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Not a whole lot of life at Live Earth

After all the hype, Live Earth came and went, but not with the bang organizers hoped. In the US, it came in last place on NBC:

NBC's three-hour primetime "Live Earth" special, which included highlights from Saturday's global concerts, failed to generate much enthusiasm in the ratings.

The estimated 2.7 million viewers was slightly under the 3 million viewers NBC has averaged on Saturday nights in the summer with repeats and the Stanley Cup hockey playoffs on what is already the least-popular night of television.

It also performed below the Live 8 concert two years ago, according to preliminary estimates released Monday by Nielsen Media Research.

The three-hour concert special from Giants Stadium in East Rutherford, N.J., drew a 0.9 rating/3 share in adults 18-49 --- the same as a typical summer Saturday after Memorial Day.

It wasn't received that well in the UK, where Madonna performed:

Live Earth has been branded a foul-mouthed flop.

Organisers of the global music concert - punctuated by swearing from presenters and performers - had predicted massive viewing figures.

But BBC's live afternoon television coverage attracted an average British audience of just 900,000.

In the evening, when coverage switched from BBC2 to BBC1, the figure rose to just 2.7 million.

And the peak audience, which came when Madonna sang at Wembley, was a dismal 4.5 million. Three times as many viewers saw the Princess Diana tribute on the same channel six days before.

But the Boston Globe is trying to spin away the hypocrisy and the poor ratings by arguing that Live Earth brought the climate change message to "billions." This is typical liberal pap: forget the facts, it's the intentions that are important:

That's what's so annoying about the criticism being leveled at Live Earth, ranging from the energy consumed and waste generated by the event itself to the vagueness of its goals. It seems that the potential to influence nearly a third of the world's population to engage the issue and change their behavior outweighs the negative impact, and given what's at stake that's a leap of faith worth taking.

Bob Geldof wasn't impressed:

And shame on the naysayers griping about the politics of hypocrisy or the value of staging an event of this scope without a measurable outcome. Bob Geldof, organizer of Live Aid and Live 8, told a Dutch newspaper that "I would only organize [Live Earth] if I could go onstage and announce concrete environmental measures from the American presidential candidates, Congress or major corporations. They haven't got those guarantees, so it's just an enormous pop concert."

The author responds with this:

I saw a drunk middle-aged man toss his beer bottle in a recycling bin for the first time. Multiply that by 2 billion. That's a measurable outcome.

Amazing. This author is arguing that one drunk throwing his beer bottle into a recycling bin is proof that two billion people watching the concert will do so as well. And how is she going to support that statistic? Well, she can't, but that didn't stop her from asserting it anyway. That's liberalism for you: wishful thinking presented as fact.

Update: Investors Business Daily has a few actual facts about the Live Earth concerts:

John Buckley of Carbonfootprint.com has calculated the footprints of the various stars, and we can only conclude that if Bigfoot exists, he (or she) is a musician. The top five performing acts have an annual output of 2,000 tons of carbon. Madonna alone has a footprint of 1,018 tons, according to Buckley.

All this does not factor in the trucks required to transport equipment, the fans transporting themselves or the power needed to stage each show. Then there is the waste.

Dr. Andrea Collins of Cardiff University estimated that the concert at Wembley Stadium produced 59 tons of garbage. It has 2,618 toilets. The aforementioned Ms. Crow, whose hit "Everyday Is A Winding Road" is used to sell Subaru AWDs, must have been very busy.

And take a look at how organizers are justifying all this excessive energy consumption:

John Rego, environmental director of Live Earth, insists the multi-continent charade, like the mansions of Gore, Madonna et al., was "carbon-neutral."

"We have chosen a reforestation and agricultural project in Mozambique," he explained. "It is a credible certifiable carbon-diffused project. We are in the process of purchasing a carbon-offset."

Certifiable, yes. Credible, no. Rego did not elaborate on just how many trees have to be planted to offset the emissions of the Lear and Gulfstream jets that flew performers an estimated 222,623 miles, as the Crow flies, to their respective events, not to mention back again.

That's about nine times around the Earth. One hour flying in a Gulfstream jet burns as much fuel as driving your family car for a year.

Carbon-offsets are nothing but a complete scam. If these folks really cared about the earth, why didn't Al Gore and his ilk just do the "reforestation and agricultural project" without the Live Earth concert? Why be carbon "neutral" when you can get ahead? After all, if you're Al Gore, and you're testifying in front of Congress that the earth has a fever, you're pushing a documentary that insists the earth is in dire need of help, you're traveling the globe reiterating this message, and you really believe this message, then it's simply not good enough to be carbon-neutral.


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The time and effort would h... (Below threshold)
Son Of The Godfather:

The time and effort would have been much better spent hunting down manbearpig.

c'mmon - when i firs... (Below threshold)
macofromoc:


c'mmon - when i first heard madonna was there, the first thing i thought of was recycled trash.

....if I could go onstag... (Below threshold)
Peter F.:

....if I could go onstage and announce concrete environmental measures from the American presidential candidates, Congress or major corporations.

If only WE dirty Americans changed OUR evil, CO2-polluting ways, everything would be just hunky dorey, wouldn't it, Bob?

Raise awareness of global warming? Who the f*** isn't aware of it? Tribesmen in New Guinea maybe. And I'm pretty certain don't get Bravo! MSNBC or the BBC...

This sounds like a bitter c... (Below threshold)
jp2:

This sounds like a bitter conservative who was never invited to any kinds of parties.

Also someone who has never made an effort to better her community.

World's biggest under the t... (Below threshold)
jpm100:

World's biggest under the table campaign donation in history.

I took a page out of Al Gor... (Below threshold)
Mac Lorry:

I took a page out of Al Gore's book to green myself up a bit. I offset my use of bottled water by not going to rock concerts and mostly eating at home. I offset my use of energy by not flying through the upper atmosphere on multiple vacations per year. With these life-style offsets I'm as green as Al Gore. When Al starts living down to the level he wants others to live at than people might be interested in hearing what he has to say.

So all that jet fuel, elect... (Below threshold)
C-C-G Author Profile Page:

So all that jet fuel, electricity, gasoline for the limos, and diesel fuel for the trucks added up to... what?

Can some lefty tell me honestly what this accomplished that couldn't be done by more environmentally-friendly methods, like TV ads?

This is science we're talki... (Below threshold)

This is science we're talking about, Kim. Why are you bringing numbers into it???

As usual you wont tell the ... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:

As usual you wont tell the full story.

NEW YORK - Nineteen million people tuned in to watch the Live Earth concerts on NBC and cable channels affiliated with the network, according to Nielsen Media Research.

Also, a reported 9-million watched on-line. That still does not count number that listened on radio.

Yeah, lefties, Live Earth w... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

Yeah, lefties, Live Earth was a huge success. The country is electrified. Yawn. ZZZZZ. Crickets chirtping. Another Algore disaster. B level bands. ww

-Ratings Breakdown:I... (Below threshold)
RicardoVerde:

-Ratings Breakdown:
It was another dull summer Saturday of mixed leadership, with CBS the most-watched network and Fox No. 1 among adults 18-49. The three-hour Live Earth Concert on NBC finished last, with just 2.75 million viewers and a 0.9 rating/3 share among adults 18-49 from 8-11 p.m.

Source: Nielsen Media Research data


http://www.mediaweek.com/mw/newsletters/proginsider/index.jsp

I wonder how much Al Gore's... (Below threshold)
hermie:

I wonder how much Al Gore's carbon offset company made off these losers.

Live Earth was this weekend... (Below threshold)
yo:

Live Earth was this weekend?

Barney, Ricardo's informati... (Below threshold)
C-C-G Author Profile Page:

Barney, Ricardo's information includes a link, which, if visited, corroborates his post.

I guess that means that your "data" is once again the product of your fevered, BDS-infected imagination.

You're quickly losing what little credibility you had to begin with. Better stop making claims you can't back up.

Barney had credibility?... (Below threshold)
steak111111:

Barney had credibility?

The writer of the Boston Gl... (Below threshold)

The writer of the Boston Globe piece is a movie and music critic. She has no particular qualification to opine on the scientific or political aspects - not that it ever stopped her before.


C-C-G ~ Your insinuation that Barney ever had any credibility also requires a link, please.

;-)

So, for a world wide... (Below threshold)

So, for a world wide global warming alarmism event, about 29 million watched, of the 6.5 billion humans on this earth.

Remarkable it drew that much interest.

Jim, I am going to where I ... (Below threshold)
C-C-G Author Profile Page:

Jim, I am going to where I used to find Barney's credibility rating, but I am getting a 404 error now.

;-)

Only Liberals would be plea... (Below threshold)

Only Liberals would be pleasantly surprised to see someone throw their empties into the trash. What an accomplishment! I don't hang out with people who don't clean up after themselves, I'd have been shocked to see someone not do it. Unless it was a Liberal.

After further study maybe it is an accomplishment.

Microsoft Corp.'s (MSFT.O: ... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:

Microsoft Corp.'s (MSFT.O: Quote, Profile , Research) Web portal MSN said on Saturday that Live Earth concerts generated more than 9 million Internet streams, the most ever for an online entertainment event.

http://investing.reuters.co.uk/news/articleinvesting.aspx?type=allBreakingNews&storyID=2007-07-09T220206Z_01_N09304959_RTRIDST_0_ENVIRONMENT-CONCERT-RATINGS.XML

http://www.comcast.net/entertainment/index.jsp?cat=ENTERTAINMENT&fn=/2007/07/09/710386.html

NEW YORK - Nineteen million people tuned in to watch the Live Earth concerts on NBC and cable channels affiliated with the network, according to Nielsen Media Research.

The total audience of 18.995 million includes viewers who watched at least six minutes of the telecasts on NBC, CNBC, Telemundo, the Sundance Channel, Bravo, MSNBC and Universal HD.

That doesn't even count the radio numbers.

I will await my apologies.

barneyGRUBBLE:... (Below threshold)
marc:

barneyGRUBBLE:

As usual you wont tell the full story.

And as usual you provide no link to waht you claim.

Here's how you do it:

Saturday 7/07/07
Note: The following results are based on the fast affiliate ratings (Live Plus Same Day data).

Household Rating/Share
CBS: 3.8/ 8, Fox: 3.0/ 6, ABC: 2.1/ 4, NBC: 1.8/ 4

-Total Viewers:
CBS: 5.21 million, Fox: 4.60, ABC: 3.42, NBC: 2.75

-Adults 18-49:
Fox: 1.5 rating/6 share, ABC and CBS: 1.1/ 4 each, NBC: 0.9/ 3

AND THIS IS FUNNY... Take heart NBC you had more viewers than this Brisbane large outdoor screen had. The picture is PRICELESS!

Barney, Ricardo posted a li... (Below threshold)
C-C-G Author Profile Page:

Barney, Ricardo posted a link directly to the Nielsen site.

Yours is to a third-party site.

I'll believe the numbers right from the horses' mouth, thankyouverymuch.

Gore 08: The Trinity<... (Below threshold)
Dante:

Gore 08: The Trinity

"I have climbed the highest mountains
I have run through the fields
Only to see through you
Only to see through you"

"I have run you have crawled
through my campaign porta stalls
Only to be with you
But I still haven't found
That cash you have stored
But I still haven't found
That cash you have stored.

I have kissed money lips
Felt the warming in their tips
It burned like FIRE!
This Warming desire
I have spoke science Global
I have held the hand of Devil
It was warm the Eighth ring
Not as cold as I stoned
But I still haven't found
That cash you have stored

I believe in the Kingdome for Some
Then all the colors will bleed for One
But yes I'm still running
You sold the bonds
You loosed the chains
Pardons granted
And my shame
All the same
You know I believe it
But I still haven't found
What Tipper's lookin for.
But I still haven't found
The Gipper's magic lore.

barneyGRUBBLEYou f... (Below threshold)
marc:

barneyGRUBBLE

You forgot this part of your al-Reuters link:

The main three-hour American TV broadcast on NBC averaged a meager 2.7 million viewers, ranking as the least-watched U.S. program on Saturday night and falling below NBC's summer prime-time Saturday average, Nielsen Media Research reported on Monday.

Even rival network ABC's rerun telecast of the animated film "Monsters Inc" garnered a bigger audience -- 3.3 million viewers. The most watched show of the evening was the CBS news magazine "48 Hours" with 6.5 million viewers.

By comparison, NBC, a unit of General Electric Co. (GE.N: Quote, Profile , Research), averaged 8.8 million viewers with its hourlong broadcast of the memorial concert for the late Princess Diana the previous Sunday.

It was the same story in Britain, where BBC One coverage of the Live Earth climax at London's Wembley Stadium, leading up to Madonna's eagerly awaited finale, averaged 3.1 million viewers, compared with 11.4 million for the Diana tribute.

Bwhahahahahahah....<p... (Below threshold)
Jo:

Bwhahahahahahah....

Anotherliberal BUST.

Love it, love it, love it.

Okay. So you don't believe ... (Below threshold)
Publicus:

Okay. So you don't believe in global warming. But how can you complain about a concert that includes Spinal Tap?

"... includes viewers who w... (Below threshold)
yo:

"... includes viewers who watched at least six minutes of the telecasts ... "

woo .. um .. hoo.

6 minutes. Long enough to figure out it sucked ass and decided to change the channel.

6 minutes. Time I betcha' 50% of those who watched wish they had back.

Numbers alone do not a message send.

The total audience of 18.99... (Below threshold)
RFA:

The total audience of 18.995 million includes viewers who watched at least six minutes of the telecasts
Posted by BarneyG2000 | July 9, 2007 8:52 PM

Six minutes is about all most of them could stand to watch or listen.

Okay. So you don't beli... (Below threshold)
marc:

Okay. So you don't believe in global warming. But how can you complain about a concert that includes Spinal Tap?

Only if barneyGRUBBLE is at the concert and he's the one in reciept the "spinal tap."

marc and ccg seem to be bli... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:

marc and ccg seem to be blind to the facts that:
A) more than one network broadcasted the concert so you have to add the ratings of all the networks together to get the correct numbers

B) I provided the links to the sites I pulled the data from.

C) they ignore that more than 9-million internet broadcasts were transmitted.

D) XFM, and others broadcasted the concerts.

Sorry grubble... the post i... (Below threshold)
marc:

Sorry grubble... the post is specifically about TV ratings.

You want to count internet impressions be my guest. The entire effort was billed as a TV EVENT and it went BUST.

It's ok Barney, live the dr... (Below threshold)
yo:

It's ok Barney, live the dream, man. That's all that's important.

Live Earth was no Live 8 which was no Live Aid which was no Woodstock.

Trend it, baby. No one cares what a bunch of spoiled rock stars have to say about anything.

Really.

S'true.

heck, you could make those numbers be 50 million, and still 20 times as many people watched the Super Bowl.

What's that mean? Nothing, of course.

Just like Live Earth - which I swore wasn't until next weekend.

Okay, Barney, let's accept ... (Below threshold)
C-C-G Author Profile Page:

Okay, Barney, let's accept for a moment your 18 million figure.

ESPN's coverage of this year's NFL draft had 36 million viewers tune in for at least part of the coverage, as this report clearly shows.

So, Live Earth couldn't generate more than half the viewers that something that's only available on cable and only appeals to a small section of the population, that being hardcore football fans got?

And you're bragging?

Oops, my error, that was fo... (Below threshold)
C-C-G Author Profile Page:

Oops, my error, that was for the 2006 NFL draft. The point still stands, tho.

I don't he's bragging any l... (Below threshold)
marc:

I don't he's bragging any longer C-C-G, just trying to find the kids toy top so he can learn to spin faster.

The main three-hou... (Below threshold)
The main three-hour American TV broadcast on NBC averaged a meager 2.7 million viewers

Geez, O'Reilly draws almost that many every weeknight.

The ratings/viewerships wer... (Below threshold)
RicardoVerde:

The ratings/viewerships were pretty well below expectations in UK, US, Japan, Australia, and several other large markets. I think it did okay in some Euro countries.

Even for those who buy into this whole idea there has to be SOME form of curiosity about why we needed concerts to promote awareness. Most people who care one way or the other already have an opinion.

And what about those previous concerts? What good did they do? By good, I mean something other than making people feel good about themselves.

Yeah, lefties, Liv... (Below threshold)
Yeah, lefties, Live Earth was a huge success. The country is electrified.

Yeah, I went out to Walmart and Home Depot to purchase CFL's for all my lights. Empty shelves, lines, angry customers. Some were sobbing, exclaiming how they couldn't live with their conscience a day longer if they didn't do something, anything to help end global warming.

Yeah, I went out to Wal... (Below threshold)
marc:

Yeah, I went out to Walmart and Home Depot to purchase CFL's for all my lights.


Sorry to say I missed this ecco-wennie escapade.

I filled up my 12mpg Land Crusier, tripped over the the local hardware store and purchased 4 100,000 candle power glare-free, 3-way switch spot lights for my back forty than reurned to drive around the block until my 40 gallon gas tank read empty.

They I carbon-creditied my way into ecco-heaven by buying credits from The Goracle's company.

I did it. I stopped by the... (Below threshold)
twolaneflash:

I did it. I stopped by the climate-cult celebration ceremonies while channel-surfing. It was at least 7 minutes before I was fully satisfied with the great whole-body laughter I was enjoying. Nielsen nailed me, I'm sure. God as my witness, it was exactly when The High Priest of the Church of Global Weather Stations, Rev. Al, took the stage. I, thankfully, managed to get off the floor and changed channels before he started issuing fatwas.

Barney's spinning furiously... (Below threshold)

Barney's spinning furiously, but the truth is there are more viewers at wet t-shirt night over at the Huffington Post.

I honestly can decided whic... (Below threshold)
Paul:

I honestly can decided which was more fun to watch on this thread...

Barny trying to spin this like it was not a complete and total disaster or watching him get his ass handed to him....

Oh, who am I kidding? lol

more viewers at we... (Below threshold)
more viewers at wet t-shirt night over at the Huffington Post.

Ariana, in a wet t-shirt? Hmmm, might worth watching.

Oh and Barney....I... (Below threshold)
Paul:

Oh and Barney....

If you really want to know what an abject failure this was, just take a stroll to kos and look around.

The absolute heart of kookville and I went back 3 pages and not a single post about it.

Not one. If there was a post it was was in a diary somewhere.

The goal was the reach and motivate the whole planet.... They couldn't get a single post from the most left wing site on the net.

Dude, face it, it was a disaster.

Yo!What's th... (Below threshold)

Yo!

What's that mean? Nothing, of course.

Hummmphh! The Colts won. Stick that in your compost pile. I used to live in ChiTown...I know a neener/greener when I see one. Get back to Division Street and complete your Degree.

I found it interesting that... (Below threshold)
RicardoVerde:

I found it interesting that the low viewership was blamed on good weather by the BBC, but was due to bad weather in South Africa and Germany. Some of the craftier local promoters forsaw this good/bad weather situation ahead of time and made sure to move their events to smaller venues.

A) more than one netw... (Below threshold)

A) more than one network broadcasted the concert so you have to add the ratings of all the networks together to get the correct numbers
B) I provided the links to the sites I pulled the data from.
C) they ignore that more than 9-million internet broadcasts were transmitted.
D) XFM, and others broadcasted the concerts.

Barny

Reach for the life saver ,NOT the anvil. For the love of God, grab the life saver!

You had to watch it for at ... (Below threshold)
JLawson:

You had to watch it for at least six minutes for an internet connection to count? Makes me wonder what the numbers would be if they upped the limit to a half-hour...

I'm sorry. Live what?... (Below threshold)
drjohn:

I'm sorry. Live what?

Aw, crap. There goes the t... (Below threshold)
Mitchell:

Aw, crap. There goes the the Al Gore candidacy.

He's as saleable as a sack of ice during a blizzard, in South Africa.

He's as saleable a... (Below threshold)
C-C-G Author Profile Page:
He's as saleable as a sack of ice during a blizzard, in South Africa.

Isn't that what he was trying to sell? ;-)

If trackback was working, I... (Below threshold)
km:

If trackback was working, I'd link this post: Al's Little Green Book.

Bullwinkle has it right abo... (Below threshold)

Bullwinkle has it right about the guy who threw his beer bottle in the right bin.

"I don't hang out with people who don't clean up after themselves, I'd have been shocked to see someone not do it. Unless it was a Liberal."

Recycling is a no-brainer these days, isn't it? And picking up after yourself... I know that some people don't do it but they aren't tolerated around me. I dated a guy who left his trash on the bleacher at the concert he took me to... once. No second date for that guy. I certainly saw no need to continue picking up after him more than that once. His excuse? "They hire people to pick up the trash." So what?

I expect people to pick up after themselves, even with some effort, and I expect them to toss the trash in a proper place and if there are sorted bins, to sort the trash.

Bare minimum.

"I will await my apologies.... (Below threshold)
steak111111:

"I will await my apologies.
Posted by BarneyG2000 | July 9, 2007 8:52 PM"

Hold your breath....

I'll be posting soon :)

Are you still holding your breath? Good. Just a few hours more....

I've got 88,365,992,245,658... (Below threshold)
steak111111:

I've got 88,365,992,245,658,293 carbon credits.

Anyone wanna buy some? $10 each :)

steak, Your price point mig... (Below threshold)

steak, Your price point might be a bit high. Appears the supply is high and the demand is low. I'll give you ten cents each for about 100 of them. Just to be able to say I have some.

I see that nobody has been ... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:

I see that nobody has been able to discredit my reporting. I did not say whether the numbers were good or bad, but just that looking at the prime time ratings for NBC alone were basis.

You can piss all you want but but me numbers are correct.

Chalk-up another win for Barney.

Almost without exception th... (Below threshold)

Almost without exception these "offsets" are projects with dubious economics and unmeasurable benefit that may or may not actually occur some decades in the future.

At best exaggerated, at worst complete fraud. And Al Gore is right in the middle of this flaky business himself.

Yes, Barney, you conclusive... (Below threshold)
C-C-G Author Profile Page:

Yes, Barney, you conclusively proved that half as many people were interested in Live Earth than are interested in the NFL draft.

Congrats, Barney, you win the Pointless Point Award.

"I'll give you ten cents ea... (Below threshold)
steak111111:

"I'll give you ten cents each for about 100 of them. Just to be able to say I have some."

Ok, It's a deal. Just don't tell anyone that I did you this favor. But if you do, I'll give you $5 back for each one $10 worth you sell to your friends....

:)

Hey, this Al Gore thing is really gonna work out great!!

ROFL - I would soon expect ... (Below threshold)

ROFL - I would soon expect to see Al Gore's company selling carbon offsets via a multi-level marketing scheme.

I only have 88,365,992,245,... (Below threshold)
steak111111:

I only have 88,365,992,245,658,193 carbon credits left.

Order now! Supply is limited (until I create some more) and demand is rising quickly!!

A $70 supply will allow you to pollute all you want for a WHOLE WEEK!! Buy NOW before the price goes up!!!

Send check or money order to:

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Almost without exc... (Below threshold)
C-C-G Author Profile Page:
Almost without exception these "offsets" are projects with dubious economics and unmeasurable benefit that may or may not actually occur some decades in the future.

At best exaggerated, at worst complete fraud. And Al Gore is right in the middle of this flaky business himself.

Wanna know what's really funny, Robin?

Who was, at one point, one of the biggest players in what was then called "gas emissions trading" (which works out to the same as "carbon offsets")?

Enron.

Makes one wonder, doesn't it?

CCG: Yes, Enron was interes... (Below threshold)
Robin Roberts:

CCG: Yes, Enron was interested in making money in a carbon credit trading system mandated by some form of Kyoto followup. Lobbied both sides of the aisle for it during the Clinton admin.

I saw a drunk midd... (Below threshold)
I saw a drunk middle-aged man toss his beer bottle in a recycling bin for the first time. Multiply that by 2 billion. That's a measurable outcome.

I can't even recycle beer bottles where I come from unless they're clear glass. Plus, what if I'm drinking more beer than that guy did?

This is The All Time Best t... (Below threshold)
Mitchell:

This is The All Time Best thread I have ever read on Wizbang. You guys saved the best for Al's big show.

God Bless you guys, I've gotten my chuckle quota filled tonight. A

At Barney and Al's expense, gotta love it.

Deadly cold snap in South A... (Below threshold)
Mitchell:

Deadly cold snap in South America brings first snow to Buenos Aires in 89 years...

http://www.france24.com/france24Public/en/administration/afp-news.html?id=070709220200.0lbsxdw6&cat=null

This and the S. African cold snap which tarnished Al's Big Show lead me to questioin the Premise of the Show, and the Premiser, naturally.

Question: Where do carbon o... (Below threshold)
Peter F.:

Question: Where do carbon offset dollars go once purchased?

Answer: Back into thin air from whence they came.

"I saw a drunk middle-aged ... (Below threshold)
steak111111:

"I saw a drunk middle-aged man toss his beer bottle in a recycling bin for the first time. Multiply that by 2 billion. That's a measurable outcome."

Except that the other 1,999,999,999 could care less about recycling. And by the way, there's a LOT of pollution caused by returning that beer bottle back into something else that's productive - such as bullet proof glass for Al's car.

We have George Bush to thank for stopping ALL the pollution Saddam was creating. Or did we all forget already about the hundreds of oil fields burning for 2+ years after Saddam invaded kuwait?

Al Gore and Barney don't really care about saving the environment. They just like to argue.

I'll admit I listened to a ... (Below threshold)

I'll admit I listened to a full 45 seconds of it on an after-the-fact news blurb on the radio giving coverage of the event. But it wasn't my fault! They snuck it in during a quick news break while I was listening to another show. Bastards.

All I did hear was some rock star telling people how good he felt about being a Vegan for the last ten years and how good I would feel if I just ate veggies and bought a car which used less gas or simply rode my bike. I couldn't help myself. While sitting at the red light, I yelled at the radio, "Did you ride your bike to work today, you idiot?" The guy in the car next to me tried not to stare :)

The stage lighting alone wa... (Below threshold)
steak111111:

The stage lighting alone wasted enough energy to light up 10 houses. Now how much was wasted on those amps? Putting Al Gore in charge of the environment is like having a fox guard the chicken house.

Al Gore (and Barney) have a LOT of explaining to do....

The fox bought some 'chicke... (Below threshold)
hermie:

The fox bought some 'chicken poaching offsets' for himself, so now he can partake of a couple of hens.

"We are in the process o... (Below threshold)
_Mike_:

"We are in the process of purchasing a carbon-offset."

ROFL. That crap tickles me every time I see it.

Hmm, I wonder if I could sell carbon offsets on ebay...

I have extra tax offsets to... (Below threshold)
steak111111:

I have extra tax offsets too if anyone is interested. For $10 you can get out of $100 of income taxes.

Just another envormentalist... (Below threshold)
spurwing plover:

Just another envormentalists rip off just like those SAVE THE RAINFORESTS or all that other poppycock i mean its no different from when that blabbering nit wit PAUL EHRLICH was making all those reciclous predictions of starvation and just how many tons of trash did,nt they have to clean up after this rediclous fiasco? ACID RAIN,A DEAD EARTH,GLOBAL WARMING more envromental lies from the ENLIARMENTALISTS

Yep...your weather in the p... (Below threshold)
nogo war:

Yep...your weather in the place you have lived in for a long time is the same....yep our atmosphere is not fragile...yep no reason to call for individual responsibility...
Hey...didn't we just pass a place with no development? Cut it...burn it..plow it under..
build...
Yeah...maybe because almost all of us are immigrants at some generation we feel no obligation to sensitive ecosystems....
or maybe we dropped out of H.S. before a basic biology class that introduced us to that concept

Oh but nogo, this isn't abo... (Below threshold)

Oh but nogo, this isn't about clean air and a nice environment.

It's about proper motivation.

It's about purity of purpose.

Do you think that deniers don't plant trees? Never eat organic? Don't like clean air?

The global warming "thing" has started to degenerate into "want clean air and water, let's recycle a beer bottle, yay!" And some of us look at that and we recognize that *they* don't really believe that we have a global warming crisis. If they did, they'd behave differently.

This isn't about pollution, is it? And if it's about pollution, why are they lying to us?

Logically, if you think about it, landfills are more "carbon friendly" than recycling. If we've got too much carbon floating around we need carbon sinks. If we've got too much carbon floating around carbon offsets are illogical.

All a carbon offset does is allow someone to *continue* to pump carbon into the atmosphere.

A beer bottle in a landfill at least counts as... oh, silicon sequestering I suppose since glass isn't carbon.

If this is about clean air and clean water... why are they lying to us?

nogo: "yep no reason to cal... (Below threshold)
F15C:

nogo: "yep no reason to call for individual responsibility..."

Ok. You believe the climate is changing in ways that will be devastating. You believe that humans are the primary cause. You are presumably a responsible individual. Your positions then would dictate that beginning immediately and continuing until the problem is resolved, you (and for that matter your fellow AGW believers) in order to demonstrate your willingness to take "individual responsibility" should adopt the following behaviors:

1) Decrease your personal consumption of electricity by 98%.

2) Cease operating or riding in any vehicle with an internal combustion engine.

3) Cease purchasing any product or service that results in greenhouse gas emissions.

Those three simple steps taken by the numbers of people who claim to believe that unless something is done the world will face catastrophe would have a measurable impact.

So, if you really mean what you say, then put your 'carbon footprint' where your mouth is and do something. It is within your power, you just have to decide if you personally are willing to sacrifice significant parts of your lifestyle to make it happen. We'll await your action.

It's a good time to be a sk... (Below threshold)
kim:

It's a good time to be a skeptick.
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Everytime the Gorebellied F... (Below threshold)
kim:

Everytime the Gorebellied Fool opens his mouth, somewhere something sentient freezes. Not good Karma, me boy.
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I caught just a little cove... (Below threshold)
moseby:

I caught just a little coverage afterwards of the show in britain and I must admit that I was too busy trying to see some madonna cameltoe.




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