The Jawa Report posts a link to this story about the U.S. airstrike against the Taliban that resulted in the deaths of several children. Warning: the picture at Jawa is graphic.
Update: Be sure to read the excellent post at Bookworm Room about the media coverage of this story.
3. Posted by
Phoenix | June 18, 2007 12:58 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Phoenix:
Only one interested commenter so far, and that is only kim.
Guess there's not much interest among Wizthings about Afghani children since they were only killed as collateral rather than aborted. Had it been the latter, there would already be 100+ commnets.
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Phoenix | June 18, 2007 12:58 PM |
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5. Posted by
Peter F. | June 18, 2007 1:22 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Peter F.:
Phoenix, that's just pea-brained and ignorant.
My first reaction to the story was "oh God, not good. Not good at all." No reasonable and compassionate person wants to hear or see children killed in any way, shape or form. It is horrific.
Equally horrific is the fact that the Taliban, AQ and other Islamofacists apparently have no morla issues with using children and others as human shields. It is a barbaric tactic, and until they cease doing so we'll hear about more deaths like these.
5. Posted by
Peter F. | June 18, 2007 1:22 PM |
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If you hide yourselves and your weapons in places where children are present, then those children are going to get killed. Not our fault these so-called people act like animals (and I apologize for characterizing animals in a pejorative way). Details like this should not have any effect on our strategy.
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langtry | June 18, 2007 1:26 PM |
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8. Posted by
Jumpinjoe | June 18, 2007 1:44 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Jumpinjoe:
Guess there's not much interest among Wizthings about Afghani children since they were only killed as collateral rather than aborted
Ignorant lefty, over the last couple of years there has been doctrinal change on engaging the enemy that is firing from buildings. Instead of taking the structure room by room and having American soldiers getting their faces blown off, the policy is to blow the place up instead.
What's worth more? An American life or a mud hut compound?
Since I follow the news from Afghanistan daily since my son is there with Task force Fury, 82nd Airborne, most of you lefties probably missed these stories a couple of days ago.
Afghan president, UN speak out after girls' school attack
AFP - Afghan President Hamid Karzai said Wednesday an attack on a girls' school that killed two students would not stop efforts to educate girls, while the UN expressed concern about violence and intimidation.
Gunmen on motorbikes at the weekend sprayed a girls' school about 60 kilometres (35 miles) south of Kabul in Logar province with bullets. Two students and a teacher were also wounded.
It was a "cowardly, unmanly and brutal act", Karzai told reporters in Kabul.
At least 85 students and teachers were killed last year in incidents blamed on insurgents, who also torched 187 schools, Education Minister Mohammad Hanif Atmar said in April
BBC News - At least six children have been killed and four injured in a suicide attack on a Nato convoy in the Afghan province of Uruzgan, police say. Police told the BBC that the attacker drove his vehicle into the convoy in the provincial capital, Tarin Kowt
The defence ministers said they would try to improve co-ordination between Nato, US-led and Afghan forces, but they laid the blame for civilian casualties on the Taleban, who they say deliberately draw fire into civilian areas
AFP - Two suicide attackers blew themselves up near NATO convoys in southern Afghanistan Friday, one of them killing five boys and wounding two foreign soldiers, Afghan officials said
8. Posted by
Jumpinjoe | June 18, 2007 1:44 PM |
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10. Posted by
brainy435 | June 18, 2007 2:02 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
brainy435:
""If we knew that there were children inside the building, there was no way that that airstrike would have occurred," said Sgt. 1st Class Dean Welch, another coalition spokesman."
This remark troubles me greatly. If these guys were valuable targets, then they needed to be killed at the earliest opportunity. If they brought children with them to conduct nefarious business, their deaths are on them, not us. I can't imagine there would be much as indignation from the lefties if our soldiers set up a school for their children in the green zone and it was bombed. Then again, I don't rememner them getting outraged at Isreali children being targeted in Sredot, either.
More evidence that the rules of war only exist to hamper the West.
10. Posted by
brainy435 | June 18, 2007 2:02 PM |
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11. Posted by
Geoff Kartusch | June 18, 2007 2:05 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Geoff Kartusch:
Dear Sirs,
You destroy you credibility with headlines like "US-led airstrike kills 7 afghan children". I am not saying that it is inaccurate that childern died but your decision to emphasize the childern over the militants that were hiding
among them (dont they have any responsibility for the childerns deaths?) shows what "side" you are on. Your local "reporters" must be working for or
sympathizing with the Taliban because the decision to highlight the childern's
deaths is called propaganda. The apporpriate objective headline would have been "US-led airstrike kills several afghans" a little more biased (judgemental) would have headlined "US-led airstrike kills 7 afghan civilians". If it can be
spun anti-US you will spin it anti-US. Since most people only read the headlines your message has been received by millions of islamic fanatics who now want to kill US even more for murdering childern.
Thank you AP.
11. Posted by
Geoff Kartusch | June 18, 2007 2:05 PM |
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12. Posted by
Jumpinjoe | June 18, 2007 2:12 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Jumpinjoe:
What's worth more? An American life or seven Afghan childrens'
Another ignorant lefty. You do know that they didn't know children were there, right?
So the lefty contention is Americans must use only small arms fire and do frontal assaults on Taliban firing from buildings just in case someone other than terrorists are in the building.
The other option is for American to shrug their shoulders and get out of range of enemy bullets as not to give "DEMOCRATS" talking points.
The day is coming where lefties will not be able to hide their phony "I support the troops" line any more.
12. Posted by
Jumpinjoe | June 18, 2007 2:12 PM |
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13. Posted by
civil behavior | June 18, 2007 2:14 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
civil behavior:
I see.
So we have A Taliban resurgence in a country disregarded in favor of a political agenda (PNAC)which is now using techniques copied from the war in Iraq provided to the insurgency by George W Bush. Thanks George
We have over a million Iraqi refugees, a constant brain drain leaving only the most desperate and poor behind created by George W Bush. Thanks George.
We have over 3500 American kids dead, many hundreds of thousands Iraqis dead and an inumerable amount maimed and injured thanks to George W Bush. Thanks George.
All of this whle we are being told the insurgency is in its "last throes". Have we lost our collective minds?
13. Posted by
civil behavior | June 18, 2007 2:14 PM |
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14. Posted by
BarneyG2000 | June 18, 2007 2:28 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
BarneyG2000:
Jumpinjoe, why aren't pissed at Bush? He got bored with Afghanistan and started pulling resources to fight Saddam. He never finished the job, and now innocent persons are getting killed.
Direct your anger to the person responsible.
14. Posted by
BarneyG2000 | June 18, 2007 2:28 PM |
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15. Posted by
Jumpinjoe | June 18, 2007 2:29 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Jumpinjoe:
So we have A Taliban resurgence in a country disregarded in favor of a political agenda (PNAC)which is now using techniques copied from the war in Iraq provided to the insurgency by George W Bush
Wow, the ignorance abounds here from the lefties today. The Taliban, AQ, Hamas, etc, etc, have had no problem using children as human shields because they know it fulfills it's goal.
That goal by the way is for American lefties to argue against those that Americans are fighting and sympathize with those that have absolutely no problem killing children in the name of Allah.
BTW, the Taliban have been attacking schools because girls are attending. No mention of outrage from the lefties. Nope, none at all.
What a bunch of goose-stepping dupes.
15. Posted by
Jumpinjoe | June 18, 2007 2:29 PM |
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16. Posted by
moon6 | June 18, 2007 2:36 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
moon6:
I didn't care for Sgt. Welch's statement either. When we were fighting in France, we didn't gratuitously kill French civilians, but if the Wehrmacht decided to make a stand in a town, the town got shelled. If we are serious about fighting these people, we need to do the same.
Too bad about the kids, but their death is on the Taliban.
16. Posted by
moon6 | June 18, 2007 2:36 PM |
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17. Posted by
Jumpinjoe | June 18, 2007 2:40 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Jumpinjoe:
Jumpinjoe, why aren't pissed at Bush? He got bored with Afghanistan and started pulling resources to fight Saddam
I guess President Bush should have never listened to every prominent Democrat from Clinton on down about the threat of Saddam.
After all, after Clinton bombed Iraq for four days (12 hours before impeachment proceedings) OBL vowed revenge for those attacks. AQ kept their promise with hit after hit cumulating into 9-11.
You would have thought President Bush would have learned his lesson with listening to Democrats by now.
17. Posted by
Jumpinjoe | June 18, 2007 2:40 PM |
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18. Posted by
brainy435 | June 18, 2007 2:46 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
brainy435:
"So we have A Taliban resurgence in a country disregarded in favor of a political agenda (PNAC)which is now using techniques copied from the war in Iraq provided to the insurgency by George W Bush. Thanks George"
civil behavior
"Jumpinjoe, why aren't pissed at Bush? He got bored with Afghanistan and started pulling resources to fight Saddam. He never finished the job, and now innocent persons are getting killed."
Barney
Do you people even read what you're commenting on?
"Since winter, the Taliban had been promising a spring offensive. It didn't come. Instead, NATO and U.S. forces have pounded the group's positions and killed its senior leadership."
18. Posted by
brainy435 | June 18, 2007 2:46 PM |
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19. Posted by
jhow66 | June 18, 2007 2:51 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
jhow66:
B'google and c' beh' are two of the lowest pieces of crap on the planet. It is hard to believe that there is someone this stupid on this earth. But reading what these two dumbasses post you see that there are. But then again they belong to the cur dog party.
19. Posted by
jhow66 | June 18, 2007 2:51 PM |
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23. Posted by
Veeshir | June 18, 2007 3:27 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Veeshir:
And by the way, if we did do that Iraq still would not have WMD.
There's no need to be so disappointed about that. Iran is working on them so you'll have some enemy of America with WMDs.
23. Posted by
Veeshir | June 18, 2007 3:27 PM |
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24. Posted by
Jumpinjoe | June 18, 2007 3:36 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Jumpinjoe:
Jumpinjoe: You're awesome - and so is your son
Wow, thank-you. I just got a great e-mail from my son this morning. He is maintaining a great attitude and is staying motivated about doing the job over there.
About two weeks ago he was in his first firefight and the 82nd lost a man during that skirmish. It makes me worry and proud at the same time.
24. Posted by
Jumpinjoe | June 18, 2007 3:36 PM |
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28. Posted by
Ran | June 18, 2007 4:30 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Ran:
Ok, just for my own edification, would one of you Donks PLEASE explain to me how a war should be executed. As in time frame, amount of damage, money spent, etc. PLEASE don't throw the "BUSH LIED" crap in, just explain your rules for such unpleasant tasks. Or just a "Police Action" would do, right?
28. Posted by
Ran | June 18, 2007 4:30 PM |
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29. Posted by
Peter F. | June 18, 2007 5:06 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Peter F.:
Direct your anger to the person responsible.
Yes, that would be Osama bin Laden and the many others like him (Saddam, IamWhackJob, Arafat) who started this fight in the first place, you worthless turdburglar.
...which is now using techniques copied from the war in Iraq provided to the insurgency by George W Bush. Thanks George"
BS. Terrorists have been using women and children as human shields for years. Pay attention.
29. Posted by
Peter F. | June 18, 2007 5:06 PM |
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40. Posted by
Peter F. | June 18, 2007 11:35 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Peter F.:
....since that's where the people who attacked us were....
Oh, but what about SA, UAE and the other countries from whence the attackers originated? Hmmm? The conventional wisdom/argument from Donks is that it is those countries where the 9/11 attackers came from, so we should be attacking them.
And goodness knows, those Islamofascists couldn't possibly exist in any other country other than Afghanistan; nor could they possibly have roots or ties to any other countries in the ME.
Oh, and I know, I know....you didn't even imply any of this, so I'm presenting a strawman argument, etc. blah, blah.... And you're right, you didn't say any of this, true. It's just what you didn't say that speaks volumes about your lack of understanding about our enemy.
40. Posted by
Peter F. | June 18, 2007 11:35 PM |
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42. Posted by
LAB | June 18, 2007 11:47 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
LAB:
"Equally horrific is the fact that the Taliban, AQ and other Islamofacists apparently have no morla issues with using children and others as human shields. It is a barbaric tactic, and until they cease doing so we'll hear about more deaths like these."
Exactly, Peter. The most heartbreaking thing about this is these kids never stood a chance. They were born in a place and circumstance that left them with no sense of security or hope for the future.
42. Posted by
LAB | June 18, 2007 11:47 PM |
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Bill Roggio has reported on this extensively. NATO has made life so hard for the Taliban operating in Afghanistan that all their bases and training camps have moved into Pakistan (Waziristan and surrounding areas). Musharref can't and/or won't do anything about it (some of both), so despite the occasional hot pursuit over the border by NATO and the occasional Pakistani artillery barrage/helicopter assault, the Taliban operate there with impunity. I would be moderately surprised if the photos and videos we're seeing aren't coming from within Pakistan.
44. Posted by
Nicholas | June 19, 2007 6:33 AM |
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45. Posted by
kim | June 19, 2007 8:59 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
kim:
There's some ebb and flow of Taliban control of districts, too; recent eastern ebb and southern flow. They are acting like al-Qaeda now, going after police, teachers, the civilizers.
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45. Posted by
kim | June 19, 2007 8:59 AM |
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46. Posted by
Ben | June 19, 2007 10:23 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Ben:
I think it is disgraceful the way even the "Liberals" conspire to patronize the Taliban and suppress and demean their indigenous culture! I expected this from the Right, but Leftys too? Shame? You call them children! Civilians? In their culture, as the recent Taliban video demonstrates, such Western stereotypes do not exist. We killed young warriors, dressed in the traditional garb of warriors (the fact that this often appears to our Western eyes to closely resemble jeans and a polo shirt is entirely due to our cultural ignorance). Warriors. Any other assumption, given the age and clothing styles which our enemy so frequently presents to us, is nothing more than the cultural imperialism of a material-centric worldview created by dead white European men.
Of course, we cannot allow anyone to dispute a central tenet of their religion- these proud, and now somewhat metabolically impaired warriors now frolic amongst rivers of wine and the endless attentions of young women (unless they were female themselves, in which case the imams have yet to offer us a compelling alternate scenario, but let's not be judgemental!), and who are we to wish to deny them this?
Shame, shame, leftists, if you wish them to go on living lives of poverty and missed opportunities for personal expression and growth, when they could have, for the mere cost of a single bombing run, an eternity in paradise! Have you no concern at all for their indigenous social values?
Ben
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Ben | June 19, 2007 10:23 AM |
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50. Posted by
kim | June 20, 2007 9:06 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
kim:
The scream has both object and content as a unity; the void. It is no wonder, nor should be a surprise, the attraction to the nihilism of the radical Muslim. Such an extraordinary complement, though.
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Why doesn't the Taliban put... (Below threshold)1. Posted by kim | June 18, 2007 12:35 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Why doesn't the Taliban put uniforms on those children. A simple kerchief, no?
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1. Posted by kim | June 18, 2007 12:35 PM |
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Posted on June 18, 2007 12:35
2. Posted by Jan | June 18, 2007 12:53 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Wouldn't it be wonderful if we could prevent children from being killed during war or being used by terrorists as shields?
2. Posted by Jan | June 18, 2007 12:53 PM |
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Posted on June 18, 2007 12:53
3. Posted by Phoenix | June 18, 2007 12:58 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Only one interested commenter so far, and that is only kim.
Guess there's not much interest among Wizthings about Afghani children since they were only killed as collateral rather than aborted. Had it been the latter, there would already be 100+ commnets.
3. Posted by Phoenix | June 18, 2007 12:58 PM |
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Posted on June 18, 2007 12:58
4. Posted by Phoenix | June 18, 2007 1:10 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Only 2 comments so far, and one is only from kim.
Not much interest apparently among Wizthings about Afghani children killed as collaterals.
Had the Afghan children been aborted however, there would likely already have been 100+ comments.
4. Posted by Phoenix | June 18, 2007 1:10 PM |
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Posted on June 18, 2007 13:10
5. Posted by Peter F. | June 18, 2007 1:22 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Phoenix, that's just pea-brained and ignorant.
My first reaction to the story was "oh God, not good. Not good at all." No reasonable and compassionate person wants to hear or see children killed in any way, shape or form. It is horrific.
Equally horrific is the fact that the Taliban, AQ and other Islamofacists apparently have no morla issues with using children and others as human shields. It is a barbaric tactic, and until they cease doing so we'll hear about more deaths like these.
5. Posted by Peter F. | June 18, 2007 1:22 PM |
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Posted on June 18, 2007 13:22
6. Posted by langtry | June 18, 2007 1:26 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
If you hide yourselves and your weapons in places where children are present, then those children are going to get killed. Not our fault these so-called people act like animals (and I apologize for characterizing animals in a pejorative way). Details like this should not have any effect on our strategy.
6. Posted by langtry | June 18, 2007 1:26 PM |
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Posted on June 18, 2007 13:26
7. Posted by Ran | June 18, 2007 1:27 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
If you don't see the difference between the two Phoenix, go back to eating at the children's table.
7. Posted by Ran | June 18, 2007 1:27 PM |
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Posted on June 18, 2007 13:27
8. Posted by Jumpinjoe | June 18, 2007 1:44 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Ignorant lefty, over the last couple of years there has been doctrinal change on engaging the enemy that is firing from buildings. Instead of taking the structure room by room and having American soldiers getting their faces blown off, the policy is to blow the place up instead.
What's worth more? An American life or a mud hut compound?
Since I follow the news from Afghanistan daily since my son is there with Task force Fury, 82nd Airborne, most of you lefties probably missed these stories a couple of days ago.
Afghan president, UN speak out after girls' school attack
AFP - Afghan President Hamid Karzai said Wednesday an attack on a girls' school that killed two students would not stop efforts to educate girls, while the UN expressed concern about violence and intimidation.
Gunmen on motorbikes at the weekend sprayed a girls' school about 60 kilometres (35 miles) south of Kabul in Logar province with bullets. Two students and a teacher were also wounded.
It was a "cowardly, unmanly and brutal act", Karzai told reporters in Kabul.
At least 85 students and teachers were killed last year in incidents blamed on insurgents, who also torched 187 schools, Education Minister Mohammad Hanif Atmar said in April
'Children dead' in Afghan bombing
BBC News - At least six children have been killed and four injured in a suicide attack on a Nato convoy in the Afghan province of Uruzgan, police say. Police told the BBC that the attacker drove his vehicle into the convoy in the provincial capital, Tarin Kowt
The defence ministers said they would try to improve co-ordination between Nato, US-led and Afghan forces, but they laid the blame for civilian casualties on the Taleban, who they say deliberately draw fire into civilian areas
Five boys, coalition soldier killed in fresh Afghan violence
AFP - Two suicide attackers blew themselves up near NATO convoys in southern Afghanistan Friday, one of them killing five boys and wounding two foreign soldiers, Afghan officials said
8. Posted by Jumpinjoe | June 18, 2007 1:44 PM |
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Posted on June 18, 2007 13:44
9. Posted by Your Math | June 18, 2007 2:00 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
What's worth more? An American life or a mud hut compound?
What's worth more? An American life or seven Afghan childrens'?
9. Posted by Your Math | June 18, 2007 2:00 PM |
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Posted on June 18, 2007 14:00
10. Posted by brainy435 | June 18, 2007 2:02 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
""If we knew that there were children inside the building, there was no way that that airstrike would have occurred," said Sgt. 1st Class Dean Welch, another coalition spokesman."
This remark troubles me greatly. If these guys were valuable targets, then they needed to be killed at the earliest opportunity. If they brought children with them to conduct nefarious business, their deaths are on them, not us. I can't imagine there would be much as indignation from the lefties if our soldiers set up a school for their children in the green zone and it was bombed. Then again, I don't rememner them getting outraged at Isreali children being targeted in Sredot, either.
More evidence that the rules of war only exist to hamper the West.
10. Posted by brainy435 | June 18, 2007 2:02 PM |
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Posted on June 18, 2007 14:02
11. Posted by Geoff Kartusch | June 18, 2007 2:05 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Dear Sirs,
You destroy you credibility with headlines like "US-led airstrike kills 7 afghan children". I am not saying that it is inaccurate that childern died but your decision to emphasize the childern over the militants that were hiding
among them (dont they have any responsibility for the childerns deaths?) shows what "side" you are on. Your local "reporters" must be working for or
sympathizing with the Taliban because the decision to highlight the childern's
deaths is called propaganda. The apporpriate objective headline would have been "US-led airstrike kills several afghans" a little more biased (judgemental) would have headlined "US-led airstrike kills 7 afghan civilians". If it can be
spun anti-US you will spin it anti-US. Since most people only read the headlines your message has been received by millions of islamic fanatics who now want to kill US even more for murdering childern.
Thank you AP.
11. Posted by Geoff Kartusch | June 18, 2007 2:05 PM |
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Posted on June 18, 2007 14:05
12. Posted by Jumpinjoe | June 18, 2007 2:12 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Another ignorant lefty. You do know that they didn't know children were there, right?
So the lefty contention is Americans must use only small arms fire and do frontal assaults on Taliban firing from buildings just in case someone other than terrorists are in the building.
The other option is for American to shrug their shoulders and get out of range of enemy bullets as not to give "DEMOCRATS" talking points.
The day is coming where lefties will not be able to hide their phony "I support the troops" line any more.
12. Posted by Jumpinjoe | June 18, 2007 2:12 PM |
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Posted on June 18, 2007 14:12
13. Posted by civil behavior | June 18, 2007 2:14 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
I see.
So we have A Taliban resurgence in a country disregarded in favor of a political agenda (PNAC)which is now using techniques copied from the war in Iraq provided to the insurgency by George W Bush. Thanks George
We have over a million Iraqi refugees, a constant brain drain leaving only the most desperate and poor behind created by George W Bush. Thanks George.
We have over 3500 American kids dead, many hundreds of thousands Iraqis dead and an inumerable amount maimed and injured thanks to George W Bush. Thanks George.
All of this whle we are being told the insurgency is in its "last throes". Have we lost our collective minds?
13. Posted by civil behavior | June 18, 2007 2:14 PM |
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Posted on June 18, 2007 14:14
14. Posted by BarneyG2000 | June 18, 2007 2:28 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Jumpinjoe, why aren't pissed at Bush? He got bored with Afghanistan and started pulling resources to fight Saddam. He never finished the job, and now innocent persons are getting killed.
Direct your anger to the person responsible.
14. Posted by BarneyG2000 | June 18, 2007 2:28 PM |
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Posted on June 18, 2007 14:28
15. Posted by Jumpinjoe | June 18, 2007 2:29 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Wow, the ignorance abounds here from the lefties today. The Taliban, AQ, Hamas, etc, etc, have had no problem using children as human shields because they know it fulfills it's goal.
That goal by the way is for American lefties to argue against those that Americans are fighting and sympathize with those that have absolutely no problem killing children in the name of Allah.
BTW, the Taliban have been attacking schools because girls are attending. No mention of outrage from the lefties. Nope, none at all.
What a bunch of goose-stepping dupes.
15. Posted by Jumpinjoe | June 18, 2007 2:29 PM |
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Posted on June 18, 2007 14:29
16. Posted by moon6 | June 18, 2007 2:36 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
I didn't care for Sgt. Welch's statement either. When we were fighting in France, we didn't gratuitously kill French civilians, but if the Wehrmacht decided to make a stand in a town, the town got shelled. If we are serious about fighting these people, we need to do the same.
Too bad about the kids, but their death is on the Taliban.
16. Posted by moon6 | June 18, 2007 2:36 PM |
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Posted on June 18, 2007 14:36
17. Posted by Jumpinjoe | June 18, 2007 2:40 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
I guess President Bush should have never listened to every prominent Democrat from Clinton on down about the threat of Saddam.
After all, after Clinton bombed Iraq for four days (12 hours before impeachment proceedings) OBL vowed revenge for those attacks. AQ kept their promise with hit after hit cumulating into 9-11.
You would have thought President Bush would have learned his lesson with listening to Democrats by now.
17. Posted by Jumpinjoe | June 18, 2007 2:40 PM |
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Posted on June 18, 2007 14:40
18. Posted by brainy435 | June 18, 2007 2:46 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
"So we have A Taliban resurgence in a country disregarded in favor of a political agenda (PNAC)which is now using techniques copied from the war in Iraq provided to the insurgency by George W Bush. Thanks George"
civil behavior
"Jumpinjoe, why aren't pissed at Bush? He got bored with Afghanistan and started pulling resources to fight Saddam. He never finished the job, and now innocent persons are getting killed."
Barney
Do you people even read what you're commenting on?
"Since winter, the Taliban had been promising a spring offensive. It didn't come. Instead, NATO and U.S. forces have pounded the group's positions and killed its senior leadership."
18. Posted by brainy435 | June 18, 2007 2:46 PM |
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Posted on June 18, 2007 14:46
19. Posted by jhow66 | June 18, 2007 2:51 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
B'google and c' beh' are two of the lowest pieces of crap on the planet. It is hard to believe that there is someone this stupid on this earth. But reading what these two dumbasses post you see that there are. But then again they belong to the cur dog party.
19. Posted by jhow66 | June 18, 2007 2:51 PM |
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Posted on June 18, 2007 14:51
20. Posted by Jumpinjoe | June 18, 2007 2:54 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
82nd Airborne Goes "all the Way" During Operation Achilles
From air assault to medical aid, paratroopers make progress in southern Afghanistan
20. Posted by Jumpinjoe | June 18, 2007 2:54 PM |
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Posted on June 18, 2007 14:54
21. Posted by langtry | June 18, 2007 2:55 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Jumpinjoe:
You're awesome - and so is your son! Happy belated Father's Day, and I'll say a prayer for your son's safe return from Afghanistan.
21. Posted by langtry | June 18, 2007 2:55 PM |
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Posted on June 18, 2007 14:55
22. Posted by BarneyG2000 | June 18, 2007 3:21 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Gee, I wonder what Afghanistan would look like today if poured in$1-Tillion and stationed a force strength 150,000?
And by the way, if we did do that Iraq still would not have WMD.
22. Posted by BarneyG2000 | June 18, 2007 3:21 PM |
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Posted on June 18, 2007 15:21
23. Posted by Veeshir | June 18, 2007 3:27 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
And by the way, if we did do that Iraq still would not have WMD.
There's no need to be so disappointed about that. Iran is working on them so you'll have some enemy of America with WMDs.
23. Posted by Veeshir | June 18, 2007 3:27 PM |
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Posted on June 18, 2007 15:27
24. Posted by Jumpinjoe | June 18, 2007 3:36 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Wow, thank-you. I just got a great e-mail from my son this morning. He is maintaining a great attitude and is staying motivated about doing the job over there.
About two weeks ago he was in his first firefight and the 82nd lost a man during that skirmish. It makes me worry and proud at the same time.
24. Posted by Jumpinjoe | June 18, 2007 3:36 PM |
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Posted on June 18, 2007 15:36
25. Posted by Jumpinjoe | June 18, 2007 3:46 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Logistically it would never happen since the supply ships going into the port of Kabul can only accommodate.....huh, "zero" ships.
Maybe we could have made it work if we put a rapid deployment force in Okinawa.
25. Posted by Jumpinjoe | June 18, 2007 3:46 PM |
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Posted on June 18, 2007 15:46
26. Posted by Ran | June 18, 2007 4:21 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
LOL!.. right on Joe!.. just ask "Redeployment" Murtha
26. Posted by Ran | June 18, 2007 4:21 PM |
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Posted on June 18, 2007 16:21
27. Posted by PeevedGuy | June 18, 2007 4:25 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Isn't this horse dead yet?
27. Posted by PeevedGuy | June 18, 2007 4:25 PM |
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Posted on June 18, 2007 16:25
28. Posted by Ran | June 18, 2007 4:30 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Ok, just for my own edification, would one of you Donks PLEASE explain to me how a war should be executed. As in time frame, amount of damage, money spent, etc. PLEASE don't throw the "BUSH LIED" crap in, just explain your rules for such unpleasant tasks. Or just a "Police Action" would do, right?
28. Posted by Ran | June 18, 2007 4:30 PM |
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Posted on June 18, 2007 16:30
29. Posted by Peter F. | June 18, 2007 5:06 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Direct your anger to the person responsible.
Yes, that would be Osama bin Laden and the many others like him (Saddam, IamWhackJob, Arafat) who started this fight in the first place, you worthless turdburglar.
...which is now using techniques copied from the war in Iraq provided to the insurgency by George W Bush. Thanks George"
BS. Terrorists have been using women and children as human shields for years. Pay attention.
29. Posted by Peter F. | June 18, 2007 5:06 PM |
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Posted on June 18, 2007 17:06
30. Posted by marc | June 18, 2007 5:09 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
civil [mis]behavior:
"Have we lost our collective minds?"
Who's "we", do you have a delusional mouse in your pocket?
30. Posted by marc | June 18, 2007 5:09 PM |
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Posted on June 18, 2007 17:09
31. Posted by steak111111 | June 18, 2007 5:16 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
"would one of you Donks PLEASE explain to me how a war should be executed."
You won't get an answer Ran. Donks only know how to whine and complain. They haven't graduated from the "MOMMY!!!" stage.
31. Posted by steak111111 | June 18, 2007 5:16 PM |
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Posted on June 18, 2007 17:16
32. Posted by steak111111 | June 18, 2007 5:18 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Liberals believe that the terrorists are the good guys and won't complain when they blow up innocent children.
32. Posted by steak111111 | June 18, 2007 5:18 PM |
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Posted on June 18, 2007 17:18
33. Posted by BarneyG2000 | June 18, 2007 8:20 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Did you watch ABC WNT? They broadcasted the graduation ceremony of the latest class of Taliban terrorists.
Bush is allowing open terrorist training camps in Afghanistan.
How do you like that Joe?
33. Posted by BarneyG2000 | June 18, 2007 8:20 PM |
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Posted on June 18, 2007 20:20
34. Posted by Ran | June 18, 2007 8:47 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
"Bush is allowing open terrorist training camps in Afghanistan."
Don't stop there Google.. so is Hairy Reed, and Palushi, right?.. cuz they SURE know all that's going on!
Question is, How do YOU like it?.. Happy are ya?
Yep.. Dems invested in failure 100%
34. Posted by Ran | June 18, 2007 8:47 PM |
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Posted on June 18, 2007 20:47
35. Posted by BarneyG2000 | June 18, 2007 9:22 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
ran, you should read the constitution. The Executive branch calls the shot on executing war and foreign policy.
An yes, the Dems have been deeply critical of Bush's forgotten war.
By the way, according to the report the terrorist are directed to go to America to kill Americans.
35. Posted by BarneyG2000 | June 18, 2007 9:22 PM |
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Posted on June 18, 2007 21:22
36. Posted by Peter F. | June 18, 2007 9:46 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
ran, you should read the constitution. The Executive branch calls the shot on executing war and foreign policy.
Funny how you forget that inconvenient fact when Donks present their non-binding Iraq War resolutions on the floor...
36. Posted by Peter F. | June 18, 2007 9:46 PM |
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Posted on June 18, 2007 21:46
37. Posted by Ran | June 18, 2007 9:49 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Or "The war is lost" comment
37. Posted by Ran | June 18, 2007 9:49 PM |
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Posted on June 18, 2007 21:49
38. Posted by Ran | June 18, 2007 10:33 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Aside from voting FOR IT, have the donks EVER been supportive of this war?.. and why haven't any of them answered my 1st question about war?
38. Posted by Ran | June 18, 2007 10:33 PM |
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Posted on June 18, 2007 22:33
39. Posted by Brian | June 18, 2007 11:17 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
The Donks supported invading Afghanistan, since that's where the people who attacked us were. Only the Phants decided to invade Iraq.
39. Posted by Brian | June 18, 2007 11:17 PM |
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Posted on June 18, 2007 23:17
40. Posted by Peter F. | June 18, 2007 11:35 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
....since that's where the people who attacked us were....
Oh, but what about SA, UAE and the other countries from whence the attackers originated? Hmmm? The conventional wisdom/argument from Donks is that it is those countries where the 9/11 attackers came from, so we should be attacking them.
And goodness knows, those Islamofascists couldn't possibly exist in any other country other than Afghanistan; nor could they possibly have roots or ties to any other countries in the ME.
Oh, and I know, I know....you didn't even imply any of this, so I'm presenting a strawman argument, etc. blah, blah.... And you're right, you didn't say any of this, true. It's just what you didn't say that speaks volumes about your lack of understanding about our enemy.
40. Posted by Peter F. | June 18, 2007 11:35 PM |
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Posted on June 18, 2007 23:35
41. Posted by Ran | June 18, 2007 11:36 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
They didn't vote for force on Iraq?
41. Posted by Ran | June 18, 2007 11:36 PM |
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Posted on June 18, 2007 23:36
42. Posted by LAB | June 18, 2007 11:47 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
"Equally horrific is the fact that the Taliban, AQ and other Islamofacists apparently have no morla issues with using children and others as human shields. It is a barbaric tactic, and until they cease doing so we'll hear about more deaths like these."
Exactly, Peter. The most heartbreaking thing about this is these kids never stood a chance. They were born in a place and circumstance that left them with no sense of security or hope for the future.
42. Posted by LAB | June 18, 2007 11:47 PM |
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Posted on June 18, 2007 23:47
43. Posted by brainy435 | June 19, 2007 12:02 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
"The "graduation" took place on June 9 somewhere in the tribal areas along the border between Afghanistan and Pakistan."
This is the same area they think Bin Laden is hiding out in... read: "In Pakistan."
I thought the dems were against invading other countries...
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/popup?id=3290410&contentIndex=1&page=3
43. Posted by brainy435 | June 19, 2007 12:02 AM |
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Posted on June 19, 2007 00:02
44. Posted by Nicholas | June 19, 2007 6:33 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Bill Roggio has reported on this extensively. NATO has made life so hard for the Taliban operating in Afghanistan that all their bases and training camps have moved into Pakistan (Waziristan and surrounding areas). Musharref can't and/or won't do anything about it (some of both), so despite the occasional hot pursuit over the border by NATO and the occasional Pakistani artillery barrage/helicopter assault, the Taliban operate there with impunity. I would be moderately surprised if the photos and videos we're seeing aren't coming from within Pakistan.
44. Posted by Nicholas | June 19, 2007 6:33 AM |
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Posted on June 19, 2007 06:33
45. Posted by kim | June 19, 2007 8:59 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
There's some ebb and flow of Taliban control of districts, too; recent eastern ebb and southern flow. They are acting like al-Qaeda now, going after police, teachers, the civilizers.
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45. Posted by kim | June 19, 2007 8:59 AM |
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Posted on June 19, 2007 08:59
46. Posted by Ben | June 19, 2007 10:23 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
I think it is disgraceful the way even the "Liberals" conspire to patronize the Taliban and suppress and demean their indigenous culture! I expected this from the Right, but Leftys too? Shame? You call them children! Civilians? In their culture, as the recent Taliban video demonstrates, such Western stereotypes do not exist. We killed young warriors, dressed in the traditional garb of warriors (the fact that this often appears to our Western eyes to closely resemble jeans and a polo shirt is entirely due to our cultural ignorance). Warriors. Any other assumption, given the age and clothing styles which our enemy so frequently presents to us, is nothing more than the cultural imperialism of a material-centric worldview created by dead white European men.
Of course, we cannot allow anyone to dispute a central tenet of their religion- these proud, and now somewhat metabolically impaired warriors now frolic amongst rivers of wine and the endless attentions of young women (unless they were female themselves, in which case the imams have yet to offer us a compelling alternate scenario, but let's not be judgemental!), and who are we to wish to deny them this?
Shame, shame, leftists, if you wish them to go on living lives of poverty and missed opportunities for personal expression and growth, when they could have, for the mere cost of a single bombing run, an eternity in paradise! Have you no concern at all for their indigenous social values?
Ben
46. Posted by Ben | June 19, 2007 10:23 AM |
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Posted on June 19, 2007 10:23
47. Posted by Ran | June 19, 2007 12:16 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Ben......... HUH?
47. Posted by Ran | June 19, 2007 12:16 PM |
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Posted on June 19, 2007 12:16
48. Posted by kim | June 19, 2007 2:20 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
The Hell of it is Ben, those 72 virgins remain so eternally.
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48. Posted by kim | June 19, 2007 2:20 PM |
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Posted on June 19, 2007 14:20
49. Posted by LAB | June 19, 2007 8:31 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Ben says:
"Have you no concern at all for their indigenous social values?"
Hm. That's very compelling. I'd like to add something of "equal" impact.
The liberal scream succeeds beside the void.
49. Posted by LAB | June 19, 2007 8:31 PM |
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Posted on June 19, 2007 20:31
50. Posted by kim | June 20, 2007 9:06 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
The scream has both object and content as a unity; the void. It is no wonder, nor should be a surprise, the attraction to the nihilism of the radical Muslim. Such an extraordinary complement, though.
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50. Posted by kim | June 20, 2007 9:06 AM |
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Posted on June 20, 2007 09:06