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Bill and Hillary's Porn Star Fan

Howard Mortman at Extreme Mortman links to a piece that reports of Jenna Jameson's enthusiastic support for a President Hillary. Jenna also loved the Clinton years because they were great for the porn industry. Gee, what a shocker.


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And you an some many other ... (Below threshold)
JFO:

And you an some many other wingnuts whine about bush derangement syndrome. God you folks are funny.

There are <a href="http://w... (Below threshold)

There are reports out today the Senator Vitter received five phone calls from the prostitute service while he was on the job, including calls madein the middle of roll call votes.

And the best you guys can come up with in response is that some pitiful porn star likes the Clintons?

Holy hypocrisy, Batman -- please point us to the posts on this blog that speak out against Vitter's actions.

tick...tick...tick -- You won't find any.

A $multi-billion bus... (Below threshold)
Adrian Browne:


A $multi-billion business backing Hillary?

A celebrity backing Hillary?

A private citizen supporting Hillary?

A successful businesswoman supporting Hillary?

A porno star backing Hillary?

A prostitute supports Hillary?

A particular person supporting Hillary?

*yaaaaawn*

Judge not lest ye be judged.

The <a href="http://blogica... (Below threshold)

The Jameson quote came out about two months ago. Vitter is getting his just rewards in the press and public opinion, which has nothing to do with this story. And I know anyone with any brains agrees, no matter what their political convictions.

The funniest thing about Jameson, based on what she said at the time, was that she actually thought Bill Clinton could run for office again. At least she can do one thing well, because thinking isn't one of them.

Ms. Jameson does two things... (Below threshold)
Matt:

Ms. Jameson does two things well. Maybe three. We know what the first one is. She is also a very succesful business woman, even if you despise the business. She also drives the local governments in the Phoenix metroplex nuts, opening and defending adult entertainment establishments.

She is also a very succe... (Below threshold)

She is also a very succesful business woman, even if you despise the business.

Color me unimpressed.

Perhaps Hillary has ... (Below threshold)
Adrian Browne:


Perhaps Hillary has to pander to the porno industry as the Republicans have the Hypocrite Lobby all sewn up.

Vitter/Allen '08

Hmmmm....OK, so Je... (Below threshold)

Hmmmm....

OK, so Jefferson/Reid '08 for the Dems then?

On the hypocrite ticket how... (Below threshold)
JFO:

On the hypocrite ticket how about:

Vitter/Any republiican politician

OK, now seriously. How can... (Below threshold)

OK, now seriously. How can anybody--anybody--talking about politics can really think shouting "hypocrisy" is really going to move the conversation anywhere? I think it's pretty well established that all sides are guilty of that with lots of examples that can be dredged up pretty easily. Apparently my last comment failed to make that point well enough.

If Jenna was as smart a bus... (Below threshold)
superdestroyer:

If Jenna was as smart a businessperson as she claims she would realize that what lead to success of the porn business in the late 1990's was the internet. Porn got to the internet with a money making model well before most other businesses. However, the internet has now become to severely cut into porn profits because there is so much free porn on the internet that fewer people are now willing to pay for it. People will not pay the premium prices that made porn profitable in the past.

Puleeeze Tom - the very pos... (Below threshold)
JFO:

Puleeeze Tom - the very posting of the article is as fine an example of hypocrisy as one can find. For years we have been inundated with republicans and conservative talking about being the party of values, the party of family values. It went on and still goes on ad nauseam. They've run elections on the stuff - gay bashing, fear of gays etc. And year after year we discover another upstanding republican politician of "family values" who gets hookers, divorces his wife, cheats on his wife, tells his wife while she's in the hospital he's dumping on her. And on and on.

Yes, hypocrisy exists on both sides. But, I'm sorry, when a post like this thing is put up, well it deserves all the scorn it can get.

What JFO? You don't think ... (Below threshold)

What JFO? You don't think I could find any examples of a hypocritical post on Wizbang Blue, Daily Kos, etc.?

Thanks for making my point again.

I can recall a time when Ja... (Below threshold)
Robert the Original:

I can recall a time when James Carville and Larry Flynt were the only two people supporting Wild Bill.

It didn't last for long mind you, but for a while Hillary and Chelsea weren't talking to him, the press was against him and cabinet members were still in shock.

Course that was before Flynt was elevated to high status in the party and given the keys to the treasury - the stolen FBI files on Republicans.

So it cannot be said that the First Smoker of the Monica has been anything but loyal in return and the porn industry can truly rejoice in its newfound status. This is just but one more example.

In related news, it has been reported that both Hill and Bill are attending Sunday service with regularity - reformed as they are - and ready again to court the votes of the religious.

Now I am a pretty conservat... (Below threshold)
MunDane:

Now I am a pretty conservative guy, but this is just stupid.

Seriously, Jenna Jameson is about as relevant to national politics as Charlie Sheen.

I really could care less what someone who acts in any capacity says about national politics. Look, if conservatives wish to discount the fevered ramblings of Rosie O, George Clooney and Emperess Streisand, we need to discount them no matter the case they are trying to make or how it helps the conservative cause.

Well, as JT might say, "Thi... (Below threshold)
LAB:

Well, as JT might say, "Things that make you go hmm..." ROTFLMFAO!!!

<a href="http://www.cnn.com... (Below threshold)
mantis:

Vitter gets behind Giuliani

Louisiana Sen. David Vitter has announced he is backing former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani's presidential bid.

You were saying?

Very interesting porn link ... (Below threshold)
astigafa:

Very interesting porn link on your front page, BTW. Anna Nicole lesbian scene, hey?

Yeah, you people are the standard for moral behavior.

Big deal, Jenna supports Hi... (Below threshold)
suhnami:

Big deal, Jenna supports Hillary. What's your point? Supporters of Hillary represent all the immoral riffraff of society? I'm sure everyone here lives perfect sin free lives, and therefore is free to cast judgement on anyone they feel, just like Jesus taught... oh wait a minute....

I personally have not seen ... (Below threshold)

I personally have not seen much of Jenna Jamesons's works. Call me old fashioned, but give me a good Ginger Lynn film of the 1980's anyday.

As usual, the libbies led b... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

As usual, the libbies led by JFO are firmly standing up and defending porn stars. I believe I am one of the first to say Vitter should resign his seat. Something you libbies would never do because you do not have CORE values. You have polls. You wait to see what is the popular thing to believe. That is morally bankrupt. I know we have a few weak links in the party, but what is important is how we deal with them. Case by case basis, republicans are far less excepting of immorality them the lefties. In fact the liberals embrace depravity. Just look at their comments here and their embrace of Larry Flynt.

Oh yeah! Can one of you idiots site a source where a leading candidate or politician bashed gays? Don't think so. We embrace the sinner, not the sin. You embrace the sin, not the sinner. ww

Here's a freaking gem regar... (Below threshold)
jim:

Here's a freaking gem regarding porn star Mary Carey, who ran for governor in our "Total Recall" circus of a few years ago. She attended a GOP fun-raiser.

http://www.counterpunch.org/frank05202005.html

' "I'm hoping to run as Lieutenant Governor of California next year," said Carey, who was arrested in Tacoma, Washington for touching herself in a sexual manner this past week. "Since Arnold [Schwarzenegger] is a Republican, I thought this dinner would be a great networking opportunity for me." '

Ha hahahha! I mean, conservative or liberal, can you not help but laugh at a paragraph like that? I ask you.

I remember laughing when hearing how Bush ordered his staff in no uncertain terms that she was not allowed to get within 20 feet of him for a picture...googled, but couldn't find a reference for it. Ah well. Couldn't blame him for that, really; she's a freakin' lightning rod for trouble. Just so funny imagining that picture.

WildWillie, the Bible seems... (Below threshold)

WildWillie, the Bible seems to define "sin" with a wide net that defines it as anything that falls short of the glory of God, including prayers that fall short.

Masturbation is not specifically defined as "sin" anywhere in the Bible, and porn is largely a commericially available masturbation aid product according to even an Episcopal Priest who once headed the YMCA's Sex Education Instruction Program in the U.S. and wrote on the subject in books. So in the context of "sin", porn must fall pretty short as any major offense against God if masturbation is not even specifically pointed out as "sin" while glutony(over eating) and other issues are clearly referred to in the Bible as "sin". Even fundamentalists like the hugely overweight, Pastor John Hagee of San Antonio's Cornerstone Church, point out that many Christian fundamentalists won't smoke or dance, but then overeat and fall short of God's glory and commit "sin".

Some like to claim the story of Onan is a Biblical assault on the practice of masturbation. Nonsense. He disobeyed God, by refusing to impregnate his dead brother's wife as ordered by God, and spilled his "seed" on the ground. That's not masturbation at all. That's disobedience to God.

You're right that some Republican lawmakers spent a lot of time worrying about masturbation issues like porn, WildWillie. But should they? Is masturbation an important concern for government or a purely private matter for the individual to decide what's moral for them or not?

Jesus did warn against the nature of "lust" though. So not allowing your lust to control your life is also an important balance as well. Balance seems to be the key as well to living by the spirit of God's Word rather than living by the letter of the law, in which we would all fail.

*shrug*I don't thi... (Below threshold)
kbiel:

*shrug*

I don't think people bought her videos for political analysis.

Now if only Vitter had rape... (Below threshold)
Jo:

Now if only Vitter had raped a campaign worker and had his porno sex at his actual senate office, got blow jobs while discussing troop deployment with congressmen, etc. etc. then the democrats would back him for president. And N.O.W. would get behind him and defend him all the way!!! Yeeeehaw!!!

But so far only Clinton has managed to win that sleaze factor race. And I bet he manages to be the title holder till his death.

Have you seen a photo of Ja... (Below threshold)

Have you seen a photo of Jameson lately? Gah! She looks like a piece of beef jerky.

Porn star Mimi Demay... (Below threshold)

Porn star Mimi Demayo ran for governor of Nevada in 2006.

Oregonmuse, One of my good ... (Below threshold)

Oregonmuse, One of my good friends in the Oregon adult bookstore business used to attend the yearly trade conventions by adult industry in Las Vegas sponsored by AVN. He told me that Seka and others looked pretty rough close up in person as well.

You have to figure that a lot of the persons in this industry are "rough trade" personalities in order to be paid to do the degrading things that they do for money and the "entertainment" of others. My brother did sit next to a popular Men's magazine nude model and had a great flight where she was a very funny and a charming person. So probably the worst things that you do for money, the rougher the personality. Those that just take off their clothes are pretty mainstream, and those doing really rough "gonzo" porn are far tougher persons and look the part.

All hail Paul Hoo hoo hooso... (Below threshold)
jhow66:

All hail Paul Hoo hoo hooson the professor!

Paul, it is obvious you are... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

Paul, it is obvious you are a porn supporter. I think it is wrong on many, many levels. It uses the gift of love given by God to be shared in an intimate, caring setting and exposes it for all to see. It debases women for the most part, and she is a child of God. Men oggle and have impure thoughts. They do lust. Some sick individuals cannot control the urges porn brings and then rapes a woman or child. Yeah. It is a regular gift.

Also, to turn away from sin you have to achknowledge the sin. Causing someone to stumble is a sin. Abusing someone is a sin. Having impure or unhealthy thoughts about someone is a sin. Of course fornication is a sin outside matrimony. There is no way you can accept pornography as a wholesome, healthy commodity. ww

Some sick individuals ca... (Below threshold)
mantis:

Some sick individuals cannot control the urges porn brings and then rapes a woman or child.

Ahem.

Tom Blogical: You can be u... (Below threshold)
Paul Hamilton:

Tom Blogical: You can be unimpressed if you want, but if the market wasn't so large, the business wouldn't be so successful. As long as she entered into that line of work by her own free will, I don't see what is wrong with it. If you don't approve, do your most effective part to stop porn by not buying any, thus removing the only thing that keeps it going -- profit.

Superdestroyer: The porn business has been in the forefront of EVERY technological improvement. They were the group most responsible for the success of video tape, and their use of VHS over Beta won that format war. And yes, they were early adapters of the internet, which is why you still hear some out-of-touch people saying that "90% of the content on the web is porn" or some such foolishness. Of course now the web is involved in just about all aspects of our lives, but even if we never visit a porn site, we all owe these folks a thank you for kick-starting the internet revolution.

And before anybody accuses me of being a porn freak, no, I don't like it much. The vast majority of it is formulaic and extremely dull. IMHO, once a person takes off their clothes, most of the real eroticism is lost and all you're left with is "the old in-out," as Alex deLarge so famously put it in "A Clockwork Orange."

WildWillie, I simply suppor... (Below threshold)

WildWillie, I simply support the same level of the freedom of expression that most Europeans have and those in Israel have, which is no government censorship at all. The strict wording of our First Amendment should ban all censorship laws for adults. Even if I find something tasteless or offensive personally, then it is not my right to decide what bothers may choose, nor should it be yours.

Your assumption is that sex is ordained by God in marriage. Fine. But this does not address single persons or their sexual needs. Porn no doubt gives them a nonAids sexual outlet that is without the risks of pregnancy,etc. No one ever caught aids from a book or video. Even the staples are safe.

Mantis, some screwball could use any excuse to commit violence against anyone for any reason. Look at that Virginia Tech nut. You can't ban access to all materials or entertainment for 300 million Americans because one mental defective will claim that it moltivated to commit a weird crime, Society can't function like that.

Most adults have viewed sexual material online or elsewhere, and very, very few have ever commited any sex crimes. And that's 10's of millions of persons who have viewed adult material online or elsewhere. So those very few weirdos who claim porn made them do are liars who don't want to take responsibility for their own actions. You can't ban materials because of a small number of mental defectives who claim it made them do something. The Son Of Sam killer claimed his dog told him to kill people. Does this mean that you ban pets?

Mantis, some screwball c... (Below threshold)
mantis:

Mantis, some screwball could use any excuse to commit violence against anyone for any reason. Look at that Virginia Tech nut. You can't ban access to all materials or entertainment for 300 million Americans because one mental defective will claim that it moltivated to commit a weird crime, Society can't function like that.

Did you follow the link? I think you misunderstand me.

Paul Hamilton:I <i... (Below threshold)

Paul Hamilton:

I don't buy porn, and yes, I'll remain unimpressed, thanks. I'll reserve being impressed for people that don't win a skankularity contest and actually invent something, or for those that bust their asses making their money in traditional businesses.

Sex is the most traditional... (Below threshold)
mantis:

Sex is the most traditional business there is. They don't call prostitution the "world's oldest profession" for nothin.

You can dress up a pig, put... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

You can dress up a pig, put make up on the pig, take it to a fancy restaurant and it is still a pig. Depravity is depravity. Drug dealers make billions, I guess they are "innovative" also. How about the addictive side of pornography? Just expectant casualties? How about decency? Is that lost? How about expecting more from people? This is a right or wrong issue to me, not a "whatever feels good do it" retro crap. ww

Sex is the most traditio... (Below threshold)

Sex is the most traditional business there is. They don't call prostitution the "world's oldest profession" for nothin.

I think you know what I mean about traditional. Otherwise, someone might think you don't think Vitter did anything wrong.

I think you know what I ... (Below threshold)
mantis:

I think you know what I mean about traditional. Otherwise, someone might think you don't think Vitter did anything wrong.

By visiting a prostitute? No, I don't think he did anything "wrong" (though that sort of thing ain't my bag, baby). Illegal, yes; wrong, no. Now the adultery part, provided that his wife was not aware or did not approve of such activities, would be wrong.

My bringing up Vitter was more pointing out the ridiculousness of trying to tar a candidate by pointing out the foibles (or moral failings, if you wish) of those who support that candidate. It's a stupid and childish thing to do.

Then again, stupid and childish is kind of Kim's M.O., so par for the course.

But yes, I know what you meant by traditional. Yet somehow, that didn't stop me. ;)

Lee "The Thief" Ward<... (Below threshold)
marc:

Lee "The Thief" Ward

Holy hypocrisy, Batman -- please point us to the posts on this blog that speak out against Vitter's actions. tick...tick...tick -- You won't find any.

From thief to wizbang editor, that's an amazing transformation.

BTW can you point me in the direction of your post outlining how 2 1/2 times as many dems crossed over than reps on the latest surrender bill?

mantis:I don't thi... (Below threshold)

mantis:

I don't think the Clinton's need anyone's help being tarred. They do well enough on their own. ;-)

Lee "The Thief" Ward<... (Below threshold)
marc:

Lee "The Thief" Ward

Can you point me in the direction of your post on the Imperial Duo?

It would be interesting to see your take on why the two Dem leaders are trying to "fix" the debates.

So much or open honest debates right?

Democrats started this, "lo... (Below threshold)
Robin Roberts:

Democrats started this, "look who supports Republican candidates" line a long time ago. Boy do they whine when their own rhetoric is turned against them.

Mantis, I read the link aga... (Below threshold)

Mantis, I read the link again. But my personal opinion is that porn has no effect on rape either way. In my view, with a background in both psychology and social work, it neither causes normal persons to commit sex crimes, or abnormal persons to commit crimes regardless of what materials they view.

Men are especially visually oriented, and magazines with cars, motorcycles are girls are normal visual stimulation and entertainment for red-blooded men. On the other hand, many self-proclaimed opponents of porn seem to have weak heterosexual moltivations or other sexual dysfunction problems. James Dobson for example, claims to seldom have normal marital relations with his wife, claiming a "lack" of time as an excuse. And Dr. D. James Kennedy, another major porn opponent, is a former dance instructor(a field stereotyped with many homosexuals by many) has some sort of sexual problem and adopted a daughter instead of fathering one himself. It's interesting that persons like this with either questionable heterosexual drives or other serious marital dysfunctions want to impose their own problems on others and ban porn for normal persons wirh no problems. But it takes all types I guess.

Next time some wise-guy politician claims to oppose porn, ask him if he's not very heterosexual then. That really shuts them up fast.

You have to figure... (Below threshold)
You have to figure that a lot of the persons in this industry are "rough trade" personalities in order to be paid to do the degrading things that they do for money and the "entertainment" of others.

You're certainly right about this, but actually, the photo of Jameson I saw reminded me of ugliness in the Michael Jackson sense, that is, she looked like she had undergone numerous attempts at plastic surgery that were not at all successful. I have no idea if this is true, but I think you can reach a point where the sorts of things you can do to make yourself look beautiful only make you look worse, and Jameson appeared to be well beyond this point.




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