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Nearly 600 U.S. Troops Reenlist in Baghdad on Independence Day

From the Department of Defense:

BAGHDAD, Iraq, July 4, 2007 - Hundreds of troops gathered at Al Faw Palace for the Multi-National Force-Iraq Reenlistment, Naturalization and Independence Day Ceremony today at Camp Victory. During the ceremony, 588 troops reenlisted and 161 were naturalized as American citizens.


Army Gen. David Petraeus, commanding general, MNF-I, gave opening remarks before administering the Oath of Enlistment."This morning we pay tribute to the American ideals we all hold so dear in several significant ways," he said.

"First, by conducting what surely is the largest reenlistment event ever held in Iraq and perhaps in our Armed Forces' history, then by celebrating the granting of American citizenship to a group of troopers who have already pledged their loyalty to our nation by putting their lives on the line for it, and finally by observing the 231st birthday of our great country," he said.

Petraeus said the troops who reenlisted on Independence Day, most while serving on a second or third deployment to a combat zone, have made a decision based on far more than any bonus they may receive.

"No bonus, no matter the size, can adequately compensate you for the contribution each of you has made and continues to make as a custodian of our nation's defenses," he said. "Nor can any amount of money compensate you adequately for the sacrifices you make serving here in Iraq or the burdens your loved ones face at home in your absence. And we certainly cannot put a price on the freedoms you defend or those we are trying to help the Iraqis establish and safeguard here in the land of the two rivers."

Petraeus then dedicated the Independence Day ceremony in honor of two soldiers who died fighting for America before they could be sworn in as citizens.

"Sgt. Kimel Watt and Spc. Farid Elazzouzi, who would have been in your ranks here this morning, were lost in recent combat action, giving the last full measure of devotion for a country that would have become fully theirs today," Petraeus said. "Words can not express the admiration I feel for these two men or the sadness I feel for our nation's loss and their families' sacrifice."

Petraeus said the deaths are reminders that freedom comes at a very high cost, which must never be forgotten. Like these two soldiers, who fought and died with the American flag on their shoulders, he said the troops being naturalized as U.S. citizens were most deserving.

"When you enlisted into the Armed Forces you swore to support and defend a Constitution that did not yet fully apply to you," Petraeus said. "You chose to endure the same sacrifices as your fellow comrades in arms to preserve the freedom of a land that was not yet fully yours. You accepted that you might have to pay the ultimate price on behalf of a nation to which you did not fully belong. Now, you will officially become citizens of the United States, a country to which each of you has already borne true faith and allegiance in your hearts and your deeds."


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Comments (61)

LoriThanks for honor... (Below threshold)

Lori
Thanks for honoring our troops today with evidence of their courage and devotion.

I posted this earlier today in response to a commentor who said the opposite.

If NPR admits it who from the left will argue?:

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=9937581

Hugh, the Official Lefty Ta... (Below threshold)

Hugh, the Official Lefty Talking Point will be that the US Armed Forces, butchers and rapists that they are, lied to the kind and generous members of NPR.

I wonder why so many people... (Below threshold)
Otpu:

I wonder why so many people are amazed that non-citizens would voluntarily enlist in the United States Armed Services.

Enlisting is the fastest way to become a citizen. Enlisting and applying for citizenship through the military chain of command bypasses a lot of the red tape and bureaucratic BS from the State Dept and ICE. Furthermore, the military is much better set up and much more motivated than ICE, the State Dept., or the FBI to complete the required background checks in a timely manner.

The military has a wealth of experience in doing the background investigations necessary for security clearances quickly and throughly. After all, if your new recruit can't get a security clearance then about all he can do for you is peel potatoes and paint the latrines. The background check for a new citizenship applicant is significantly less comprehensive than the one required for a confidential clearance much less a secret clearance.

If you're here in America to become an American and you really want to show that to one and all then becoming a member of America's volunteer military is is the smart thing do.

Logical, patriotic, and totally confusing to those who are neither.

otpu

Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi... (Below threshold)
Justrand:

Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi are probably SCREAMING at each other on the phone:
"DAMMIT, what do we have to do to destroy their spirit?? We threatened to cut off all money and equipment for them...we told them the enemy had WON...we got the MSM to inflate the effectivness of alQueda, and ignore American victories...we trumpeted false news accounts that got several soldiers & Marines jailed...and we called them "Nazis, Soviets in their gulags, or some mad regime-Pol Pot or others-that had no concern for human beings"...and STILL they re-enlist!!!"

They (Harry, Nancy, et al), must wonder what the hell DRIVES these people???

Simple: they love their country!!

In about 1993, checked in a... (Below threshold)

In about 1993, checked in a new sailor into our squadron. He was from one of the former Soviet states, IIRC, it was Lithuania.

He'd only been in the States a couple of years, since independence from USSR. He spoke pretty good English and he told us all he wanted to do was be an American.

Buddy of mine remarked, just a few years ago we were ready to blow them out of existence, and now we've got one in our Navy.

That is a real shame. You'... (Below threshold)
Honest Liberal:

That is a real shame. You'd think they love their country or something. When will these people wake up? America is evil.

That is a real sha... (Below threshold)
That is a real shame. You'd think they love their country or something. When will these people wake up? America is evil.

Posted by: Honest Liberal at July 4, 2007 10:55 PM

WTH are you trying to say?

I suspect that "Honest Libe... (Below threshold)

I suspect that "Honest Liberal" is neither. No lefty is gonna come right out and say America is evil. They'll dance around that bush till the cows come home, but never really say it.

Wow, 600 troops reenlisted ... (Below threshold)
Ryan:

Wow, 600 troops reenlisted out of about 200,000 total troops there. I don't how many of the TWO HUNDRED FUCKING THOUSAND'S enlistments happened to up at the moment, but this is a sad, ridiculous stupid-ass article. I feel sorry and pray for the troops fighting this unthinkable war in Iraq. Please, please, PLEASE!!! Read closely, you guys. Iraq NEVER EVER, EVER, EVER attacked the United States of America, which you all disgustingly claim to love so much. PLEASE!!! READ THIS AGAIN: THEY DID NOT POSSESS ANY WMD'S. Are you still following me? Because 75% of the United States is. I will send EVERYONE on this thread a free packet of KOOL-AID if that's what it takes. P.S. : I am NOT one of your hated, vile DEMOCRATS!!! I am just a REAL, true, concerned American Citizen.

Sure you are, Ryan. But wh... (Below threshold)

Sure you are, Ryan. But what are you *on*?

No, Synova, I count myself ... (Below threshold)
Ryan:

No, Synova, I count myself amongst the 20-30% or so of real independents (it feels good saying that on INDEPENDENCE DAY) that will decide the 2008 election, and DID decide the 2006 election. I voted for Ralph Nader in 2000, then George W. Bush in 2004. It still keeps me up at night. I was a traitor to my own country in November of 2004.

Ryan, the thing that you ob... (Below threshold)

Ryan, the thing that you obviously don't know and have never bothered to find out or even think about is that everyone's enlistment doesn't end at the same time!

So, the 600 that reenlisted were out of an unknown number whose enlistment was almost up at this time, not out of the whole 200K.

Sheesh, use your head for something besides a spacer for your ears, willya?

Iraq NEVER EVER, E... (Below threshold)
Iraq NEVER EVER, EVER, EVER attacked the United States of America...

Untrue. Every single time Iraq locked up one of our aircraft with a SAM radar, it was a violation of a surrender treaty. It was an act of war. EVERY SINGLE TIME.

Every time Iraq obstructed a UN arms inspector, hedged, dodged, prevaricated or other wise evaded inspections, it was a violation of a surrender treaty and an act of war.

Just because it took us 12 years to decide we weren't going to put up with it any longer is beside the point.

Furthermore, whether Iraq actually had WMD or didn't, it was incumbent upon Iraq to prove that they didn't posess them, not on us. It was only our function to verify the veracity of Iraq's claims.

If the very first time Iraq violated a term of the surrender treaty after the conclusion of Desert Storm we had reengaged them in warfare, we would have been in the right. The fact that we gave them hundreds of chances, ignoring their overt acts violating the surrender treaty only shows our paitence and compassion and unwillingness to use military force in every instance.

There comes a time when enough is enough. We'd had enough.

No, I get that, pal. I'm s... (Below threshold)
Ryan:

No, I get that, pal. I'm saying you really think all of these poor guys enlistments ran out on July 4, 2007? This was a photo op, and a true bastardization of what these brave men and women are dying for in this ridiculous war.

Actually Ryan, it is a sham... (Below threshold)

Actually Ryan, it is a shame that you have so blinded yourself to reality that you can't see the message of the article. While you whine back here about Iraq, the people who are doing the hard work in Iraq itself are showing that they feel their work is valuable, important and they are showing that they are still motivated.

You meanwhile are disgusting.

Well, I'm sorry, but the we... (Below threshold)
Ryan:

Well, I'm sorry, but the weapons inspectors WERE in there, and they didn't find SHIT. Our President still did what he did. I really, really, REALLY, wanted to believe that my president and my government were telling me the TRUTH. Turns out, they weren't. So get RID of him
(can't yet, because it's another 4 year term) and anyone who supported him. Results of 2006 election, thusly.

No, I get that, pa... (Below threshold)
No, I get that, pal. I'm saying you really think all of these poor guys enlistments ran out on July 4, 2007?

So, you're saying the poor, dumb schlubs were manipulated?

Let me tell you, I've been through a couple of reenlistments. Typically what the reenlistee wants, they get, within reason. If you want a private ceremony in your workspace, or in the CO's office, or whatever, if they can reasonably honor your request, they will.

Now, possibly, some retention specialist came up with the idea and put the idea out and asked who would be interested. Or possibly even a bunch of the guys, in a spirit of brotherhood came up with the idea on their own.

But, they weren't manipulated. And they aren't poor, dumb schlubs.

Ryan, you gotta put your br... (Below threshold)

Ryan, you gotta put your brain (if you have one) in gear before you put fingers to keyboard.

For cryin' out loud, do you think they're gonna reenlist on the exact same day their enlistment is up?

No, they do it ahead of time, like you renew your drivers' license before the exact day it expires.

So, yes, they got a bunch of guys whose enlistments were ALMOST up and reenlisted them all at once.

And ya know something? Even though I never served (disability, but you can call me a coward if ya want), I suspect they probably do that just about every month. So if you were there at the right time in June, you'd have seen the same durned thing. Ya see, it's efficient to get all the reenlistments done at one time.

But you obviously think the Armed Forces are made up of neanderthals that can't figure something like that out, don't you?

Ryan just STFU. I wish whe... (Below threshold)
Justrand:

Ryan just STFU. I wish when I re-enlisted that I had had a grand moment to do so. I was proud to re-enlist anyway, but it would have added something special to do under circumstances like they did.

The "circumstances"? Fighting, and WINNING, a struggle to halt the cycle of violence that has condemned centuries of Iraqis to a bitter denial of everything we hold dear. Fighting and defeating the scum who are indeed the same scum who attacked us on 9/11. No, Iraq didn't carry out 9/11...but alQueda did and they are whom we are principally fighting NOW in Iraq.

We're winning the war, defeating the vermin and offering a chance for the Iraqis to have a better life...whether they grasp that chance or not.

The only enemy that those brave troops CANNOT defeat over THERE, is "the enemy within"...HERE.

Whether actively working against us, or just "useful idiots" (Ryan?) to be all too easily exploited, THEY are the only path alQueda has to victory.

DO NOT tell me what is a sh... (Below threshold)
Ryan:

DO NOT tell me what is a shame, or is disgusting. My brother, PFC Grant Lowery, from, guess what, asshole, SAN FRANCISCO. Is fighting in Iraq right at this very minute. Not to mention my brother-in-law, Justin Slack, who just finished his second tour. If I thought this bullshit was worth a fucking IED to my head, I'd be there, too, so shut up.

I really, really, REALLY, w... (Below threshold)
What Willis Was Talking About:

I really, really, REALLY, wish you'd take a breath and spend a few moments searching for the TRUTH. Because you haven't found it yet.

Really, really, REALLY, it would only take a few moments. Start with what all the democrats were saying about Saddam. Here's a start, they're not hard to find. Then ask yourself why they're all attempting to disavow what they said. Who then, is operating from principle and who is drifting on any wind that blows?

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including Al Qaeda members, though there is apparently no evidence of his involvement in the terrible events of September 11, 2001. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons. Should he succeed in that endeavor, he could alter the political and security landscape of the Middle East, which as we know all too well affects American security." -- Hillary Clinton, October 10, 2002

Oh, and bravo to the troops. My thoughts and prayers are with you. God bless every one of you.

My brother, PFC Grant Lo... (Below threshold)
What Willis Was Talking About:

My brother, PFC Grant Lowery...is fighting in Iraq right at this very minute. Not to mention my brother-in-law, Justin Slack, who just finished his second tour.

Please tell them thanks for their service. I'll pray for them by name now. I've a brother in Iraq and a cousin in Afghanistan. Damned good boys. I'm proud of them as I'm sure you are of yours.

Time to pull out <a href="h... (Below threshold)

Time to pull out one of my favorite lefty-busters!

It's a news release from the State Department. It says, in part:

"In addition, al Qaeda reached an understanding with the Government of Iraq that al Qaeda would not work against that government and that on particular projects, specifically including weapons development, al Qaeda would work cooperatively with the Government of Iraq," the indictment said.

The date? 04 Nov 1998.

Who was President in 1998 when it was determined that al Qaeda was working "cooperatively with the Government of Iraq" (meaning Saddam)?

Ryan:No, I get... (Below threshold)
marc:

Ryan:

No, I get that, pal. I'm saying you really think all of these poor guys enlistments ran out on July 4, 2007? This was a photo op, and a true bastardization of what these brave men and women are dying for in this ridiculous war.

Hey asshat... sure it's a photo-op. The same type of photo-op that has occurred each year of the Iraq war and for many July Fourths prior to that!

For someone who claims to have relatives in or have been in Iraq you haven't a clue about re-enlistment windows ("these poor guys enlistments ran out on July 4, 2007"

The reality is, whether you chose to believe in that concept or not, is each service has a different window and you can re-enlist anywhere from 3 months up to 12 months prior to your current enlistment is up.

And SURPRISE, I can atest via 20 plus years of Navel service MANY re-enlist on the Fourth of July because of the symbolism involved.

The only "bastardization" involved is how you take the story and twist it into something FAR from its intended purpose and meaning.

Happy birthday, America. Th... (Below threshold)
What Willis Was Talking About:

Happy birthday, America. The tired and poor still come to you for hope. And today, 600 troops bet on you with their lives.

Does anyone really give a f... (Below threshold)
Ryan:

Does anyone really give a fuck what politicians are saying or have said? Screw Hillary Clinton. At this point, I'm going with Obama, or Ron Paul, from the Republicans. He is the one who's spoken out in the debates against this bullshit war, isn't he? I might be wrong.

Lord almighty, do they *spe... (Below threshold)

Lord almighty, do they *speak* to you?

Or do you just behave rationally when they do? I can't imagine that you speak to them the way you're speaking to us.

Or did something happen today that set you off? I almost wasn't trying to be snarky when I asked what you are on.

Serving in the military is an honorable thing and those who do deserve our respect and our joy in their decision. That so many soldiers were able to have their re-enlistment and their citizenship be such an event with General Petraeus to speak and on the 4th of July is special and rather grand, actually.

More than anyone else possibly could, those men and women know what they are signing up for. And those new American citizens know what their citizenship is worth.

I say welcome to them. They deserve a great and significant day. A woman I know who expected her citizenship to be a piece of paper and little more was stunned by an unexpected feeling that something profound had happened when that moment came. Just imagine these new Americans.

It's incredible.

Oh, well, I hope your head ... (Below threshold)

Oh, well, I hope your head is comfortable in the sand, Ryan.

Ryan: "I might be wrong<... (Below threshold)
Justrand:

Ryan: "I might be wrong."

Roger that!

In 1998, the U.S. was certa... (Below threshold)
What Willis Was Talking About:

In 1998, the U.S. was certain that Saddam Hussein was acquiring and developing WMD, and that he represented an imminent threat. President Clinton said it. The Democrats said it. The Republicans agreed. The MSM said it. The UK said it. Israel said it. France said it. China and Russia said it. Everyone said it. Everyone accepted it. These were the intelligence reports from the Clinton administration, and everyone found them credible.

No one acted on them, but no one declared they were false, either. While some cynics suggested that the Bush's focus on WMD was some "dog wagging" to divert attention from an uncomfortable scandal, no one seriously entertained a notion that Saddam did not possess WMD. Everyone accepted it as fact. These quotes are historical and there is no escape.

In 2001, Bush took office, and had access to the same intelligence as the preceding administration. He believed that information and when terror struck his country on 9/11, he decided that the best avenue to counter the terrorism exported from the Middle East would be to ultimately change the Middle East. Congress agreed and declared war.

He had all this intelligence. He believed it. Everyone he showed it to believed it.

"The intelligence which the president shared with us was in line with what we saw in the White House..."
- Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton, 2003

How can one administration's use of intelligence be reasonable and credible, but another administration's use of the same intelligence be an unreasonable lie? Either Clinton and Bush lied, or neither did.

Willis, you're just gonna c... (Below threshold)

Willis, you're just gonna confuse poor Ryan. Don't you know that nothing the Clintons did or didn't do has anything to do with the present day? History re-started 20 Jan 2001, everything before that doesn't matter.

If I was a Senator, a membe... (Below threshold)

If I was a Senator, a member of the Greatest Deliberative Body in the World, I would be embarassed to say that a President that is acclaimed to be the dumbest ever, somehow misled or duped me into voting to use military force against an enemy of the United States.

Yet, many of them have claimed that. A couple of them think they should be President. Many people believe they should be. Imagine that.

"It still keeps me up at ni... (Below threshold)
RobLACal.:

"It still keeps me up at night. I was a traitor to my own country in November of 2004."

You still are a traitor and an idiot as far as I'm concerned.

"It still keeps me up at night"

Boo Fricken Hoo. Did you say you voted for Ralph Nader? That's what must be keeping you up all night.

I voted for Clinton , I'm registered democratic

"Iraq NEVER EVER, EVER, EVER attacked the United States of America"

What is your point stupid?

By the way I know of nobody that is screaming and crying that Iraq attacked us so why are you crying and lying as if somebody did?

Either way you can be easily proved a liar.

What the hell do you call a United States Air Force Pilot patrolling United States mandated NO FLY ZONE?

"THEY DID NOT POSSESS ANY WMD'S"

YES THEY DID JACKOFF!

"are you still following me? Because 75% of the United States is."

Arrogant schmuck, there is nobody following your stupid ass, that was a cell phone commercial you got stuck in your head, you are not that important.


"I am NOT one of your hated, vile DEMOCRATS!!!"

I Believe you believe that. I wouldn't want to admit it either if I was you. It truely makes no difference what you call yourself, you still come off as vile and full of hate.

"I am just a REAL, true, concerned American Citizen".

I believe you are "real" person however I don't believe you are a "TRUELY" concerned American citizen.

"I count myself amongst the 20-30% or so of real independents (it feels good saying that on INDEPENDENCE DAY) that will decide the 2008 election, and DID decide the 2006 election."

What this tells me is you are still a democrat.

[quote]Well, I'm sorry, but... (Below threshold)
Matt:

[quote]Well, I'm sorry, but the weapons inspectors WERE in there, and they didn't find SHIT. Our President still did what he did. I really, really, REALLY, wanted to believe that my president and my government were telling me the TRUTH. Turns out, they weren't. So get RID of him
(can't yet, because it's another 4 year term) and anyone who supported him. Results of 2006 election, thusly.[/quote]

Well I guess that you forgot about these.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,200499,00.html

http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=18714&Cr=iraq&Cr1

Now if you will go back and look at the reports from the 90s you will find that there were about 500 chemical weapons unaccounted for by the inspectors. Iraq said that they destroyed them but could not locate the paperwork that said they did. We went in and found the 500 weapons. That gives credence to the Intel reports that said Iraq had been developing new chem weapon but transported it to Syria just before we made the push into Iraq.

I am a Marine with 9 years time in service, 3 deployments to Iraq, and two to Afghan. We NEEDED to go in there, and we need to stay. How dare you attempt to cheapen why my fallen friends have done with your uneducated drivel.

To everyone else. I apologize, I know I am new here but I really hate it when people talk about things they do not understand.

[quote]DO NOT tell me what ... (Below threshold)
Matt:

[quote]DO NOT tell me what is a shame, or is disgusting. My brother, PFC Grant Lowery, from, guess what, asshole, SAN FRANCISCO. Is fighting in Iraq right at this very minute. Not to mention my brother-in-law, Justin Slack, who just finished his second tour. If I thought this bullshit was worth a fucking IED to my head, I'd be there, too, so shut up.[/quote]

I hope your brother thumps you in the head when he gets home.

Next I assume that you will say that you support the troops but not the war. So I will throw this out now.

You can not support us if you do not support what we do.

Ryan said he did not vote f... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

Ryan said he did not vote for GW in 2000 but did in 2004 when we were knee deep in this war he hates so much. I thinketh Ryan is lying. Also,Ryan, the President can not send troops into a war without the approval of the Congress, which whole heartedly voted for. Read you constitution. It will help. And please, quit masquerading as an independent. We are much to sharp for that BS. ww

Matt, thank you for your ... (Below threshold)
RobLACal.:

Matt, thank you for your service to our Country and for all that you do for me. You needn't apologize for a damn thing.

"How dare you attempt to cheapen why my fallen friends have done with your uneducated drivel."

Thses people do not even think about your friends who have given their lives , they mearly mention them ass a footnote to be used as propaganda score political points in the "CrackHead" like fiending for power.

"but I really hate it when people talk about things they do not understand."

I agree with this however it has become more and more clear that though they may not understand much of anything , they do understand what it is they are doing when they are disrespecting and attacking you , Our President and our Country.

Their despicable behavior is intentional and unforgivable.

Ryan wrote:

"I feel sorry and pray for the troops fighting this unthinkable war in Iraq."

They have absolutely no shame or credibility. Some claim being independent yet reek like democrat.

Thanks Rob, It is good to k... (Below threshold)
Matt:

Thanks Rob, It is good to know that not everyone is an idiot.

Untrue. Every sing... (Below threshold)
Untrue. Every single time Iraq locked up one of our aircraft with a SAM radar, it was a violation of a surrender treaty. It was an act of war. EVERY SINGLE TIME.

John,

It wasn't a surrender treaty, but a cease-fire agreement. I don't know why the Bush administration didn't push this angle more. The attack on Iraq in 2003 was not a preemptive strike, but a re-emptive strike. Iraq broke their terms of the cease-fire agreement so we resumed fire.

You're "rebuttals" to Ryan ... (Below threshold)
Publicus:

You're "rebuttals" to Ryan are pretty pathetic. But I suppose it works as long as you few remaining "true believers" talk amongst yourselves.

The vast majority of Americans see the occupation of Iraq for what it is.

If there are 200,000 soldie... (Below threshold)
Mark L:

If there are 200,000 soldier in Iraq, and the average tour of duty is four years, then assuming that their enlistment dates are evenly distributed, around 136 of them are coming up for reenlistment every day. My bet is that this was just those in and around Baghdad -- maybe 100,000 are stationed there. If we assume that this is taken from all of the Baghdad-area soldiers due to re-up in a 30-day period, that implies a retention rate of 30%, which is pretty good. If we are talking about those re-upping over a two-week period, that is a retention rate of over 60%.

Either way, Army and Marine retention rates are wey, way up among those soldiers that have seen combat in either Afghanistan or Iraq. It seems the closer you are, the better you feel about the war.

Another big story from yest... (Below threshold)

Another big story from yesterday was General Petraeus swearing in a large group of immigrants to the U.S. as American citizens who serve in the U.S. military in Iraq. 68,000 immigrants serve in an active duty role in the U.S. military currently.

On my father's side my family has a Canadian background, and my Grandfather on my mother's side was born in Norway, but learned English in London. Immigrants from all over the world come to this country to add to it constructively in 99% of all cases. This includes serving in the U.S. military to protect this country.

Ryan, the actions of your b... (Below threshold)

Ryan, the actions of your brother and brother in law are to their credit. But not to your credit.

Trust Publicus to fall back... (Below threshold)

Trust Publicus to fall back on polls.

Ever try thinking for yourself instead of twisting whichever way the wind blows?

The vast majority ... (Below threshold)
Matt:
The vast majority of Americans see the occupation of Iraq for what it is.

The vast majority of Americans can not see Iraq for what it is because they have not been to Iraq, and their information comes for bias news network.

Hell most of the people that have been over there cant even see it for what it is.

Also please state whos rebuttals are pathetic.

John,It wasn'... (Below threshold)
John,

It wasn't a surrender treaty, but a cease-fire agreement. I don't know why the Bush administration didn't push this angle more.

DSkinner, you are right of course. It was a cease fire vs. a surrender. I stand corrected.

As you noted, the Administration should have high lighted those violations more forcefully.

I just get a bit exercised when someone comes out complaining about the WMD thing, blah, blah, blah.

Actually, as my buddy Matt ... (Below threshold)

Actually, as my buddy Matt (yes, I told the Marine Sgt. about this thread) points out, we did find WMDs.

But that somehow didn't make it onto ABCCBSCNNNBCNPRPBS, so Joe Public in many cases didn't find out about it unless he took the time to check the web.

Thanks brother. ... (Below threshold)
Matt:

Thanks brother.

"Also please state whos reb... (Below threshold)
Rob LA Ca.:

"Also please state whos rebuttals are pathetic."

Yes please do Pub.
Standard democrat Opperating procedures. Being specific would be confrontational though I have no doubt Pub will oblige. the same can't be said of his leaders like BJ CLinton. I yet to hear anyone mention this . Does anyone believe Clinton would have raked in 43 million dollars on his so called speaking tour all over the globe if he had imprisioned the leader of Al Qaeda, OBL. He would be hunted down like a dog if he would have taken him out all those opportunities that he should have. He put his criminal needs before the safety of our Country and his duty as our President. No question about it.


"Hell most of the people that have been over there cant even see it for what it is."

Many of those people went over there with blinders or welding goggles on, can you say "EYES WIDE SHUT"? It would not have made a difference what good they might have seen , they were not about to stray from what they are , the Criminal Party of Perpetual Fraud. It's undeniably clear and irrefutable as to why the Democrats and their Media sidekicks have no interest or desire to report anything positive , progress or anything good that will not contradict their planned deception be perpetrated for many reasons. A couple of which are blatantly obvious..

1. To undermine President Bush and his Administration as they continue to "CLINTONIZE" them.

2. It's the only way these criminal frauds can attain what they fiend for , complete power and the take over of this Country to implement their sick and despicable agenda.

A question for those who support these lying frauds. WHat part of this letter sent to your majority leader in the Senate do you not understand?


"To be brief, your words are killing us."

http://www.americans-working-together.com/id223.html

I gave Publicus way too ... (Below threshold)
Rob LA Ca.:

I gave Publicus way too much credit. He's just as big a punk ass as the rest of them. Not surprised.

I don't even know where to ... (Below threshold)
Ryan:

I don't even know where to begin with the inane responses to my thoughts on this post, but I'll go with the one that pissed me off the most: "I hope when your brother gets home he smacks you with the butt of his gun" Ok, pal. Why don't you post your address so that my brother and I can come do that on your front lawn? Or, perhaps, we'll just both beat the shit out of you for portending to think you can even begin to know the relationship between my brother and I. My brother chose his profession as a career. He is above all of the politics assholes like you and I get to talk about in front of our computers in our nice, safe, air-conditioned houses here in the US. The United States Army is his career. He doesn't care where they send him, or why. He wakes up in the morning and takes orders and does his JOB. Just like you and I do. Instead, he dodges insurgent bullets instead of dodging pointless meetings. And, in all likelihood, he makes less money than you do. (Although he does make a bit more than my blue-collar ass.) He wants to be a general someday, just like I want to be the plant foreman of the circuit board plant I work in. I tried to talk to him about what he thinks about his mission the last time he was home (for just under a month) but we got to have Thanksgiving. He just doesn't care. He has a good job. He puts up with idiotic, bullshit management, just like everyone else who holds a JOB in this country. When I said goodbye to him, I knew it might be for the last time, but my family has come to accept that.

I don't even know where to ... (Below threshold)
Ryan:

I don't even know where to begin with the inane responses to my thoughts on this post, but I'll go with the one that pissed me off the most: "I hope when your brother gets home he smacks you with the butt of his gun" Ok, pal. Why don't you post your address so that my brother and I can come do that on your front lawn? Or, perhaps, we'll just both beat the shit out of you for pretending to think you can even begin to know the relationship between my brother and I. My brother chose his profession as a career. He is above all of the political assholes like you and I, that get to talk about it in front of our computers in our nice, safe, air-conditioned houses here in the US. The United States Army is his career. He doesn't care where they send him, or why. He wakes up in the morning and takes orders and does his JOB. Just like you and I do. Instead, he dodges insurgent bullets instead of dodging pointless meetings. And, in all likelihood, he makes less money than you do. (Although he does make a bit more than my blue-collar ass.) He wants to be a general someday, just like I want to be the plant foreman of the circuit board plant I work in. I tried to talk to him about what he thinks about his mission the last time he was home (for just under a month) but we got to have Thanksgiving. He just doesn't care. He has a good job. He puts up with idiotic, bullshit management, just like everyone else who holds a JOB in this country. When I said goodbye to him, I knew it might be for the last time, but my family has come to accept that.

Ryan , you bed wetting sh... (Below threshold)
Rob LA Ca.:

Ryan , you bed wetting shot nosed liar. If you can't tell the truth , why don't you just F**k Off and stfu.


"Why don't you post your address so that my brother and I can come do that on your front lawn?"

Why don't you go jerk your stupid self.

"Or, perhaps, we'll just both beat the shit out of you for pretending to think you can even begin to know the relationship between my brother and I."

You know what would really happen ? Matt would meet the you and your brother respectfully in front of your home , look each other in the eyes , and with a slight nod procede to beat your sniveling silly imature ass and hopefully beat the punk out of you.

If I was your brother I would in a heartbeat. The fact that you are shaming your own brother with your petulance pisses me off. How dare you use the name of your brother with out his knowledge to make threats of bodily harm on another member of our Armed Services. You are a sick and stupid person.

In other words, Ryan. If y... (Below threshold)

In other words, Ryan. If you respect your brother, respect *his* brothers and sisters.

And I don't expect your brother to engage in holiday political battles, I expect him to shrug and say, "It's my job" because getting into an argument with the resident anti-military *ss ruins the day for everyone. And *many* in the military are decidedly non-political, but they believe in the value of what they do. Not just that they like it and get paid, but that they believe that the military is useful and good and an honorable profession. They believe that, overall, that someone needs to do the job they do and doing it makes the world a better place.

So stop slandering those who serve.

Respect and admire their decisions to re-enlist. Admit that they are bright people who know what they are doing and understand the situation that they are in.

Your initial screed was filled with the assumption that not only do none of the commentators here have a clue, but that the soldiers choosing to reenlist at a big 4th of July ceremony are every bit as stupid.

Call me stupid if you like, but don't disrespect those serving that way.

Typical. When 10 soldiers d... (Below threshold)
brainy435:

Typical. When 10 soldiers do something stupid, the left is quick to point out that it is indicative of military-wide problems. When 600 soldiers do something patriotic they are suddenly overcome with a desire to whip out their calculators and statistics books to try and prove that it doesn't mean anything.

And just to be snarky:
"I hope when your brother gets home he smacks you with the butt of his gun" Ok, pal. Why don't you post your address so that my brother and I can come do that on your front lawn?"
Ryan 1:41 AND 1:46

Dude, I'll gladly give you my address so I can watch your brother smack you in the head with his gun. Maybe you should use the preview button more often....

Typical. When 10 soldiers d... (Below threshold)
brainy435:

Typical. When 10 soldiers do something stupid, the left is quick to point out that it is indicative of military-wide problems. When 600 soldiers do something patriotic they are suddenly overcome with a desire to whip out their calculators and statistics books to try and prove that it doesn't mean anything.


And just to be snarky:
"I hope when your brother gets home he smacks you with the butt of his gun" Ok, pal. Why don't you post your address so that my brother and I can come do that on your front lawn?"
Ryan 1:41 AND 1:46

Dude, I'll gladly give you my address so I can watch your brother smack you in the head with his gun. Maybe you should use the preview button more often....

Typical. When 10 soldiers d... (Below threshold)
brainy435:

Typical. When 10 soldiers do something stupid, the left is quick to point out that it is indicative of military-wide problems. When 600 soldiers do something patriotic they are suddenly overcome with a desire to whip out their calculators and statistics books to try and prove that it doesn't mean anything.

Ryan "Why don't yo... (Below threshold)
Matt:

Ryan "Why don't you post your address so that my brother and I can come do that on your front lawn?"

MSOC F, 2nd MSOB, MARSOC, Camp Lejeune NC 28542.

Come on down. Ask for the big bald guy in green. You can not miss me.

I respect your brother for what he does. I do not pretend to know his feelings on what is going on in the world. But I can tell you one thing. 80% of the guys I have run into on my travels agree. You can not support us unless you support what we do.

I do not agree with your views but I will defend them with my life. However. If you do not respect my brothers and sisters it will be a bad day.

From Brainy. "Typical. When 10 soldiers do something stupid, the left is quick to point out that it is indicative of military-wide problems. When 600 soldiers do something patriotic they are suddenly overcome with a desire to whip out their calculators and statistics books to try and prove that it doesn't mean anything."

I have never been a politically minded person. I follow what our leaders are doing, I attempt to make informed decisions, but I have never claimed to be a part of any political party. After this thread I can say that the Lefties need to pull their heads out of the sand and take a blind run at a hard wall.


In addition to the enlistme... (Below threshold)
Matt:

In addition to the enlistment reenlistment deal from earlier. Right now our enlistment numbers goals are not being met. But that is to be expected this time of year (summer is always rough for enlisting new Marines), and the increase in TO from 178,000 to 202,000 makes enlistment goals hard to hit. However our reenlistment numbers are through the roof. We are sitting at 42% retetion right now. That is almost unheard of. Do you not think that that many Marines would be re enlisting if they did not believe in what we are doing?

Hey Matt,Can I come ... (Below threshold)
Lorie Byrd:

Hey Matt,
Can I come see you too? I am in NC. My husband was stationed at New River for quite a few years and we have some wonderful friends who are still there so we do visit from time to time.

Sure, why not. Bring the wh... (Below threshold)
Matt:

Sure, why not. Bring the whole board.




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