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Their significance is petering out

I just finished listening to the latest entry in Katie Couric's Staff's Notebook, and it was a big wet sloppy kiss for Jimmy Carter. (I listen to "America In The Morning," and they now carry Katie Couric's Staff's Notebook.)

Jimmy Carter. Is he still alive? He must be -- I think I would have remembered his funeral. I remember the public observances of the passing of Presidents Ford, Reagan, and Nixon; I doubt I would have missed Jimmuh's.

Carter's latest asshattery (of which examples are legion) is his blasting Europe, the US, and the rest of the world for not embracing Hamas.

Hamas, as you might recall, is the Islamist terrorist group that won the last round of elections in the Palestinian territories. Since then, they've launched attacks on Israel, engineered a bloody coup against Fatah in Gaza, and even massacred Palestinian civilians trying to flee into Israel.

Some of the highlights of their conquest of Gaza involved shooting people in the streets, tossing them off buildings, and other carnage.

But all that is irrelevant to Jimmuh. What matters is that Hamas won an ELECTION, one he helped oversee. And once someone has a Carter-certified ELECTION, then they can do no wrong and those who don't embrace the winners are just showing how racist they are, and how much they hate democracy.

Someone needs to give Jimmuh a bit of a history lesson. One of Hamas' biggest backers is Iran -- that's the same Iran that can lay claim to a healthy portion of the credit for Jimmuh being a one-term president. Yes, Reagan was a juggernaut who would most likely have steamrollered over Jimmuh anyway, and Jimmuh himself deserves a healthy portion of the credit for his loss, but the mullahs in Iran helped tremendously.

I guess he's forgiven them for that.

So we have a vapid (but perky) twit cheering on a superannuated twit who is trying to desperately to redeem his image as a has-been, but instead rapidly converting himself into a never-was.

Katie Couric and Jimmuh Carter. Could there be two people who better embody the Peter Principle?


Comments (98)

pretty much sums it up how ... (Below threshold)
yo:
The truly scary part was wh... (Below threshold)
Ben:

The truly scary part was when he praised them for their defeat of Fatah forces, implying that since they had demonstrated their "superior skills and discipline." they were naturally the better rulers.

Whoa. Whoa. Think about that. Did I miss something, or did Carter just endorse the very concept of military dictatorship?

Ben

The arguments are strong wh... (Below threshold)
nehemiah:

The arguments are strong when one says that Carter was the worst president in history. He is also the worst ex-president in history. He is also not a fundamental Christian.

One story about Carter. He did much pleading for over a year to get the American hostages in Iran released. They basically just ignored him. On the day of Reagan's inauguration, the Iranians did not mess around. They did not take ANY chance with Reagan. They released all the hostages on the day of the Reagan inauguration. What a wonderful photo op ensued for Reagan (welcoming the hostages home). Did Reagan take it? No. Instead, Reagan offered Carter the opportunity to welcome the hostages home. And Carter snatched it like a mouse does a chunk of Mozzarella.

To call Carter a twit is a ... (Below threshold)
Robert the original:

To call Carter a twit is a complement indeed.

I'm not sure I'm ready to go that high.

Reagan offered Carter th... (Below threshold)
Who's John Galt?:

Reagan offered Carter the opportunity to welcome the hostages home.

What a stark contrast between two former presidents. Of course, Jimmah wasn't even relevant when he was president.

Jimmy Carter is brain dead,... (Below threshold)
Matt:

Jimmy Carter is brain dead, but his heart keeps on bleeding. He could be the poster-child (elderly?) for functional dementia.

Yo-"pretty much... (Below threshold)
Pigs "Я" U:

Yo-

"pretty much sums it up how we got to where we are:"

Your J Post link was from Michael D Evans, one of your right-wing crackpot evangelists who is waiting for Armageddon. What a crock of shit from an asshole who is waiting for the 2nd coming & anticipating the Israeli fulfillment of the preconditions for it!

Yeah, I'd take what Evans has to say & bury it under a pile of shit, where it belongs.

Obviously Carter was right ... (Below threshold)

Obviously Carter was right about Bush being an idiot for not acting on the Palestinian prmise for peace, or else the right wing blogosphere wouldn't be so set on smearing Carter.

Wow, reality just keeps handing brass rings to the Democrats time after time after time... No wonder fewer and fewer people are calling themselves "Republicans" -- who wants to be associated with that clown circus of fools!

"Peace" to Palestinians mea... (Below threshold)
nehemiah:

"Peace" to Palestinians means eliminating the existence of Israel.

Israel has dragged us into ... (Below threshold)

Israel has dragged us into their problems. Why we back Israel, I don't know. I would side with Palestine over Israel any day. If I had my way we would stop helping Israel in any way including giving them arms.

Hey Lee, was that the "prom... (Below threshold)
geobandy:

Hey Lee, was that the "promise of peace" before they stopped sending suicide bombers to pizza shops and hospitals and firing rockets at civilian targets or the "promise of peace" after they stopped sending suicide bombers and firing rockets ... oh, wait, never mind.

Genesis 12:2,3A... (Below threshold)
nehemiah:

Genesis 12:2,3

And I will make of thee (Abraham) a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thous shalt be a blessing.:
And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.

Who is the more worthless h... (Below threshold)
Gianni:

Who is the more worthless human being based in Georgia, Jimmah Carter, or Michael Vick?

"Hey Lee, was that the "... (Below threshold)
Lee Ward:

"Hey Lee, was that the "promise of peace" before they stopped sending suicide bombers to pizza shops".

You'd have to ask President Bush exactly what he meant by his repeated claims that he's made that he is working on a Palestinian solution. He's referred to his great initiatives in most if not all of his state of the union addresses

All I know is he failed miserably, accomplished nothing, and let this situation go unchecked so long that we now have today's situation instead.

Carter was right. Even Clinton, in between blow jobs, got a lot more accomplished in the middle east. Bushco has only screwed things up -- royally.

Lee,Even for you, ... (Below threshold)
nehemiah:

Lee,

Even for you, I've never seen this level of intellectual dishonesty before. Your blaming the situation in the Middle East on President Bush and not the Palestinians is outrageous.

That's like blaming people with broken arms for the serial murders committed by Ted Bundy (he used a fake cast to lure victims).

Ignore Lee, he's just tryin... (Below threshold)
Kat:

Ignore Lee, he's just trying to get a reader over there at Blue.

"Your blaming the situat... (Below threshold)
Lee Ward:

"Your blaming the situation in the Middle East on President Bush and not the Palestinians is outrageous."

No, I'm pointing out Bush's failures over the last 6 years to do ANYTHING that REMOTELY resembled an effort to find a solution. In comparison nto Carter and Clinton, Bushco failed big-time.

They released all the ho... (Below threshold)
Steve Crickmore:

They released all the hostages on the day of the Reagan inauguration.
A joke making the rounds of Washington went: "What's three feet deep and glows in the dark? Teheran ten minutes after Ronald Reagan becomes President."
In the mid-1980s, many of the same October Surprise actors became figures in the Iran-Contra scandal when that secret arms-for-hostages scheme with Iran was revealed in late 1986, despite White House denials and a determined cover-up. (and many are still with us today in the Bush administration like Robert Gates)

Yeah, Clinton was so succes... (Below threshold)
geobandy:

Yeah, Clinton was so successful that Arafat walked out of the Camp David meetings and began planning for the second intifada, which was launched that fall. At least, that's what Arafat's cronies have always claimed.

No, Lee, you started out saying:

"Obviously Carter was right about Bush being an idiot for not acting on the Palestinian prmise for peace"

I asked, in an admittedly snarky manner, what "promise for peace" did they make, for ignoring which Carter rightly called Bush an idiot?

I'd still like an actual answer, instead of the usual fact-free Bush-bashing empty rhetoric.

Jimmy Carter has been dead ... (Below threshold)
Sue:

Jimmy Carter has been dead a long, long time. He just refuses to believe it. Only someone with a dead brain could say the things he does. Certainly, he is an American communist, socialist and anarchist.

Posted by: Pigs "Я" U at Ju... (Below threshold)
yo:

Posted by: Pigs "Я" U at June 20,Posted by: Pigs "Я" U at June 20, 2007 12:05 PM 2007 12:05 PM

Agreed on the criticism of the author, but the facts are facts.

So Lee,"let thi... (Below threshold)
nehemiah:

So Lee,

"let this situation go unchecked so long that we now have today's situation instead."

to me seems that you are blaming Bush. Are we dealing with termites? Palestinians are people. They need to stop bombing Israel when they don't get their way, whether some leader in the U.S. does something or not. Also, the situation there is not static. What may have been relatively peaceful 10 years ago may not be so today, regardless of who the president of the U.S. happens to be.

Yo, I am surprised you feel... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

Yo, I am surprised you feel a need to agree with Pigs with his vile rant on an evangilist. You must be a hater for haters sake. The appropriate reply would be: JT, can you please ban Pigs? He adds nothing except demonstrate his use of expletives. ww

Steve Crickmore,Wh... (Below threshold)
nehemiah:

Steve Crickmore,

What was the "scandal". Was trying to overthrow a corrupt communist in Daniel Ortega what is upsetting you? Don't make liberal talking point accusations here about Reagan, take them to DKos. By the way (and not that the Iran Contra deal was wrong), what does that affair have exactly to do with the release of hostages in 1980? Can you demonstrate anything factual and not some stupid liberal conspiracy theory?

"Genesis 12:2,3And I... (Below threshold)
bryanD:

"Genesis 12:2,3
And I will make of thee (Abraham) a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thous shalt be a blessing.:
And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.
Posted by: nehemiah"

You're making a common mistake. Confusing the nation of "Israel" with the Children of Israel.

Only 3 of the 12 tribes are represented in modern Israel: Judah, Benjamin and Levi. Not that they're irrelevent, but the Jews (above, named for the largest of the 3 tribes, Judah) are a "stiff-necked" people, covered, but not in accord with God's Orders of the Day. (They will be taught: see Millineum) Ex: The Temple is obsolete, and their refusal of the Messiah in favor of a new David. Plus the pollution of the priesthood of the second temple by the sons of Cain (as "singers" and "scribes") as described in Ezra and Nehemiah (after the naming and numbering of the tribal elders, there are mentioned Others with no specifics as to pedigree; a big no-no).

Look for a clue to the identity of the rest of "israel" or of the "Lost tribes" of the Hebrews by following Saxon (Isaac's Sons) migration throughout Europe. Basically follow the Cross on Banner. There you will find Saxon influence begetting the Western Tradition of self determination, abolition of slavery, womens' rights, etc. etc. which has enlightened the world. AND founded the Jewish homeland!

Beware of false etymologies of the Encyclopedists and higher critics of the 18th century who worked to obscure this pedigree. The proof holds up anyway: see Jacob's Pillar aka Stone of Scone on which the English sovereign is crowned, stolen from the Scots who recieved it from the exiled daughters of Israel's last king, Zedekiah. Or see Denmark = Danmark= land of (the tribe of) Dan (a "lost tribe").

The most obvious proof that Israel the nation is not the (entire) Children of Israel prophesied over is this:
"Israel shall be as the sands of the sea in number (in the last days) or as the stars in Heaven. Who can count them?"

BUT: there are very, very few Jews. (Saxons make up the US, Canada, northern Europe, with strong enclaves in CZ and down through Romania, even Russia along the Volga, Britain, Australia, NZ, South Africa, etc, etc. Well over a billion people. That fills the bill.

Your interest in the Bible is admirable, though.
Excellent subject matter.

"They basically just ignore... (Below threshold)
bryanD:

"They basically just ignored him. On the day of Reagan's inauguration, the Iranians did not mess around. They did not take ANY chance with Reagan."_nehemiah

Not to pick on you (take it as a compliment instead, ie. you're not boring), BUT...

I like Reagan. Voted for him twice. But the hostages were released upon payment of 7.9 billion dollars to Iran. Iranians are master bargainers. They make the overseas Chinese look like special ed students. They knew Reagan wasn't about to let it drag throughout HIS term of office, and Iran knows the the US government has no appreciation for money, so they turned the screws, take it or leave it. Reagan took it. With relish. Morning in America meme intact. Win-win.

Bryan,Your interes... (Below threshold)
nehemiah:

Bryan,

Your interest in the Bible is (although also admirable), dangerous.

You must take the Bible literally. And Israel is also a specific geographic area for which God has given borders (as well as a people).

We are not Israel. We must (with our lives if we have to) however defend the current Israel (the literal country and the people). I recommend you to correct teachers of the Word (John McArthur, Skip Heitzig, Dr. J Vernon McGee, Jan Markell).

bryanD,Where do yo... (Below threshold)
nehemiah:

bryanD,

Where do you get your information from? Where do you get "7.9 billion dollars".

Even thinking about this at a 4th grade level does not make sense. So according to you, Iran released the hostages before Reagan even officially became president. So, who gave them the money, Carter? Or did they trust the U.S. so much that they released them and trusted the U.S. to pay later? Please get yourself an education that is worth more than 7.9 dollars.

By the way, please stop learning from the false Bible scholars. They are very dangerous.

BryanD is correct about the... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

BryanD is correct about the 12 tribes of Judah. Israel proved the most devout. ww

ww,There is no suc... (Below threshold)
nehemiah:

ww,

There is no such thing as 12 tribes of Judah. Judah is one of the tribes. No tribe was devout. Judah is important because it is the tribe that the lineage of Jesus comes from.

The liberal left is serving... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

The liberal left is serving as the propaganda arm of the terrorists. Carter is the perfect spokeman for the terrorist-excusing liberal left. And the liberal posters here are doing their part in this media war (unfortunately on behalf of the terrorists). Here is another example in the long list of this despicable propaganda effort.

http://www.csmonitor.com/2007/0620/p09s01-cojh.html

I have a question, roughly,... (Below threshold)
Matt:

I have a question, roughly, approximately related to this post. It's at least inspired by JT's post and something I've wondered about lately.

If the Palestinian got their wish, and somehow the Israeli's decided to give up Israeli Palestine, either by hook, crook, or by divine intervention, who would benefit??

Israel is a piece of seriously prime real estate. Lots of ocean frontage, several ports, agriculture etc.

Has anyone entertained the notion that with Israel gone that their land might be highly sought after by Jordan, Syria and Egypt? That anyone of those countries might just be willing to kill the palestinians for it? Maybe the British would want it back to send their radical muslims to?

Matt,Israel is abo... (Below threshold)
nehemiah:

Matt,

Israel is about the same size as New Jersey (slightly larger), less than 1% the size of the Arab world. It is not because they have "prime real estate" that the Arabs ("Palestinians") are after them. It is a spiritual hatred.

Matt, Gaza used to ... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

Matt,
Gaza used to be a resort prime location under Egyptian rule. So it seems that if the Palis are interested, they can rebuild Gaza again. Why not build an thriving economy that would put the Is to shame instead of seeking to destroy the state of Is? Singapore is a tiny little island. The Palis have enough land to be another Singapore of the ME.

nehemiah.. I only have few... (Below threshold)
Steve Crickmore:

nehemiah.. I only have few minutes now but as one CIA agent said all that Congressional committee stuff is only 'Potemkin Village' stuff..Hey so the Congressional Committee without looking very hard didn't find any credible evidence of the October Surprise..I have no doubt that because of Iran Contra trading weapons to Iran for hostages, the Republicans led by Reagan Campaign Director Bill Casey would have done the same earlier in October 1980 and just delayed the hostages release a few months, to sweeten the pie, and clinch the election for Reagan..

Steve Crickmore, Th... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

Steve Crickmore,
Thanks for reminding us of how the liberals were trying to aid the communists during the cold war. Yet the dems cut off the fund to aid the contra fighting against the Nicaraguan communists. Dems in congress even led a delegate down there to show support to the communists. Liberals aided the communists overtly and covertly during the cold war. And liberals are aiding the terrorists now during the GWOT. Carter is a pefect spokeman for the shameless liberal left. Thanks for reminding of how anti-American liberals are.

Right Crickmore,So... (Below threshold)
nehemiah:

Right Crickmore,

So "one CIA agent" is what you're going by? Not the Congressional Committee "stuff" which is of course obviously unreliable since they didn't find anything ('cause they didn't look hard you say).

Since they are so easy to influence with money, maybe we can give Ahmadinejad some money to declare that Israel are the chosen of God and should be left alone.

By the way, don't bring your fabricated conspiracy allegations about Reagan around here.

The link in the first post ... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

The link in the first post says it all. There are still liberals out there trying to make excuse for Carter.

We just don't get it. The Left in America is screaming to high heaven that the mess we are in in Iraq and the war on terrorism has been caused by the right-wing and that George W. Bush, the so-called "dim-witted cowboy," has created the entire mess.
The truth is the entire nightmare can be traced back to the liberal democratic policies of the leftist Jimmy Carter, who created a firestorm that destabilized our greatest ally in the Muslim world, the shah of Iran, in favor of a religious fanatic, the ayatollah Khomeini.

How any man can be POTUS an... (Below threshold)

How any man can be POTUS and subsequently trash and malign his country for years upon years afterwards while embracing thugs across the globe whose fondest desire is to destroy the very democratic principles he claims to embrace, is just too much to wrap one's mind around.

"All I know is he failed miserably, accomplished nothing, and let this situation go unchecked so long that we now have today's situation instead."

And "today's situation" is different ... how? Terror related deaths in the Palestinian territory and Israel have ebbed and flowed for decades (actually longer, but hey). In spite of what anyone, not just who happens to be the US President, has done, it never ends. Yet somehow, Bush is the "BIG FAILURE".

Give it a break Lee.

"Where do you get your info... (Below threshold)
bryanD:

"Where do you get your information from? Where do you get "7.9 billion dollars"."nehemiah

Carter froze Iranian assets ($8 billion), Reagan unfroze them. Strangely, from a new account (7.9 billion). The Iranians might possibly have recieved a double payment. Look it up.

Iranians weren't/aren't afraid of being bombed/attacked. Especially by the US in 1979/80. We couldn't even tame the NLF and NVA in Vietnam.
The Stategic Bombing Survey after WW2, showed no appreciable slowdown in war production due to bombing (natural resources were the culprit there), and an INCREASE in population morale in the Reich. (Love freaky facts!)

wee wee lee lee wardie is g... (Below threshold)
jhow66:

wee wee lee lee wardie is getting desperate. Please someone go over to the bluie section and tell him hello. That way he might stay there and not be soooooo lonely. snicker snort

I see that they let old bryanD-irtbag escape from Area 51 again. Poor thing.

johw66,Thanks for ... (Below threshold)
nehemiah:

johw66,

Thanks for the heads up on bryanD.

It was starting to get really weird trying to actually reason with him. I would have had to go somewhere past Jupiter to catch up with him.

And bryanD,

forget it dude. Carter froze 8 billion in case someone wanted to pay off Iran. Right. Now how was that going to work again if it could easily be un-frozen?

And bombing someone increases the bombee's morale, so "it doesn't work". How was Hiroshima and Nagasaki? That logic should have had their morale sky high. Maybe they were so high they then surrendered.

"Yet somehow, Bush is th... (Below threshold)
Lee Ward:

"Yet somehow, Bush is the "BIG FAILURE"."

Now you're catching on, Oyster - George sat on his hands regarding Israel and Palestine for six solid years -- he didn't even try - and if we elect another neocon oil-loving Republican we'll got more of the same.

The Republican "concern" for Israel doesn't match reality because it's just another Republican lie.

It's a fact: Bush accomplished nothing - because Bush did nothing, in fact -- he didn't even try.

"How was Hiroshima and Naga... (Below threshold)
bryanD:

"How was Hiroshima and Nagasaki? That logic should have had their morale sky high. Maybe they were so high they then surrendered.

Posted by: nehemiah "

Note the long pause after the A-bomb blasts while the Japanese War Council adjusted proactively for the continued prosecution of the war, arresting civilians and officers not considered gung ho, with the Emperor's VOCAL consent (a new phase and protocol).

But then a really momentous thing happened that DID frighten Kyoto: The Red Army landed on Sahkelein Island (Japanese Territory) and began moving south, Destination: Tokyo & Kyoto.

The Spectre of a Soviet Japan under Stalin scared the BEJEEZUS out of Hirohito. EVEN THEN, the Army attempted to kidnap the Emperor as a puppet, but were defeated the same day.

Need to quit watching History Channel Productions. Though the BBC/Granada shows are good.

It's a fact: Bush accomplis... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

It's a fact: Bush accomplished nothing - because Bush did nothing, in fact -- he didn't even try.
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And Carter DID ACCOMPLISH A LOT for the enemies of America. And Carter is still trying to accomplish more for the cause of Hamas terrorism and you are proud to defend him.

Yes, compared to Carter's record, Bush didn't accomplish squash for the enemies of America.

Liberals can be proud of Reid/Pelosi liberal culture of corruption and Clinton/Carter liberal anti-American effort.


But then a really momentous... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

But then a really momentous thing happened that DID frighten Kyoto: The Red Army landed on Sahkelein Island (Japanese Territory) and began moving south, Destination: Tokyo & Kyoto.
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Even by your own logic, the use of force worked. The Japanese probably didn't want to face the ruthlessness of the Red Army. So liberals now advocating kissing up to the terrorists as a policy. Or are you trying to advocate the ruthlessness of the Red army?

"johw66,Thanks for... (Below threshold)
bryanD:

"johw66,

Thanks for the heads up on bryanD"_nehemiah

HOOHA! That's funny. Listening to the local snitch!

Check out his tattling archives. Beware though! Remember the snitch in The Longest Yard? The guy who wanted to be Burt Reynold's "friend". Unscrew all lightbulbs!

bryanD,so did the ... (Below threshold)
nehemiah:

bryanD,

so did the atom bombs raise the morale of the Japanese?

Considering the damage Cart... (Below threshold)
Zelsdorf Ragshaft III:

Considering the damage Carter did in his four years as acting President, we can only be thankful he was not reelected, not that he could have defeated any challenge. Carter is like a herpie, he does not go away and is painful at times. I am sure Hyman Rickover has disowned him from where ever he rests. I think Carter pulled out of the Olymics not because of Afghanistan but so the Soviets would win more medals. After all, Carter acted like a card carrying communist.

yep..bash Carter..after all... (Below threshold)
nogo postal:

yep..bash Carter..after all Jay and others here your contributions have been so significant..Jay..I forget what was the title of your last book?
Jimmy Carter has lived his life as a Christian..
His efforts for decades to habitat for humanity while other past Presidents dwell with the rich of course is cause for scorn..
You have to remember the only reason he was elected was because the Republican President Nixon..lied to us about the war..conducted illegal wire taps...saw nothing wrong with approving pay offs to the illegal Watergate activity...
Was Carter in over his head as President...maybe so..
But if given a man of true compassion and intelligence in over his head...and someone like our current President in over his his head who lacks both...

Sorry if my Christian bias shows here..


oh Zelsdorf...your ability ... (Below threshold)
nogo postal:

oh Zelsdorf...your ability to communicate with the dead causes me to treat you with more respect....

...enjoy your day folks..(95 degrees in Denver..123 degrees in Baghdad)
after all..it is not like any of this is real...

Nogo, Thanks for re... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

Nogo,
Thanks for reminding us of the liberal corruption again. Nixon was forced to resign. And liberals defended Bill Clinton. Don't go through this garbage about sex only again. If you don't know the issue, I can explain the despicable hypocrisy of the the left for you wrt Clinton.
Carter is an apologist for the terrorists and you are trying to whitewash it. Carter called the US and IS criminal. Yet he can turn around and defend Hamas. And you are still here trying to defend him. Just more example of the liberal intellectual/moral bankruptcy.

Sorry if my Christian bias ... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

Sorry if my Christian bias shows here..
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So how can you excuse Hamas blowing up Is women and children?

BTW, do you support abortion?

Now you're catching on, ... (Below threshold)
MikeSC:

Now you're catching on, Oyster - George sat on his hands regarding Israel and Palestine for six solid years -- he didn't even try - and if we elect another neocon oil-loving Republican we'll got more of the same.

Defending Israel has WHAT to do with oil, precisely? I must have missed the deep deposits of oil that Israel has.

And, Lee, don't you have your literally ones of readers to wow on the page that was given to the likes of you as a gift? Are you determined to ruin TWO Wizbang pages instead of just the one you have produced miserable writing for?

Jimmy Carter has lived his life as a Christian..

Except for the blatant anti-Semitism, sure.

His efforts for decades to habitat for humanity while other past Presidents dwell with the rich of course is cause for scorn..

Almost makes up for his propping up of dictators like Chavez, forcing deals with corrupt scum like Kim Jong-Il, and his obvious and fervent approval of suicide bombers and terrorism.
-=Mike

NOGO forgets the Jimmuh Cah... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

NOGO forgets the Jimmuh Cahtah gave us the triple double; inflation, interests and unemployment. Oh yeah, those fun gas lines.

Nehemiah, the high priests had a jeweled breast plate on. There were twelve jewels on it representing the 12 tribes. ww

ww,I am not arguin... (Below threshold)
nehemiah:

ww,

I am not arguing that there were not 12 tribes. Of course there were. They came from the 12 sons of Jacob. But Judah was one of the sons. There's no such thing as "12 tribes of Judah".

One thing for sure: Lee War... (Below threshold)
nikkolai:

One thing for sure: Lee Ward is the biggest blowhard on this blog. He embarrasses himself every hour, if not every minute. His argument convince no one here.

Facts conservatives always ... (Below threshold)
jim:

Facts conservatives always seem to forget about Reagan:

1) Iran-Contra
2) "ketchup is a vegetable."
3) tripled national debt
4) raised taxes 3 times
5) highest number of Administration officials indicted and convicted for corruption of any administration, ever

Anyone else want to add some?

Oh, and Jimmy Carter saying... (Below threshold)
jim:

Oh, and Jimmy Carter saying Israel screwed up is not anti-Semitic, any more than him saying Bon Jovi sucks would be anti-rock. It's a simple statement of fact.

Jim, YOu are still ... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

Jim,
YOu are still here defending the disgraceful Carter. He said Is was criminal while excusing Hamas blowing women/children. He didn't bring up that inconvenient fact. That 's not even half-truth. It is a bald face lie to blame Is no matter what. If you keep defending these blatant anti-American and anti-semistic vicious rhetoric, then don't complain when the term liberal sew*ge is applied.

http://frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=28842


IT'S EITHER AN UNPRECEDENTED LOW IN PARTISAN DISCOURSE OR POLITICAL SURREALISM worthy of André Breton: on Tuesday, former president Jimmy Carter, speaking on foreign soil, denounced the policies of his successor as "criminal" because they fail to subsidize a genocidal Islamic terrorist organization that has killed Americans. Then, he blamed internecine Palestinian warfare on Americans and Israelis.

Speaking in Ireland at the eighth annual Forum on Human Rights - without an apparent hint of irony - Carter said the Bush administration had sinned against heaven and earth in its decision to withhold direct aid to Hamas once that group came to power in the Palestinian Authority. "That action was criminal," he said. The Palestinian people had elected Hamas fair-and-square in elections his Center described as "orderly and fair." (Carter said the same of Hugo Chavez's election.) He deemed Hamas "shrewd in selecting candidates."


Jim, Your post abou... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

Jim,
Your post about Reagan is the usual liberal lie. For example, you forgot to bring up the fact that Iran-Contra was a direct result of the liberal dem cutting funding to fight the communists in Nicaragua. Again this is another example of liberals aiding the enemies of America while doing their best to criminalize those who tried to fight the communist. That is an example of the liberal sewage that continues to this day. Carter is openly supporting Hamas terrorists with the full support of the liberals right on this blog. It is simple despicable.

If Reagan tax raise is so bad, can we go back to the tax rates under Reagan then? Liberals cannot be honest.

I see. So Reagan breaking t... (Below threshold)
jim:

I see. So Reagan breaking the law and violating the Constitution to sell weapons to our sworn enemies, and negotiate with terrorists, is the liberals' fault.

I understand liberals are also responsible for continental drift.

Jim, Do you acknowl... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

Jim,
Do you acknowledge the fact that the liberal dems were trying to aid the communists in Nicaragua. The liberals cut off the funding to the contras. The liberal dems went down to Nicaragua to aid the communist brethren there. Are you willing to acknowledge that fact? If not, then don't pretend to bring up facts here. They are the usual liberal spins to cover up their shameful record of aiding the communists and now the terrorists. Carter even worked with the Soviet Union to defeat Reagan! Why didn't you bring up those facts? Even now you are still defending Carter who is openly aiding the Hamas terrorists right now.

The hypocritical dishonesty of the liberals is in full display for you. They can call the US and Is criminals while not only excusing but praising Hamas. Liberals always try to attack those defending America and defend the enemies even those with the bloody record like the communists and the jihadist terrorists.

Jim:Oh, and Ji... (Below threshold)
marc:

Jim:

Oh, and Jimmy Carter saying Israel screwed up is not anti-Semitic, any more than him saying Bon Jovi sucks would be anti-rock. It's a simple statement of fact.

But falling in love with Hamas whose ONLY goal is the destruction of Israeli is.

Liberals will defend any ac... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

Liberals will defend any actions to help the enemies of America. Carter is simply the latest example in the long history of the left 's betrayal. The liberals have been willing to sell out the oppressed in the communist countries and now in the Islamic world.
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Direct military aid was interrupted by the Boland Amendment, passed by the United States Congress in December 1982, and subsequently extended in October 1984 to forbid action by not only the Defense Department and the Central Intelligence Agency but all US government agencies. Administration officials sought to arrange funding and military supplies by means of third-parties, culminating in the Iran-Contra Affair of 1986-1987, which concerned contra funding through the proceeds of arms sales to Iran. On February 3, 1988 the United States House of Representatives rejected President Reagan's request for $36.25 million to aid the

LAI, you can concoct whatev... (Below threshold)
jim:

LAI, you can concoct whatever rationale you want. violation of the Constitution remains the same.

The question is not the reasons why Reagan felt he had to break the law - the point is he broke the law.

Oh, and other minor points include how he sold weapons to a nation that declared us the Great Satan, and negotiated with terrorists. Those are sort of like desserts.

You guys are right. Jimmy C... (Below threshold)
jim:

You guys are right. Jimmy Carter hates Jews.

jim,what "law" did... (Below threshold)
nehemiah:

jim,

what "law" did Reagan break? That of not following the liberal line?

by the way, Iran is not the "sworn enemy". Liberalism/Communism/Extremist Muslims are our eternal enemies.

By the way, there was a rec... (Below threshold)
nehemiah:

By the way, there was a recent thread about a mile long full with Lee and other libs saying Clinton did not break the law because he "technically" was not convicted of perjury (even though they and we know full well he lied -- in fact, on that point they'll keep saying that he "did lie to the country" because not to admit that much would make them dorks with no sense of reality).

But now all of a sudden with no conviction of any kind, Reagan violated the Constitution because jim says so.

Gotta leave work. Why don't... (Below threshold)
jim:

Gotta leave work. Why don't you guys get caught up a bit, and we can continue?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran-Contra_Affair#First_arms_sale

jim, that Congress unconsti... (Below threshold)
MikeSC:

jim, that Congress unconstitutionally overstepped their bounds with the Boland Amendment is hardly news-worthy. Reagan was right to ignore the Soviet sympathizers in Congress at the time.
-=Mike

jim,are you referr... (Below threshold)
nehemiah:

jim,

are you referring us to that super-left wing work? Among its citations, footnote 26 is Michael Benhoff. For those that don't know, it's like citing Michael Moore when trying to do research an ankylosing spondylitis.

Michael Benhoff is a radical leftist who contributed to FAIR (possibly even more of a radical left wing media group than Media Matters). Right, we're supposed to study that source to get an accurate picture of Reagan. Please read Dinesh D'Souza on Reagan, he discusses Iran-Contra. Actually, I admire Reagan (if he really did take a central role), all the more for fighting communism and saving the people of Nicaragua.

So, it honestly doesn't bot... (Below threshold)
jim:

So, it honestly doesn't bother you guys that Reagan secretly sold weapons to a government that was publicly sworn to our destruction; after they disgraced and humiliated us in front of the whole world with the hostage situation.

And it doesn't bother you that Reagan negotiated with terrorists.

This really, honestly doesn't bother you guys? Just checking.

So, it honestly doesn't ... (Below threshold)
MikeSC:

So, it honestly doesn't bother you guys that Reagan secretly sold weapons to a government that was publicly sworn to our destruction; after they disgraced and humiliated us in front of the whole world with the hostage situation.

If it could've led to more Iraqis AND Iranians getting killed, it was brilliant.

And, again, do we need to remind you of WHY the hostage crisis became an embarassment? He is mentioned in the opening of the post here.

This really, honestly doesn't bother you guys? Just checking.

Does it bother me that you ask inane questions? Nah, I've gotten used to it.
-=Mike

Huh? Are you saying the who... (Below threshold)
jim:

Huh? Are you saying the whole Wikipedia article must be wrong, because Michael Benhoff donated to FAIR - but at the same time Dinesh D'Souzah is an example of reliable unbiased journalism??

OK, cool, MikeSC. I think I... (Below threshold)
jim:

OK, cool, MikeSC. I think I get it now. When a Republican secretly sells weapons to our enemies who are sworn to destroy us, and negotiates with terrorists, it's OK.

Thanks for clarifying.

And I guess it must be ok, ... (Below threshold)
jim:

And I guess it must be ok, because the person who did it wasn't Jimmy Carter.

I can only imagine the poopstorm that would've erupted had Jimmy Carter sold weapons to nations sworn to destroy us, negotiated with terrorists, declared ketchup was a vegetable, presided over the most-indicted and convicted administration in history, and then started going senile....he would've been a Democrat, too. And that would be too much.

Jim, You still have... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

Jim,
You still haven't acknowledge the fact that the Dems aided the communists in Nicaragua since 1982. This is when the Soviet was expanding into South America, Africa, and Asia.
Clinton was the most corrupt president. Carter was the most disgraceful former president. Liberals are trying to distort to attack people trying to protect America like Reagan while making excuse for the enemies and their enablers like Clinton and Carter. You should be ashamed of the moral corruption of the liberal left instead of defending this disgraceful action by Carter.

Here is the wikipedia link.... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

Here is the wikipedia link. Look at the extent the Dem went to aid the communists. Carter is praising Hamas while calling the US and Israel criminals. This is the example of how they aided the communists during the cold war: lying, exaggerating any mistakes to attack America and those who try to defend it. At the same time, they ignore the far worse atrocities of the communists.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contra_(guerrillas)

Here is the book on the Nic... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

Here is the book on the Nicaraguan communists and their rule of terror. Anyone with a little acquaintance of real life under communist regimes will recognize their familiar fascist control policies. These are the communists the Dems were trying to aid during the 1980s.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=25408

The Black Book of the Sandinistas

Upon capturing power in Nicaragua in July, 1979, the Sandinistas immediately Stalinized the country and aligned themselves with Castro and the Soviet Empire, making their country a base for the export of Marxist revolution throughout Central America.

Like all of its communist role models, the new regime constructed a fascistic apparatus to maintain rigid control. Following in the footsteps of Castro's Cuba, it set up neighborhood associations as local spy networks for the government. Each neighborhood had a Comité de Defensa Sandinista (CDS - Sandinista Defense Committee) that served the same totalitarian purpose as the Cuban CDR and the Nazi regime's block overseers --although the power of the CDS extended far beyond the Nazis' model. [1]

This is a good summary of t... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

This is a good summary of the dishonesty of the dems wrt Iran-contra.

http://powerlineblog.com/archives/006851.php

So that was the Iran-Contra affair. The real scandal was the Democrats' enactment (with help from some liberal Republicans) of an unconstitutional statute enacted for the express purpose of protecting a Communist regime in Latin America.
The Sandinistas, by the way, illustrate very well the contemporary Communist-fascist alliance, or, one might say, merger. Danny Ortega, who is still on the scene, expressed his solidarity with Saddam Hussein after Saddam's capture. This is the guy the Democrats were willing to bend the Constitution to keep in power.

jim,Michael Benhof... (Below threshold)
nehemiah:

jim,

Michael Benhoff didn't "donate" to FAIR. You misunderstand when I say "contribute". He actually contributed research articles -- he wrote for them. The Wikipedia article you've linked to are full of these left wing sources. It is a biased article. I invite anyone to look at the sources in the footnotes -- they are mostly all far left wing sources.

I wouldn't call Dinesh D'Souza unbiased -- he is certainly a conservative. But he is truthful and will not manipulate facts -- that's the difference.

The Iran-Contra affair really was not a big deal -- it was made to be by the liberals. What was a big deal is why the Democrats were rooting that evil corrupt communist regime called the Sandinistas.

The truly serious matter no... (Below threshold)
nehemiah:

The truly serious matter not commented upon by liberals is also why they do not express absolute horror and regret at having supported the Sandinistas, who are about as corrupt and underhanded as they come. They ran as "progressives" in the election, and as soon as they won, they declared themselves Stalinist Marxists.

Of course you wouldn't call... (Below threshold)
jim:

Of course you wouldn't call Dinesh D'Souza biased - you agree with him.

But you are saying Benhoff must be biased, solely because he contributed articles to FAIR?

That seems more like dismissing him because you don't like what he has to say.

How about the more important matter, of whether or not his facts are accurate?

LAI, as usual, you are deli... (Below threshold)
jim:

LAI, as usual, you are deliberately missing the point.

The supposed badness and wrongness of the enemy, does not excuse our leaders from doing what's good and right. PLease understand that.

Reagan sold weapons to a nation sworn to kill us, and freed up billions of dollars in their frozen funds, and then negotiated with them and their terrorists on top of that.

This was also in direct violation of the Constitution - selling the weapons system was a way to get funding that Congress wouldn't give. The Constitution gives the purse strings to Congress for this very reason - so that military action, which requires money, will have to be directly justified by Congress to the people.

The supposed badness and wr... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

The supposed badness and wrongness of the enemy, does not excuse our leaders from doing what's good and right.
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Using your standard, the dems are despicable for using their power to aid a communist dictator in Latin America. This is after the 3-5 millions of death in Indochina after the dems cut off the funding in VN. So liberals aided the communist enemy of America even knowing how bad they are.
In other words, the dems were using all their power to undermine Reagan every step of the way in the fight against communism.

The hypocritical dishonesty of the Dem again is beyond parody. Reagan was trying to help a "moderate" Iran against the more radical mullahs. Yet the liberals today can ask Bush to engage with Hamas. Liberals are speaking on both sides of their mouth.

Again, you need to acknowledge the fact that the Dems use all means to aid the enemies of America. That 's the real scandal.

LAI, just for the hell of i... (Below threshold)
jim:

LAI, just for the hell of it, let's step through the logical chain of events you just went through.

I started with:

The supposed badness and wrongness of the enemy, does not excuse our leaders from doing what's good and right.

You responded with:

Using your standard, the dems are despicable for using their power to aid a communist dictator in Latin America...

I am not getting into whatever you are talking about....because your argument refers to the Democrats being bad and wrong.

!!!!

Which, as I already pointed out to you, does not excuse Reagan from doing something wrong.

Then you slip in the statement that Reagan was trying to help the moderate mullahs. What?? He didn't sell the moderates weapons - he sold the Iranian government weapons. And negotiated with terrorists. I assure these weren't "moderate" terrorists.

And then you end with, "teh Democrats want to use all means to help the enemies of America".

Do you really, honestly believe this?

Do you think all Democrats are implanted with some sort of chip in childhood, by secret agents of Jane Fonda or Barbara Streisand, so they can follow the commands of Comrade Moore and destroy the white race once and for all?

Or perhaps you think Democrats are a mutant race spawned by the Devil to bring down America so Socialized Medicine can enslave us, make our sons marry each other and smoke fetuses in crack pipes, bwaahahahhahahh?

Jim, The dems were ... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

Jim,
The dems were that bad. They cut off funding to South Vietnam with 3-5 million deaths. The dems even went down to Nicaragua to pop up Ortega. The Boland statute was to cut off the funding to contras who were fighting the terrorists at the time. You need to acknowledge the fact that the dems did their damnest to help keep a communist regime in power. If you don't want to believe the fact, then nothing I can do for you since you want to live in a fantasy land

Are we giving the weapons to the Fatah terrorists now in Palestine? Fatah is more moderate compared to Hamas, right? Liberals like Carter can praise Hamas with your full support, then turn around accusing Bush of arming the Palestinian terrorists in Fatah? That 's the dishonesty of the liberals. They are speaking on both sides of their mouths all the time. They even blame Bush for not intervening. If he does, then he is arming the terrorists?

You didn't even bother to read the link I gave you

it's not at all so cut and dried that "selling arms to 'Iran'" was "not a great idea." In fact, North was smart enough not to sell to or deal with the terrorist hostage-takers themselves; his dealings were with what you call the "moderates," which in specific means Hashemi Rafsanjani. Rafsanjani used the money to buy lots of weapons and heavily arm his followers.
When the Ayatollah Khomeini died in 1989, there was of course a mad scramble for power in Iran... but directly because of America having armed Rafsanjani, he was able to survive and indeed become Iran's first post-Khomeini president. He was far more pro-West than were the mullahs who took over after Khomeini's death, and indeed he was what passes for a reformer in Iran on domestic issues as well. Because of Rafsanjani -- and especially because he voluntarily left office due to term limits in 1997 -- Iran is actually negotiating with the IAEA (and trying to cheat, of course) rather than openly and nakedly defying the world in trying to build a nuclear arsenal; the former is certainly better than the latter... and once again, we have Reagan and

Jim, The liberals/d... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

Jim,
The liberals/dems spin and lie for what purpose? To aid the enemies of America. Just look at torture issue and Hamas. They lie to make excuse for the terrorists. The liberals lied to make excuse for the communists during the cold war. It is despicable in my opinion. Again, if you want to support the liberal culture of corruption, it is up to you. But don't pretend to care about ethics and constitution. The liberals don't have any respect for that. Otherwise, Clinton, Carter, Reid, Pelosi .... wouldn't brazenly aid the terrorists as they are doing.

LAI, I didn't even go and c... (Below threshold)
jim:

LAI, I didn't even go and check out the link because however bad or wrong the Democrats may or not be is ***not relevant*** to the bad things Reagan has done.

Do you understand? It isn't relevant at all to Reagan's actions.

Anymore than something bad that I did, would excuse something bad that you've done. Or vice versa.

People are responsible for their own actions. Reagan chose to sell weapons to our sworn enemies, release the funds for enemy nations, and negotiate with terrorists.

Then you finish with some statement, that claims Reid and Pelosi want to aid terrorists.

Please think abotu this for a second. They were all born in AMerica. They've lived their whole lives in America. They're educated here, and now they're in the American Government.

What possible, possible reason could they all have to want to destroy America??

What you're saying makes no sense. I understand it's hyperbole, but please fully wake up to the facts:

Unless all Democrats are evil mutants sent here from the planet Mongo by Ming the Merciless, that simply is not possible.

Oh, and your link above is ... (Below threshold)
jim:

Oh, and your link above is ridiculous. North didn't sell directly to the extremists; this is supposed to be good? He dealt with moderates, ***who then dealt with the extremists***. Because the extremists did the kidnapping.

So we negotiated with terrorists via a middle man. Whoopee.

What possible, possible rea... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

What possible, possible reason could they all have to want to destroy America??
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They simply want power. We know people who are willing to sell out the country to win political power. They don't care whether they damaged the country or not. Right now, they want to attack Bush to win power. If Bush succeeds, then they failed. So they need the terrorists to succeed.

Also because modern liberals are secular socialist. They believe in secular statism which is the very opposite the constitutional democracy in America. The American free market system is opposite to socialism which liberals love. They want to turn America into a socialist country. During the cold war, the communists were their ideological allies. You can see it now.

That 's what I am trying to tell you. If you care about this country, no way you can support the modern Dem party. You have been reading too much propaganda from the left. Flee from them asap. You don't have to support the Rep party. But no way you can support the dem party. That 's the point.


What possible, possible ... (Below threshold)
jim:

What possible, possible reason could they all have to want to destroy America??
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They simply want power.

So, they'll get to have power over a destroyed America, you're suggesting?

Also because modern liberals are secular socialist.

Interesting. The successful businessmen and churchgoers Gore, Clinton, Reid who is actually a Mormon, etc. etc. are actually secular socialists.

I guess they didn't get the memo.

They believe in secular statism which is the very opposite the constitutional democracy in America.

And they believe this because you say they do, and because you also say the US Constitutional Democracy is **not** secular, I imagine.

During the cold war, the communists were their ideological allies. You can see it now.

I see.

The communists were the allies of Truman, FDR, and JFK.

Riiiiiiiight.

The communists were the all... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

The communists were the allies of Truman, FDR, and JFK.
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YOu are simply being dense. Truman, FDR, and JFK are not modern liberals. Reagan was an FDR democrat!

Using your standard, regardless of what Reagan did, the dems were despicable for doing the damnest to aid the enemies of AMerica. If you claim to care about the country, given this shameful historical record, you cannot support the dem party at all. Unless you only care about spinning for the dems.

BTW, the constitution was derive from the declaration of independence when all men are considered equal because they are endowed by the creator with the intrinsic rights as humans. I don't think secular believes in a creator.

Jim, Going to churc... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

Jim,
Going to church doesn't mean anything. You should know that. Gore/Clinton/Reid were successful business men? I didn't know that. WE had a episcopal pastor claiming to be both christian and muslim at the same time.

They simply want power.... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

They simply want power.

So, they'll get to have power over a destroyed America, you're suggesting?
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Yes, they don't care about the consequences of their action to AMerica. They want power first. IF Bush succeeds, then the dems will fail politically. They need Bush to fail. In order for that to happen, they need the terrorists to win.

"In other words, the dems ... (Below threshold)
Rob LA Ca.:

"In other words, the dems were using all their power to undermine Reagan every step of the way in the fight against communism."

Are you fricken conscience Jim?

The criminal democrats are have been undermining President Bush ever since they failed to steal the election in 2000.

"but please fully wake up to the facts:"

You are the only one asleep or have you been hypnotized? Get off your lazy ass and do some research stupid. Like hundreds of hours of it. You have been clicking a democrat circle jerk of links no doubt.

"Unless all Democrats are evil mutants sent here from the planet Mongo by Ming the Merciless, that simply is not possible."

WHY?
Only because it's absurd and you said it?

I say the democrat leadership is down right sinister , evil and diabolical in their disgusting lust for power. What are you deaf , dumb , blind and or stupid? You must be a combination of these or worse to vehemently support and excuse every criminal act and lie the they spew. I believe that damn near half the leadership should summarily executed for the damage they have done and continue to do to this Country. I wish it was possible to kill them alot for the lives they have destroyed , the hatred they spread and for the dasdardly way they deceive. I ignorantly voted for these Rat Basturds for nearly 20 years, what is your excuse , JIM?

Jimmy really just needs to ... (Below threshold)
LAB:

Jimmy really just needs to kick back in a recliner, eat ice cream and watch cartoons...And not talk.




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