"that kind of stuff, turns decent people off."

"Decent people" agree that Bush is the worst thing that could have happened to this country.

Lee the Liar Czar again misses the point. I hope the grown ups show up for this post. ww

Only someone completely ignorant of history could think that Bush or Rumsfeld is some kind of Nazi.

You may not like them for a number of reasons, but to make that comparison only shows how absolutely idiotic you are.

VW

Yes, it does turn off decent people

However, the sad fact is that there are few "decent" democrats left.

JO

Kinda like those "decent" republicans who so easily call democrats traitors ?

When you hypocrites acknowledge that the name-calling is as prevalent on one side as the other, then you'll get some credibility. Till then your partisanship outweighs your credibility.

The holier-than-thou attitude of some from the right is pretty disgusting.

And the more-compassionate-than-thou attitude of the Left has always disgusted me.

And the democrats ARE traitors. When you help out the enemy, you're a traitor.

So your point? Oh, you have none.

Moron.

Ward, in the only poll that counts, Bush received 61 million votes or about 3 million more than your favorite, the communist loving war hero John Fuckamerica Kerry. Ward is saying the majority of the American people are not decent. Go eat some more shit sandwiches Lee. Lee's shining example of decency is W.J. Clinton, a married man, soliciting and receiving oral sex from an intern little more than half his age and suborning perjury from that same intern when the matter was investigated. Decent behavior from the chief executive of this nation. The left has learned from the Nazis, of whom Hitler was the leader the call the opposition names when their argument is weak as it always is when coming from the left.

Hey, JFO, (just f**king off) I understand the terrorists have declared the Democrats as their allies in the war against the United States. You can claim you are not on thier side, but both we and they think your are. The majority rules, you are traitors.

Zelsdorf ^ 5

They don't get it and they never will.

Jo

Your vapid stupidity and hypocrisy never stops does it? And you never fail to demonstrate just how ignorant you are.

I do disagree with our President on immigration and spending. But on the whole, George W. Bush is a good president.

Jo, JFO reponded to your comment on decency by calling you stupid, a hypocrite and ignorant. All in one sentence. This doesn't get any better then this. They can't even see the point of the post. ww

....at...what...point..in time...will Bernie G...and others here, recognize...The Republicans..and those who are card carrying members...admit..
That for 6 years yours was the White House...the Senate..the House...and the Supreme Court..
If those six years are a recognized failure..
(unless of course you discount 9/11..Iraq..etc..)
...how can the blame be placed on a minority??

Just wondering...with the expectations of being in charge...of ...well everything...How is it going?

Really...either everything is better with you folks in charge or it isn't..(yeah maybe the Dems would have screwed up as much...but they were the minority...)

Liberal logic:

JFO disgusted and annoyed by being his party being called traitors.

His country being called evil? His party giving and comfort and aid to the enemy?

No problemo! That's patriotic!

Yeah, makes sense.

Again, moron.

Wildwillie, I know, I know! lol. Too funny.

JFO just proved Goldberg's point. LOLOL

Republican logic.... we kicked ass in 2000...2002..2004...name one part of what we did that was a mistake?

...ok...we dumped Rumsfield acknowledged as the greatest Sec of Defenses ever...but we won in Iraq...
abortion is illegal...no illegal immigrants..no home foreclosures,,,..credit card companies were saved...we pay less for health care insurance..
Republican victories are obvious...

Breathe, nogo.

Firstly... no one but the prescient can recognize failure of foreign or even domestic policy as it happens. People who are *so sure* that Bush has been a foreign policy failure are saying what they think but long before the judgment of History can possibly come to bear.

Now, good on you that the Democrats can claim total inefficacy for six years. Too bad they all sat there getting paid for nothing, huh?

Yes... maybe the Dems would have screwed up just as much. I figure that's pretty much a given, considering what they've been saying we *ought* to do. Though after 9-11 they were on board with the war thing and even before invading Iraq they were on board with the war thing. Maybe if they'd been in power they'd have been invested in making it work instead of trying to make us fail. Maybe they'd have been explaining how the enemy gets a vote. Maybe they'd have been pointing to History and showing how, compared to past wars, this one isn't so bad nor in any way so bleak, instead of playing to the opposition for political bennies.

But we've got JFO up there foaming at the mouth about hypocrisy and saying how the right ought not point out how hateful and entirely insane the left is. Why? Sounds to me like children absolutely refusing to be the first to shape up... and no promise that if the right dons the sack-cloth and ashes that the response will be anything but told-you-so.

Quite apart from anything the right does or doesn't do, the left loses credibility by tolerating the truthers, the Bushitler rhetoric, the incredible hubris and elitism that *doesn't* ever say "maybe the Dems would have screwed up just as much."

Or worse yet, "lets work together to get the best we possibly can out of Iraq."

No. The minority, who couldn't possibly say anything that possibly matters, because they are the minority and no one listens to them, worked against a victory in Iraq... couldn't have paid someone to do better morale work for the enemy. Intent or not, those are facts. And getting the majority in Congress hasn't helped at all. No sudden concern about the results of the rhetoric on the expectations and behavior of the enemy. None.

nogo,

Who said things didn't get better? I think they did. A lot. But more could have been done.

And the right hasn't had the Supreme Court for decades. Not in my lifetime. (I'll give you a clue- just being appointed by a Republican President does not make one right-thinking.)

Plus, the Senate majority didn't come until 2002. And the left was able to keep a lot of the good that could have been done from happening (ever hear of a filibuster?).

You're argument is not so strong if you have to misrepresent many, many facts to make it. (Like Micheal Moore, Al Gore, and the "truthers".)

"that isn't the beginning of a conversation, that ends the conversation"

That's hits the nail on the head.

And I realize that calling you "traitors" is kinda the same thing coming from the right. Maybe "unintentional co-conspirators" would be a better term?

Comparing Bush to Hitler is a straw-man argument...But Bush to Nixon and all their shared dishonesties is fair game.. Bernie Goldberg said, "CBS News is acting the way the Nixon administration did during Watergate. I'm really sad to say that Dan Rather is acting like Richard Nixon. It's the coverup, it's the stonewalling."
Substitute Bush for CBS News and a whole host of issues the Bushies are trying to cover up and stonewall like Gonzales, Iraq or global warming and the comparison is apt and all too familiar.

"Substitute Bush for CBS News and a whole host of issues the Bushies are trying to cover up and stonewall like Gonzales, Iraq or global warming and the comparison is apt and all too familiar."

Only for those who, blinded by thier ideology, lack the ability to separate fact from opinion.

Nogo,
The more folks like yourself who continue to rag on about what an utter disaster George Bush has been as President the more they help to show how incredibly inadequate the opposition had been at being unable to remove this man from office in 2004. It is ashame despite the rantings of folks like yourself, you could not come up with any other citizen in this whole country to defeat him in 2004. The majority of Americans saved you the embarrassment of having to watch John Kerry hold the office of President for 4 years. GWB is leaving office in 2008 unable to run again by constitutional directive. Your dreams of beating him in an election can only be transferred to some surrogate. Easy to criticize but more difficult to offer an alternative. Who would you like to see make it to the White House in 2008???

Lee the Liar Czar again misses the point. I hope the grown ups show up for this post. ww

leeward has to come over here for company. Although the grownups at Wizbang built him his own little sandbox, he's lonely 'cuz hardly anyone will come and play with him.

You know, there's always a few kids in the neighborhood like that - the one's no one wants to play with...

Jo,

You are worse than Hitler.

Here is the leading liberal terrorist apologist: Carter

http://www.captainsquartersblog.com/mt/archives/010287.php

To whom should we compare Bill and Hillary Clinton? What can we say about Reid/Pelosi and their culture of corruption?

Love America Immigrant,

Carter? Now there is an embarrassing presidency. VERY embarrassing. It's funny to watch the dems try to rehabilitate his humiliating reign. I don't think the guy did anything right. If he did, it doesn't come to mind at the moment. Not only that, he continues to be an embarrassment. All the Bush whining in the world won't whitewash that guy.

And if you think the Bush administration is crooked (which he's not) then compare it to the last administration. The Clintons are the biggest crooks to ever set foot in DC. Period.

All the below...just reason and love speech from the Right, right here at Wizbang & right here on Lorie's Bernard Goldberg thread.

"Lee the Liar Czar"
"there are few "decent" democrats left."
"And the democrats ARE traitors. When you
help out the enemy, you're a traitor."
"Go eat some more shit sandwiches Lee"
"The left has learned from the Nazis,"
" I understand the terrorists have declared the Democrats as their allies in the war against the United States."
"you are traitors"
"the minority ... worked against a victory in Iraq.."
"Here is the leading liberal terrorist apologist: Carter"

So John Hawkins & Lorie love to quote Goldberg & lay all the hate at the feet of the Left.

Bwahahahahahahaha...end of conversation

Now, now - Pigs "R" -- these poor chaps are behind in the polls again, and they are assured of losing the battle over the Immigration bill.

Every day the world gets darker and darker for them. They have every reason to be angry.

If the shoe fits....

(oh, and it does)

Leeward, again it was fun to see the polls build up your hopes in 2004, just to see you let down all that much harder.

2004 was fun, and 2008 will be too.

Schadenfreude. It's a beautiful thing. :)

It's not clear to me after reading the Goldberg interview who exactly has said "Bush is Hitler". The quotes are his, so I'm figuring he has a source. Who? Rosie O? A TV talking head has the power to stir up the righty hornet's nest? Wow, stop the presses, now THERE'S a reason to work yourselves up! That's just SO unlike the kind and gentle pundits on the right, right?

Goldberg also references the notorious Bush Derangement Syndrome, the right's default mode for their inability to defend the indefensible, namely the President not wearing any clothes, something that is so obvious to those with the ability to reason who are still concerned and paying attention.

"2004 was fun, and 2008 will be too." Jo

Bwahahahahahahah Where would you like your 2 dozen black roses sent election night 2008?

Lee:

Now, now - Pigs "R" -- these poor chaps are behind in the polls again, and they are assured of losing the battle over the Immigration bill.

"Now, now" - Lee Ward -- if "they are assured losing the battle over the Immigration bill," how do you explain this:

"Allowing illegal workers who arrived in the U.S. to apply for permanent U.S. residency if they return to their home country within eight years and pay additional fines."

the highest number is those "strongly opposed," 35%

"Allowing illegal workers who arrived in the U.S. before January 1st of this year to receive an automatic work visa if they pay a fine of around five thousand dollars."

Again the highest number (by double) 46% strongly oppose.

They only thing "assured" Lee is members of BOTH parties don't have a frickin' clue what the citizens what and are more interested in cutting back-room deals on immigration, with near zero meaningful debate, and foisting a 900 page monstrosity on the public and then make a mad rush to get it passed before the public is none-the-wiser.

Kinda like you Lee, none-the-wiser.

one more time---as the saying goes---polls are like wee wee lee lee wardie--everyone-------snicker snort or is it snort snicker?

Bwahahahahahahah Where would you like your 2 dozen black roses sent election night 2008?

Well, if your right Pigs "Я" U I'd say both the U.S Capital and the White House.

Please, Pigs, explain to me how the Democrats have *not* worked against a victory in Iraq?

Saying absolutely nothing about motivation, America hating, or traitors, simply actions. How have they not worked against victory? How have they not worked to undermine confidence and morale?

And the only reason that the Democrats have an illegal immigration bill they want now is because Bush, with as liberal ideas about what to do about illegal immigration as it's possible to have, didn't get his through. So the Democrats think they will do better? How? Are they going to control our borders?

(If nothing else, Bush is consistent on this. He has always favored liberal reforms pertaining to illegal immigration.)

the highest number is those "strongly opposed," 35%

"Allowing illegal workers who arrived in the U.S. before January 1st of this year to receive an automatic work visa if they pay a fine of around five thousand dollars."

Again the highest number (by double) 46% strongly oppose.

And those who strongly oppose it and in the minority, right?

This isn't bowling where the highest score wins. if the majority do not have strong feelings against the bill -- how do you translate that into defeat?

That doesn't make much sense -- but this is a Wizbang! thread... where sense comes second -- which also means instead of a meaningful answer there will be several comments which consist mainly of BWHHHAHAHAHA and grade school-level jokes about my name -- so fire away.

Still get under your skin don't I wee wee lee lee wardie from the land of bluie. snort snicker
Now tell us something we don't know about you. Like "meanfull answers"-how do we do that to a statement that has no meaning other then you are liars. No wonder they put you over at the bluie site hoping you would stay there. si----no such luck.