But, hey, polls don't matter, right? I mean, the left never discusses Bush's low poll numbers, which only double the Dems'.
-=Mike

Great--Ohio's Govs have gone from bad to worse. I'm surprised that the Dispatch had nothing to say, as it tends to lean to the right. The other papers, no surprise at the silence.

I guess the Ohio papers are too worried about someone smoking outside within 30.2938 m of a door to care about a little thing like this.

Oops, wrong thread for above. Will repost in correct one.

This poll's dipped to its lowest recently, from 19% to 14%, in large part because Republicans have become pissed off at their representatives over the last 3-4 weeks over the Immigration bill.

But you knuckleheads go ahead and prattle on about this reflecting poorly on the Democrats. The fact is, if you factored out the pissed off Repubs due to the immigration issue Congress ranks only slightly better than the Oct 2006 Republican Congress. What's changed isn't that people are pissed off at the Dems, it's that they are recently increasingly pissed off the Republicans who support the immigration bill.

But don't let reality get in the way of a good old fashioned Democrat-bashing circle. Party on.

This has a lot to do with the immigration bill that both sides of the isle attempted to cram down our throats. Their "hurry up and get it done" attitude certainly backfired.

Also our "change in direction" democratic control of the house has been nothing but a Moo-von.org bunch of pansies catering to the far left loonies that are still hell bent on comfirming their BDS.

The "culture of corruption" continues unchecked and no one on either side cares to clean it up.

Did I mention that Reid and Pelosi are the biggest jokes to come along since Amos and Andy.

And this is what we call leadership?

Lee - it reflects badly for ALL of them. Unless you somehow think the drop isn't evenly split, the 19% approval rating BEFORE that damnable Amnesty bill was pretty dismal.

Let's see - if half of 19% is 9.5%, round up to 10% - and the drop to 14% is ONLY due to lots of Republicans getting pissed off, then the Democrats were at...

10%.

Um.

Even if they didn't lose any support, 10% is not good.

But maybe it wasn't an even split - let's figure the 19% was strictly of Democrats who approved of what was going on... in which case...

They pissed off 5% of their remaining base. And they're now down to 14%.

Figure there's a hard-core ignorant 5-7% on either side that'll vote for their party no matter what it does - and you've got the base.

No matter how you cut the numbers - it's not good. Both sides need to get some new ideas, and fast.

What's changed isn't that people are pissed off at the Dems, it's that they are recently increasingly pissed off the Republicans who support the immigration bill.

Lee, Republicans would support this bill if we could trust our "leaders" to put border inforcement the number one priority, but they just don't seem to get that.

Identify and register all that are here illegally should be the next step. A path to eventual citizenship is fine, but the free flow across the boarder has got to stop.

If the democrats were worth anything (and they aren't) they would have no problem pushing bills through to the president's desk. Don't blame republicans for what YOUR Democrat congress is doing. There are some that have a hand like McCain, but the Democrats control congress and they take ownership of everything that happens there. The dems gave the republicans ownership of the issues when the republicans were in charge, so it's time for the democrats to take ownership of their failures and mismanagement in congress.

funny how democrats will pin things on republicans all day but when they screw up... ehh... i mean they need to pin it on the republicans!!

There is no accountability in the democrat party and they will not take a strong position on anything other than against bush...

Amazing how vocal the left was when Bush's numbers got down to 32%, but the crickets are chirping on this one.

You Ward have shown your true colors, like anything is true about you. I have to ask you Lee. Are the Democrats ever going to take responsibity for anything? In the system you desire, a person like you would be sent to reeducation camp. You are too fucking stupid to undertand your leader are but a farse. Lee has believed the lies told him by his instructers so long that me makes excuses for their every failure. Pelosi and Reid are a sham when it comes to leadership. Any political leader who must consult with Markos is a fraud. Markos should be inprisoned for the lies he spreads. We are not talking about free speech, we are talking about pure prevaricaion. It is costing lives and the left is responsible.

Confidence in government. Let's see, we have an x president from the 70's that was a failure then and is still running around helping every enemy of freedom around the world. Dimmy, shut up or die, either will do.

We have an x president from the 90's that no self respecting parent would trust out of they're sight with one of their children, either sex.

We have new leadership in congress that promised the most ethical congress in history the is for a fact the most unethical and corrupt congress in history. Five months have been a comedy but an eye opener.

We have a president wannabe that is on tape comitting several felonies and a judicial system that won't hold her responsible. Can anyone guess who this career criminal is?

We have another known criminal president wannabe that has a history of crime but thinks he should be elected POTUS simply because he's black. I think he's a con man in line with Jack$on and $harpton, just better educated.

We have a justice department that has turned a blind eye to dozens of cases of outright treason by members of the US Congress, but stands by and lets an idiot convict someone when no underlying crime was there to convict anyone of anything. Trust the justice system, the Duke sports team did and it cost them 18 months of hell at the hands of a political hack.

Trust the government to protect us when all they have in mind is flooding the country with criminal aliens for cheap labor in businesses owned by the same leaders or their contributors.

Buy a gun, buy several guns. You will need them in the near future to protect yourself and your family. The government is so corrupt there is no way to trust them with anything. That's why the democrats follow the left wing communist drive to take your guns away. They know eventually they have to and will be turned on them with deadly results. An armed person is a free citizen, and unarmed person is a slave to government.

Make your choice, you will live or die by it.

There was reported to be some confusion with the poll. The 14 was actually what the respondents guessed the average IQ of the Congress was.

Well, Scrapiron -- you said it for me. I'm a young conservative/husband/dad... and I fear for the country (let's not even get into the world...) that my kids will be inheriting. "Buy a gun, buy several guns..." -- way ahead of you. Thankfully we're not there yet. Google "window war" and check out the fiction story that's the first hit; as the point of that story illustrates, there are (thankfully) many rungs on the reform ladder before we get to outright watering ye old tree of liberty.

What gives me chills is the subtle turning of the tide I sense -- the quietly building realization that the train is indeed off the tracks. This poll is but one more signpost that the mostly-silent yet *enormous* majority is awakening to the realization that our country is in need of triage. So on that note, Sen. Lott: talk radio doesn't run America. Talk radio is *the voice* of America. It might be a good idea to start listening a bit more closely...

The poll didn't reference the immigration bill, so Lee, as usual, interjects a non sequitur.

If I had a nickel for every such Lee non sequitur, I'd be richer than Nancy Pelosi's winery operations staffed by illegals, and Harry Reid's illicit real estate acquisitions.

How do you get rich in Congress on a $150k salary? Become a Reid-Pelosi-Jefferson Democrat politician.

And there's your reason for the low poll numbers.

14%?????? After the big so called democrat mandate shift in 2006???

Bwahahahahahahahahah.....LOVE IT!!!!

P.S. I guess the Honeymoon is over...or did they even have one?

LOL

You forgot Mulhollan of West Virginia. With no visible means of earning it, his net worth went from under $250,000 to over $6 million in very short order, thanks to the friends he favored with earmarks.

And John Murtha, the "unindicted co-conspirator" from ABSCAM, because he ratted out others.

Don't forget DiFi sitting in judgment of contracts awarded to her husband.

Pity . . . so much Democratic corruption, so little time . . .

Lee ~ try a Midol. Bill Cosby says it works! Headache gone, you'll feel great. Maybe get a little irritable every 28 days, but who's counting?

But you knuckleheads go ahead and prattle on about this reflecting poorly on the Democrats. The fact is, if you factored out the pissed off Repubs due to the immigration issue Congress ranks only slightly better than the Oct 2006 Republican Congress. What's changed isn't that people are pissed off at the Dems, it's that they are recently increasingly pissed off the Republicans who support the immigration bill.

Don't you get vertigo with all that dervish-like spinning you do?

it's that they are recently increasingly pissed off the Republicans who support the immigration bill.

Right, because Democrats had no part in the creation of this piece of trash. Nevermind that Reid is the official sponsor of the bill, and Kennedy's name is stamped all over it. (as well as Kyl's, McCain-quelle surprise--and Graham, they get to share the blame too), with further involvement from such outstanding Republicans as Diane Feinstein and Ken Salazar.

No, sorry, pal, neither side gets to point the finger at the other--both parties are complicit to this garbage in the Senate. I suspect, and hope, that the House dumps this thing down the toilet where it belongs.

There was reported to be some confusion with the poll. The 14 was actually what the respondents guessed the average IQ of the Congress was.

And they were being charitable.

Lee:

The fact is, if you factored out the pissed off Repubs due to the immigration issue Congress ranks only slightly better than the Oct 2006 Republican Congress.

Lee if we are knuckleheads for noting this poll what does the subtitle from the poll say about you, does it make you a chucklehead for not reading "Democrats, Republicans now almost equally likely to disapprove of Congress."

Or does it make you a lying piece of shit who tossed a comment out based on preconceived notion rather than clicking thru to the poll?

And then there is this part:

"The decline has been most evident among Democrats, whose ratings of Congress now match those of Republicans."

And this part:

After the Democrats assumed power, rank-and-file Democrats became more likely than independents or Republicans to approve of Congress.

After the Democrats assumed power, rank-and-file Democrats became more likely than independents or Republicans to approve of Congress. Democrats' ratings have gradually declined in the past few months, falling from 43% in April to 37% in May and to 29% this month.

Lee, you're so full of shit your eyes are brown.

But you knuckleheads go ahead and prattle on about this reflecting poorly on the Democrats.

Posted by: Lee Ward at June 20, 2007 10:39 PM

So, I guess you'll also blame this on Republicans being pissed off?

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid is now viewed favorably by 19% of American voters and unfavorably by 45%. Just 3% have a Very Favorable opinion while 22% hold a Very Unfavorable views.

Reality is, I've held a very unfavorably view of Dingy "Pipsqueak" Reid for years. So, who is in fact tanking his numbers now?

P.S. I guess the Honeymoon is over...or did they even have one?

Yeah, there was a honeymoon. It's called screwing us.

Did we get kissed? If so, I missed that part.

This gift is priceless. Where is JP2, SC, Pigs, and the rest of the liberal whiners who live and die by the polls? At least Lee the Poll King commented once, then hid. ww

At least Lee the Poll King commented once, then hid

You were expecting better WW?

Criminals on occasion return to the scene of their crimes, Fools never do. Especially when it's definitively proven what he claimed was a lie.

They pass the immigration bill and they will see single digit approval ratings. Not that the bill is good or bad - it just does not address the real concerns of the American people - secure our borders.

At least Lee the Poll King commented once, then hid

You were expecting better WW?

leeward scurried back over to Wizbang Blues to see if anyone has left a comment, or to respond to one of the other Blues contributors responding to another Blues contributor, either agreeing with one another, or congratulating each other on their insight and wisdom.

Don't worry dudes, the libs won't come back to this thread.

14% of America approve of Congress, and they think it's the Republicans (that Lee keeps saying are dwindling in number). So if Republicans are only like 30% like he thinks, and if ALL of them disapprove of Congress, that is still 56% "others" that disapprove.

Dems have disaster on their hands while walking with Peolosi, enjoying the view with their rose colored glasses.

Lee is amazing, isn't he?

Like Jay, I don't like polls. I don't trust them and even more, I don't use them to confirm my own leanings because of my openly proclaimed distrust the inevitable cries of hypocrisy that would follow regardless of how pinpoint accurate they are.

But ... this is interesting nonetheless. Even if these numbers are merely close to reflecting true public opinion (which can only be determined if everyone was polled and IF the questions are not in the least misleading or convoluted) it's still dismal.

If anyone thinks that those politicians fully entrenched in their position on the issues will change their views accordingly, they're dreaming. But if the polls were favorable they wouldn't hesitate to use them to confirm their actions.

They really ought to be sitting at the round table right now discussing what they can do to earn our trust and respect.

But they won't.

And another poll out say that newsrooms in the MSM give more to dem candidates then republicans. 9 to 1. Of course the MSM isn't biased. ww

Lee Ward,

Since 80% of people across the political spectrum are against the Democrat immigration bill, it stands to reason that there are quite a few Democrats pissed off at their representatives as well as Republicans. Nice spin though.

In order to get Congress approval ratings up, I think the pollsters need to relook their questions. It would be easier than trying to reform Congress.

They could ask...

Do you have confidence in Congress to screw up soup sandwich? Substitute Wet Dream for our blue collar freinds.

Do you have confidence in Congress stealing as much as they possibly can?

Do you have confidence that Congress is only interested in representing special interest groups and large money donors?

Do you have confidence that Congress is planning to bi-partiansly screw U.S. voters?

Lee,

Fact: Pretty much all of the Democrats support the crappy immigration bill.

Fact: Only a handful of Republicans support it and in fact the Republicans were the party that is blocking it's passage.

So in your fabricated reality the low poll numbers are because the public is only pissed off at a handfull of Republicans, but totally happy with all the Democrats who support it?

I get it Lee, its not so much that you're stupid or a socialist religious fanatic, you're just reality challenged.

Nice try at spinning though...

Actually I doubt Lee is bright enough to have come up with that ridiculous spin on his own. He just went over to Kos, DU, or HuffPo and then came back and repeated what they told him to think.

Best "non post" by wee wee lee lee wardie yet! Can't you just see him crawling around on his hands and knees trying to find something to get his foot out of his mouth. LOL Hey wee wee, try PrepH. snicker snort

Confidence in Congress at All Time Low...

because they caved and agreed to co-sponsor "the summer of senseless death" (now playing in a desert near you), whereupon we pretend that we can bring stability to Iraq, by supporting a shadow of a government their that has no power. And that the many bloody factions in Iraq can be reduced to Al-Queda...

This is the same act that's been going on for years. The new element: the Democratic Congress has signed on in support...while mouthing opposition.

You'll notice that the president and his bloody war of choice isn't too popular either...

Jeff Blogworthy,

Your post represents why the republican party is in such trouble. You said

Since 80% of people across the political spectrum are against the Democrat immigration bill

If this bill becomes law it will be because of (republican) politicians and a signature by a (republican) president.

Calling it a democrat immigration bill was Nice spin though.

The republican politicians continued habit of poking sticks into the eye of their conservative base is why they lost congress in 2006. If they don't stop shafting their conservative base they are going to continue to suffer losses.

Please no one respond with the tired old saw that "well the democrats would be worse".

If that is the only argument for supporting republican politicians it clearly shows just how pathetic the republican politicians are.

LeeWard posted the following lie:

This poll's dipped to its lowest recently, from 19% to 14%, in large part because Republicans have become pissed off at their representatives over the last 3-4 weeks over the Immigration bill.

And then, there's the truth...

Democrats' ratings have gradually declined in the past few months, falling from 43% in April to 37% in May and to 29% this month. At the same time, Republicans' ratings have held fairly stable, in the mid-20% range. Independents' ratings have also declined over this period of time.

www.galluppoll.com/content/default.aspx?ci=27937

LeeWard is once again exposed for his lies. Run, Lee!

It is a Dim. bill; they control the Senate, and it got some traction until the "Proletariat" saw that their masters were pulling a fast one.

By the way, I'm pretty sure most Dims. are against the bill, due not only to the 80% against figure, but think about it--two of the largest Dim. groups are blacks and union members.

Well. the union bosses just came out today against the bill, and blacks are notoriously anti-immigrant,and anti-hispanic, since they see a competitor for status as "Minority in Chief."

Lee, you are wearing no clothes, not even the panties you borrowed from you Mommy's drawer.

Mitchell said

It is a Dim. bill; they control the Senate, and it got some traction until the "Proletariat" saw that their masters were pulling a fast one.

Furthermore, after the bill was killed on the first vote republican president bush brought it back to life. Saying it is a dim bill is stunningly naive.

The tax cuts would have been permanent if bush had put half the effort into getting it passed as he has put into passing the immigration bill

You mean the McCain (republican) Kennedy (D) immigration bill. The one that was dead until it was reanimated by president bush (republican) and is being driven forward by lott (republican) , kyl (republican) and mcconell (republican). The one that gramm (republican) and lott (republican) both insulted their base over.

If this bill becomes law it will be because of (republican) politicians and a signature by a (republican) president.

Nice try.

On the cloture motion for the immigration travesty... err... bill, there were SIX Republicans voting Aye. The other 39 aye votes were cast by members of the Party of the Donkey.

Not a Democrat bill? Tell that to those 39 senators.

It's a Dim. bill, but it also has some Republican support, and support from Bush.

Who's naive. A bill doesn't get to the floor unless Harry "Dishrag" Reid says it does. The "Lion of the Senate" is the bill's champion; you might recall Sen. Kennedy is a Dim. Ahem.

I would venture to say that it's a Donkey Party bill being stupidly supported by a few RINOs.

I believe that TJIT has it right about the Republican influence in the immigration bill. But take note: when the Republicans were in the majority the libs blame them. When the Dems are in the majority the libs complain about the Republicans because the Democrats can't assume their majority roll nor want to be responsible for it. What losers.

Precisely, Dave. No matter what bad thing happens, it's the fault of the Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeevil Wepubwicans!

Well, when the voters put Democrats in control of both houses to oppose Bush and put a stop to the insanity in Iraq, and the Democrats back away from even the pretense of deadlines, the voters get pissed off.

And they should. The Democrats in the Senate have let us all down here.

Democrats pledged to take Congress in a new direction when it won control in November 2006, but less than six months after taking the reins, Americans aren't pleased with the results, giving lawmakers an all-time low public confidence rating.

So yes, approval of Congress is at an all time low. I also disapprove of their work. But let's be clear... the reason the approval rating is so low is because Congress has not done enough to oppose Bush and Republicans. Americans are unhappy that people like you still have influence over the direction of the country. So yes, we can all agree that Congress sucks. But if I were a Republican, I wouldn't take any pleasure from that right now.

I hear Filthy Harry Reid's popularity numbers are closing in on ZERO. So, he's got that going for him. I'm guessing "Stretch" Pelosi and Murtha and all the other morons are heading down to the basement as well.

Republicans suck.

the reason the approval rating is so low is because Congress has not done enough to oppose Bush and Republicans.

Okay, I'll play your game. I hereby call on all the Democrats in Congress to pass bills demanding an end to the war in Iraq. I [b]demand[/b] that they cut off all funding for the troops [i]immediately[/i] and not restore it until Chimpy resigns... even funding for stateside troops, because you know Bushitler will just send them over if he has to.

Do ya really think that's gonna win the admiration of the American public?

Puh-leeze.

Note for the humor-deprived. The above comment is meant mostly in jest.

If you cannot tell which parts are in jest and which are not, please seek professional help.

Do ya really think that's gonna win the admiration of the American public?

No, because your suggestions are not what anyone is asking for. Are you stupid?

Okay, Bryan, why don't you explain what sort of opposition to Bush and the GOP you want?

I anticipate an echoing silence or a lot of spin, because that's precisely what's been happening already, and what I parodied above.

Oh, just so you comprehend the meaning of a word I used above, here's a good, nonpartisan description of "Parody."

Americans want us out of Iraq. They want healthcare for all Americans. They want an end to torture and secret prisons and suspension of habeas corpus. They are tired of slimy politicians saying "just give us 6 more months" of bloodshed in Iraq and they'll turn it around. They are tired of slimy politicians saying things like "of course, we still need to get a warrant. Nothing's changed"...and then continue warrantless wiretapping. They're sick of hearing "if you're not with us, you're against us" - the old Joseph McCarthy tactic. They're angry at hearing politicians say "Americans don't torture" and finding that this, too, has been a lie.

They're tired of being ignored by the right and let down by the left on the MAJORITY's positions on nearly all the issues.

This is no victory for Republicans. Bush is VERY UNPOPULAR. His war is VERY UNPOPULAR. Most of his positions are VERY UNPOPULAR.

And the Dems have been weak in opposing him...and that has made them VERY UNPOPULAR.

Okay, Publicus, I'll throw you the same question that apparently silenced Bryan.

What would you like to see the Party of the Donkey do in Congress?

Somewhat related, but not directly, a new poll in Newsweek finds Bush's approval rating at 26%, BELOW CARTER'S ALL-TIME LOWEST APPROVAL OF 28%.

Read it & weep, all you CDS sufferers here at Wizbang.

that apparently silenced Bryan

First of all, it's Brian, you twit. Secondly, if you're upset that I spent three hours living my life instead of responding to your inane question, get over it.

Okay, Publicus, I'll throw you the same question

He answered your question, even before you threw it to him. You're apparently stupid and illiterate.

Oh, just so you comprehend the meaning of a word I used above, here's a good, nonpartisan description of "Parody."

So your question was a "parody"? Of what? A good solid plan for withdrawal? So if you know what a good solid plan for withdrawal looks like, then why the hell are you inventing stupid questions?

Let me give you a hint. The same percentage of mainstream America that demands cutting off funding for the troops immediately is equal to the percentage that demands that Bush achieve victory immediately.

And feel free to take your time responding. I won't be sitting here with my tongue hanging out waiting for your response.

"all you CDS sufferers here at Wizbang"

Hey PIG "U" R, There is is a book called "Bankrupt" by David Limbaugh. Read it stupid.

"The INTELLECTUAL and moral bankruptcy of todays democratic party.

You bed wetters cannot even come up with any origional thought can you? "CDS"?

I see a lot of spin, just as I predicted, Bryan.

Tell me specifically what you want the bills that the Dems pass to say. And I mean specifically, not just "challenge Bush more."

Oh, I'm sorry, I see the problem. You're not stupid, you're just mentally challenged. How else could one explain that when provided with some of the specifics you keep crying for, you just keep shouting "La la la spin! I want specifics! La la la!"

If you can't be bothered to read, then don't bother writing.

Gee, Brian, that post you refer to was written by someone called Publicus. Is that your sock-puppet? Did you forget to sign back in as yourself?

I asked you for specifics, twice, and all you can do is toss around insults and point me to other people's posts?

Give us all a break, go back to Blue.

OK...

Americans want us out of Iraq. They want healthcare for all Americans. They want an end to torture and secret prisons and suspension of habeas corpus. They are tired of slimy politicians saying "just give us 6 more months" of bloodshed in Iraq and they'll turn it around. They are tired of slimy politicians saying things like "of course, we still need to get a warrant. Nothing's changed"...and then continue warrantless wiretapping. They're sick of hearing "if you're not with us, you're against us" - the old Joseph McCarthy tactic. They're angry at hearing politicians say "Americans don't torture" and finding that this, too, has been a lie.

Happy now?

Gee, thanks, Bryan. You proved that all you can do is parrot others. Marvelous! I'm gonna save that post in my bookmarks so I can prove that you do parrot what others say!

Now, how about specifics about those statements?

Americans want us out of Iraq. How? Immediate pullout? Gradual slow-bleed? Cut off funding? Surrender to al-Qaeda? HOW SHOULD WE DO IT, O GREAT AND WISE BRYAN?

They want healthcare for all Americans. Again, how? Single-payer, like Canada and the UK are moving away from? Force everyone to buy private insurance? HOW SHOULD WE DO IT, O GREAT AND WISE BRYAN?

They want an end to torture and secret prisons and suspension of habeas corpus. HOW SHOULD WE DO IT, O GREAT AND WISE BRYAN?

The rest are not policy statements at all, just insults about politicians... which would include Democrats. Especially the sleazy ones like the guy that got caught with $90,000 in bribe money in his freezer.

I expected that you would mock the manner in which your question was answered, rather than acknowledge that it was. Multiple times. Since that's consistent with your previous comments, I won't dwell on it.

And I'm not going to recount for you the various suggestions offered of how to gradually reduce our forces over the next year and save American lives since you're apparently too lazy or disingenuous to recognize anything but the One True Way of Bush's plan, and you're content to deny that there are any other options.

If you want to debate the merits of any particular plan for Iraq or health care, there are other threads that accomplish that quite nicely. But I'm content to expose your lies that no other alternatives exist other than what is currently in place. I assume that if your car was heading towards a cliff, you would stay the course and mock your passenger who was screaming at you to turn the car. I imagine it would go something like WHICH WAY SHOULD I TURN, O GREAT AND WISE PASSENGER? I can picture you lying in the smoldering wreckage hysterically shouting that "things are getting better!"

See, no specifics.

And there's a reason he's not giving specifics on the Iraq proposals, ladies and gentlemen: all those options have already been tried by the Democrats in Congress, which is probably a leading reason their approval rating is in the tank.

Ya know what, Brian? I really hope the Donkeys DO keep trying to pass bills to pull troops out of Iraq, and all your other (ahem) parroted list of goodies. Because every single time the lefties show their true lefty colors, the American people stop supporting them, leading to electoral defeat.

I've said it before, and I will say it again: History shows that when Dems are painted as rabid anti-war lefties, the don't get to sit in the Oval Office. Look up how many Dems won the Presidency since the end of Vietnam: TWO. One of those was because Nixon was an idiot, the other was because Reagan had won the cold war so the left's vehement hatred of the military didn't seem to be an issue.

Guess what. Supporting the military is an issue again. And we don't mean "supporting" them by bringing them home, we mean give them the tools to get the job done, to paraphrase Churchill.

So, if you REALLY want the car to drive off the cliff, Brian, go right ahead and push the wheel further and further to the left. Here, I'll even help you destroy the Democratic party. Whatever replaces it HAS to be better, it can't be any worse!