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The Crazy [Liars] Next Door III

I got called to task the other day for comparing Wizbang Blue to that festering sewer pit Democratic Underground. The comparison was dead on. They are both stocked with demented sociopaths who don't know the truth from a lie.

Today's moonbat liar is Paul Hooson.

You might remember, because I blogged it, that the left was lying about what Ann Coulter said the other day on Good Morning America.

While on GMA, she was discussing the difference in the way the media treats things conservatives say vs what liberals say. Specifically mentioning how no one in the media was outraged when Bill Maher said he wished Dick Cheney was killed by terrorists.

She said:

"About the same time Bill Maher said... but about the same time Bill Maher was not joking in saying he wished Dick Cheney had been killed by a terrorist attack.

Um- so I've learned my lesson...

If I'm going to say anything about John Edwards in the future, I'll just wish he had been killed in a terrorist assassination plot,"

Blind to the overwhelming irony, the liberal media attacked her, taking her quote out of context; proving her point.

Following their lead, one of Blue's resident moonbats Paul Hooson even made a special little graphic to take the quote out of context.

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The kicker is that while I offered you the video segment in its entirety to let you make up your mind from the original source as it aired, if you clicked the link in Hooson's graphic it took you to a special edited version of the video.

Just like the Soviets of yore, the Communists in China of today and dictators all throughout history, the liberals on Wizbang Blue want to edit the media you see for your own good.

If you wonder why the liberals are trying to figure out how to take conservatives off talk radio, just read a few back issues of Pravda (or Wizbang Blue) and it will all become clear. The truth -as they say- is inconvenient.


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What I can't wait for is ho... (Below threshold)
Paul:

What I can't wait for is how that well known defender of "the truth" Lee Ward is going to spin this on.

Ironically, he'll probably ... (Below threshold)
Paul:

Ironically, he'll probably call me the liar.

I've <a href="http://wizban... (Below threshold)
Lee Ward:

I've already answered in the comment thread of the post you iinked to, Paul, which I'm sure you saw since you posted one of your little troll droppings in the same comment thread. You'll just have to be patient.

No doubt Paul. It's good t... (Below threshold)
Tony:

No doubt Paul. It's good to see someone finally take on the crackheads who troll this blog (and then get their own 'Blue' version).

I just don't understand how... (Below threshold)
jhow66:

I just don't understand how you can talk about such a upstanding true "blueblood" blogmaster. snicker snort

You'll just have t... (Below threshold)
You'll just have to be patient.

Lee has to go consult with the gang at DU.

Coulter is a miserable insa... (Below threshold)
Sonoma:

Coulter is a miserable insane cunt, and it's hysterical to see her little boy groupies here defending such a piece of trash like her. Is she that valuable to your cause?


Are all the wizbang sorry excuses for men that hard up?


So um Lee... Do you denounc... (Below threshold)
Paul:

So um Lee... Do you denounce Blue's edited version of the video as A LIE?

I know you can spot a liar at 50 paces.

Paul,What... (Below threshold)
Mac Lorry:

Paul,

What I can't wait for is how that well known defender of "the truth" Lee Ward is going to spin this on.

Over the last year or so I have seen Lee proven wrong factually and logically a number of times. That's not unusual because if you comment enough someone is going to catch you in a factual or logical error; it just goes with the territory. What is unusual is that I have never seen Lee responds with any sort of correction. He seems oblivious to both facts and reason as if he were cult leader who must appear infallible to keep control of the cult.

It looks like you already figured that out and are trying to save people from drinking that blue Kool-Aid. I only hope you can save some.

the real question is are th... (Below threshold)
jp:

the real question is are the commie trolls/liars/stalinist just average citizens blogging(Useful Idiots), or are they paid off by Soros and company? Or worse part of the Jihadist online front trying to divide and conquer this great nation?

Sonoma, I don't know why yo... (Below threshold)
Zelsdorf Ragshaft III:

Sonoma, I don't know why you are calling Ann Coulter names, you are the one who Can't Understand Normal Thinking. Ann speaks truth to stupidity. Kind of riles you up don't it. Coulter is mild compared to the cowshit you get at DK or DU. Sonoma you are from whine country.

Sonoma,Relatively ... (Below threshold)
Son Of The Godfather:

Sonoma,

Relatively speaking (writing), Ann is unimportant to our "cause"... We just love her cuz she seems to get folks like you all in a tizzy, foaming at the mouth, and spewing vulgarities...

It amuses us!

Zeldorf, Sonoma can't refut... (Below threshold)

Zeldorf, Sonoma can't refute Ann's arguments so he resorts to name-calling.

Typical lefty behavior.

I think Coulter summed up t... (Below threshold)
jp:

I think Coulter summed up the motivations behind these people pretty well in her column:

http://www.breitbart.com/anncoultercolumn.html

"So for those of you who haven't read any of my five best-selling books: Liberals are driven by Satan and lie constantly."

In a way, we have ourselves... (Below threshold)

In a way, we have ourselves to blame, in that we tend to play too nice to the moonbat crowd and try to rise above them (easy enough to do). What is refreshing is to see someone like Ann throw kerosene at the lunatics and watch them go crazy. Never do you see any sort of reasoned retort against Ann from liberals. In fact, it is to our discredit that the best retorts come from fellow conservatives who want her to "play nice." Screw that.

Ok, this is getting all man... (Below threshold)

Ok, this is getting all manner of boring...

>Ok, this is getting all ma... (Below threshold)
Paul:

>Ok, this is getting all manner of boring...

YOU? I have to type all this crap. ;-)

Ann Coulter is a bomb throw... (Below threshold)

Ann Coulter is a bomb throwing biotch -- but she's our bomb throwing biotch. She makes me wince, and I don't think she's helpful most of the time.

That said, Hooson and Ward are just wingnut bomb throwers of a lower order, and their dishonesty in presenting the latest Coulter controversy is typical. They know what they do, and they have no shame in doing it. Dirtbags, really.

Ya gotta admit, Wavemaker, ... (Below threshold)

Ya gotta admit, Wavemaker, it is sort of fun watching the lefties froth at the mouth over her, tho.

I'm curious as to Lee's cla... (Below threshold)
kevin:

I'm curious as to Lee's claim that Maher's comment has been taken out of context.

Here's what drives the Left... (Below threshold)

Here's what drives the Left nuts about Coulter: she's smart, quick and suffers little the ignorance and shallowness that forms the basis of what goes for left opinion these days.

The Wiz Blue nuts really hate this, and I suspect Sonoma harbors other resentments.

Coulter is an Ivy League honors graduate, was an Editor of the University of Michigan Law Review (no small accomplishment that is well known among those out there who practice law; it's practically automatic ticket to any firm in the country) and then she clerked for an Appeals Court Judge.

She eschewed the predictable route of a lucrative law practice in the private sector. Instead, she bet her career on publishing her ideas. She has been a best selling author on the NYT list for years.

Also, the premise of his ar... (Below threshold)
kevin:

Also, the premise of his article is ludicrous. In case you didn't notice, he is claming that Ann Coulter's outrageous remarks encourage terrorism.

I'm curious as to Lee... (Below threshold)

I'm curious as to Lee's claim that Maher's comment has been taken out of context

You'll not get a cogent, well considered and thoughtful response from Ward on this. He failed in his argument the first time with Paul several days ago, hid from Paul yesterday and will only do a brief fly over, defecate and run response again.
Lee is not a serious debater. He is a very effective distraction because he brought the art of obnoxious meaningless retort to its highest form....the Seagull Comment.

>Also, the premise of his a... (Below threshold)
Paul:

>Also, the premise of his article is ludicrous. In case you didn't notice, he is claming that Ann Coulter's outrageous remarks encourage terrorism.

You actually read it? Stronger stomach than me. lol

(now watch one of the moonbats quote me without the LOL and try to say I make posts about things I don't read.)

Wavemaker, you can call Ann... (Below threshold)
Zelsdorf Ragshaft III:

Wavemaker, you can call Ann anything you want to, but I defy you to prove anything she says wrong. I have been paying attention to her for a while, and I like her confrontational style. Why let the left get away with the BS that they try. Someone must speak truth to stupidity. When the left has to modify what she has said to make her point, she has made her point. The subject of this post is a perfect example of what Ann Coulter is all about. I you don't like what she has to say or write then don't listen or read her stuff, but that does not make her wrong. I would love to see Ann take Olbermann down a peg or two. Only a slease bag like Chris Matthews would sandbag a guest like he did with Coulter. Could you imagine O'Reilly having Bill Clinton on and having Juanita Broderick on the line? That would be a pay per view monment.

Wow, looks like there are m... (Below threshold)
Sonoma:

Wow, looks like there are more pathetic failed men here than I thought, defending their jerk off material like it was a duty. Jerk faster, Huge aSs, then maybe you can forget about that tub of guts you call a wife.

Must be her adams apple that gets all these losers here so excited.

Who knew the right has such a tranny fetish?


Paul(now watch... (Below threshold)

Paul
(now watch one of the moonbats quote me without the LOL and try to say I make posts about things I don't read.)

That will happen tomorrow am around 3EDT or in a few days. Lee, in particular, can't even remember (or won't remember)what he wrote on a given day. He assumes the same of us.

Wow, looks like there... (Below threshold)

Wow, looks like there are more pathetic failed men here than I thought, defending their jerk off material like it was a duty. Jerk faster, Huge aSs, then maybe you can forget about that tub of guts you call a wife.

Must be her adams apple that gets all these losers here so excited.

Who knew the right has such a tranny fetish?


Posted by: Sonoma at June 30, 2007 06:54 PM

That's one for the archives....and as I said:

I suspect Sonoma harbors other resentments

Sonoma, the 'adams apple' t... (Below threshold)
F15C:

Sonoma, the 'adams apple' thing is grade school name calling and graspingly pathetic. Let's get real, you couldn't exist in the same room with Coulter. You'd run screaming like your hair's on fire with your micro-penis retreating into your gut so fast it'll leave a dent where is used to almost protrude.

Go back under your rock, rejoin the other slime, and fester. Go.

Oh no, it's just the opposi... (Below threshold)
Sonoma:

Oh no, it's just the opposite, Huge Ass.

It's just as fun for me watching the drooling fanboys who lick the cheese from Man's bobbing adam's apple as if I insulted the queen or something. Funny, for a bitch who makes her living talking shit about other people because that's all she can do, her and her idiot acolytes have very thin skin. Can dish it out but they sure can't take it.

But keep on defending some miserable cunt who said the 9-11 widows enjoyed their husbands death. No decent human being would ever say somethign like that, just to sell books no less, but she is not decent, neither are the morons who read and believe her tripe. Duh, liberals are traitors, duhhhhhh....

But she makes the liberals squirm, woo hoo. What an accomplishment, as if that's hard to do.
Sounds like 1st graders shit to me, calling names to get a rise out of people.

Then again, you morons still think BUsh is a good preznit and that the war in Iraq is going swell, so who cares what you think? History left you behind as the losers that you are so you can contend with that for the weekend, bye now children!

bye now children!<... (Below threshold)
bye now children!

Oh, good, he's leaving.

Don't hurry back, ya hear?

Sonoma had to leave cause s... (Below threshold)
xray:

Sonoma had to leave cause she was kicked off the library's computer so the other homeless could get a chance to post on their favorite sites. Must be sad to be poor, smelly and unwanted like Sonoma. All that hate would be dangerous in someone who was not a do-nothing coward.

My only complaint about Cou... (Below threshold)
bryanD:

My only complaint about Coulter is this: She only takes on the easy ones. Issues, that is. No pioneer, she.
And her writing is sub-par (in her columns anyway). "Liberuhlz" A more exact description is needed post-Cold War/Comintern. Really. (Bush ran on a liberal platform in '00)
And her site comments section is always closed to new registrations. Despite (last I checked) being administratively patrolled by some old wingnut named Herp with a hat.
Of course, I admire skinny old bats who can present bare legs with no need for hosiery. Bravo.

C-C-G: Have you been online... (Below threshold)
bryanD:

C-C-G: Have you been online for 24 or 48 straight hours here?

Please pass the space dust! 8D

Oh no, it's just the ... (Below threshold)

Oh no, it's just the opposite, Huge Ass.......well, of course it is. Talk to me about it.

Sounds like 1st graders shit to me, calling names to get a rise out of people....but that's also an accurate title to your posts here, Sonoma.

some miserable cunt who said the 9-11 widows enjoyed their husbands death......you must be referring to the Jersey Girls, who allowed ruthless Democrats to politicize and exploit their husbands' tragic deaths. Tell me, what can the Jersey Girls say they have today as a result of that exploitation?

Then again, you morons still think BUsh is a good preznit and that the war in Iraq is going swell, so who cares what you think? History left you behind as the losers that you are so you can contend with that for the weekend, bye now children!...you're real name is Deb Frisch, right?

Can dish it out but they sure can't take it....Yeah, right Sonoma. She wrote several NYT bestsellers, appeared on national television and radio with critics and then you lecture her and us on being thin skinned. Hypocrite.

Sonoma, let me list just from your comments the vernacular of the thin skinned: "bitch,cunt,moron,shit,insane, little boy groupies,jerk off, jerk faster, tub of guts you call a wife,tranny fetish"

Sonoma, the whole 'adams ap... (Below threshold)
F15C:

Sonoma, the whole 'adams apple' thing is hilarious in fifth grade, but not so much in adult world. Matter of fact, I would call your little written squeals above childish, but that would be an insult to children.

From your writing it is painfully obvious that you are afraid to actually deal with real people so you write what you pathetically think are stinging retorts - which are, in fact, windows into your tiny little pathetic mind.

So now, put down the tweezers holding your micro-penis and let it retreat into back into your gut where you can see it clearly, as your head is obviously way up your ass.

While it's good to call the... (Below threshold)
marc:

While it's good to call the demented sociopaths at Blue what they are it matters little to them.

In fact I tend to believe they take great pride in being the nonsensical bomb-throwers they are.

P.S. Lee when are you going to stop being a thief? It's been 48 hours since your unmasking.

One would think you would have at the very least respect for your kind host (Kevin) and not put him in a position of fending off Time Mags lawyers, but I guess not.

But I'm hardly surprised.

But keep on defending so... (Below threshold)
MikeSC:

But keep on defending some miserable cunt who said the 9-11 widows enjoyed their husbands death. No decent human being would ever say somethign like that

The left has said DRAMATICALLY worse about the current administration.
-=Mike

Apologies for the double-is... (Below threshold)
F15C:

Apologies for the double-ish posting. The first timed out and did not show for awhile so I edited it a bit for grammar... :)

But, if nothing else, Sonoma deserves it.

BryanDMy only ... (Below threshold)

BryanD
My only complaint about Coulter is this: She only takes on the easy ones. Issues, that is. No pioneer, she.

Wrong on that one Bryan. Coulter wrote an iconoclastic treatment of Joe McCarthy. McCarthy was, and is still, the third rail of the conservative movement. That she wrote it took guts and nerve, not to mention a lot of unimpeachable research. No easy one,that. Pioneer, yes. The wagons were were all moving in another direction.

Everyone who thinks Sonoma ... (Below threshold)
Eric Forhan:

Everyone who thinks Sonoma is a pimple-faced boy with an Ann Coulter crush, raise your hand.

Only a slease bag ... (Below threshold)
John in CA:
Only a slease bag like Chris Matthews would sandbag a guest like he did with Coulter. Could you imagine O'Reilly having Bill Clinton on and having Juanita Broderick on the line? That would be a pay per view monment.

Better than that is if BroomHillary wins the demo nomination, having her on a show and Juanita Broderick or one of the others call in and ask how she can claim to support women's rights and still condone her husband's behavior.

I wonder if BroomHillary's head would explode. Nah, it would never happen. She won't go on a show unless it's carefully controlled and scripted. She has to know it will be a lovefest before she'll agree.

Actually seeing how the Joh... (Below threshold)

Actually seeing how the John Edwards camp has manipulated a Coulter ironic statement into a faux-outraged "I'm offended" event...even to having Matthews set-up Coulter to be unctuously sandbagged by Elizabeth ... and then the Edwards camp has flogged the "say 'no' to hate speech" in a constant barrage of beg-a-thon emails (I'm on the campaign email list for the giggles)... I'd be interested to know Hooson is on Edwards payroll.

Such dishonesty on Hooson's part is rarely innocent.

An excellent question, Darl... (Below threshold)

An excellent question, Darleen. Perhaps someone should check Edwards' donor records.

That's the truth John. ... (Below threshold)
Rob LA Ca.:

That's the truth John. Just like they pulled out of being held accountable when they tucked tail and ran from FOX NEWS as fast as they could. Then someone like hansel will whine about me calling them what they are , Criminal frauds.

That was funny Zel,lol Somona WHINE. BRACES & HEAD GEAR?

"Wrong on that one Bryan. C... (Below threshold)
bryanD:

"Wrong on that one Bryan. Coulter wrote an iconoclastic treatment of Joe McCarthy. McCarthy was, and is still, the third rail of the conservative movement. That she wrote it took guts and nerve, not to mention a lot of unimpeachable research. _Hugh S"

I'll bite!
I'll assume her bio was favorable. A 100% safe position (if it was), because, through the haze of time, McCarthy has been re-written as a prophet by the New Right, which is a Roman Catholic construct (the New Right, that is), and the "anti-communist" witch hunts of the late 1940s-1954, were a diversion from the Ratline revelations bubbling up beneath the surface at the time. The Hitler-Mussolini-King Victor Emmanuel-Franco-Defender of the Faith thing was not unnoticed by WASP America.
Also, McCarthy's complaints were, in the end, against Army/civil regulations. There were already loyalty oaths (instated by Truman) to cover supposed treason. Plus McCarthy's lists kept disappearing, shrinking,etc.
If Coulter was ANTI-McCarthy, I'm all wet, and I'll agree she was a pioneer.
And, yes, Truman was a skunk who let traitors through the back door in his administration, but McCarthy was more interested in army dentists.

Good Heavens, Ann Coulter i... (Below threshold)
kim:

Good Heavens, Ann Coulter is Miss Manners and Mother Theresa combined compared to the Sonoma Deserter.
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P.S. Lee when are ... (Below threshold)
John in CA:
P.S. Lee when are you going to stop being a thief? It's been 48 hours since your unmasking.

His excuse for not correcting his criminal behavior was pathetic. All he had to do was correct/edit the post and put a note explaining what he did and why.

But nope, leeward can't do that. That would be acknowledging, right up front, that he screwed up. You know a socialist can't do that.

"Specifically mentioning... (Below threshold)
Bustem:

"Specifically mentioning how no one in the media was outraged when Bill Maher said he wished Dick Cheney was killed by terrorists." Paul, as crazy as those he accuses

and...

"but about the same time Bill Maher was not joking in saying he wished Dick Cheney had been killed by a terrorist attack." Mann (Adam's apple) Coulter

Paul is by far more off-based than those he accuses. And so is Mann Coulter.

Maher never did say that he WISHED that Cheney had been killed.

Paul & Coulter are the LIARS that Paul accuses in his deliberate missrepresentation of what Maher said.

In fact, what Maher said was, "But I have zero doubt that if Dick Cheney was not in power, people wouldn't be dying needlessly tomorrow."

And again Maher said, "I'm just saying if he did die, other people, more people would live. That's a fact."

So Paul is the Crazy LIAR as is Mann Coulter when they say that Maher wished for the death of Cheney at terrorists' hands.

It is indeed ironic that the actual quotes can be found at, of all places, NewsMax.

What Maher said is fact: fewer people would die tomorrow if Cheney were not in office &/or died. That is a fact and it is a fact that MAHER NEVER SAID THAT HE WISHED THAT CHENEY HAD BEEN KILLED.

Paul & Mann Coulter are the DELIBERATE DISTORTERS & LIARS.

Paul, you have no credibility. If you were as much of a mann as Mann Coulter, you would apologize for your distortions. But then, unlike the masculine Mann, you are probably one of the girlie-boys.

should be "misrepresent."</... (Below threshold)
Bustem:

should be "misrepresent."

It's downright laughable ho... (Below threshold)
Bustem:

It's downright laughable how the Wiz automatons above are howling & screeching over something they know not because they believe anything that they read that fulfills their bilious distortions of fact and reality.

Not one of you above buttholes ever saw the Maher program or read the actual quotes from Maher.

Instead, you all go off like ranting lunatics carping about something that is not factually true as Paul has posted it.

Paul is a sloppy, if not lying poster, who couldn't give a damn about accuracy or integrity.

For him, any gross lie will do and he can depend upon the Wizbang idiots to gobble it up and digest it as one more nurtient of their know-nothing being.

What a puking pack of fools!

YOU? I have to type all... (Below threshold)

YOU? I have to type all this crap. ;-)

If it is any consolation, I would not mind if you did not.

BryanMcCarth... (Below threshold)

Bryan

McCarthy has been re-written as a prophet by the New Right, which is a Roman Catholic construct (the New Right, that is),

WHERE?

The Hitler-Mussolini-King Victor Emmanuel-Franco-Defender of the Faith thing was not unnoticed by WASP America.

WHERE?

And where is Joseph Welch in your analysis? And the cropped photo? (ask Lee Ward for definition)

You left out Eisenhower...automatic zero. A famous Boston Law Firm. Zero.

Admit it...you looked this up somewhere, cut and pasted it and don't have any idea what you're talkiing about.

Here's a tip: Roy Cohen would throw your whole comment out on the basis of ignorance. And that's being kind. What was Roy's conflict? Who is the General at the center of the case?

Bryan
Here's the easy way out: just don't comment.

Blind to the overwhelmin... (Below threshold)

Blind to the overwhelming irony, the liberal media attacked her, taking her quote out of context; proving her point.

Coulter is being a bit too clever here. She doesn't just throw out these jokes spontaneously; she clearly writes her stuff up in advance with the objective of provoking outrage so she will get coverage in the media and blogosphere which consequently helps her sell more books.

I find your explanation of the "overwhelming irony" a bit weak. The idea that someone can say whatever they want so long as they preface it with a reference to another person who said a similar thing is patently absurd. Maher was wrong to saw what he did and Coulter was wrong to make her joke as well. I don't have any tolerance for people making jokes about terrorist attacks on our public officials regardless of their ideology. I found the Canadian movie about a fictitious Bush assassination plot nauseating.

Similarly, Coulter's explanation about her "faggot" joke is also a bit too clever. This type of homophobic slander doesn't have any place in our society in my opinion. Ask yourself this, did Coulter's faggot joke and the one about Edwards dying in a terrorist plot pass the "funny" test? Absolutely not. You know a joke is bad when it needs an explanation.

It reminds me of Rush's convoluted explanations about how his "Barack the Magic Negro" isn't really racist and isn't about Barack Obama. If a lot of people perceive his spoof as racist (and a lot do) then it is by definition. Clever explanations don't obscure that.

Paul Hooson was right on to take on Coulter and it pleases me to no end that certain Wizbang authors feel motivated to come to her defense. Like I said, in my comment on Hooson's piece, give Coulter a megaphone. Her brand of hatemongering speech will do nothing but help the Democrats cement their lock on the electorate for years to come.


Her brand of hatem... (Below threshold)
Her brand of hatemongering speech will do nothing but help the Democrats cement their lock on the electorate for years to come.

Let's see... Ann's first book was published in 1998, and her column went national around 1999 or so.

Let's look at the elections since then:

2000: GOP wins White House, retains control of Congress.
2002: GOP retains control of Congress again.
2004: GOP retains White House and control of Congress.
2006: Dems take control of Congress.

So, we're still winning in 3 of 4 elections since Ann's been nationally recognized. And any pro-lefty effect she may have had took, what, 8 years to appear?

Yeah, she's good for the Party of the Donkey, all right.

LarkinC... (Below threshold)

Larkin

Coulter is being a bit too clever here. She doesn't just throw out these jokes spontaneously; she clearly writes her stuff up in advance with the objective of provoking outrage so she will get coverage in the media and blogosphere which consequently helps her sell more books.

Well, color her MSM. Let me think....Mary Mapes, Dan Rather?

Maher was wrong to saw what he did...who was ambushed by MSNBC? Certainly I think Coulter should stand up for herself but which broadcsat programs set Maher up with a call from, say, Karl Rove?

As to "Barack the Magic Negro" isn't really racist and isn't about Barack Obama. If a lot of people perceive his spoof as racist (and a lot do) then it is by definition. Clever explanations don't obscure that."...he drew that literally from the Los Angeles Times, so if perception is reality, then let the LA Times explain.

"Ya gotta admit, Wavemak... (Below threshold)
Bustem:

"Ya gotta admit, Wavemaker, it is sort of fun watching the lefties froth at the mouth over her, tho." C-C-G

Yea, about as much the same kind of fun watching b-wipe righties like you froth over Michael Moore & Keith Olberman.

"who [Mann Coulter] ... (Below threshold)
Bustem:

"who [Mann Coulter] was ambushed by MSNBC?" Hugh S(uccophant)

Hey, you dumb, know-nothing Republican b-wipe, Mann Coulter was not ambushed as you repeat like some dim-witted automaton.

As Matthews described the following night, Ms Bobbing Adam's Apple was consulted and asked about taking the call before the show went on air and she agreed.

Perhaps in your right-wing Fantasyland, Mann was ambushed, but the fact is that she was not.

Once again you rightie pukes don't have your facts in line. But hey, in your world, the oft-repeated lie always becomes the fact.

Bustem, or should I say Son... (Below threshold)
John F Not Kerry:

Bustem, or should I say Sonoma, you must be a hoot at parties!

As Matthews described... (Below threshold)

As Matthews described the following night...why should I believe him?

Once again you rightie pukes don't have your facts in line....my facts aren't in line with yours, but unlike you, I don't require rectal metaphors to emphasize my point. What is it with the scatological preoccupation of you lefties?

"why should I believe hi... (Below threshold)
Bustem:

"why should I believe him?"
Hugh S(uccophant)

Oh, I dunno. Perhaps it's because it was his show and he knows the backstory.

You got any proof of your baseless b-wipe claim that she/it was ambushed? I'm quite sure you don't, but as I described above, you'll keep right on w/ your baseless LIE. The "ambush" allegation has already fiction-become-fact on the kook rightie blogs.

So, you succophant, to paraphrase the delusional Ms. DuBois, "you've always depended upon the kindness of Fantasyland."

Bustem, I don't know if you... (Below threshold)
Zelsdorf Ragshaft III:

Bustem, I don't know if you are wrong or a liar, so I will give you the benefit of the doubt and say liar. Coulter stated on the Glen Beck show that she was told seconds before she went on Hardball that Elizabeth Edwards might call. How much time did Matthews devote to letting Edwards attack his guest, dening Coulter response time? I guess maybe you are both wrong and a liar. Who knew?

"And where is Joseph Welch ... (Below threshold)
bryanD:

"And where is Joseph Welch in your analysis? And the cropped photo? (ask Lee Ward for definition)
You left out Eisenhower...automatic zero. A famous Boston Law Firm. Zero....Here's a tip: Roy Cohen would throw your whole comment out on the basis of ignorance. And that's being kind. What was Roy's conflict? Who is the General at the center of the case?"

Jos Welch had a junior employee of his law firm who was a past member of the Communist party. He had agreed with Roy Cohn (McCarthy's brains) to abstain from mentioning such in the hearings (Army-McCarthy), but the drunken McCarthy, to gain tactical points brought him up anyway. Roy Cohn tried to signal McCarthy off, because the gentlemans' agreement was: (re:Cohn-Welch) don't bring up Welch's employees' background, and Welch won't bring up Cohn's past attempts to get his drafted male lover out of active military duty.
Despite McCarthy's abrogating the agreement, Welch didn't mention Cohn's "friend/partner".
All Welch did do was pronounce those famous words: "Have you no shame...etc"

That was Cohn's conflict: his homosexual secret (which Welch did not betray), but which McCarthy was all too willing to for re-election purposes. The whole hub-bub was tied to McCarthy's electoral career from election cycle to election cycle. The first list was dreamed up during a Wisconsin campaign speaking engagement to a Womens' Group. He met with a certain Priest at dinner the night before (see: The Glory and the Dream, Manchester)

PS: Eisenhower hated McCarthy's guts.


"McCarthy has been re-written as a prophet by the New Right, which is a Roman Catholic construct (the New Right, that is),

WHERE?"

Look up New Right. WF Buckley, Angleton's CIA, RC conversions are deriguer today among neocon gentiles looking for job security. Fox news :)


Ahh, by going in under a di... (Below threshold)
xray:

Ahh, by going in under a different name and the library let Bustem/Sonoma back on the other public access computer. Too bad you can't afford one of those new i-phones, then you could post directly from your trash bin house.

Does "bustem" smell like a ... (Below threshold)
jhow66:

Does "bustem" smell like a dirty sock to you?

Bustem If a lot... (Below threshold)

Bustem

If a lot of people perceive his spoof as racist (and a lot do) then it is by definition.

My argument is with your idea that perception is all.

Wrong. Poisonously wrong.

For example, by your logic the public official forced from office as a "racist" for using the word "niggardly" in a letter was legitimate. And moslem rioting over the offense of Danish Cartoons, or Koran flushing is legitimate ... because if it was perceived as such, then it is by definition ...

The author's intentions rule.

Whether Coulter was mispreceiving Maher is immaterial. Her ironic statement was if his wishing Cheney dead (and the contention that less people would have "died" if he was dead is not fact but is indecent bullshit) didn't get bad press then she should use Maher's language rather than the one that caught so much flack. She was making a point of the DOUBLE STANDARD when it comes to people taking "offense"...having less to do with what is said and more to do with WHO is saying it.

Now, I'm not a Coulter fan. You'll find not one word of her on my blog. I don't buy her books and I find her too narcisitic for my tastes. Unlike...say Michael Moore ... she occupies absolutely NO official connection to either the Republican party or conservative movement. She was fired from the National Review for her intemperate remarks and she was taken to task by conservatives.

However, even for people we don't particularly care for, we have a tendency to stand up when they are treated unfairly. For those right of center the personal is NOT the political. Politics doesn't substitute for religion like it does on the Left. Thus we tend to view those we disagree with as "mistaken", not as "evil" or filled with "malevolence" or as always having nefarious ulterior motives.

There is no hate like a Leftist ranting about an apostate, say like the Left on Joe Lieberman

Unless it's Islamists still seething about Rushdie.

It kind of explains why the Left is always apologizing for jihadists. Like recognizes like.

Don't know about her oder, ... (Below threshold)
xray:

Don't know about her oder, but Bustem/Sonoma's writing does smell extensively of jealousy. Just another bitter woman left on the side of the road of life, living in her dumpster under the bridge to nowhere.

"Now, I'm not a Coulter ... (Below threshold)
Bustem:

"Now, I'm not a Coulter fan. You'll find not one word of her on my blog" Darleen

I'm quite certain that no one would find anything on your blog since it likely is as illiterate as your coment on this thread.

BTW, Darllen, the quote that you began w/ was not mine.

And you, Darleen the Dim, write, "(and the contention that less people would have "died" if he was dead is not fact but is indecent bullshit)"

1st- "less" should be "fewer" unless your domicile is Mississippi.

2nd-there would be far fewer dead is indeed fact, because the murdering liar, Cheney, would not have been around to lead Our Chimp into a war of Cheney's devising. You can't really blame the Chimp because, typically, monkeys see, monkeys do. If you quibble w/ this, then see Bruce Fein's ( yes, the right-wing Asst AG under Reagan) article, Impeach Cheney.

That would be enough to at least wish that Cheney had never been born. And that likely would explain why his parents are surely in Hell for not having aborted.

I wonder if one of the Powe... (Below threshold)

I wonder if one of the Powers That Be here got tired of Sonoma and banned him, so he had to come up with a new name. :D

Bustem the bombastic bastar... (Below threshold)

Bustem the bombastic bastard

there would be far fewer dead is indeed fact, because the murdering liar, Cheney, would not have been around to lead Our Chimp into a war of Cheney's devising. You can't really blame the Chimp because, typically, monkeys see, monkeys do.

You do as most Left cultists do... believe your opinion, produced by the emanations of your withered gonads, passes for facts.

My, you are a piece of work.

meshugga schmuck

meshugga schmuck</... (Below threshold)
meshugga schmuck

I haven't heard that since the kind old Jewish gentleman I sort of adopted as a grandfather passed away.

Brings back some fond memories. :)

You want to go easy on the ... (Below threshold)
Robert the Original:

You want to go easy on the guy.

He is a sensitive lad and his mother is a sheep.

His support group - four legs and two - nod in approval at anything he does or says, so thankfull they are that he has gonads at all, withered though they may be.

So, bD, were the words "Hav... (Below threshold)
kim:

So, bD, were the words "Have you no shame" then about a broken agreement?
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kim: yep. Thus the obtusene... (Below threshold)
bryanD:

kim: yep. Thus the obtuseness of the "speech".

"Maher never did say tha... (Below threshold)

"Maher never did say that he WISHED that Cheney had been killed."

No, but he said what he said while defending those who DID say it. And that is the very premise Coulter based her comment on.

Just like Lee, you leave the context out of what Maher said to make it seem innocuous and you leave the context out of what Coulter said to make it seem pure evil.

Then you go on with:
"What Maher said is fact: fewer people would die tomorrow if Cheney were not in office &/or died."

While you're harping on being factual, you go and throw that in there? Holy crap! What Maher said merely falls in line with your beliefs. There's not one iota of fact there until you can prove it.

This stuff gets pointed out to you people over and over and you STILL don't get it.

Paul, Bustem is Lee. NO dou... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

Paul, Bustem is Lee. NO doubt. Same working, same insults. He is masquerading so he does not have to answer to you.

Ann Coulter needs no defence. She does it well on her own. Ann said as she was approaching the chair for the Mathews interview, the producer told her Edwards "may" call in. That is the most recent episode of the MSM in the pocket for the dimmers.

Paul, you should have rules on your posts about how far a person could go with foul language. It so lowers the debate.

Ann does a fine job of keeping the lefties in there place. She plays their game. She lets nothing get by if she disagrees. It is a shame that all the lefties can do is make fun of how she looks. So compassionate they are. ww

Zelsdorf,I wasn't ... (Below threshold)

Zelsdorf,

I wasn't questioning the correctness of the content -- I wassaying that I don't like her style. She is a "polemecist," and it is unbearably grating (to me anyway).

But since you've brought it up, I think even she herself has acknowledged that some of her fact claims have required correction.

You know that is not the ge... (Below threshold)
kim:

You know that is not the generally understood meaning of those words, 'Have you no shame', don't you bD? Do you know what that generally understood meaning is?
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Paul, you should have ru... (Below threshold)

Paul, you should have rules on your posts about how far a person could go with foul language. It so lowers the debate.

LOL Wild Willie!

Guess you didn't see this comment by Paul on Wizbang Blue:


Well, Hooson... I thought you where a bit different.

I thoguht you where one of the sane ones.

Now I see you're PURPOSELY taking the Coulter quote out of context and I realize you're an intellectually dishonest piece of shit like the rest of them.

And to think you got pissed because I labeled ALL of you crazy... Dude, you fucking earned your stripes.

You pathetic lying sack of shit.


So Wild Willie, what do you think of your hero now?

Larkin, can't you see when ... (Below threshold)
kim:

Larkin, can't you see when the use of profanity ELEVATES the debate?
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Just another day in the lif... (Below threshold)
Mitchell:

Just another day in the life of a mindless liberal. Nothing new here.

Larkin, you are being paran... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

Larkin, you are being paranoid. Could I have meant generally? Is there a specific person or reference I cited? BOO! ww

Paul, Bustem is Le... (Below threshold)
Paul, Bustem is Lee. NO doubt. Same working, same insults. He is masquerading so he does not have to answer to you.

I thought Bustem was more reminiscent of JFO.

But maybe Lee is behind both Bustem and JFO... that would explain a lot of things.

So after 80+ comments, wher... (Below threshold)

So after 80+ comments, where's Lee with his devastating explanation that will send Paul scurrying under his bed into a fetal ball sucking his thumb?

Anyone? Bueller?

So what happens when conser... (Below threshold)

So what happens when conservatives show up on DU or Kos? They get banned.

What happens when liberals, even demented moonbats, show up on Wizbang? Kevin sets them up with their own blog.

This contrast is always worth pointing out.

Can you imagine DU or Kos s... (Below threshold)

Can you imagine DU or Kos setting up "DU Red" or "Kos Red"?

Paul, point one:I don't thi... (Below threshold)

Paul, point one:I don't think that the lowbrow hate speech brand of humor of Coulter that jokingly promotes assassinations against public figures or terrorism on American soil is good for our country. How does that make me a liar?

Coulter probably picked up her very crass humor style while hanging around with the publisher son of PENTHOUSE Magazine, Bob Guccione,Jr. But even the crass humor of Larry Flynt would not jokingly promote terrorism on American soil. Flynt is too much of a patriot to stoop to Coulter's level of humor. Coulter just doesn't have good sense or taste to wish for terrorism on American soil, even as a joke. Her hateful comments are not even comparable to the great social comics of the past like Lenny Bruce or Mort Saul.

Any right thinking American wants America to be safe and secure from extremism and terrorism, while Coulter jokes that assassins or terrorists should decide our political leadership out of the barrel of a gun. There's a huge difference in moral evolution between the two viewpoints. Coulter is wrong.

Point two: Federal copyright law limits the amount of material that can presented under "fair use" for educational or news purposes. Legally no website can really legally present an entire copyrighted program or segment such as the entire copyrighted GOOD MORNING AMERICA segment, so only the portion that is allowable under "fair use" is presented in which the offensive comments by Coulter were presented. If you don't like this legal standard, Paul, then you better change federal law. Our Wizbang Blue website presented what we believe to be the legally allowed limit under "fair use" while you present an entire copyrighted segment which may actually violate ABC copyright ownership standards or federal copyright law as presenting an entire program segment. There was no intent at Wizbang Blue to "slant" Coulter's copyrighted segment, but to present that portion of her offending comments that are legally allowed as "fair use". That's not PRAVDA, that's closely following federal law.

Paul, your coments here probably didn't even warrant a response. I think your comments easily fall under their their own weight. But, I hope you become a serious journalist like the others here at Wizbang soon and begin to write responsible journalism soon and get out of your style of confrontational attack journalism soon. Otherwise, I recommend to join the World Wrestling Federation and write trash-talk attack scripts there.

For anyone who cares, Buste... (Below threshold)
Paul:

For anyone who cares, Bustem is not Sonoma is not Lee.

Sonoma is however about 10 other people over the last few months... A tactic that is bordering on getting that person banned.

================
Sonoma- Just pick a damn name and sick with it... What? You're afraid your blathering nonsense will come back to haunt you like it does Lee?

THANKS Hooson... MAN is THA... (Below threshold)
Paul:

THANKS Hooson... MAN is THAT going to make a great post...

EVERYONE leave him comment alone... I got it. Oh this is going to be fun.

Paul, is Bustem also JFO? O... (Below threshold)

Paul, is Bustem also JFO? Or is JFO another Sonoma sock-puppet?

Oh, and can't wait for your reply to Hooson.

so only the portion that... (Below threshold)

so only the portion that is allowable under "fair use" is presented in which the offensive comments by Coulter were presented.

Jaysus on a Pony... what chutzpah!

How much is camp Edwards paying you?

Just to add... when your "e... (Below threshold)

Just to add... when your "edit" materially changes the intent of the author/speaker, you are not only dishonest, but attempts to justify it as "we had no choice under Fair Use" only compounds your blatant dishonesty.

That's leaving aside your continued dishonesty in promulgating the schtick that Coulter was inviting terrorists to kill Edwards, which the context you deliberately left out clearly demonstrates otherwise.

Amazing. Maureen Dowd move over and give up your elipses. The creative "journalism" by the Hooson elevates the old Soviet tactics to new levels.

Darlene, I'm not a fan of E... (Below threshold)

Darlene, I'm not a fan of Edwards. He was a nonfactor in the 2004 Kerry/Edwards race, and will leave a similiar nonimprint this time as well.

Most of Coulter's comments were acceptable political speech and certainly not in question. It was her comments regarding political assassinations and terrorism that I objected to. Violence humor like this crosses the line and is not serious political commentary by any means. If Coulter only offered political views on her June 25, ABC appearance, than fine. But her "murder humor" went way over the line. I don't care who does it, "murder humor" just isn't cool.

HoosonShe wasn't d... (Below threshold)

Hooson

She wasn't doing "murder humor". You know it. So save the "I'm offended by any of" line, I do not buy it. Otherwise you would have cited the preceeding two sentences to you Dowdified quote and held Maher to your "all of it" standard.

But then, that would have revealed Coulter's intent and you couldn't do that and maintain she was advocating "domestic terrorism and political assassinations".

Darleen, Maher is not beyon... (Below threshold)

Darleen, Maher is not beyond bad judgement and taste as well. His Cheney comments were unacceptable and his Halloween costume making fun of the death of "croc hunter" Steve Irwin was outrageous as well.

I suppose Coulter and Maher need to shock to get heard with so many better comics out there. But Coulter's crass humor even lacks the class of obscene speech. It is akin to shouting fire in a crowded theatre to get a laugh. Mean spirited and downright nasty stuff.

Thanks Hooson. <a href="htt... (Below threshold)
Paul:

Thanks Hooson. You're famous. Again.

I love it, Paul... love it ... (Below threshold)

I love it, Paul... love it love it l-o-v-e-i-t.

Hit him again!

Hoonson, you wouldn't know ... (Below threshold)
marc:

Hoonson, you wouldn't know Fair Use if it wore a ribbon around its neck then crawled up your ass and died.

NOTE nothing in the following limits you to a single sentence:

Oops, lets try that again:<... (Below threshold)
marc:

Oops, lets try that again:

Hoonson, you wouldn't know Fair Use if it wore a ribbon around its neck then crawled up your ass and died.

NOTE nothing in the following limits you to a single sentence:

1. Comment and Criticism

If you are commenting upon or critiquing a copyrighted work--for instance, writing a book review -- fair use principles allow you to reproduce some of the work to achieve your purposes. Some examples of commentary and criticism include:

* quoting a few lines from a Bob Dylan song in a music review
* summarizing and quoting from a medical article on prostate cancer in a news report
* copying a few paragraphs from a news article for use by a teacher or student in a lesson, or
* copying a portion of a Sports Illustrated magazine article for use in a related court case.

The underlying rationale of this rule is that the public benefits from your review, which is enhanced by including some of the copyrighted material. Additional examples of commentary or criticism are provided in the examples of fair use cases in Section C.

2. Parody

A parody is a work that ridicules another, usually well-known work, by imitating it in a comic way. Judges understand that by its nature, parody demands some taking from the original work being parodied. Unlike other forms of fair use, a fairly extensive use of the original work is permitted in a parody in order to "conjure up" the original.

3. Internet Cases

* Not a fair use. Entire publications of the Church of Scientology were posted on the Internet by several individuals without Church permission. Important factors: Fair use is intended to permit the borrowing of portions of a work, not complete works. (Religious Technology Center v. Lerma, 40 U.S.P.Q. 2d 1569 (E.D. Va. 1996).)
* Fair use. The Washington Post used three brief quotations from Church of Scientology texts posted on the Internet (see previous case). Important factors: Only a small portion of the work was excerpted and the purpose was for news commentary. ( Religious Technology Center v. Pagliarina, 908 F. Supp 1353 (E.D. Va. 1995).)

Paul H., despite my early c... (Below threshold)
kim:

Paul H., despite my early call on you that you were deluded, I have often appreciated your posts. You have not rigidly followed a partyline, as someone like BG2000 does, and I've occasionally agreed with you. I'm slightly ashamed of not having spoken up often about that.

But you must repudiate what you've done here. Did you do it, or was it done? First the editing is suspicious, for taking out important context, secondly, as Paul and others so richly point out, your explanation of the editing is terrifyingly believable. I asked Lee in a previous thread to 'fess up his rhetorical sin, and was ignored, so he's been turned into a cow. Now do you care to admit fault here? I can be forgiving.
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It's truth or Darleen, darl... (Below threshold)
kim:

It's truth or Darleen, darling.
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I had a life yesterday... j... (Below threshold)

I had a life yesterday... just wanted to say...

Ann Coulter's words have NO causal relationship to terror attacks in London. It proves nothing whatsoever in any way about the consequences of talking about terrorism or taking the holy name of terrorism in vain.

This "don't joke about terrorism" or "don't talk about terrorism" or "don't be like Coulter and make snide remarks invoking terrorism" is the dumbest bunch of unsupported baloney I've heard in ages.

I hope someone pointed this out and didn't just argue about what Coulter didn't actually say.

HAD SHE SAID IT exactly that way, it would have NOTHING to do with terror attacks in London. It would have been rude but it would not have had any effect whatsoever on the fact that someone wanted to set off a car bomb of nails in a public place to kill as many people as possible, hopfully young, pretty boys and girls, and just as many who oppose Britian's involvement in the War on Terror as who don't.

These things are not related. Nothing is "exibit A" showing that they are related. Nothing about the connection is logical or meaningful.

Misquoting Coulter is an error that hardly matters at all next to the logical error that treating the subject of terrorism in a flippant way makes anything happen.

The danged butterfly and it's wings has more impact on the world and certainly more impact on people who want to send a firestorm of nails into innocent shoppers than this "exibit A".




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