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Because That's Where the Terrorists Are

Robert Cox adopts a phrase attributed to bank robber Willie Sutton to fit the case for fighting terrorists in Iraq:

According to recent Department of Defense and CIA estimates, al Qaeda now has between 5,000 and 20,000 fighters operating in Iraq. Al Qaeda itself claims to have as many as 12,000 fighters in Iraq, but do we really want to take Osama bin Laden's word for anything? While no one in this country knows for sure just how many jihadists are in Iraq, it seems reasonable to believe that there are thousands of them -- making Iraq home to the single largest concentration of al Qaeda members in the world.
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So it would seem that however it may have happened, the people who were responsible for Sept. 11 have now massed their forces in Iraq. All of which raises a question: If the U.S. were to withdraw all of its forces from the Middle East tomorrow and were to suddenly learn that al Qaeda had assembled 10,000 to 20,000 armed jihadists in Madagascar, Paraguay or Antarctica, what would most Americans expect President Bush to do about it?
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While no American wants to see U.S. troops put in harm's way, it seems unlikely that a majority of Americans would support exiting Iraq if they fully understood how large a presence al Qaeda now has there, how that compares with its presence elsewhere in the world, and just how much manpower and resources our enemy has put into Iraq.

To my friends on the anti-war left, I ask simply this: If we are not going to fight al Qaeda in Iraq when we know it is there, then where and when do they propose we should fight it?

To paraphrase Willie Sutton: You fight al Qaeda in Iraq because that's where al Qaeda is.

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Leaving it to the Byrds....... (Below threshold)

Leaving it to the Byrds.... Bush creates a problem by invading Iraq, turning it into a training ground for terrorists, and then the Bushbots come along and pretend we can't leave because -- hey! it's now a training ground for terrorists!!!

How many "gradating classes" of AQ terrorists have to go through cap and gown before you'll admit it was a bad idea to be there in the first place?

Leeward, do I have to get o... (Below threshold)
C-C-G Author Profile Page:

Leeward, do I have to get out my favorite State Department News Release again?

Let me quote once again from this official news release from the United States Department of State:

"In addition, al Qaeda reached an understanding with the Government of Iraq that al Qaeda would not work against that government and that on particular projects, specifically including weapons development, al Qaeda would work cooperatively with the Government of Iraq," the indictment said.
(emphasis added specifically for Leeward.)

Let me also note once again that the date on this news release was 04 Nov 1998.

So, before Dubya ever set foot in the Oval Office; before Dubya ever won the election; before Dubya ever got the GOP nomination; before Dubya ever entered a primary race for President; before a single vote was cast for Dubya: al-Qaeda and Iraq were working together.

You cannot deny that.

I anticipate a lot of spin, tho.

If there had been a Preside... (Below threshold)

If there had been a President in the 90's who had tackled the hard problems instead of picking the low hanging fruit, taking the politically expedient and less risky path, the problem may not have emerged as large as it did.

However, that might have exposed the folly of his military slashing campaign and the woeful funding it had sunk to. That might have exposed the budget balancing on the back of the military and national defense and security.

I love the liberal statemen... (Below threshold)

I love the liberal statement that "BUSH INVADED IRAQ AND THEN AL QAEDA WAS THERE!!!! IF HE HADN'T INVADED THEN AL QAEDA WOULD HAVE SIMPLY BOUGHT IPODS AND BURGER KING AND WE'D ALL FLY KITES AND PLAY IN THE SUNSHINE!!" Yeah, I remember when Bush invaded Afghanistan, and Al Qaeda showed up there too...

C-C-G,Look, these ... (Below threshold)
(Not) Lee Ward:

C-C-G,

Look, these were the best talking points Media Matters could fax to me on such short notice. I know it's crappy spin, but it's the best they got right now.

Editor's Note: Jo, knock it off.

Look, these were t... (Below threshold)
C-C-G Author Profile Page:
Look, these were the best talking points Media Matters could fax to me on such short notice. I know it's crappy spin, but it's the best they got right now.

Well, you'll just have to go search Kos or DU for your talking points now, won't ya?

Comment 5 is a sockpuppet -... (Below threshold)
Lee Ward:

Comment 5 is a sockpuppet --

What you knuckleheads are saying here is... we drove gasoline tankers into the forest and threw gasoline all around, the forest caught fire as a result, and now we need to keep driving gasoline tankers into the raging inferno because, hey! the forest is on fire -- we can't leave now!

You guys amaze me...

Bush creates a proble... (Below threshold)
What you knuckleheads... (Below threshold)

What you knuckleheads are saying here is... we drove gasoline tankers into the forest and threw gasoline all around, the forest caught fire as a result, and now we need to keep driving gasoline tankers into the raging inferno because, hey! the forest is on fire -- we can't leave now!

BRILLIANT! BRILLIANT !

More anolgies!

No, Leeward, what we are sa... (Below threshold)
C-C-G Author Profile Page:

No, Leeward, what we are saying is that the forest was on fire, we are trying to extinguish it, but like most fires, it is behaving unpredictably and sometimes slips containment.

And it would be a lot easier to put out if we didn't have a bunch of people standing around asking, "Is it out yet," declaring our attempt to put it out a "failure" while we're still bringing in more firemen, and shutting off the water pumps!

Oh, just an FYI, Leeward, I have that State Department News Release bookmarked, and every time I see you or one of your fellow lefties bring up the "AQ wasn't in Iraq before 2003" meme, I will trot it out and make you look like the absolute idiots you apparently are. Fair warning.

LeeWhat you will not... (Below threshold)

Lee
What you will not dare say is that Bush wants to finish a difficult war and that his strategy, which has evolved, is beginning to work. So now Democrats are in full panic with the results released today (and who would doubt they knew this earlier in the weeks before) because goals are being met. We are, what, four full weeks into the surge with total projected troop strength, and look at the results. No wonder PelosiCo/ReidCo are panicing for a retreat. This surge might actually work!
And what might that say about the Dems? Total sellouts of the very troops and General they voted for.

And the reason that al-Qued... (Below threshold)
Steve Crickmore:

And the reason that al-Queda have grown so much larger in Iraq and elsewhere is because we are there..seems pretty obvious to me.. so lets see how many remain if we leave, and let the locals confront them, those of Al Queda that don't melt away.
One of my difficulties 'with the fighting them there meme' is as this 'The Nation' article attests that's where so many of the Iraqis are too.. and our troops abetted by al Queda tactics, even experienced vets fail to make the distinctions "I guess while I was there, the general attitude was, A dead Iraqi is just another dead Iraqi" which is exactly the type of scenario al-Queda wants the US military to view Iraqis in order to further its militant objectives.

Steve, the Iraqis can't<... (Below threshold)
C-C-G Author Profile Page:

Steve, the Iraqis can't fight them alone. That's been shown time and time again. Even the Bible of the Democratic Party, the NY Times, says that our withdrawal will lead to genocide.

Is that what you want?

I support us leaving when the Iraqis can fight al-Qaeda on their own. That is not today, nor will it be tomorrow.

Lorie: there's a big differ... (Below threshold)

Lorie: there's a big difference between going after terrorists (which I, and most America approve of) and having American soldiers die to prevent intramural squabbling among the various Iraqi factions jockeying for power (which seemingly, only you, CCG and some other koolaid drinkers seem to approve of).

If Bush were to come up with a plan of going after Al Qaeda, wherever they are, whether they be in Iraq, Pakistan or here in America, we'd support him. But as long as he has American troops playing peacemaker, he ain't going to have a whole lot of support.

And no, going after Al Qaeda doesn't mean one has to play peacemaker.

"..but do we really want to... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:

"..but do we really want to take Osama bin Laden's word for anything?" Lorie

Gee Lorie, do you want to comment on all those times Bush said we know OBL wants to make Iraq the central front in the war against the US because that is what he has said? Isn't Bush taking OBL's word for that?

Does anyone here deny that ... (Below threshold)

Does anyone here deny that there will be retribution in Iraq by and among Iraqis that have melded into AQ or Iraqis that have actively joined AQ?
What is undeniable about the "fight them over there" argument is that they attacked us over here first...beginning in the early 1990's. What is different now than before is that we have attacked AQ where they are instead of waiting to defend ourselves here.
We can argue all day about whether AQ was in Iraq pre 9/11....does anyone dispute that that they are now? And so what if our invasion brought them there? They are there and we are killing them. What do you want? For us to wait until they show up in Atlanta like they did in NYC?
Here's a blunt point that will infuriate the lefties: remember Braveheart? Wallace made a point of "picking a fight" with his adversary. Why? To communicate very clearly that he was ready to kill him. That is the only way to defeat AQ. Kill them. Wherever they are.
A liberal icon understood this point well: FDR.

BarneyGee Lo... (Below threshold)

Barney

Gee Lorie, do you want to comment on all those times Bush said we know OBL wants to make Iraq the central front in the war against the US because that is what he has said? Isn't Bush taking OBL's word for that?

Are you taking UBL's word for that?

Lorie has a GUT feeling....... (Below threshold)
Semanticleo Author Profile Page:

Lorie has a GUT feeling.......................

stevesturmIf... (Below threshold)

stevesturm

If Bush were to come up with a plan of going after Al Qaeda, wherever they are, whether they are in Iraq, Pakistan or here in America, we'd support him. But as long as he has American troops playing peacemaker, he ain't going to have a whole lot of support.

That's what the surge is about. Ramadi, Anbar, Fallujah...don't see a lot of peace makin goin on there. I do see a lot of AQ dead and provinces and towns once in the grip of Iraqi thugs who once quartered AQ but have now, amazingly, changed their minds.

Read Michael Yon or B5 for on the ground details.

As for adopting a phrase I ... (Below threshold)
Mac Lorry:

As for adopting a phrase I like "bring the war home now", which is really what the liberals are asking for.

I also like "Democrats are vested in defeat", which came in part form other wizbang commenters.

Semanticleo ... (Below threshold)

Semanticleo

Lorie has a GUT feeling.......................

That's clever...did you bring an argument with you or just TIVO?

Hugh: the surge is only par... (Below threshold)

Hugh: the surge is only partly about going after Al Qaeda. Troops are also being committed to stopping the intramural fighting. Consider this: every US soldier committed to stopping Iraqi-v-Iraqi fighting is one less soldier available to go after Al Qaeda. Is that a smart use of our military?

"..remember Braveheart?" ... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:

"..remember Braveheart?" Hughs

Yea, that worked out real well for the Scots.

You guys amaze me.... (Below threshold)
Mac Lorry:
You guys amaze me...

So that's why you keep jumping the fence; to be with amazing guys.

Consider this: eve... (Below threshold)
Mac Lorry:
Consider this: every US soldier committed to stopping Iraqi-v-Iraqi fighting is one less soldier available to go after Al Qaeda. Is that a smart use of our military?

That's the best argument I have heard so far for "bring the war home now." Once we get the Iraqis out of the way we can fight al Qaeda more efficiently. It's also cheaper to fight them here. Make al Qaeda spend all that money supporting their fighters on foreign soil.

every US soldier comm... (Below threshold)

every US soldier committed to stopping Iraqi-v-Iraqi fighting is one less soldier available to go after Al Qaeda. Is that a smart use of our military?

I don't agree with the metric: AQ is a parasite that consumes what it can. It actively and successfully recruits what it can exploit. Destroy its ability to exploit and recruit and it is dead.

Nice article by Victor Davi... (Below threshold)
kim:

Nice article by Victor Davis Hanson in the City Journal destroying the 7/8/07 NYTimes editorial that is the catechism of the defeatists.
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"..remember Braveheart?"... (Below threshold)

"..remember Braveheart?" Hughs

Yea, that worked out real well for the Scots.

Ahhh, that's why I so look forward to your comments here BarneyG2000. You, with the exception of Lee, so completely throw yourself on your own petard that rebuttal seems almost redundant.

Go to the well Barney, and drink deeply from your new disciple Jim Webb ( D-VA), who championed the Scots as the very backbone of our liberty. Might want to frisk him first...he may be carrying.

IF we hadn't gone in... (Below threshold)
Beeblebrox:

IF we hadn't gone in
IF Saddam hadn't violated UN resolutions
IF AQ hadn't decided to attack us
ETC.

If is for children

The adults realize that Bush is in a no-win position with the appeasers on the left. If we were not in Iraq today then they would be demanding that we go in and root them out of Saddam's Iraq. They would be asking why Bush hadn't connected the dots between Saddam and the training camps that AQ had spread around the Iraqi countryside.

Shine the cold, hard light on this war and you see that this is like every other war. It is hell. This war has obviously not been executed with video game perfection, but sans the American left giving aid and comfort to the enemy everyday, this probably would have gone down as one of the best fought asymmetrical wars in our history. Minimal casualties relative to the size of the enemy's force and considering an ROE that values mosques and villagers more than our own soldiers, it is amazing we have had as few casualties as we have had.

True, Bush has failed to fight the enemy here at home very effectively but I chalk that up to him thinking that the Left in this country had honor. We now know it doesn't and the sooner Bush deals with that reality, the better it will go for our troops.

We have managed to suck the enemy into a region that would allow us to kill them all if we wanted to. I personally believe that this is what Bush and his commanders have wanted all along. Bring them to us since going after them in the mountains of Afghanistan is brutal work.

This surge is going to work even with the Left in this country working full time to make sure that we lose. When we achieve victory in Iraq, the conservative wing of the party will prevail.


Beeblebrox Ri... (Below threshold)

Beeblebrox

Right you are, and welcome. Here's the left's take on this very early in the battle.
No link because of date, but if words mean things find this speech by Gore to witness the highest form of hypocrisy:

September 29th, 1992, Al Gore at the Center for National Policy.

Being in Iraq created a pro... (Below threshold)
jpm100:

Being in Iraq created a problem in Iraq like a bug zapper is responsible for the mosquito problem in the backyard.

Thing is, the zapper concentrates the bugs around it. But smart people stick it in the corner and enjoy the reduced bug count everywhere else.

Is this fair to the Iraqis, probably not. But no one really planned for it. And the sooner the Iraqis step up, the sooner they will be gone.

CLAP LOUDER, WINGNUTS! May... (Below threshold)
Tommy:

CLAP LOUDER, WINGNUTS! Maybe you'll get a pony for Xmas too.

You guys have been reduced to lobotomized cheerleaders. It's kind of sad. It's 4th quarter, your team is down by 35 point, but you must cheer loudly! Go team! Because that's all you know how to do, is to root for a lost cause.

WOW! The nutroots are out ... (Below threshold)
Justrand:

WOW! The nutroots are out in force today! Sorry, but I just got to the party.

HUGE hattip to Lorie Byrd for referencing someone who referenced Willie Sutton! He robbed banks because (when asked why he robbed banks): "Your Honor, that's where they keep the money!!"

Why did we attack Iwo Jima? (a tiny island that never did ANYTHING to us): "Because that's where the Japs were!"

Why are we fighting (and devastating) alQueda in the country of Iraq? BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THEY ARE!

EVERY death of a U.S. Serviceman or Servicewoman is a tragedy! Every one!

That said...we are nation of 300,000,000.

If we are to declare "DEFEAT" because we have lost 3,000 of those 300,000,000 then we are doomed to be relegated to the dustbin of history!

And if our enemies know that inflicting a .001% loss on us is sufficient to force our surrender then we will be relentlessly attacked! Plain truth.

Once the Democrats cut the ... (Below threshold)
Mac Lorry:

Once the Democrats cut the supply lines of their enemy Bush will have no choice but to bring the war home to America. Then the chickenhawks and the chickens will all get to fight and die side by side. "Bring the war home now, it's what you voted for."

I love it. The democrats su... (Below threshold)
scrapiron Author Profile Page:

I love it. The democrats surrendered Vietnam long after the war was won. Winning in Iraq doesn't matter, they'll surrender Iraq anyway so we may as well pull every troop out of the Middle East (not just Iraq) and prepare for warfare in the streets of America. I can round up enough Vet's tomorrow to kill every muslem in this area. Are you prepared to do the same in your neighborhood? Don't like the idea, you had better get used to it. There is no such thing as a peaceful muslem, only a terrorists in waiting, groomed from birth to kill, kill and kill. That puts them on the same mentally ill level with the democrats. Maybe we'll hold off on killing them until they weed out the cowardly democrat traitors for us. Surrender and retreat from the Middle East tomorrow, bring the war to the United States, the people need a hard lesson.

tommy: "It's 4th quarter, y... (Below threshold)
Justrand:

tommy: "It's 4th quarter, your team is down by 35 point"

tommy...don't know ya, so sorry if I misread your post. Assuming you meant OUR side was down 35 points then all I can say is that you do NOT know what is happening in Iraq.

What has happened in Iraq (to continue your sports analogy) is that the "Sportscaster" is only calling ONE SIDE OF THE GAME!!

Imagine listening to a Sportscaster only tell you what the OTHER team is doing? When THEY score. When THEY move the ball?

Imagine your surprise when you find out the next day that YOUR team WON THE GAME 55-14!!!!
You would naturally ask: "Why didn't they tell me when MY team scored????"

p.s. the score is 100-0...US. But the MSM only tells you when they make a "first-down"...and makes it SEEM like they scored!

scrapiron, I wish to hell t... (Below threshold)
Justrand:

scrapiron, I wish to hell that I could disagree with your last post. I truly do.

scrapiron, maybe if you act... (Below threshold)
Tommy:

scrapiron, maybe if you actually got laid in your life at least once, you wouldn't be so violent and bitter. Ah, who are you kidding> you talk a real tough game, but in reality you're just another over the hill bitter loser.

You have real mental issues you should seek counseling for, scrap. Seriously. If you sit there fantasizing about randomly killing people based on their religion, you are one sick fucker.

jpm100 Being ... (Below threshold)

jpm100
Being in Iraq created a problem in Iraq like a bug zapper is responsible for the mosquito problem in the backyard.

You entered the analogy contest , right? I'll forward that comment to Soldiers Angels. Don't expect them to buy any bug zappers...they're looking for Kevlar and AC's.

Tommy,

You guys have been reduced to lobotomized cheerleaders.

I think fate would smile upon you at a Soldiers' Angels meeting...and being a deaf, dumb and blind boy will get you no mercy.

If we are to decla... (Below threshold)
If we are to declare "DEFEAT" because we have lost 3,000 of those 300,000,000 then we are doomed to be relegated to the dustbin of history!

And if our enemies know that inflicting a .001% loss on us is sufficient to force our surrender then we will be relentlessly attacked! Plain truth.

Justrand, but, but, but...the tragedy hasn't been equally shared by all Americans, and, and, and, you're not there fighting, besides, besides, besides, we haven't raised taxes for the war. And, and, and we've always raised taxes to fight wars, and it's not FAIR that we didn't get to raise taxes to fund this war. IT'S NOT FAIR!

bring the war to t... (Below threshold)
bring the war to the United States, the people need a hard lesson.

scrappy, I often wonder if democrats would actually wage war if the enemy were upon our shores and upon our population. I used to think they would, I'm not so sure about it anymore - despite their protestations otherwise.

Tommyscrapiron... (Below threshold)

Tommy
scrapiron, maybe if you actually got laid in your life at least once, you wouldn't be so violent and bitter.

On second thought, if I were you I would avoid any millitary families.

To something that call itse... (Below threshold)
jhow66:

To something that call itself "tommy". If I were you I would not get to close to "old" Scrap' as I have no doubt that he could kick your nerdie, pimpleface ass up one side and down the other. Things like you have not been around long enough to know enough to get in out of the rain yet. So to think that you have any idea whats going on in the world other then what you read at kos kiddies or DU is comical. In other words stick it, punk. There. Now I have my rant for the day done.
P.S. wee wee they need you over at bluie- the comment section is getting overloaded. snicker snort

What about Okinawa? Are th... (Below threshold)
Mitchell:

What about Okinawa? Are there terrorists there?

Maybe we could go there, uhhuh, yes.

You entered the an... (Below threshold)
jpm100:
You entered the analogy contest , right? I'll forward that comment to Soldiers Angels. Don't expect them to buy any bug zappers...they're looking for Kevlar and AC's.

Ah, the sarcasm game, right? Let me try.

Thanks HughS, because we all know this thread was about body armor and troop supplies. Oh wait, it wasn't.

Or being direct. How about addressing my point instead of letting loose a personal attack?

jpm100This was you... (Below threshold)

jpm100

This was your point?

Being in Iraq created a problem in Iraq like a bug zapper is responsible for the mosquito problem in the backyard.

What is your point?

Thing is, the zapper concentrates the bugs around it. But smart people stick it in the corner and enjoy the reduced bug count everywhere else.

What is your point?

Is this fair to the Iraqis, probably not. But no one really planned for it. And the sooner the Iraqis step up, the sooner they will be gone.

So, like, maybe, you could, bring together the bug zapper point and the Iraqi's for us?
Just say it you fool!


Hugh:Go to the... (Below threshold)
marc:

Hugh:

Go to the well Barney, and drink deeply from your new disciple Jim Webb ( D-VA), who championed the Scots as the very backbone of our liberty. Might want to frisk him first...he may be carrying.

Would that frisk occur before or after he admitted breaking D.C.'s weapon laws? More to the point before or after he hung his staff member out to dry and watched him being frog marched?

Tommy:

You have real mental issues you should seek counseling for, scrap. Seriously. If you sit there fantasizing about randomly killing people based on their religion, you are one sick fucker.

So.... that's all you got? Nothing relative to the post? How about the 12-20 AQ that have taken up "residence" in Iraq?

How about al Qaeda's latest method of terror, baking a child and serving him to his family as if he were a Thanksgiving turkey.

"Christian" Geek - you are ... (Below threshold)
jp2:

"Christian" Geek - you are going to have to take up your prized state department link with other sources, ie the 9/11 commission.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A47812-2004Jun16.html

HughS,I forget the... (Below threshold)
jpm100:

HughS,

I forget the internet is like TV, you need to dumb it down for the lowest common denominator.

My point was that the terrorist already existed. The Iraq war simply concentrated them in Iraq.

As for the Iraqis, the parliament acts like the effort in Iraq isn't in any kind of jeopardy.

MarcMore to ... (Below threshold)

Marc

More to the point before or after he hung his staff member out to dry and watched him being frog marched?

Unfortunately, Webb in some respects reminds me of Warner...no loyalty but plenty of ambition. The latter's quest for power is ageless. Curse on Virginia.

I forget the internet... (Below threshold)

I forget the internet is like TV, you need to dumb it down for the lowest common denominator.

Understood...that happens when you watch too much TV.

My point was that the terrorist already existed. The Iraq war simply concentrated them in Iraq.

Excellent point. It's a good thing that we have a heavy concentration of lethal force there now. The abilty to kill as many of them as possible with the force we have there now is truly great planning.

As for the Iraqis, the parliament acts like the effort in Iraq isn't in any kind of jeopardy.

I think the surge will change that mindset. Iraquis who bet both sides of the equation will become quick converts; those who aided the domestic insurgents and AQ will be dead or relocated to Iran.

More to the point ... (Below threshold)
More to the point before or after he hung his staff member out to dry and watched him being frog marched?

That was the most disgusting part of the story. A Marine let his guy take the fall for him. Hmmph!

That's similar to Slick Willy hanging his Secret Service PPD out to dry during the Lewinsky fiasco.

Dear Leader has done nothin... (Below threshold)

Dear Leader has done nothing wrong in this brilliant millatry campaign.

Dear Leader has successfully implemented his plan to keep Iraqi oil off the global market.

Dear Leaders need all great Americans to pay dearly for gasoline so Dear Leader and the ruling class elites can have the great riches they so mightily deserve.

All great Americans know that Dear Leader needs one party rule to keep those dirty libs under his thumb.

Praise Dear Leader and God Bless America!

Dear Leaders need all g... (Below threshold)
Jo:

Dear Leaders need all great Americans to pay dearly for gasoline so Dear Leader and the ruling class elites can have the great riches they so mightily deserve.

No actually I believe it was Dear Leader Al Gore who once said that Americans should pay a lot more for oil, so as then be more inclined to conserve it. You know, for the environment and all.

Oops you lose.

After 911, it was "Go Bush ... (Below threshold)
Robert the Original:

After 911, it was "Go Bush go."

Two years later it was all a plot to grab oil and benefit Haliburton.

After it has become painfully obvious - even to idiots like [email protected] - that we are not there just to grab the oil, they need a new complaint.

Now we are deliberately stopping Iraqi oil to drive the price up? Its not China and India, oh no. It is another secret Bush plan.

Right, so Iran has lots of extra money to spend on terrorists and nukes.

And no doubt you want us to leave Iraq and give it over to Iran. Just why is it do you think China is helping Iran supply terrorists with arms?

Robert is exactly right.</p... (Below threshold)
Mitchell:

Robert is exactly right.

None of these mental midgets were heard from just after 9/11 and pre invasion. They had nothing to say against the war, just like the majority of Dems in Congress who voted for the thing.

Do now they come out of the wood work like the hungry little maggots they are, and they make themselves look foolish, and stupid.

Completely lacking in character. Can you imagine these guys listening to Churchill during WWII, complaining, criticizing, whining. Losers.

So while we're bogged down ... (Below threshold)
Reality:

So while we're bogged down in the civil war we created in a country that never attacked us, al Qaeda is regrouping essentially unchallenged.

AZ Family:

U.S. intelligence analysts have concluded al-Qaida has rebuilt its operating capability to a level not seen since just before the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, The Associated Press has learned.

Counterterrorism analysts produced the document, titled "Al-Qaida better positioned to strike the West." The document focuses on the terror group's safe haven in Pakistan and makes a range of observations about the threat posed to the United States and its allies, officials said.

Al-Qaida is "considerably operationally stronger than a year ago" and has "regrouped to an extent not seen since 2001," the official said, paraphrasing the report's conclusions. "They are showing greater and greater ability to plan attacks in Europe and the United States."

The group also has created "the most robust training program since 2001, with an interest in using European operatives," the official quoted the report as saying.

How can anyone argue with a straight face anymore that this war is beneficial to America's security? We have created an entire new generation of Islamic extremists and a failed state for them for fester in, we have decimated the readiness and moral of our armed forces, we have squandered hundreds of billions of dollars and our moral standing, we have strengthened Iran by allowing them to gain influence in Iraq, and we still haven't caught the people responsible for the attack that supposedly justifies it all. What kind of bizarre world are we living in

jpm, HughS, knock it off. Y... (Below threshold)

jpm, HughS, knock it off. You two are on the same side, you've just managed to misunderstand each other.

It's understandable; the trolls sometimes get so dense around here (in several senses of the word), occasional "friendly fire" incidents are inevitable.

But please... don't do their work for them.

J.

"Squawk squawk, AQ is in Pa... (Below threshold)
Robert the Original:

"Squawk squawk, AQ is in Pakistan! squawk squawk."

Big friggin' surprise Reality, have you been traveling intergallectically? Have you been on a UFO? Don't answer that - better that I don't know.

AQ is in a lot of places and trained in Sudan, then Afghanistan now Pakistan. They also had a training base in Iraq, by the way. This is not new or some big secret, Reality. We know they are training. They are always training - since well before 911.

What is new is that they have probably found some new source of support.

What is with you whacked libs? Every time the NIE comes out, you go into your Chicken Little routine.

Are you surprised, Dolts, that there are some threats out there, and that one of them is AQ? Well blow me down. Did you think AQ had forgotten about attacking the Great Satan?

Next year the NIE will say: "Everything is fine and your mommy is waiting at home with milk and cookies - put your head in sand or go to Okinawa."

Then of course, you will whine about the global warming caused by dairy cows.

Is that all you can do Reality, sit and throw rocks?

How about some positive contribution for a change, Reality? We have been toying with the idea of going into Pakistan after AQ, but the fear has always been that we might cause the Pakistan government to topple, leaving nukes in the hands of the Taliban.

Assuming you don't want to just sit there and wait to be attacked, should we go in now? With what size force? What happens if Musharef is killed?

Well?

The lefties want out of the... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

The lefties want out of the war simply because GW wants to stay. That is their hate signature. I do believe we as Americans are doing a noble thing freeing a people. I believe the commanders on the ground are doing the best they can and are adapting to this vile enemy as rapidly as possible. I believe we have the best military in the world working in Iraq. I believe we OWE it to them to support their missions until THEY say it is lost. I support their stance, opinion and their decisions. The lefties are the complete opposite of what I said. Congress voted to wait for the SEPTEMBER report. Now they cannot even follow through on their own vote. They play politics with the lives of our troops and the Iraq's. So cruel and uncaring they are. ww

jp2, the news may not have ... (Below threshold)
C-C-G Author Profile Page:

jp2, the news may not have reached Boise yet, but the 9/11 commission report came out in July 2004.

We invaded Iraq in 2003.

I guess Bush's crystal ball wasn't working so he couldn't see what the report would say before it was finished.

0.2 out of 10 for the spin.

Lorrie,While I agr... (Below threshold)
lowmal:

Lorrie,

While I agree with most of your conservative views, please stop posting "Read it all" at the end of every post with links to full text..

Many of us are not idiots and will read things for ourselves without condesendingly being told to do so..

Seriously, it's getting annoying..

I personally have not seen ... (Below threshold)

I personally have not seen any inteligence estimates that place domestic Iraqi Al Qaeda supporters any higher than about 500, or foreign fighters sympathetic to Al Qaeda, any higher than 500 members in Iraq. But that's just what I've personally seen.

Al Qaeda does unfortunately operate in every nation of the Islamic world plus many other Western nations such as Britain, France, Spain and probably the U.S. with supporters or cells or sympathetic persons. But in the case of Iraq, Al Qaeda does provide a new reason to continue to justify the continued U.S. role there, although the sectarian violence by Shiite and Sunni militias and extremists continues to account for up to 99% of all the violence in Iraq.

lowmal,You must have... (Below threshold)
SCSIwuzzy:

lowmal,
You must have missed the daily cries of "liar" from the lefty troll parade. They don't follow links very well on their own. Reminds me of my godson and how he needs to be told to wash his hands after using the bathroom, etc.

...although the se... (Below threshold)
C-C-G Author Profile Page:
...although the sectarian violence by Shiite and Sunni militias and extremists continues to account for up to 99% of all the violence in Iraq.

Newsflash for Mr. Hooson!

Al-Qaeda is a Sunni group. Therefore, at least some of the Sunni-on-Shi'ite violence can be indirectly laid at the feet of al-Qaeda.

We also have the Iranians sticking their noses into Iraq. Or had your blinders kept you from seeing those stories, Hooson? A quick Dogpile search turned up two stories, one from ABCNews.com, and the other from MSNBC talking about this. I know the stories are a little old, but perhaps you didn't see them the first time... or conveniently forgot them.




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