, 2007 12:34 PM |
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Posted on June 14, 2007 12:34
13. Posted by P. Bunyan | June 14, 2007 12:36 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
I know this is a little OT, but that USDOJ link in Crittendon's post got me thinking..
If Hillary gets elected, will Susan McDougal have to spend the entire time Hillary is President in prison too?
I'd love for someone to ask this of candidate Clinton: "So how did you get Susan McDougal to sit in prison until the final days of your husband's Presidency, when all she had to do to get out was simple tell the truth about you two?"
13. Posted by P. Bunyan | June 14, 2007 12:36 PM |
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Posted on June 14, 2007 12:36
14. Posted by JFO | June 14, 2007 12:38 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
From Jay Tea:
"The response of the Nutroots alone will be worth weeks of entertainment."
As is the entertainment of the "nutroots" watching the "wingnuts" -those folks who believe in the rule of law and personal responsibility - rationalize, minimize, justify, and deny abject intentional criminal behavior of one of their darlings. Our entertainment has been going on for 2 weeks now. I had some today.
14. Posted by JFO | June 14, 2007 12:38 PM |
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Posted on June 14, 2007 12:38
15. Posted by Oyster | June 14, 2007 12:44 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
New Laws: You're not even in the same ballpark with your "examples".
There was no crime found in the revealing of Plame's name. Not only does the person in question have to be a covert agent within a certain time frame, but the person revealing their identity has to have done it with full knowledge that their name cannot be revealed.
Your examples are actual crimes with no perps. I can't believe that has to be spelled out.
15. Posted by Oyster | June 14, 2007 12:44 PM |
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Posted on June 14, 2007 12:44
16. Posted by Dirk | June 14, 2007 12:45 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
JFO, your impassioned plea for respecting the rule of law might have more weight if your moronic friends in the Netroots hadn't spent the last 6.5 years saying the SCOTUS only stopped the counting in Florida because they were evil Republicans.
16. Posted by Dirk | June 14, 2007 12:45 PM |
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Posted on June 14, 2007 12:45
17. Posted by Blue Neponset | June 14, 2007 12:52 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Besides, a Libby pardon/commutation will royally piss off a lot of people I don't like, and angry people tend to do stupid things. The response of the Nutroots alone will be worth weeks of entertainment.
Pissing off the Dems is all you guys have left isn't it? That is kind of sad actually.
17. Posted by Blue Neponset | June 14, 2007 12:52 PM |
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Posted on June 14, 2007 12:52
18. Posted by mantis | June 14, 2007 1:14 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
There was no crime found in the revealing of Plame's name.
But was there a crime committed?
Not only does the person in question have to be a covert agent within a certain time frame,
Fulfilled:
"At the time of the publication of Robert Novak's column on July 14, 2003, Ms. Wilson's CIA employment status was covert. This was classified information."
- CIA director Michael Hayden, as read in House Commmittee on Oversight and Government Reform Hearing on CIA Identity Leak
but the person revealing their identity has to have done it with full knowledge that their name cannot be revealed.
Very hard to prove. That's why no one was charged. Doesn't mean a crime wasn't committed.
Your examples are actual crimes with no perps. I can't believe that has to be spelled out.
Tell Jay Tea. He's the one that seems to think no charge=no crime.
18. Posted by mantis | June 14, 2007 1:14 PM |
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Posted on June 14, 2007 13:14
19. Posted by Jo | June 14, 2007 1:53 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Fitzgerald needs to join Nifong this week in his ethics hearing down in Carolina.
Both need to be disbarred.
19. Posted by Jo | June 14, 2007 1:53 PM |
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Posted on June 14, 2007 13:53
20. Posted by kim | June 14, 2007 2:02 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
mantis, be honest, it was Waxman saying that as he waved a paper purporting to be from Hayden around in the air. The CIA has not yet rendered an opinion on her covertiness, and probably won't now that she and hubbie are suing the CIA.
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20. Posted by kim | June 14, 2007 2:02 PM |
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Posted on June 14, 2007 14:02
21. Posted by Adrian Browne | June 14, 2007 2:05 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Walton denies request to be released pending appeal.
Scary times -- it's the criminalization of crime!
21. Posted by Adrian Browne | June 14, 2007 2:05 PM |
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Posted on June 14, 2007 14:05
22. Posted by Heralder | June 14, 2007 2:08 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
mantis:
I could be wrong, but according to law, isn't that exactly what it means?
22. Posted by Heralder | June 14, 2007 2:08 PM |
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Posted on June 14, 2007 14:08
23. Posted by kim | June 14, 2007 2:18 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
AB, this was expected. Look upthread, I predicted this action by Walton. He's still hoping for a pardon. Note the 'unless I'm overuled' in his decision? He know he's had it.
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23. Posted by kim | June 14, 2007 2:18 PM |
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Posted on June 14, 2007 14:18
24. Posted by Eric | June 14, 2007 2:18 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
mantis, kim, et al
The standard for "covert" is spelled out in the law. Whether or not the CIA says Plame was covert is immaterial. That's why Fitz tried to increase Libby's purjury sentence with the "outing" accusation instead of actually bringing it as a charge. Nobody broke the law in telling Novak Plame worked for the CIA.
24. Posted by Eric | June 14, 2007 2:18 PM |
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Posted on June 14, 2007 14:18
25. Posted by kim | June 14, 2007 2:21 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Yes, mantis, a crime was committed. Joe and Val released classified information. It was the manipulating of that information, IN THE TIME OF WAR, that makes the crime capital.
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25. Posted by kim | June 14, 2007 2:21 PM |
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Posted on June 14, 2007 14:21
26. Posted by kim | June 14, 2007 2:22 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Right, Eric, and on that tactic alone Fitz ought to be disbarred.
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26. Posted by kim | June 14, 2007 2:22 PM |
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Posted on June 14, 2007 14:22
27. Posted by kim | June 14, 2007 2:25 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
It is an accusation that Libby was not allowed to confront, in the trial, nor in the sentencing phase. And Fitz claims to be a US Attorney? This is what has a lot of US Law Professors steamed. There was a lot of Sixth Amendment abuse in this trial, and only Jeralyn Merritt, of virtually all leftists, admits it.
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27. Posted by kim | June 14, 2007 2:25 PM |
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Posted on June 14, 2007 14:25
28. Posted by kim | June 14, 2007 2:27 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
There is a poorly monitored border somewhere around Old Mexico, or New, or whatever.
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28. Posted by kim | June 14, 2007 2:27 PM |
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Posted on June 14, 2007 14:27
29. Posted by kim | June 14, 2007 2:29 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Angelina Jolie can play Plame in Heart of Darkness.
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29. Posted by kim | June 14, 2007 2:29 PM |
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Posted on June 14, 2007 14:29
30. Posted by kim | June 14, 2007 2:31 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Well, once the Dems throw those liars under the bus. Again. You know they'll have to. It's the only way out for them. The House of Cards is collapsing. Even the peacock can't stop it this time. Nor Alan.
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30. Posted by kim | June 14, 2007 2:31 PM |
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Posted on June 14, 2007 14:31
31. Posted by kim | June 14, 2007 2:32 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
But if wishes were horses, beggars wouldn't have to scoot off to Appellate Court.
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31. Posted by kim | June 14, 2007 2:32 PM |
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Posted on June 14, 2007 14:32
32. Posted by mantis | June 14, 2007 2:33 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
How was I dishonest? That's what was read in the hearing. Did Hayden deny that he cleared the comments? Are you accusing Waxman of making all this up?
The CIA has not yet rendered an opinion on her covertiness
Except for the aforementioned comments submitted to the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, and that there was some reason why Justice believed this:
"it was clear from very early in the investigation that Ms. Wilson qualified under the
relevant statute (Title 50, United States Code, Section 421) as a covert agent whose identity
had been disclosed by public officials, including Mr. Libby, to the press."
But I'm sure you're right, and the Justice Department and Waxman and/or the CIA are making it all up.
32. Posted by mantis | June 14, 2007 2:33 PM |
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Posted on June 14, 2007 14:33
33. Posted by mantis | June 14, 2007 2:35 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
I could be wrong, but according to law, isn't that exactly what it means?
According to the law, if you cannot prove a crime was committed then none was? Tell it to Ronald Goldman and Nicole Simpson's families.
33. Posted by mantis | June 14, 2007 2:35 PM |
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Posted on June 14, 2007 14:35
34. Posted by kim | June 14, 2007 2:41 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
This case is not about 'covert'. It is about the handling of the elephant 'classified' by at least eight blind men. The blind Fitz is hoist by his mishandling of the trunk.
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34. Posted by kim | June 14, 2007 2:41 PM |
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Posted on June 14, 2007 14:41
35. Posted by BarneyG2000 | June 14, 2007 2:43 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
I guess there is no such thing as an unsolved crime. Right Kim and Jay?
Also:
-She was covert, that has been established over and over.
-I love how the right always conveniently forgets the obstruction of justice crime
-Libby is going to the big house
-Haa Haa
35. Posted by BarneyG2000 | June 14, 2007 2:43 PM |
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Posted on June 14, 2007 14:43
36. Posted by Rob LA Ca. | June 14, 2007 2:45 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
"Pissing off the Dems is all you guys have left isn't it? That is kind of sad actually."
Excuse me? Is that all you have left?
What you meant to say was you acknowledge that President Bush was REELECTED TO A SECOND TERM and you Rats have yet to stop crying like babies.
What truely is sad is are the lives that are loss at the hands of the Democrat Party from their lies and smears that are spread by their propagandist partners who for years now have infested the MSM. While the democrat media is spewing democrat talking points they are also helping their terrorist allies with their recruiting shortcomings and spreading their Propaganda by willingly providing them with access to our livingrooms.
You should be grateful that in response to the democrats attacking our Country and our Commander in Chief in a time of war that you are even alive to shamelessly utter those words:
"Pissing off the Dems is all you guys have left isn't it?
What this proves is undeniable , the Rats are at war with the terrorists against US , TRUE AMERICANS.
36. Posted by Rob LA Ca. | June 14, 2007 2:45 PM |
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37. Posted by kim | June 14, 2007 2:45 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
The busher, seeing an elephant eat for the first time, went home and told his friend the amazing spectacle he had seen. That one is specially for OB/is our.
bD, can't you strike up the band for the Mulberry Street Parade with Val and Joe strutting together as birds of a feather?
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37. Posted by kim | June 14, 2007 2:45 PM |
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Posted on June 14, 2007 14:45
38. Posted by kim | June 14, 2007 2:54 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
BG2, she was covert by informal usage in the CIA, not for purposes of prosecution under either possibly relevant statute. She was 'classified'. See my note about blind men and elephants above. She was blind, too.
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38. Posted by kim | June 14, 2007 2:54 PM |
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Posted on June 14, 2007 14:54
39. Posted by WildWillie | June 14, 2007 2:54 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
For the lefties let me type slower: Libby was not charged with outing a covert agent because the government cannot prove it. If they can't prove it, he did not do it. Unless you are in Niphongs camp. Hell with the evidence, they are guilty.
For the really slow lefty who told us to tell Nicole and Ronald Goldman: No one said they weren't murdered. No one says there was not a crime that took place. The government just didn't prove it was Simpson. Like it or not, and I don't at times, thems are the rules.
Libby did not out Plame by the letter of the law. ww
39. Posted by WildWillie | June 14, 2007 2:54 PM |
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Posted on June 14, 2007 14:54