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The Crazies Next Door II

The crazy train rolls on over a Wizbang Blue....

I found this gem posted this morning...

Our Attack That Killed Afghan Kids Deliberately: US Military Officials
Posted by Steve Crickmore

Just over a week ago, we at 'Wizbangblue' talked about a horror story in which the US bombed a "compound" in Paktika province, Afghanistan, where it was claimed "nefarious activity" was ocurring. [sic] Seven children died in the bombing raid. Sgt. Dean Welch cautioned: "If we knew that there were children inside the building, there was no way that an air strike would have occurred."

Now the truth has come out..The military has confessed. They knew that there were children in the school, but as they suspected `nefarious activity` in the shape of a Al Qaeda leader could be lurking there, they decided to bomb the compound (not `no way` but) anyway.

Now we're "Deliberately" killing children. What a horrible people we are...

But, as usual, reading is fundamental. The post is based on a 2 day old story from MSNBC. I'll clip the important part, basically in its entirety.

According to several officials, and contrary to previous statements, the U.S. military knew there were children at the compound but considered Abu Laith of such high value it was worth the risk of potential collateral damage.

So - just by reading - we go from the U.S. military "confessing" that we knew children where actually in the school and we killed them "deliberately" to an anonymous claim we knew kids where somewhere in the compound. (but not in the school) -- Reading; it's so fundamental.

And we all know how reliable anonymous sources can be. Like the ones who gave the NY Times the disappearing explosives story days before the election. And don't get me started on Dan Rather...

But there is more.

This MSNBC "confession" story ran two days ago... Certainly the rest of the media must be giving it wall to wall coverage right???? Not so much. Not a single other news story could be found with this claim in it.

So Steve Crickmore picked up a 2 day old story that was completely unsubstantiated, he completely misrepresented what it said, all so he could claim the U.S. military was "deliberately" killing children.

Kevin do you think we can get some lefty bloggers who don't hate America and/or aren't crazy?


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I was stuck in a Chicago ta... (Below threshold)

I was stuck in a Chicago taxi a couple weeks ago, forced to listen to NPR. Their "correspondents" having been saying this for quite some time, whilst conveniently ignoring pertinent, mitigating facts. Facts such as militants hiding explosives, and arms both large and small, in residential areas where woman and children are present. Facts such as attacks on troops and aircraft having originated from within these same residential areas. Facts are such nuisances when you are trying to conduct a misinformation campaign!

Kevin do you think... (Below threshold)
Kevin do you think we can get some lefty bloggers who don't hate America and/or aren't crazy?

I am becoming increasingly convinced that there ain't no such animal.

Wizbang Blue! Explosively M... (Below threshold)
Heralder:

Wizbang Blue! Explosively Misrepresenative...

Paul, are you shocked? I fo... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

Paul, are you shocked? I for one expect them to slant a story against the military. The lefties always have dispised the military and throw in their self-loathing and you have a liberal. ww

Any chance to discredit Ame... (Below threshold)

Any chance to discredit America or her military... You would think the lefties would show our troops a little more respect/gratitude - after all, those troops ensure the lefties can trash them whenever they get the urge...

"Kevin do you think we can ... (Below threshold)

"Kevin do you think we can get some lefty bloggers who don't hate America and/or aren't crazy?"

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

Oh. You were serious?

"So - just by reading - ... (Below threshold)

"So - just by reading - we go from the U.S. military "confessing" that we knew children where actually in the school and we killed them "deliberately" to an anonymous claim we knew kids where somewhere in the compound. (but not in the school) -- Reading; it's so fundamental."

It certainly is fundamental, because I don't see anywhere in the article where it says they weren't in the school. "The school" includes the grounds and the outbuildings - any adult would recognize that. You apparently choose to call "the school" only the building that was bombed.

No wonder you have such 'issues' with the postings at Wizbang Blue. Your poor reading comprehension skills, coupled with your out-of-control 'liberal derangement syndrome' as demonstrated in ALL of your postings, make you out to be a first-class loser, Paul.

How long till your next post, Paul? I need to plan out my day and I don't want to miss a single piece of crap that you write.

So, at Virginia Tech, where... (Below threshold)
MikeSC:

So, at Virginia Tech, where there was a shooting --- does that mean every square inch of the campus was under a hail of bullets? Or did the shooting occur in a specific location on a wide campus and didn't directly impact most students?

Wizbang Blue --- Kinda like DU. But maybe a bit more deranged.
-=Mike

A mind is a terrible thing ... (Below threshold)
Mitchell:

A mind is a terrible thing to let go, er, waste not want not, er, huh?

Ol Crickmoron, he didn't do RIF when he was a lil school boy.

Funny, but Steve is more co... (Below threshold)
brainy435:

Funny, but Steve is more concerned that we would off terror leaders even if there is a small chance of civilians dying than the fact that if allowed to live those same leaders would kill children directly.

Kevin do you think we ca... (Below threshold)
Peter F.:

Kevin do you think we can get some lefty bloggers who don't hate America and/or aren't crazy?

I guess it's safe to assume that you still believe in Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny, too.

\"article where it says the... (Below threshold)
mixti:

\"article where it says they weren\'t in the school. \"The school\" includes the grounds and the outbuildings - any adult would recognize that.\"

Ouch. Paul do you have a rebuttal to this because he sure looks right?

I know you asshats can't re... (Below threshold)
brainy435:

I know you asshats can't read, so I'll make it easier for you:
From the same article:
"Initial reports had U.S. jets targeting a compound that also contained a mosque and a madrassa, or Islamic school."

So there were seperate structures, ONE of which was a mosque and ONE of which was a school. None of this retardness of the school being the whole compound.

Morons.

LOL, I screwed up the quasi... (Below threshold)
brainy435:

LOL, I screwed up the quasi-word retardedness...

Whether it was 'in the scho... (Below threshold)
_Mike_:

Whether it was 'in the school' or 'in the compound' is entirely tangential to the point of Paul's piece.

Here's the Blue kooks' headline:

Our Attack That Killed Afghan Kids [b]Deliberately[/b]

[emphasis added]

As seen in the headline, Steve's arguing that it was the intent of the U.S. military to kill the children. Anyone capable of reading and comprehending the article would know that's a complete misrepresentation of what occurred. Apparently, that criteria excludes the Blue kooks.

If the target is actually o... (Below threshold)
nehemiah:

If the target is actually of such importance that we cannot avoid a certain amount of collateral damage, it is up to the American military to make that call. So what's the problem?

I have been looking at the ... (Below threshold)
Kevin:

I have been looking at the Wizbang Blue site pretty regularly now. These guys are terrible. Yesterday, one of the ignoramii leaves a comment about all the hateful remarks coming from conservative talk radio regarding the "brown people". Of course, not one citation of any actual racial animus, just a bald faced claim made to paint the conservative side as racists.

Clearly they are making outrageous claims just to get attention and hits. I would suggest that all the Wizbang readers refuse to visit that site. Eventually, economics will make them go away. Of course, I believe they consider that to be censorship.

It certainly is fundamen... (Below threshold)
Paul:

It certainly is fundamental, because I don't see anywhere in the article where it says they weren't in the school. "The school" includes the grounds and the outbuildings

What's that word I'm looking for? Oh yeah...

Liar.

"I would suggest that all t... (Below threshold)

"I would suggest that all the Wizbang readers refuse to visit that site."

Forget about Blue, just the influence on this site and the 'legitimizing' of some resident trolls with nothing to offer is making me come to Wizbang less often. I'd be surprised if I'm the only one. Take heed.

If the target is actuall... (Below threshold)
mantis:

If the target is actually of such importance that we cannot avoid a certain amount of collateral damage, it is up to the American military to make that call. So what's the problem?

There's no problem. In a military fight, things like this are depressingly necessary. If we are to fight an enemy that hides among civilians, at schools, and in holy places, these things will happen. This was an attack on an well-known al Qaeda leader. I understand when opponents of the Iraq war say that much of what we're doing there is not fighting terrorism (because they're right), but it drives me nuts when those same people balk about attacking clear terrorist targets.

They then pretend that they're just criticizing tactics: "We'll never win the war in Afghanistan from 20,000 feet up." Guess what, Steve, troops move in after the bombs drop and round up surviving targets. As the article you link states, "Early reports indicated seven children at the madrassa and "several militants" were killed, and two militants detained, the statement said." Were they detained from 20k feet up? That would be a neat trick.

Tough decisions have to be made. It seems as if Crickmore thinks that those dropping the bombs were gleefully killing children. I'll bet the reverse is true, and that this will haunt those responsible. War is hard, and war is ugly. Do you guys think we should be in Afghanistan? If you do, then you'll have to deal with unfortunate reality that these things will happen.

I would suggest th... (Below threshold)
I would suggest that all the Wizbang readers refuse to visit that site.

I never do anyway.

I still think you need to pull the plug, Kevin. It's really giving all of Wizbang a bad name.

OK LEE, let's get to it....... (Below threshold)
Paul:

OK LEE, let's get to it....

Did the U.S. Military deliberately kill children they knew where there.

YES OR NO LEE. Yes or No.

Clearly they are making... (Below threshold)

Clearly they are making outrageous claims just to get attention and hits. I would suggest that all the Wizbang readers refuse to visit that site. Eventually, economics will make them go away. Of course, I believe they consider that to be censorship.

See, that will only work if the Wizbang authors stop making posts ridiculing the posts/authors over at Blue...

As it is now, while perversely entertaining to watch the Wizbangers shoot the Blues swimming around in the barrel, it is also giving the Blues all the attention they want/need to keep going.

Yeah, I know, rational people would not consider ridicule/disparagement/scorn/demolition-of-one's-arguments/etc. to be a motivating force, but... consider who we are talking about.

At least Mantis seems to ma... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

At least Mantis seems to make sense in his post now. It is good for him.

These folks need to hold the terrorists responsible for hiding behind women and children, not the US military.

The socialists would prefer... (Below threshold)
John in CA:

The socialists would prefer we take the route of Willy-Nilly Clinton, who had the bullseye on Osama bin Laden in a compound, but, alas, there was playground equipment there. Thus, mission aborted to avoid the possibility of collateral damage to innocents. Instead of killing the head of AQ, he avoided meeting Allah.

Forget the fact that killing the leader of AQ, and the possibility of destabilizing the organization, possibly averting or delaying planned terrorist activity. Nope, let's skip all that. Instead of the possibility of collateral damage in OBL's compound, we suffered the collateral damage of innocent's in NYC and Virginia and a field in Pennsylvania.

Yah, that's way more preferable.

So, if I'm AQ or a terrorist, all I need to do is put a swing set and see-saw, and a school house over in the corner, and I'm home free.

Idiots.

and just to clarify lest th... (Below threshold)
kevin:

and just to clarify lest there be any confusion- the Kevin who posted the message above (me) is not the same Kevin that runs the site. Perhaps I need to come up with a clever handle to distinguish myself... Maybe "J.T."

How long till your... (Below threshold)
John in CA:
How long till your next post, Paul? I need to plan out my day and I don't want to miss a single piece of crap that you write.

Posted by: Lee Ward at June 29, 2007 12:29 PM

Or, you could just wander over to wizblues and pick any post to read a piece of crap.

The key word, in my view, w... (Below threshold)
Jeff Blogworthy:

The key word, in my view, was the word "potential" as in "potential collateral damage." War is hell. Nobody want to see children hurt, but terrorists have children too and it is unavoidable that women and children will be killed in war.

Where are the condemnations from the left of our enemies who unhesitatingly hide behind children and use them to wage war? Like the six-year old kid who, just the other day, was told to "push this button" to "spray flowers." Luckily the child was not as dumb as his would-be murderers thought. These are the people we fight, yet the left would have us believe that we are the evil ones. What despicable traitors they are.

"At least Mantis seems t... (Below threshold)
P. Bunyan:

"At least Mantis seems to make sense in his post now"

Except for this: "I understand when opponents of the Iraq war say that much of what we're doing there is not fighting terrorism (because they're right"

But other than that demostrably false statement (albeit common leftist dogma) it was a good post.

no read that twice... P. B... (Below threshold)
Paul:

no read that twice... P. Bunyan (my bold and brackets)

>I understand when opponents of the Iraq war say that much of what we're doing there is not [directly] fighting terrorism

That's fair I think. Yes in the broad scope it is all part of the WOT but we've gone past that in many ways... If the ONLY objective was stopping terrorism, we'd just level the middle East and be done with it.

Still waiting on a YES or N... (Below threshold)
Paul:

Still waiting on a YES or NO from Lee

And you'll be waiting forev... (Below threshold)
D-Hoggs:

And you'll be waiting forever Paul, we all know he can't answer, he may come back with some 10 paragraph diatribe, but nowhere in it will be a yes or no answer, he is not capable of such intellectual honesty.

I disagree Paul. ... (Below threshold)
P. Bunyan:

I disagree Paul.

(1) Most of the MSM leading story news from Iraq are stories about terrorist attacks; not military acts, not insurgent acts, terrorist acts.

(2) If we do not achieve unquestionable victory in Iraq then we will prove that terrorism works and we will legitimize terrorism. Not to mention what it will do for Al Qaeda recruiting.

Of course pretty much every Democrat who is running for President has promised that they will legitimize terrorism and prove that it works.

>he is not capable of such ... (Below threshold)
Paul:

>he is not capable of such intellectual honesty.

That's another way to say he is a liar.

Yesterday, one of ... (Below threshold)
John in CA:
Yesterday, one of the ignoramii leaves a comment about all the hateful remarks coming from conservative talk radio regarding the "brown people". Of course, not one citation of any actual racial animus, just a bald faced claim made to paint the conservative side as racists.

If religion is the last refuge of the scoundrel, then charging racism is the last refuge of the liberals.

When they have no other arguments, they play the race card.

You're right, I listen to talk radio all day. Never once have I heard any reference to the brown people. The only reason the subject of nationality comes up is in reference to Mexico. That reason should be obvious. That's where the massive number of the illegals cross, and the overwhelming number of them are, umm, oh yah, Mexicans.

If the socialists want to find racism in the illegal immigrant debate, they should turn their lonely eyes to MEChA and La Raza. What does La Raza mean? Oh, yeah, The Race.

A couple of weeks ago when the socialists were in fear of losing the illegal immigrant amnesty fight, the lead socialist at wizblues, leeward, flung out the racist card, accusing opponents of the disastrous legislation of being racists.

When challenged to identify the racists, leeward declined, stating that he would identify them when the time was right, and then dissembled that he didn't think all of the opponents were racists, just some of them.

To this day, despite numerous opportunities and invitations to do so, leeward has not identified a single racist in the opposition to the illegal immigrant amnesty debate.

Undoubtedly, among the millions of Americans who opposed illegal immigrant amnesty, there is a smattering of racists, just as you would find in any large group of the population. However, leeward cannot point to a Senator, a national talk show host, any leaders of the illegal immigrant amnesty opposition, nor any of the leading right-o-sphere blogs. He can't, because there isn't one!

I still maintain that leeward is a race card playing baiting pimp. I won't hold him or wizblues responsible for the stray commenter being a racist. That's what happens when you have open commenting.

Racism charges are the last refuge of desperate socialists.

For readers knocking Wizban... (Below threshold)
bryanD:

For readers knocking Wizbang Blue, Kevin made the correct decision to expand the brand. To counterbalance the obvious creeping malaise that is a by-product of Glorious Leader's downfall, there needs to be timely and topical daily posts and if the Left are the ones still getting out of bed in the morning, let them post.
Not that it's TOTALLY dead yet on this side of the site, but weekends are a bust, and Bushcheney need rhetorical reinforcements and there are none. Your supposed Presidential Model is reeling on so many fronts it is literally hard to keep track of. (Check out the Bruce Fein call for Cheney's impeachment today. Reagan's former ass't Atty Gen. A good Republican)

For readers knocking Wiz... (Below threshold)
MikeSC:

For readers knocking Wizbang Blue, Kevin made the correct decision to expand the brand.

Wizbang needed its own "bad writing" blog? Couldn't they simply turn a blog over to chimps? The quality wouldn't be appreciably lower.

To counterbalance the obvious creeping malaise that is a by-product of Glorious Leader's downfall, there needs to be timely and topical daily posts and if the Left are the ones still getting out of bed in the morning, let them post.

Seeing as how they obsess over Bush and inane conspiracy theories, not so much.

There's a homeless guy down near the university who screams at himself. While he may get up early, I'm not sure a news update from him would be enlightening.

Not that it's TOTALLY dead yet on this side of the site, but weekends are a bust, and Bushcheney need rhetorical reinforcements and there are none. Your supposed Presidential Model is reeling on so many fronts it is literally hard to keep track of. (Check out the Bruce Fein call for Cheney's impeachment today. Reagan's former ass't Atty Gen. A good Republican)

Yes. Impeach Cheney.

Know who'd preside over the hearing?

Cheney.

There is nothing specifically in the Constitution about who would preside over it --- so the only person who could would be the one who'd preside over all of the ones except Presidential ones.

You know, Cheney.

Of course, you'd have to name these high crimes and misdemeanors he did. And, OBVIOUSLY, perjury and obstruction of justice don't qualify, per the Clinton example.
-=Mike

Still waiting on a YES o... (Below threshold)
MikeSC:

Still waiting on a YES or NO from Lee

Won't happen. The left is not capable of intellectual consistency.
-=Mike
...I mean, moveon.org is championing the impeachment of a President, for God's sake...

Brilliant <a href="http://e... (Below threshold)

Brilliant fisking of bryanD[imwit]'s latest rant, Mike!

Almost 3 hours later and no... (Below threshold)
Paul:

Almost 3 hours later and no reply from Lee.

Of course it won't happen. He either needs to admit Crickmore is a raving lunatic or he needs to out himself as the same.

Although I must admit, I'm surprised... I didn't think Less was EVER going to smart enough to shut up.

So in the end we have validation that Crickmore is a raving lunatic and we get confirmation from Lee.

It was worth the effort.

bryanD[elusional]<... (Below threshold)
marc:

bryanD[elusional]

For readers knocking Wizbang Blue, Kevin made the correct decision to expand the brand.

I agree BD, shocking no?

However I doubt you'd agree with my reason. By allowing Blue to exist Kevin has provided a window to see into the morals of some of our dem opponents.

For example, it's been fairly well established Lee's been tagged with the lair label. Sometime it's with merit, sometimes not.

BUT, there is NO dispute Lee has been unmasked as a blatant and unrepentant content thief.

BTW bryanD[elusional] when will you join the gang at Blue?

You'd be a fine addition to their lineup, I'm sure Kevin would be more than accommodating and line you up with an account.

You's fit right in.

Brilliant fisking of bryanD... (Below threshold)
bryanD:

Brilliant fisking of bryanD[imwit]'s latest rant, Mike!
Posted by: C-C-G

"Rants" are good in a comments section. Often better than the main post. As for your day-long trolling and Ho Ho
binge, color me Unimpressed. Your "reaching out" would be more appropriate at eHarmony For Men.

And Fisk is an excellent reporter in the UK tradition; showed the neocons to be "sexing up" intel in the run-up to the war on Iraq. Was proved 100% correct. Sullivan, his nemesis who popularized the term, has since joined Fisk's side of the policy fence (more or less).

Neocons and butmonkeys: Will they ever win?

BTW bryanD[elusional] when ... (Below threshold)
bryanD:

BTW bryanD[elusional] when will you join the gang at Blue?

marc, my reflexive Jew, Papist, Mormon and Homo baiting deserves its own blog.

BTW bryanD[elusional] ... (Below threshold)
marc:

BTW bryanD[elusional]

marc, my reflexive Jew, Papist, Mormon and Homo baiting deserves its own blog.

Then get one, they're free.

Lee is simply demonstrating... (Below threshold)

Lee is simply demonstrating his intellectual midgetry by taunting you at WizBlue today at 4PM ,Paul.

marc, I know blog kits are ... (Below threshold)
bryanD:

marc, I know blog kits are free and I have something to say, but it would soon degenerate into picture posts of Polska Models. 1024x1200

"If religion is the last re... (Below threshold)
John F Not Kerry:

"If religion is the last refuge of the scoundrel..."

I think that's supposed to be patriotism.

"Almost 3 hours later an... (Below threshold)

"Almost 3 hours later and no reply from Lee."

I've had more interesting things to do, Paul, including reading this thread where you were left swinging in the wind. Lol...

As to your question about Steve Crickmore's post, his views, and his choice of words -- why don't you just ask him?

Once again Lee avoids a dir... (Below threshold)

Once again Lee avoids a direct question.

All those that are surprised by this, stand on your head...

LeeI've had ... (Below threshold)

Lee

I've had more interesting things to do, Paul,

Only you find that convincing. We all know you've been drumming your fingers over at Blue trying to come up with a snappy little comeback to Paul's very straightforward question. You even admitted it at 4PM.

Lee, you're quick with J'ACCUSE
but slow on the response. We understand that here. A quick and smart rebuttal is physiologically impossible with your foot buried in your mouth.


I've had more interes... (Below threshold)

I've had more interesting things to do, Paul, including reading this thread where you were left swinging in the wind. Lol...

Translation: I can't and won't answer your question but, LOOK!, a diversion!


As to your question about Steve Crickmore's post, his views, and his choice of words -- why don't you just ask him?


Why should Paul ask him? Paul was resonding to your 12:29 PM post:

No wonder you have such 'issues' with the postings at Wizbang Blue. Your poor reading comprehension skills, coupled with your out-of-control 'liberal derangement syndrome' as demonstrated in ALL of your postings, make you out to be a first-class loser, Paul.How long till your next post, Paul? I need to plan out my day and I don't want to miss a single piece of crap that you write.

Take particular note of the last sentence Lee. We were waiting for you answer, and we were waiting patiently, because we knew "I (Lee) need to plan out my day and I don't want to miss a single piece of crap that you write."

We all know you've... (Below threshold)
We all know you've been drumming your fingers over at Blue trying to come up with a snappy little comeback to Paul's very straightforward question.

More likely he's been scouring DU, DailyKos, and MoveOn for the answer.

Lee:I've had m... (Below threshold)
marc:

Lee:

I've had more interesting things to do, Paul,

Yeah, like being the poster child for "Ironic," (or should that read moronic? Or both?) by authoring a Blue post entitled, "Moderating the Voices of Hate."

Yeah, like being t... (Below threshold)
Yeah, like being the poster child for "Ironic," (or should that read moronic? Or both?) by authoring a Blue post entitled, "Moderating the Voices of Hate."

I can't stomach Blue... let me guess... the "Voices of Hate" are anyone that doesn't agree with Lee.

Right, Marc?

Just like a "troll" to Lee is anyone that doesn't bow down and kiss his ring.

For those here who do not h... (Below threshold)

For those here who do not have hip waders to venture into WizBlue, here's the aweasel's comments before Seagulled Wizbang last at 5:56PM

Posted by Lee Ward
Published: Jun 29, 07 04:00 PM
Looking around for something that might piss off Paul, the lead troll over at Wizbang! the only thing I could come up with was this. It's "gasp" - Michael Moore's latest film "Sicko".

The film opens today. Critics have given it so-so reviews. I don't plan to see it myself but will probably rent it on DVD in a couple months. Here's the trailer.

HughS:
Lee
Why don't you finish the discussion you started with Paul over at Wizbang? Or are you going to ad Seagull Commenting to your repertoire of debate skills?


Posted by HughS | June 29, 2007 5:14 PM

Posted on June 29, 2007 17:14

D-Hoggs :
"the only thing I could come up was this"

It's "the only thing I could come up WITH was this" jackass.
NANANANANANANANnnnnny booboo.

Posted by D-Hoggs | June 29, 2007 5:52 PM

Posted on June 29, 2007 17:52

Lee Ward:
One of your more intelligent comments, Hoggy. Thanks for the correction - fixed it -- you're going put poor old HughS out of a job though...


Posted by Lee Ward | June 29, 2007 6:18 PM

Posted on June 29, 2007 18:18

HughS:
Lee
"you're going put poor old HughS out of a job though..."

Thanks for the concern. I have a job, which is not to be confused with you. You are simply an amusement.

Posted by HughS | June 29, 2007 6:58 PM

Posted on June 29, 2007 18:58

Lee Ward:
That's the best compliment I've received all day.

Posted by Lee Ward | June 29, 2007 7:06 PM

Posted on June 29, 2007 19:06

HughS:
That's the only compliment you will receive today.
No hasten your behind to Wizbang and manfully defend your comments.

Posted by HughS | June 29, 2007 7:25 PM

Mostly what he labels as Ch... (Below threshold)
marc:

Mostly what he labels as Christian extremist views with (SHOCKING I KNOW) not a single mention of "progressives" who spew the same or worse.

Mostly what he lab... (Below threshold)
Mostly what he labels as Christian extremist views with (SHOCKING I KNOW) not a single mention of "progressives" who spew the same or worse.

Reminds me of a debate I heard about.

A Christian and an atheist are the debaters. The coin toss gives the atheist first opportunity to speak. He holds up a Bible and proclaims something like, "These Christians are very intolerant people! They believe that everything in this book is true and anything that contradicts it is false!" He continues in this vein until his time runs out.

The Christian (and I honestly forget the names of both players, sorry) has done his homework... the atheist has also written a book, and the Christian has a copy handy. Standing up for his opening remarks, he starts with, "This gentleman is a very intolerant person! He believes that everything in this book is true and anything that contradicts it is false!"

I'm sure you, Marc, see my point. I'm sure Lee won't. And I'm perfectly happy that way.

I'm sure you, Marc, see... (Below threshold)
marc:

I'm sure you, Marc, see my point. I'm sure Lee won't. And I'm perfectly happy that way.

Yeah... sure do.

Burn all libraries.

/sarc off

Burn all libraries... (Below threshold)
Burn all libraries.

No need. Lefty teachers will soon decide that reading is a holdover from the patriarchal society and demand that it be done away with. It's easier for socialists to ram their programs through if the public can't read them... as indicated by the immigration fiasco. People reading the darned bill was the problem. If they'd just let their socialist betters make all the decisions why, this country would be in as good a shape as... as... as Cuba!

Oops, sorry, started channeling a lefty there for a moment.

MikeSC"Couldn't... (Below threshold)
hellcat:

MikeSC

"Couldn't they simply turn a blog over to chimps?"

That'd be tricky as Wizbanf Main is busy defending the Chimp in the WH.

That'd be tricky a... (Below threshold)
That'd be tricky as Wizbanf Main is busy defending the Chimp in the WH.

Obviously you haven't been reading. Many of us have been raking Bush over the coals for his part in the failed immigration bill.

But a good lefty never lets facts get in the way of an insult, I guess.

ot that it's TOTALLY dea... (Below threshold)
James Cloninger:

ot that it's TOTALLY dead yet on this side of the site, but weekends are a bust


Unlike you, who spends his time in the basement on the computer 24/7, some of us like to get out and get some sunshine on Saturday.

I'm a geek. I am allergic t... (Below threshold)

I'm a geek. I am allergic to sunshine and fresh air. :p

"I'm a geek. I am allergic ... (Below threshold)
bryanD:

"I'm a geek. I am allergic to sunshine and fresh air. :p"
Posted by: C-C-G

GoodGAWD, man! C-C-GEEK (!!!) (Zip up, Wash hands, Go to bed, Kirk? Picard?)

James Clone, couldn't you at least dis my Polska Models citation? Make it interesting? But thanks for reading...

*Excellent* comment from ma... (Below threshold)

*Excellent* comment from mantis at 01:32.

When we killed Zarqawi we also killed his 15 year old wife and 2 year old son. (Do the math.)

This doesn't make me angry at Americans. It makes me angry at Zarqawi. It makes me angry at men who are fighting a war and insist on surrounding themselves with those who are truly innocent.

They know they are targets. They know we *try* to avoid killing bystanders and children (while they target marketplaces). But there is a point where our forces have to accept the choices and decisions of the enemy to place those they *ought* to be most careful of in the worst danger, and take the shot *anyway*.


bryanD[imwit], you mean you... (Below threshold)

bryanD[imwit], you mean you just now realized what the "G" stands for? It's stood for Geek ever since I came here.

A bit slow on the uptake, old man?

Steve raised an important m... (Below threshold)

Steve raised an important moral issue in his feature. Should our military knowingly allow the deaths of civilians for the sake of a high value military target?

During WWII, the end of the war brought on extensive firebombings of civilians in Dresden, Germany and Tokyo, Japan as a desperate way to wind down the war. Earlier in the war it was purely military targets that were hit and civilian deaths were greatly limited. But as war progresses, morality seems to fade as well and civilians often become major targets as well, where burning to death 100,000 men, women, children and babies in a single evening in congested cities like Tokyo somehow becomes moral for our nation under the leadership of General Curtis Lemay.

CCG: Talk about slow...And ... (Below threshold)
bryanD:

CCG: Talk about slow...And why do you ignore my Kirk/ Picard query. It's legit, and the original Star Trek is a good watch! (The others are Uber Gay, so remain silent if...!)

OT: A good link re: the CIA doc dump:

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/printpage/0,5942,21980496,00.html

And why do you ign... (Below threshold)
And why do you ignore my Kirk/ Picard query. It's legit, and the original Star Trek is a good watch! (The others are Uber Gay, so remain silent if...!)

Very well, if only to shut you up.

Neither.

Commander, later Captain Benjamin Sisko, thank you very much.

Is bryanD-irtbag really ins... (Below threshold)
jhow66:

Is bryanD-irtbag really insane? Does anything he ever post make any sense? Will he ever get out of the class on "How To Melt Steel"? Is he really the lost alien from Area 51? Will we ever know? Will he someday tell us?

C'mon, bD, 'Big Pharma'? W... (Below threshold)
kim:

C'mon, bD, 'Big Pharma'? Where do you get this stuff?
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Paul Hooson, accepting civi... (Below threshold)

Paul Hooson, accepting civilian casualties and targeting non-combatants are NOT THE SAME.

Targeting a *military* target is not the same as targeting a non-military target.

I'm not sure why this is something that I need to say to you.

The children killed in Afghanistan were not *targeted*. They weren't *deliberately* killed. We are not getting lax about our morality and have not decided that it's okay now to target innocents. We never will. Our *soldiers* never will.

When we go after a military target that is what we are going after, even if there is no way to avoid the deaths of children, that was never the goal, never the target, never what we wanted.

The sad fact of warfare is ... (Below threshold)

The sad fact of warfare is that civilian deaths are technically dismissed as "collateral damage" in combat, Synova, just like abortion is dismissed by those who dehumanize the child as a "product of conception" or some other similar technical term nonsense that eases the moral judgement imvolved, regardless of where a person stands on these life or death judgement issues.

The sad fact is that civili... (Below threshold)

The sad fact is that civilian deaths are a sad fact of warfare.

That's not what you said.

You said we start out caring and end up targeting.

Targeting is a word that has meaning. Or do you also suppose that the US military targets journalists? We don't. Nor do we target civilians or children.

The sad fact that there will be collateral damage is a sad fact. It is not by design. It is not something that could be avoided if only we'd bother to care.

Calling Zarqawi's child wife and 2 year old son "collateral damage" does not ease my moral judgement at all. The man deserves to burn in hell forever for the deaths of those two innocents. It's morally like giving your 2 year old cocaine or a loaded gun. Maybe our guys should bring their kids on patrol, huh? Why don't they?

Do you know what they are saying why the sheiks are turning on AlQaida in Iraq? Because the old perverts are demanding the sheiks' daughters as wives and then getting violent when the sheiks say no. Because the perverts need their needs met and don't care one way or the other if a girl dies in the cross-fire. Easy enough to get another one.

For some reason fathers disagree.

There is no *easing* of moral judgment, there is only anger that these people paint a target on their backs and then surround themselves with children. And why shouldn't they? If some kids get hurt they can use it to their advantage. Heck, it's better than killing an American soldier because we care about *their* children, too. We care about *all* children, no matter who's children they are.

We could not fight them at all... but it won't stop children from dying.

This doesn't make me ang... (Below threshold)
MikeSC:

This doesn't make me angry at Americans. It makes me angry at Zarqawi. It makes me angry at men who are fighting a war and insist on surrounding themselves with those who are truly innocent.

A quote from Golda Meir fits here:

"We can forgive the Palestinians for killing our children. We can never forgive them for making us kill their children"
-=Mike

Ah yes, Golda, whose German... (Below threshold)
kim:

Ah yes, Golda, whose German born Foreign Secretary spoke better accented English than our German born Secretary of State.

Mike, that is a tragic point that these idiot leftists are just too blinded by hatred to see.
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Paul Hooson you are a bigge... (Below threshold)
Paul:

Paul Hooson you are a bigger liar than Lee could ever be. (because you at least have a brain)

>Steve raised an important moral issue in his feature. Should our military knowingly allow the deaths of civilians for the sake of a high value military target?

Bull fucking Shit. He didn't "raise an important moral issue" he said the U.S. military deliberately killed children..

You went over there reading; trying desperately to find a way to spin the topic into something less abominable.

That's why I have less respect for you than even Lee.

Lee is stupid he has an excuse. You know that post is indefensible but you tried anyway.

You're pathetic.

Grow some balls and call the guy out.

Horns, too, Hooson. Ward i... (Below threshold)
kim:

Horns, too, Hooson. Ward is a cow.
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Ward is a cow.</bl... (Below threshold)
Ward is a cow.

Don't say that, he'll start wanting to be worshiped like in India!

Besides, comparing Lee to a cow is insulting... to the cows!

Nothing new since Waco. </... (Below threshold)
Gator:

Nothing new since Waco.

Nothing new since ... (Below threshold)
Nothing new since Waco.

True.

The conspiracy theory wackos just can't let it alone, can they, Gator?




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