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Sometimes you can't just make this crap up:

Communist nation poisons hundreds; capitalism to blame.

Well, Rome wasn't burned in a day...


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Or maybe a LOT.... (Below threshold)
pgg:

Or maybe a LOT.

How much longer is Kevin go... (Below threshold)

How much longer is Kevin gonna tolerate that?

No,If you want crazy... (Below threshold)

No,
If you want crazy, go read this:

American Dollar Hits 26 Year Low Against Foreign Currency

Anthropologists and archaeologists will tell you that every past civilization was able to at least produce their own pottery. In the case of our society, that pottery will all be marked with tags as "Made In China" when the ruins of our society are unearthed....Paul Hooson

My response:

Paul

I'll let you do the math on this since you brought it up.
What would our trade deficit be today if the US Congress allowed:

Drilling the entire ANWAR geologic formation?

Mining of coal in all protected areas of the the U S Forestry and National Park Service?

Harvesting all available hardwood species in protected areas?

Denying China access to our mining and exploration technology.

Imposing a 20% increase in tariffs on imported automobiles? On imported steel?

Enforcing copyright and intellectual property laws on ALL of Asia?

It's worth a hell of a lot more than pottery.

Posted by HughS | July 5, 2007 9:03 PM

yep, I always ask anthropol... (Below threshold)

yep, I always ask anthropologists about economics. I ask economists about dating pottery shards and I ask physicists about how the political corruption of a nonrepresentative government can be confused with "capitalism" by confused apologists for communism.

"Somehow" hamilton forgot t... (Below threshold)
marc:

"Somehow" hamilton forgot to note this little bit from his quoted article:

A chemical commonly found in antifreeze and brake fluid, diethylene glycol was used in cough syrup, antihistamine tablets, calamine lotion and rash ointment made in a Panama government laboratory.

Damn the bad luck! He can't even keep a good anti-capitalist meme going longer than a few minutes!

Looks like they're trying t... (Below threshold)
jaymaster:

Looks like they're trying to game the post rating system now.

Geniuses, I tell ya.

Wizbang blue needs to go. ... (Below threshold)

Wizbang blue needs to go. Let them go back to the DU and Daily Kos where they belog.

Robinyep, I ... (Below threshold)

Robin

yep, I always ask anthropologists about economics. I ask economists about dating pottery shards and I ask physicists about how the political corruption of a nonrepresentative government can be confused with "capitalism" by confused apologists for communism.

I really like your point about physicists' political ideaology because that electron spinning left (or was it right?) held the answer to that Tri Lateral thingy that got my High School History teacher so upset.

I highly doubt this has any... (Below threshold)
jpm100:

I highly doubt this has anything to do with capitalism. It has more to do with traditional business practices from their more closed period that were politely and quietly swept under the rug (along with the plant manager).

Exactly Hugh, its not just ... (Below threshold)

Exactly Hugh, its not just quarks that have strange properties.

jaymaster, I've never seen ... (Below threshold)
-S-:

jaymaster, I've never seen a ratings system yet on any site that wasn't eventually devolved to represent "he said" or "she said" and for about the same subjective reasons. Many people think they're harming someone with a bad rating, so they do that.

Me, when I do rate, I always go for five stars. I withhold ratings from those I don't care for.

A chemical used to make bra... (Below threshold)
Peter F.:

A chemical used to make brake fluid and antifreeze, made by a shady Chinese company and purchased by a Panamanian company whereby it was turned into cough syrup, antihistmines (pardon the sp), and corporations are to blame.

A short quiz in Business 101 for Paul:

T or F:
It was done ON PURPOSE so that the company could cut corners and save a few bucks, kill off its customer base, total millions in lawsuits and have everyone from the CEO to the guy in the warehouse going flat busted broke, ending up on the street.

(I think my dog could answer this one correctly.)

Peter, your dog doesn't pos... (Below threshold)

Peter, your dog doesn't post at WizBlue... for obvious reasons. He's too smart.

Peter, your dog doesn't ... (Below threshold)
Peter F.:

Peter, your dog doesn't post at WizBlue... for obvious reasons. He's too smart.

That, and the whole opposable thumbs issue.

I'm sure some programmer co... (Below threshold)

I'm sure some programmer could come up with speech recognition for dogs... or would that be bark recognition?

Hey Marc, I guess you misse... (Below threshold)
Paul Hamilton:

Hey Marc, I guess you missed this quote from the article:

Investigations revealed the chemical was made by a Chinese company that fraudulently passed it off as 99.5 percent pure glycerin

So the Chineses *were* responsible for the problem, passing off anti-freeze as glycerin. And I'm sure that the reason the manufacturing facility used the Chinese ingredient was to save money.

So if you want to nitpick, fine, you're right -- phoney glycerin is not a "drug," but it was the problem *in* the drug and over a hundred people are likely dead.

OK, maybe they are... (Below threshold)
OK, maybe they are a little crazy next door...

You actually had doubts?

Peter F: It doesn't matter ... (Below threshold)
Paul Hamilton:

Peter F: It doesn't matter if it was on purpose. The people are just as dead. It's well known that the Chinese have almost no control over the goods produced there and if a company imports stuff from there, they are doing so knowing the risk.

And obviously they didn't check the product before they started using it, so that's negligence at the very least.

That, and the whol... (Below threshold)
That, and the whole opposable thumbs issue.

I asked my dog about that. He said who needs opposable thumbs when you have a nose and a tail.

Jay, Forget about t... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

Jay,
Forget about the Wizbang Blue. Here is an example of how deranged the progressive left is. They hated Bush much more than they hated the fascists. It can be construed that the terrorists are better than Bush according their crazy worldview.


http://www.plnewsforum.com/index.php/forums/viewthread/20239/
You could argue that even the world's worst fascist dictators at least meant well. They honestly thought were doing good things for their countries by suppressing blacks/eliminating Jews/eradicating free enterprise/repressing individual thought/killing off rivals/invading neighbors, etc. Only the Saudi royal family is driven by the same motives as Bush, but they were already entrenched. Bush set a new precedent. He came into office with the attitude of "I'm so tired of the public good. What about my good? What about my rich friends' good?"

LoveAmerica, for as long as... (Below threshold)

LoveAmerica, for as long as I've been politically aware, haven't seen a dictator or communist regime the left hasn't been willing to embrace or be an apologist for.

Currently it's Castro, Chavez, Ackmadinnerjacket. Putin is a wise leader willing to be diplomatic, Bush is a dundering fool.

Splash Kennedy wrote letters to Soviet leaders promising to keep the American President from being mean.

Democrats heralded Daniel Ortega and took him on a shopping trip in NYC.

As I've said before, liberals think communism is just fine, it just needs a real chance to work. Of course, they think they are the one's who will be able to prove that it can work - in the United States.

John, I see your po... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

John,
I see your point. The left is either so mean or so deranged that they can attribute the worst motive to Bush while thinking that the fascists (like Hitler) at least meant well!

Of course, you'll note that... (Below threshold)

Of course, you'll note that the lefties are blaming the company that bought the stuff, not the one that sold it.

Ideally, both seller and buyer would be partially to blame, but these folks never, and I mean never blame a communist country for anything bad.

Paul Hamilton:... (Below threshold)
marc:

Paul Hamilton:

So the Chineses *were* responsible for the problem, passing off anti-freeze as glycerin. And I'm sure that the reason the manufacturing facility used the Chinese ingredient was to save money.

First of all what the hell is a "Chineses?"

Secondly it appears as though you are admitting to deliberately leaving out the Panamanian Gov connection.

While the chemicals/ingredients were Chinese what's your sorry excuse for the broken down Panamanian Gov who failed its citizenry?

First of all what ... (Below threshold)
First of all what the hell is a "Chineses?"

Must be the plural of Chinese. Sort of like how Mr. Jinks would talk in the old old cartoons... "I hates meeces to pieces!"

Or maybe he was chanelling ... (Below threshold)

Or maybe he was chanelling Gollum - Those filthy little Chineses, they tricksied us!

Or maybe he was ch... (Below threshold)
Or maybe he was chanelling Gollum - Those filthy little Chineses, they tricksied us!

Oyster, you owe me for one keyboard and one monitor.

My morning caffeinated beverage is now all over them, thanks to your Gollum quote.

Peter F: It doesn't matt... (Below threshold)
Peter F.:

Peter F: It doesn't matter if it was on purpose. The people are just as dead.

Like hell it doesn't matter! LOL. Your post strongly implies/infers to place blame on corporatism/capitalism for the asshatery of ONE company undercutting another company by suppling a cheaper and obviously dangerous chemical and attempts to use it an atypical example of a (seeming...at least in your eyes) purposseful business/manufacturing practice. The ONLY thing typical about it is that the Panamanian company was seeking to manufacturer its product(s) in the least expensive manner possible in order to compete in the marketplace--just like most, if not all, corporations do. Should that Panamanian company have had tested the chemical first? Yes, obviously, and they'll pay the price for not doing so, as they should.

But it's the unethical and immoral Chinese company who, to their sure-to-be-financial detriment and undoing, supplied the dangerous chemical. In simplistic terms, the Chinese company--and, to a large degree, the Chinese government--does not "get" the capitalistic system of supplying quality goods at an affordable price. That is the problem.

But to claim that corporatism will be "the undoing" of us all is pure hyperbole and shows a real lack of business knowledge on your part.

(I'll say this: Given all the problems Chinese companies and manufacturers/suppliers have had recently--i.e., the dog food poisoning--they better start pulling their head's out of their collective asses and regulate their goods and products before companies--like mine for example--start pulling our business out of China and giving it to say, oh, like India.)

Peter F, that is exactly wh... (Below threshold)
Paul Hamilton:

Peter F, that is exactly what I'm suggesting. And yet we keep buying more and more goods from China all the time, enriching both the criminal businesses there but also the dictatorship that shelters them for the kickbacks they receive.

But if you knowingly deal with a criminal enterprise, you are a criminal yourself. I will not relieve these American - and Panamanian - groups for their own responsibility in this.

As for "Chineses," anybody who has seen my notes is well-aware that I'm a terrible typist. And "S's" are about my most grievous fault -- half the time I'll put them where they don't belong and the other half I'll leave them out where they do.

Communist nation poisons... (Below threshold)

Communist nation poisons hundreds; capitalism to blame.

Those who believe in pure capitalism often maintain that government oversight of commerce is unnecessary. Agencies like the Food and Drug Administration wouldn't exist in this purist form of capitalism.

Well, that type of government agency either doesn't exist or it is toothless in China. So, in fact, from a day-to-day operating standpoint, many aspects of China's economy more closely resemble unrestrained capitalism even though large sectors of the economy are still centrally controlled.

China's economy is booming largely due to the entrepreneurial spirit of unrestrained free enterprise. That's a good thing, but the down side are the excesses that occur when there's no regulatory oversight by government (e.g., unsafe products).

In short, China is really Communist only in name. A truly communist economy has never experienced the kind of growth they are seeing.


Those who believe in pur... (Below threshold)
Veeshir:

Those who believe in pure capitalism often maintain that government oversight of commerce is unnecessary.

Strawman alert!
Or are you talking about Ron Paul or Ron Paul supporters? In which case, I'll buy that. But methinks you weren't thinking of Ron Paul or his supporters. (uh-oh, I mentioned his name three times in this thread, sorry for the infestation)

There are very few capitalists who think that there should be no gov't oversight.

Well, that type of government agency either doesn't exist or it is toothless in China. So, in fact, from a day-to-day operating standpoint, many aspects of China's economy more closely resemble unrestrained capitalism

Ummmmmmmmmm, no.
It resembles unrestrained communism/fascism where the gov't is in charge of the output. You see, the gov't has control because it owns the businesses. So to say the gov't has no oversight is laughable at best and downright disingenuous at worst.

And yet we keep buying m... (Below threshold)
Peter F.:

And yet we keep buying more and more goods from China all the time, enriching both the criminal businesses there but also the dictatorship that shelters them for the kickbacks they receive.

I think this is largely a generalization. Speaking as someone who works for one of Fortune's 100 Best Companies To Work For some 10+ years running now, and whose company has many of its products made in China, I have first-hand knowledge and experience in knowing that there are many, many reputable and professional Chinese manufacturers who are eager to meet our strict standards of production and faior labor. In fact, my company has been not only a leader in establishing industry standards for overseas production in our industry, but in others as well. We demand that our vendors also live up to our manufacturing and labor standards; if they do not, we drop them. I can also assure you that we are not an exception to this rule. There are so many, many reputable Western companies who will not do business with nefarious/shady Chinese companies. (Of course there are some that do not care about standards, but they are by far the exceptions to the rule than they are the norm. Same can be said, IMO, for Chinese companies.)

In the end, it is FAR AND AWAY more profitable in the long run for a company to exhibit and practice corporate responsibility than it is to not. Those who do not, as demonstrated in the article, will perish.

(I still have a bit of a problem with what is essentially communist-backed slave labor; our company, however, pays 2x-3x the the Chinese min. wage. So while I'm not thrilled with the labor aspect of all this, I take comfort in knowing our Chinese workers are paid decently.)

But if you knowingly deal with a criminal enterprise, you are a criminal yourself. I will not relieve these American - and Panamanian - groups for their own responsibility in this.

Absolutely, I couldn't agree more. However, do you think anybody in their right mind is going to buy a product from a company that makes potentially poisonous dog food, for instance? Believe me, my sweetheart of a lab will never again touch one morsel of Alpo Prime Cuts ever again because of the dog food debacle. I wrote Purina and told them as such. And you can bet they've learned their lesson because this got them where it hurt most...in their pocketbook/bottom line.

In the end, none of it is indicative that they capitalist system is a failure or will be "our undoing".

P.S. No need to apologize for typos. I'm the King of 'Em.

He blames capitalism for th... (Below threshold)
Larkin is the dumbest:

He blames capitalism for the problem in China.

OY!




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