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San Francisco celebrates the 4th

If you wonder how they celebrate the 4th of July in Nancy Pelosi's home district, Zombie has the pictures:


I was tempted at first by a public event celebrating the "impending fall of the American Empire" where partiers could learn "flag burning techniques" while cheering on '70s-era proto-terrorists during a guerrilla screening of the documentary film The Weather Underground. Nice!


And as an opening act, in the very same park, I could attend the premiere performance of the San Francisco Mime Troupe's new play "Making a Killing", a delicious wish-fact fantasy about "a cabal of military-industrial-Neo-Con colluders" who trick the US into invading Iraq so they can make money. Starring Dick Cheney, Condoleezza Rice, and the whole gang (and I do mean gang).

But I faced a terrible scheduling conflict -- the day was so crowded with anti-American July 4th events that if I went to those two celebrations I'd end up missing the Propaganda III art show and the Act Against Torture Guantanamo street theater.

A dilemma! What's a progressive to do?

I flipped a coin and it came up heads -- which meant it was the propaganda art show for me!


Read the full report at the link above, but above all see the pictures. They speak for themselves.


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Which one was Lee? Or the o... (Below threshold)

Which one was Lee? Or the other Lefties infecting this site? Looks like their type of party.

Wait a minute did I land on... (Below threshold)
dr lava:

Wait a minute did I land on The Onion site by mistake???

It's hilarious that the entire concept of America and the freedom of self expression just goes sailing right over the head of Jim.

In Jims infantile view of the world these "Monsters" should not be allowed to display such filth and should probably be under arrest.

And to add to the hilarious absurdity...if these pictures are so offensive why publish so many???

Conservative right wing nutjobs never fail to get it wrong and get it wrong in the BEST way.


In Jims infantile view o... (Below threshold)
Veeshir:

In Jims infantile view of the world these "Monsters" should not be allowed to display such filth and should probably be under arrest.

Dude, making fun of somebody isn't the same as saying they shouldn't be allowed to do what they're doing.

Or are you saying that Jim should shut up an probably be put in jail? I would note that the answer to free speech is more free speech. Unless you're a lefty and then you herd people into "free-speech" zones and pass all sorts of "hate-speech" laws.

I do have to say one thing about that show, it was called "propaganda". So couldn't an argument be made that they were using that term in its negative connotation and that they were putting down the obvious, heavy-handed propaganda on display?

I mean, if they were going to put down America, they would have put up "Uncle Sam Wants You" posters and some of the realy heavy-handed, anti-Hun and anti-little-yellow-bastids posters from WWII or anti-commie stuff from the 50s?

Just saying is all.

Oh, and comment preview isn't working so if this comment is messed up it's all Paul's fault.

What a total disconnect fro... (Below threshold)

What a total disconnect from reality the "Dr." is showing.

No where did Jim call for the arrest of the protesters.

If they are so offensive, why publish so many? To clearly display the magnitude of the depravity on the Left.

I think it is the people pictured in Zombie's collection who don't get the "entire concept of America and the freedom of self expression". They use a right protected by the American government to accuse that same government of not allowing them to practice that right. At the same time they support governments and people; Iran, Hamas, Che, Hugo Chavez, et. al., who wouldn't allow them to protest as they are now.

I like to be reminded what ... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

I like to be reminded what liberals think. Usually they try to dress it up here, but deep down, there is a huge disdain for all things American. ww

The most interesting part o... (Below threshold)
taz:

The most interesting part of the Propaganda show was the fact that real propaganda was entered from foriegn governments. That's hilarious.

I hear talk about Connectic... (Below threshold)
bobdog:

I hear talk about Connecticutt seceding from the Union. Is there anything in the Constitution about banishing an area of the country, like San Francisco? I can't remember a city that does a better job of abusing their freedom. Obviously, they don't appreciate it or even want it.

Maybe we could turn San Francisco into an overpriced penal colony and start shipping them our malcontents from other areas of the country. A camp, sort of, to concentrate them all in one spot. Make their paranoid dreams come true. Orange jumpsuits for all.

Perhaps they could apply for citizenship again before they can leave, using the normal naturalization process.

I checked out the Zombie li... (Below threshold)
Mac Lorry:

I checked out the Zombie link; Wow! While Islam really wants Jerusalem maybe they'll settle for San Francisco. It's the only city I can think of that deserves Sharia law.

Zombie is the greatest.... (Below threshold)
Son Of The Godfather:

Zombie is the greatest.

I, for one, want to see what the Scum of San Fran is up to... It amuses me that the idiots congregate in one spot... Their lunatic antics basically preach to the choir there (oooh, look how outrageous I can be!).

Burn a flag in front of me. Yes, you have the right to "express" yourself in this idiotic manner (though I may choose to break the law myself and punch you in the nose).

Brave men have died so the Scum of San Francisco could display the manifestations of piss-poor upbringing and self-loathing. That doesn't mean they have the right to escape scrutiny.

I'm ashamed I ever lived in... (Below threshold)
Peter F.:

I'm ashamed I ever lived in the Bay Area.

It's sick, truly sick.

Nice art display by the lea... (Below threshold)
ODA315:

Nice art display by the leading cultural association "Assclowns for Any Cause".

If Bush closes Gitmo, I say move it to the corner of Polk and Castro.

I have always maintained th... (Below threshold)
Linoge Author Profile Page:

I have always maintained that America could simply lose Kalifornistan... oh... wait... that really would not be that much of a loss, now, would it? And I even have the remarkable misfortune of living here now.

Sure, those people had the right to do whatever they so desired on the Fourth - the irony is that a lot of the people they were protesting against guaranteed them that right. However, having the right to do it does not make it any less stupid, or any less of a disgrace.

Nurse, a valium for "Dr" La... (Below threshold)
C-C-G Author Profile Page:

Nurse, a valium for "Dr" Lava, please. Make it a double.

He gets this way every time someone uses their free speech rights to disagree with something he agrees with.

Hey Lee, JFO, Dr. Lava, etc... (Below threshold)
Jo:

Hey Lee, JFO, Dr. Lava, etc.

Remember: these are your people. You must be so proud.

In some ways, I can imagine that Sharia Law might almost be worth it to see these kinds of sickos suffer under it.

These kids wouldn't suffer ... (Below threshold)
jpm100:

These kids wouldn't suffer under it. They're crying out for tough love, and because free speech is a right, we're abhorred to give it to them. So they despise us and embrace those that would slather them with all the tough love they could ever want.

You see, they don't want responsibility for their own lives. They want to turn their responsibility along with their rights over to whatever dictators will step up to the plate.

I like to be reminded wh... (Below threshold)
mixti:

I like to be reminded what liberals think. Usually they try to dress it up here, but deep down, there is a huge disdain for all things American. ww


For me it is usually a disdain for morons like Vile Willie and not a hatred of America. Somehow though willie keeps mixing himself up with America. you are not America willie.

No, these people really do ... (Below threshold)

No, these people really do hate America. The bulk hate America for no better reason than their personality requires hatred, vandalism both real and virtual, and just being offensive. They lack any coherent reasons for their bile. Nonetheless they do hate America.

A wiseman once said the dif... (Below threshold)
mixti:

A wiseman once said the difference between a nationalist and a patriot, is that a patriot loves his country for what it does; A nationalist loves his country no matter what it does. In this definiton a nazi would be a nationalist.

So what do you call a perso... (Below threshold)
Mac Lorry:

So what do you call a person who hates his country no matter what it does; a liberal?

A wise man once answered a liberal who boasted they were "progressive" with the retort that "so is a fatal disease." Looking at the Zombie site shows just how prophetic that comment was.

a patriot loves hi... (Below threshold)
jpm100:
a patriot loves his country for what it does; A nationalist loves his country no matter what it does.

So a patriot only has to love his country if it does what he agrees with. How convenient.

"So a patriot only has to l... (Below threshold)
mixti:

"So a patriot only has to love his country if it does what he agrees with. How convenient."

So you are saying if you lived in germany in 1941 you would have loved your country and not complained about or wished for the fall of the nazis? Hypothetically speaking of course.

A wiser man once had sex wi... (Below threshold)
mixti:

A wiser man once had sex with mac's wife then sobered up and left.

"A wiseman once said the... (Below threshold)
rrita m:

"A wiseman once said the difference between a nationalist and a patriot, is that a patriot loves his country for what it does; A nationalist loves his country no matter what it does. In this definiton a nazi would be a nationalist."

http://www.mahablog.com/2006/02/19/patriotism-v-nationalism/
Wiseman=Sydney Harris (sources, mixti)

Another comment by mixti:</... (Below threshold)
rrita m:

Another comment by mixti:

(quoting another commenter) Is it just me,or does Mixti keep calling Hugh the dumbass dimwitt yet my 10 yr.old daughter could spell
better than her.

(mixti's comment against this commenter) And she probably turns a trick better than you.
Careful, now. Are you suggesting pædophilia?

Now that mixti has resorted... (Below threshold)

Now that mixti has resorted to a nazi reference, this thread is officially Godwin'd. Good job mixti of showing just how unserious you are.

By the way, one of the signs of a leftist in my taxonomy is that such try to find the shortest distance in any thread to self-justifying name calling of "nazi".

A wiser man once h... (Below threshold)
Mac Lorry:
A wiser man once had sex with mac's wife then sobered up and left.

Spoken like a true San Francisco liberal and likely proud of it.

So you are saying ... (Below threshold)
jpm100:
So you are saying if you lived in germany in 1941 you would have loved your country and not complained about or wished for the fall of the nazis? Hypothetically speaking of course.
No mixti,

assuming you believe that the Nazi government was still a legitimate government of the people at that point and you are willing to oppose them and facilitate their downfall, then you surrender being a patriot.

Liberals, like yourself, want it both ways.

In this definiton ... (Below threshold)
C-C-G Author Profile Page:
In this definiton a nazi would be a nationalist.

I always find it interesting when a lefty brings up the Nazi party.

Did you know, Mixti, that Nazi is short for Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei, which is German for "National Socialist German Workers Party? I suspect not. The full name itself, including "Socialist" and "Workers" brings it much closer to the modern American left than to the right.

A quick glance at their party platform also shows far more similarities with the American left than the right. To be sure, there are the nationalist planks which have you so up in arms, Mitzi, but there's also these:

13. We demand the nationalization of all trusts.

14. We demand profit-sharing in large industries.

15. We demand a generous increase in old-age pensions.

16. We demand the creation and maintenance of a sound middle-class, the immediate communalization of large stores which will be rented cheaply to small tradespeople, and the strongest consideration must be given to ensure that small traders shall deliver the supplies needed by the State, the provinces and municipalities.

17. We demand an agrarian reform in accordance with our national requirements, and the enactment of a law to expropriate the owners without compensation of any land needed for the common purpose. The abolition of ground rents, and the prohibition of all speculation in land.(emphasis added)

And then at the end, there is this statement that would make Stalin, or even Hillary, proud:

COMMON GOOD BEFORE INDIVIDUAL GOOD

So think long and hard before equating Nazism with conservatism. It's very clear that Nazism is far closer to socialism, which I presume you support.

Oops, looks like the blockq... (Below threshold)
C-C-G Author Profile Page:

Oops, looks like the blockquote tag didn't work quite the way it used to. I think you can still tell where the large quote ends, tho.

Linoge,I... (Below threshold)

Linoge,

I have always maintained that America could simply lose Kalifornistan... oh... wait... that really would not be that much of a loss, now, would it? And I even have the remarkable misfortune of living here now.

I've maintained for years that if that blue strip along the coast from north of San Diego to north of the Bay Area would just crack off and move out a couple of miles, they could have their own state. Call it New California.

That way they can attempt to establish their socialist nirvana and leave the rest of us Californian's alone.

Has to be the worst (city) ... (Below threshold)
Knightbrigade:

Has to be the worst (city) of demented asshats in the country.

Do I feel an earthquake ????..............................................lol

Che on Mount Rushmore?... (Below threshold)

Che on Mount Rushmore?

Why, oh why, do these leftists iconize such a despicable communist, murderous thug? They do that, and yet want to be taken seriously?

The lefties at Wizbang can protest all they want that is not what they believe, but it never fails that at one of those counter-culture displays, Che will make an appearance.

Look at pictures of almost any lefty protest and you will be sure to find people wearing t-shirts with Che's likeness adorning them.

Again, they want to be taken seriously, and protest that they are true Americans?

The way history is taught i... (Below threshold)
C-C-G Author Profile Page:

The way history is taught in schools today, a lot of those folks probably think Che was an American.

Here is how those traitors ... (Below threshold)
nogo war:

Here is how those traitors who served multiple tours ruined Downtown Denver on the 4th
http://picasaweb.google.com/cblikeshikes/OperationFirstCasualtyDenver/photo#s5083489366148290866
this was done by that lefty group
Iraq Veterans against the war...
I tried to google Iraq Veterans for the War and could not find any...any patriot here have a link for "Iraq Veterans for the war" Surely there must be one...I thought I could find a link here
http://icasualties.org/oif/ ..but it was just another lefty site using the DOD and hometown newspapers trying to pretend the Surge is not working...

As a vet my heart goes out ... (Below threshold)
nogo war:

As a vet my heart goes out to the families of the 13 troops KIA in the past two days...especially the three SEALS...they were a part of the same unit as the son of our next door neighbor..
She said she met two of them when she visited her son in Norfolk last summer..she did get a chance to talk to "Nick"..he is safe..
So many of you respond with scorn to those that say "enough"...well this is no longer 2003...
The majority of Americans are saying enough..
Hell Rep. Doolittle (CA) is saying enough!
So if you want to scorn an increasing number of Americans...Dems..Republicans..Independents..

from July 2003...he has not changed..obviously many of you have not either..

"More than 65 U.S. troops have died in Iraq since Bush declared on May 1 that major combat had ended. Twenty-six were killed in combat, the rest in accidents.

Bush pledged to find and punish "anybody who wants to harm American troops," and said the attacks would not weaken his resolve to restore peace and order in Iraq."

"There are some who feel like that the conditions are such that they can attack us there. My answer is bring them on," Bush said. "We've got the force necessary to deal with the security situation."

One last thought before I d... (Below threshold)
nogo war:

One last thought before I depart

the above article was dated July 2 2003
65 dead from may first...through then..
from May 1st 2007 through yesterday
254 KIA

Nogo, quit with the driveby... (Below threshold)
C-C-G Author Profile Page:

Nogo, quit with the drivebys already.

This is a driveby<a ... (Below threshold)
nogo war:
And so we see again that th... (Below threshold)

And so we see again that the anti-American left cannot help themselves. They can scarcely contain their glee when an American soldier is killed, or our allies or innocent civilians. They just can't help but rejoice at the "successes" (i.e., mass murders) of the terrorists.

And thus, they reveal the treason which lives within their hearts. As the photographic record Zombie has compiled in San Francisco shows, these are not merely people with a policy disagreement: they are the sworn enemies of America and everything for which she stands.

Our own lefty trolls merely underline the point. We should thank them for the clarity they occasionally provide us.

The amazing thing about dr ... (Below threshold)

The amazing thing about dr lava's blitherings is that Zombie and Jim Addison here are granting the marchers their fondest wish -- they are propagating them message far beyond San Francisco, spreading their words and images and ideas across the nation and the world, letting their own words and deeds be seen unaltered and unadulterated.

And that is considered a call for censorship.

Astonishing. Truly astonishing.

J.

Jay, no one ever accused le... (Below threshold)
C-C-G Author Profile Page:

Jay, no one ever accused lefties of being smart.

The really sad part is not ... (Below threshold)
mixti:

The really sad part is not that you guys disagree with me. The truly sad part is that most of you are not even capable of understanding the argument made.

It went right over many heads. Look at some of the responses. C-C-G basically went on to explain how nazi's were socialist (talk about missing the point). Someone complained about how liberals are always calling conservaives nazis etc...

The Nazi reference of course, for the benefit of the more intelligent, was to put forth a hypothetical, do you beleive you should love your country no matter what it does or not? So for instance would you feel good about America if we started rounding kids and up and torturing them wholesale? it is a hypothetical to demonstrate a point. The point being that if you beleive your govermenet is violating important values it is ok to be angry with it. i assume most of you would be upset at America if we did things.

But oh well, I know for some of you this is a waste of breath. C-C-G and his ilk will see the word nazi, miss the point and assume they have been called such. I have called C-C-G stupid, but not a nazi and any fair minded person would see that.


Well, mixti, that sure soun... (Below threshold)

Well, mixti, that sure sounds like a farewell post. Considering that your entire point was ridiculous in the first place - insinuating that criticizing an exercise of "free speech" means some slavish allegiance to the regime - we have certainly devoted more than enough bandwidth to your diversions already. You and your anti-American pals in Frisco have the right to speak, but no right to be free from criticism of that speech.

I'm sure I speak for most of the folks here when I wish you Godspeed in taking your arrogant nonsense to some other little corner of the internet.

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mixti:

Comment removed. Refer to TOS here: http://wizbangblog.com/tos/tos.php

Comment removed for violati... (Below threshold)
mixti:

Comment removed for violation of Terms of Service.

Continued violations may result in banning.

Comment removed for violati... (Below threshold)
mixti:

Comment removed for violating TOS.

Mixti, nazi references are ... (Below threshold)

Mixti, nazi references are never for the intelligent. They are the last refuge of the losing side - cheap name calling. hence Godwin's Law.

Mixti, you can leave in a t... (Below threshold)
C-C-G Author Profile Page:

Mixti, you can leave in a taxi. If you can't get a taxi, you can leave in a huff. And if that's too soon, you can leave in a minute 'n' a huff.

I was commenting o... (Below threshold)
I was commenting on the way you and your ilk always miss the point.So thanks once again for proving me right by showing how stupid you are.

Possibly, we aren't missing the point. Possibly, you are failing to make one.

Any person of average inte... (Below threshold)
mixti:

Any person of average intelligence can see the point, even if they disagree with it. If you think there is no point then, you have demonstrated that you are not even of average intelligence and should consider getting off your couch and back to school before it is too late.

Better post this again for ... (Below threshold)
mixti:

Better post this again for those who think they were called nazi.

But oh well, I know for some of you this is a waste of breath. C-C-G and his ilk will see the word nazi, miss the point and assume they have been called such. I have called C-C-G stupid, but not a nazi and any fair minded person would see that.

mixti, On... (Below threshold)
Mac Lorry:

mixti,

Once again, the cowardice continues as the moderators (who are retarded circus monkeys) will only remove ad hominem commets from those onthe left.

It's not just the content of the ad hominem attack it's who you attack that gets them removed. Note your comment about "sex with mac's wife" was not removed.

What many Wizbang regulars find amusing is when some new lefty shows up, cuts lose with ad hominem attacks, and then boasts about their intellectual powers as in their points just go over our heads. Well your points didn't go over anyone's head, they just failed to stand up to reason.

I have argued with other commenters ad nauseam on some threads, but neither party resorted to ad hominem personal attacks. If you want to debate with conservatives turn your flame thrower off and the reasoning side of your brain on. Otherwise, that author of the piece may turn the fire hose on you.

The comment to mac was afte... (Below threshold)
mixti:

The comment to mac was after an attack on me. So i don't exactly feel bad about it.

The reason I call people stupid is not because they disagree with me. The ones I have called stupid have failed to grasp the ideas of my post. Read what i wrote on nazis then see how many construed it as if I was calling conservatives nazis. I have called people many far worse things than nazis so i would have no problem taking credit for it if that was my intention. If ANYONE demonstrates they understand what I wrote i can engage in a civil discussion.

if they don't, I am forced to conclude that they are just dumb.

I have to say, while being ... (Below threshold)
Sir Loin:

I have to say, while being very rude, mixti is right that everyone seems to be missing his point.

Of course the question is at what point do you feel your country has done something to justify this anger? This is where conservatives and progressives disagree.

I do think it is right to express anger though, if you feel your country is being run badly. That anger should be limited to those in power and not the country itself.

The comment to mac... (Below threshold)
Mac Lorry:
The comment to mac was after an attack on me. So i don't exactly feel bad about it.

Making fun of liberals in general is not a personal attack on you. Making a sexual comment about the wife of a specific commenter is a personal attack. I hope that point didn't go over your head.

"I do think it is right ... (Below threshold)
rrita m:

"I do think it is right to express anger though, if you feel your country is being run badly. That anger should be limited to those in power and not the country itself."

Agreed.

"Making a sexual comment about the wife of a specific commenter is a personal attack."

Specific case in point.

Of course the ques... (Below threshold)
Mac Lorry:
Of course the question is at what point do you feel your country has done something to justify this anger? This is where conservatives and progressives disagree.

I think we understand the point mixti was making. The correct response to that point is you don't throw out the baby with the bath water. Let me explain least that point be missed

Liberals carry around with them all of America's past sins; everything from stealing the land from the natives, to slavery, to dropping the A bomb on Japan. They also see the evil in the capitalist system, and the "consumer" society. Conservatives put the past sins in the perspective of the times they were committed and take little blame for the deeds of the long dead. Yes capitalism has it's evils, but so does every other system devised by humans.

Liberals see conservatives' lack of guilt as a sign of low intelligence, thus the smarter than tho attitude. Conservatives see liberal's sense of guilt as self hatred and unpatriotic. In the end both liberals and conservatives want to make America a better place, we just disagree on what "better" means and how we get there.

Unlike nazi Germany, America doesn't need to be destroyed first. In fact, in this day and age, it could never be rebuilt again. Thus, whatever change is to be made to America it must be made within the system we have. Those who show disrespect for that system should earn the contempt of every thinking American. Get it?

Any person of... (Below threshold)

Any person of average intelligence can see the point, even if they disagree with it. If you think there is no point then, you have demonstrated that you are not even of average intelligence and should consider getting off your couch and back to school before it is too late.

Posted by mixti | July 8, 2007 7:17 PM

You want me to go back to school? You mean the same schools that are turning out people like you?

I don't think so.

SAN FRANCISCO is the most v... (Below threshold)
spurwing plover:

SAN FRANCISCO is the most vile place in america the best thing we can do its to boycott the whole damn place let them have their stupid gay pride day and have their rainbow flags and sissy pink ribbons SCREW SAN FRANCISCO and MR NEWSROM TEAR DOWN THAT BRIDGE

Liberals see conservativ... (Below threshold)
mixti:

Liberals see conservatives' lack of guilt as a sign of low intelligence, thus the smarter than tho attitude. Conservatives see liberal's sense of guilt as self hatred and unpatriotic. In the end both liberals and conservatives want to make America a better place, we just disagree on what "better" means and how we get there."

Mac, I completly agree with what you have written here. beleive it or not (and it is fine if you don't beleive it).

Let me ask you a question though. If you read through my posts and the posts of others here you will see examples of both extremes. Conservatives questioning the patriotism of liberals (this thread) Liberals questioning the intelligence of conservatives (many of my posts) The question I have is this:

Whenever many a liberal sees a post like say the one from spurwing, they are going to be inclined to write or think something along the lines of "the Georgia moron contingent" Whenver a conservative sees a post like that in response, they are going to think "Godamnn hippe traiters" or some such thing.

As this obviously keeps anger raging at a maximum level on both sides, how would you honestly suggest this stop in order to have honest discussion?

Because frankly I wonder if it is possible at all. I did not get an exactly warm greeting on this site and I certainly did not respond in a friendly way. I'd be willing to bet money I could post the sweetest posible argument on this site and get called just about every name there is, and I'd be willing to bet that plenty of liberals will drop be this site in the next few months to question how smart conservatives are.

I'm curious to hear your reply, though I must leave for a few hours.

Three strikes and you're... (Below threshold)
Kevin Author Profile Page:

Three strikes and you're out mixti, you've been banned from commenting. If you'd like to discuss this use the site e-mail address.

As this obviously ... (Below threshold)
Mac Lorry:
As this obviously keeps anger raging at a maximum level on both sides, how would you honestly suggest this stop in order to have honest discussion?

Conservatives and liberals must forgive themselves, past generations, and this generation. Forgiveness is embedded in the Christian tradition many conservatives derive there value's from. Liberals are progressive, but no progress is possible in the presents of hate.

We need to come to understand that we (all Americans) need each other. WW2 provided that glue for my father's generation, but no external threat has so united Americans since. The 9/11 attacks had that effect, but it was short lived. We need common answers to questions like what makes America unique? What makes America successful? What makes America the place where people want to live?

We need a common vision of what America should be and what role America should play in the world? We have to find common ground if this nation is going to unite and solve any serious problem.

We can heal this nation either because we are all smart enough to understand that it must be healed, or we can let some external threat force us to unite, or we can continue on our current track to our own demise.

Obviously, we are not going to get 100 percent consensus on anything, but we only need a consistent majority that knows the importance of remaining united on core values.

I only wish I know how we could do this.

Three strikes and ... (Below threshold)
C-C-G Author Profile Page:
Three strikes and you're out mixti, you've been banned from commenting. If you'd like to discuss this use the site e-mail address.

Thank you, Kevin.

Please don't offer him/her a job at Blue. One Leeward is enough.

Let them use a vulture for ... (Below threshold)
spurwing plover:

Let them use a vulture for the PEOPLES REPUBLIC OF SAN FRANCISCO we,ll still use a eagle

I apologize to everyone, es... (Below threshold)

I apologize to everyone, especially Mac, for not monitoring this thread more closely. I admit I scanned the earlier comments from mixti and others too cursorily, and missed at least one earlier violation of the rules. But as my late friend Col. Max Boldin of the Virginia State Police related, whenever he had pulled over a speeder who protested others were going even faster, he would ask, "When you go fishing, do you catch 'em all?"

Still, I should have been more diligent if I was going to post a controversial thread.

As another reader pointed out, the coverage Zombie and I gave the Frisco leftists only enhanced their freedom of speech by exposing it to a wider audience. Funny, is it not, that leftists will protest, disrupt, and shout down conservative speakers, but when conservatives merely repeat what the leftists say we are engaging in "censorship?"

These trolls live to be banned, though. They can then go brag about it on leftist sites, claiming we are "stifling free speech" - even when their conduct clearly violates the Terms of Service.

Mixti will likely be the big hit of the next Che Guevara Society's monthly "Palestinian Awareness and Wine-Tasting Night" . . .

These trolls live ... (Below threshold)
These trolls live to be banned, though. They can then go brag about it on leftist sites, claiming we are "stifling free speech" - even when their conduct clearly violates the Terms of Service.

Ha! Was banned from DU in 15 minutes flat. One comment was all it took.

And all I did was post some links to news stories about how big business, including Walmart, were flooding supplies and money into Katrina ravaged areas in the very earlies hours.

DU'ers contention being, of course, that corporate America would fleece the people there dry but wouldn't lift a finger to help.

Simply proving them wrong was banworthy. And I hardly snarked at all.

the PROPAGANDA III WORLD TO... (Below threshold)

the PROPAGANDA III WORLD TOUR currently has received nearly 600 political posters from around the world.

the entire collection is viewable via:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/startpropaganda/

the PROPAGANDA III exhibition is predicated upon NO CURATION and NO CENSORSHIP.

EVERY submission has been included. and yes, we are still looking for MORE submissions - from ALL political perspectives...

Jim,I'm not for ba... (Below threshold)
Mac Lorry:

Jim,

I'm not for banning mixti, at least not at this point. As you can see I was finally able to engage them in some form or reasonable debate partly because you hosed down some of their flames. I think that would have been enough, at least for now.

If all or even most of the liberals who challenge us are banned we'll just be preaching to each other and never have to think hard about some of our positions.

Some come to Whizzing for entertainment and as you can see from the time stamp of comments, not much was going on in this thread until maxti started posting again. If you and/or Kevin want readership, you might want to restrain from banning folks like mixti. In past ages royal courts included costumed fools and jesters just for that purpose (the costume was needed to make a distinction between them and the real fools and clowns).

Anyway, that's my two cents.

"Ha! Was banned from DU ... (Below threshold)
LAB:

"Ha! Was banned from DU in 15 minutes flat. One comment was all it took."

Interesting...

"Conservatives and liberals must forgive themselves, past generations, and this generation."

Agreed, Mac Lorry. Fully and implicitly. As difficult as it is sometimes.

Mac ~ Generally, we don't p... (Below threshold)

Mac ~ Generally, we don't permanently ban posters the first time. He/she/it will have to agree to abide by the TOS, though. Mixti was aggressively "in our face" violating it repeatedly. Sometimes a breather puts things into perspective.

If he/she/it will abide by the rules, I welcome h/s/i back. There's room within the rules for a good bit of back-and-forth, and we don't come down on minor or borderline violators.

However, we all should remember that Wizbang is a privately owned site, and no one paid to be here. We are all here as Kevin Aylward's guests, and we need to follow the rules he has set down. BUT, as a private owner, he can ban anyone he wants for any reason he wants - or no reason at all - at any time he wants. When he does, it isn't "censorship" in any respect. It's just "ownership."

Jim,I know you and... (Below threshold)
Mac Lorry:

Jim,

I know you and Kevin are well within your rights to ban anyone at any time. In my business I also have the right to refuse to do business with anyone of my customers for any reason I like. I don't think that's really the issue, however.

I'm in business to serve my customers. Find a business that doesn't understand that and I'll show you a business that most likely won't be around long. There are thousands upon thousands of blogs, but without readers they might as well be writing a diary. I'm assuming that with Wizbang's rank of something like the 32nd most read blog that there's now enough advertising revenue to start making things interesting for Kevin. If that's right and if Kevin wants to grow that readership, then Kevin needs to serve his readers, just as any business needs to serve it's customers. It's with that background I posted my comment above.

Mac ~ Yes, obviously one mu... (Below threshold)

Mac ~ Yes, obviously one must "keep the customer satisfied" in order to survive and grow. However, the fact is that we get far more complaints about the disruptive, insulting, and off-topic comments from leftist trolls than about the few who are banned even temporarily. We've lost readers who've been disgusted by it and left for good.

On balance, then, Kevin is bending over backwards to accommodate "diversity" in opinion against his direct interests - at least from the numbers of readers who have voiced opinions on the subject.

I might add that our policy - as well as that of most conservative blogs which allow comments - is far more lenient than that of the most prominent leftist sites. It is NOT a free-for-all, though.

We want to have a open discussion, but there are rules and if people who deliberately violate them are not dealt with, the rules mean nothing.

Jim,Thanks for tak... (Below threshold)
Mac Lorry:

Jim,

Thanks for taking the time to give me the scoop. Kevin is smart to host an open discussion and yet try to find balance. It's one of the things that makes Wizbang unique and my number one blog.

Keep up the good work!

How conveniently you all wh... (Below threshold)
nogo war:

How conveniently you all whiz past
http://picasaweb.google.com/cblikeshikes/OperationFirstCasualtyDenver/photo#s5083489327493585186

What hypocritical...spineless folks you all are

You want to call these men...who served multiple tours that you can still sign up for if under 42.. for a lie, cowards? ..you maintain from cheap sound bites from Rush/Fox etc.

These men did what they did because they personally experienced the effect/affects of the lie...just as I did 37 years ago...
Please continue to pretend that the sheep are not looking up in America ...

I await rallies by Iraq vets in support of this debacle..any of you patriots have a time or place where such an event will take place?
Didn't think so...

Well, some 567 of them held... (Below threshold)

Well, some 567 of them held a "demonstration" in Baghdad the other day where they reenlisted. How many show up at the surrender demos?

But if you want to highlight your policy of defeat and retreat, here's a thought: start your own blog, and you can cover whatever the hell you want.

NogoIsn't America ... (Below threshold)
Mac Lorry:

Nogo

Isn't America great! Even Iraq Vets get to express their opinion and stage demonstrations in public to make their point. Like Col. North said, thousands of young men died face down in the mud to give us that freedom.

Don't worry, the American people don't have the resolve to win in Iraq, so in won't be long and Bush will be forced to bring the war home to America. Then you and all the other's with their heads up their ass will get a chance to fight the terrorists up front and close.




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