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Painting Iraq Green


This video from Dan Riehl
is the kind of thing I would love to see on television -- a visual image of progress in Iraq. Yeah, that's right -- Progress. In. Iraq.


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Lorie, I too would love to ... (Below threshold)

Lorie, I too would love to see progress in Iraq. In Baghdad, the Mayor has supported a project to build a wonderful city park complete with basketball and tennis courts and swings and other playground equipment for children. But the park remains empty because families are too afraid to use it, and over 200 construction and park workers have so far lost their lives to violence while building this park.

Iraq will know that life has truly returned to normal when a family can enjoy a nice day in this park and not lose their lives to sectarian violence, criminals or terrorists. Every family in Iraq deserves to enjoy a nice day in the park with their family. That should be a basic right. Here in the U.S. we take for granted little blessings like enjoying a peaceful day in the park.

"Lorie, I too would love to... (Below threshold)
RobLACal.:

"Lorie, I too would love to see progress in Iraq"

Well what taking ya? Get your ass over there.

Lorie, I think you better c... (Below threshold)
Steve Crickmore:

Lorie, I think you better change the color of your map; green no longer represents a sign of safe security in Iraq. The new dress code in Baghdad's Green Zone now calls for vest and hat...Flak vest and Kevlar helmet...

Progress in Iraq does not... (Below threshold)

Progress in Iraq does not fit in with the
"Bush is Hitler,Bush is an idiot"theme from liberals and
their friends in the MSM.
(but Bush was able to trick all those super intelligent
democrats into voting for the Iraq war and steal two
presidential elections,go figure)

The progress</e... (Below threshold)
Jo:

The progress-ives won't like this kind of progress.

Paul Hooson, I don't know w... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

Paul Hooson, I don't know where you live, but in Houston, you can enjoy the parks but get out before dusk or you may become a statistic.

Again, I must say, you refuse to take any good news, no matter how small and enjoy it. Looking through that prism of negativity again. I for one am glad the Iraqie army is taking the lead in their own security. Way to go. ww

I get what you are saying P... (Below threshold)
Lorie Byrd:

I get what you are saying Paul, and realize things are nowhere close to being perfect in Iraq. I said that progress is being made, not that security has been achieved yet in all (or even most) areas.

As for the park example, I will probably get beat up for saying this, but it is the truth -- there are quite a few parks in some cities in the U.S. where parents are afraid to take their kids lest they be a victim of a drive-by or other gang violence. Sad, but true.

Lorie don't you know that a... (Below threshold)
jhow66:

Lorie don't you know that anything poative out of Iraq ia a no no to those on the left? If there were just one city block that was not safe it would still be "oh woe is me" to them . Sheeze it makes you want to puke.

"postive"... (Below threshold)
jhow66:

"postive"

Great video. Iraqi's are p... (Below threshold)
Robert the Original:

Great video. Iraqi's are pickin' it up.

the year is 1972. The Miam... (Below threshold)
Justrand:

the year is 1972. The Miami Dolphins season goes like this:

Week 1: despite Miami's vaunted defense the KC CHIEFS still scored 10 points and ran up hundreds of yards of offense!

Week 2: This time Miami gave up 13 points...to the lowly OILERS!! And, once again, they allowed their opponent to run up and down the field to the tune of hundreds of yards!!

Week 3: it just gets WORSE!! First 10 points...then 13 points...and now 14 points...to the VIKINGS this time! More yards by the opponent, with the Dolphins playing from behind most of the day!

Week 4: JETS score 17 points!! SEVENTEEN! Let's look at the trend, shall we?? 10...13...14...17. We need a new strategy...new coach...new team!! There seems little point in continuing to even PLAY this season. The physical damage being done to the players is too much!
SUPPORT THE PLAYERS...END THE SEASON!!

Week 5: Sure enough...although the CHARGERS "only" scored 10 points, they injured the Dolphin quarterback severely...and he is lost for some time. Had we ENDED the season last week our QB would be in fine health!! HOW LONG MUST WE ENDURE THIS??

Week 6: The bleeding continues!! This time it is the BILLS inflicting it, as they score 23!!! And our Quarterback is THIRTY-EIGHT years old!! 38!

SACK Don Shula!! Support the Players: Stop the season!!
But the Dolphins refused to stop the season! More players were injured...more yards and points were surrendered! Madness.
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p.s. the Dolphins went undefeated in 1972...but you wouldn't know it if you ONLY READ ABOUT THE OPPOSING TEAM!!

Excellent points, Justrand.... (Below threshold)
C-C-G Author Profile Page:

Excellent points, Justrand.

Too bad Hooson and his lefty friends won't get it.

Steve, a few years ago I visited friends in Portland (Oregon, not Maine). They lived in an area of town that didn't appear, to the naked eye, to be dangerous. However they advised me to sleep on the floor in their spare room, not on the bed. Seems that even in this nice neighborhood, with swing sets in the backyards and even some pools, no junkers on cinder blocks in the driveway, and mostly nice cars in the garages, they had regular drive-by shootings at night.

Flak vest and Kevlar helmet should be standard issue in many American cities, like Portland, as well.

When will the Dhimmicrats approve legislation demanding that we pull out of those cities as well?

Great point Justrand. I gue... (Below threshold)
Rob:

Great point Justrand. I guess everything' going great in Iraq. We're undefeated. You can't be this delusional, can you? I want the war to end as much as anyone on the hysterical left, but i know the consequences of leaving at this point are beyond catastrophic. There are no good choices anymore and no clear road to success beyond the useless Iraqi people finally stepping up and taking the future of their own country into their own hands which won;t happen for at least a month because it's hot in Bagdhdad and the leaders need a vacation from all of their failure. Progress is good (and welcome, despite the prevailing belief by all of the wacky fringe right that think democrats want us to lose), but to characterize Iraq as one big smashing success dressed up like a failure by the media is just a joke.

Rob, You missed the ... (Below threshold)
Lorie Byrd:

Rob,
You missed the point Justrand was making which is that even a huge success can be spun negatively. No one is saying Iraq is a huge success, but if even a winning season can be spun negatively, just think how much easier it is to spin progress in Iraq as a negative. Steve Schippert gave an excellent example this weekend pointing to a story bemoaning the decrease in readiness of the Iraqi army. Not noted was that the decrease in readiness was due to a huge influx of new recruits. In other words, many more people are joining up and believe it or not they don't come in already trained. Since a larger percentage of the troops are newbies they are not as well trained as those who have been in the military for a while. What could easily have been reported as a positive story that Iraqis are seeing progress and are now more willing to be part of a winning team investing in the future of their country was spun as the negative that readiness has declined. Typical glass half full/half empty -- for some reason those in the mainstream media always seem to report the half empty story.

for some reason those in... (Below threshold)
JLawson:

for some reason those in the mainstream media always seem to report the half empty story.

Bad news gets continuious attention, Lorie, but good news is quickly forgotten. When the name of the game is ratings, you want as many viewer eyeballs as possible. The more eyeballs, the higher the ratings, the more you can charge for an ad spot.

Good news doesn't equal good ratings. And given the choice between good or bad news, they'll go for the best possible ratings every time.

thx C-C-G and Lorie...I was... (Below threshold)
Justrand:

thx C-C-G and Lorie...I was off eating dinner and missed Rob's "response".

that was exactly my point. I actually went back and dug up the stats from the Miami Dolphins undefeated season. Even in the games where they shut out the other team, the other team gained yards, injured Dolphin players, etc.

Imagine a Sportscaster focusing ONLY on those aspects of each game...and never telling you that in each and every game the Dolphins came out on top!!

So it goes with our military. They have and will win each and every engagement. They have made HUGE progress. Yet every day the MSM paints alQueda in glowing terms, fawning over their ability to fight on!!

The reality is that we ARE winning...in every way except in the media and the Congress.

Way past pathetic!

C'mon guys. Look at the ma... (Below threshold)

C'mon guys. Look at the map and understand what it says. There are green areas and darker green areas that are showing marked improvement. It's not perfect and it never will be. Not any more perfect than Los Angeles will ever be. I'd like to see the same thing done with a map of Los Angeles to drive the point home. Pick a gang infested area of Los Angeles that can't be painted green and take a walk. Go ahead, I dare ya.

Take particular note of the enlarged Baghdad area. While two of you saw fit to bring up Baghdad specifically, the map shows clearly that Baghdad is still a problem area, but is also making progress. Baghdad is the most heavily populated city in Iraq and it's only logical that it will be harder to regain control of such an area. Heavily populated areas are a favorite for criminal types as it's easier to hide and victims are plentiful.

There are numerous areas of Iraq where none dared to walk the street but now they are doing it without fear and business is popping up and local economies are expanding. But you will ignore it and point elsewhere to emphasize how bad it is.

Baghdad is not indicative of the entire country anymore than Los Angeles is of the entire US.

No one is saying it's perfect, but why, oh why, is it so bad to bring up any and all successes or good news? Why does any mention of it cause you to become so chagrined that you have to cut it down and come just short of calling any heralder of good news a liar?

Something I've noticed on t... (Below threshold)
JLawson:

Something I've noticed on the left, Oyster, is that there's very few shades of gray in their world. Everything is either perfect, or completely and totally FUBAR, and all it takes is one bit of bad news to swing things to the FUBAR side. Iraq could be 99% peaceful, but one car bomb would be evidence that there's no way the country can EVER be at peace, so we need to bug out ASAP.

By that standard, LA should be abandoned to the gangs.

When things go wrong as they sometimes will.
When the road you're trudging seems all up hill.
When funds are low and the debts are high.
And you want to smile, but you have to sigh.
When care is pressing you down a bit.
Rest, if you must, but don't you quit.

Life is queer with its twists and turns.
As everyone of us sometimes learns.
And many a failure turns about.
When he might have won had he stuck it out:
Don't give up though the pace seems slow -
You may succeed with another blow.

Success is failure turned inside out -
The silver tint of the clouds of doubt
And you never can tell how close you are.
It may be near when it seems so far:
So stick to the fight when you're hardest hit -
It's when things seem worst that you must not quit.

Yeah, it's dumb and old-fashioned advice, but true none the less. Every day the Dems try to get us to turn away from the fight, and their attempts at that cannot help but encourage the folks we're fighting. THEY won't quit until they're beaten - why are the Dems trying to quit when we're beating the enemy?

Hmmm....that's not exactly ... (Below threshold)
BC:

Hmmm....that's not exactly a hopeful map once you pay attention to the details. The northeastern dark green zone is Kurdish territory and that was essentially "green" from the beginning. The other green areas were for the most part also not very problematic. The problem areas at the beginning of the war, especially western Iraq and Baghdad, are still problem areas except most notably in the northern towns like Mosul, and even then that's probably due to the nearby presence and immigration of US-friendly, anti-al-Qaeda Kurds.

This is a nice piece about a sort of schizo environment that's developing in areas of rebuilding and lingering, if ebbing brutal violence.

-BC

I'm not usually this long w... (Below threshold)

I'm not usually this long winded, but here goes anyway:

Gray areas are a funny thing. They're sometimes subject to opinion. Although, not always. I know both sides are guilty of close examination of gray areas when it suits them, but I think that the gravity of a situation should determine when it's important to to do so. Iraq is one of those subjects.

It's also important to acknowledge gray areas when any subject produces heated discussion as it will paint a better picture of the issue, as long as facts, rather than opinion, are used. Then, and only then, can people reach proper conclusions about an issue. Iraq, again, is one of those subjects.

It's those who consistently ignore gray areas simply because they're inconvenient to their overall political philosphy which dictates their opinion or conclusion, rather than consideration of mitigating factors and little known facts, which may change the entire picture, that bothers me.

When I see discussion about Iraq so often evolving into, "Well, I never though we should have done it in the first place," I have to say that it's really moot at this point. It's actually a whole 'nother argument. But we are there and we must doing everything in our power to see it through to success, rather than incessant pounding away at any news of successes great and small just to keep one's original opinion validated.

Like the situation in Iraq, we have Paul Hooson who consistently downgrades the situation when successes are reported, as if there aren't already a plethora of news accounts of the failures. And as with the recent video of celebrations in Anbar, he depicts it as staged or simple "propaganda" perpetrated by people with ill-intent. Say what?

It's a matter of looking at the balance of good vs. bad at this point and coming to the conclusion that news of progress in Iraq is not an illusion or propaganda designed to ignore failures, but to help give a better overall picture of it. If successes are indeed happening more often, it may be time to re-evaluate one's opinion to include, honestly, in one's dialog that those successes may very well be gaining ground against bad news.

Optimism is not always a bad thing simply because the bad still gets most of the press.

Frankly, I'm still optimistic for the Iraqi people. I don't think they're a lost cause. I don't think they're, as a whole, stupid people who either don't care or don't know what's good for them. I don't think most of the Iraqi people aren't willing to embrace the concepts of democracy. I do think that most of them are quiet and not openly demonstrative of their wishes or values and they don't get any press for the surely uncountable small actions and acts of kindness that inexorably push them towards being a great people the rest of the world can openly acknowledge.

Here's another real shocker for you: I also think that with the undeniable successes that even the most dour of reporters are willing to acknowledge, it may very well be time to start thinking about a slow withdrawal.

But not as front page news fodder.

I still think it should be handled out of the press and strategically as possible. The last thing we need to do is to start crowing about our withdrawal to our enemies and giving them the opportunity to plan a greater offensive based on timetables blabbed to the entire world. We've done enough exposing of secrets and strategies already.

You mean those truble makin... (Below threshold)
spurwing plover:

You mean those truble making jerks from GREENPEACE are in IRAQ that just what they dont need is this bunch of trouble makers

This clearly shows the succ... (Below threshold)
nogo war:

This clearly shows the success of the surge. I still have some doubts but I have usually been persuaded by color charts based on fact.
I only hope this is not blocked from our troops over there.

The problem areas ... (Below threshold)
C-C-G Author Profile Page:
The problem areas at the beginning of the war, especially western Iraq and Baghdad, are still problem areas except most notably in the northern towns like Mosul, and even then that's probably due to the nearby presence and immigration of US-friendly, anti-al-Qaeda Kurds.

And it is precisely those areas that are being targeted by General Petraeus.

In short, he is putting the fire out where the fire exists.

You should be applauding that strategy, BC. After all, weren't the lefties screaming that Dubya needed to send more troops... right up until he did send more troops, then the tune changed?

C-C-G wrote:And... (Below threshold)
BC:

C-C-G wrote:

And it is precisely those areas that are being targeted by General Petraeus.

In short, he is putting the fire out where the fire exists.

You should be applauding that strategy, BC. After all, weren't the lefties screaming that Dubya needed to send more troops... right up until he did send more troops, then the tune changed?

I'm not too sure what you mean. I was pointing out that the animated green zone map was misleading since the bulk of the problem areas are still problem areas, most notably western Iraq and Baghdad. Play that animation again and pay attention to the green zone coverage in Baghdad -- it actually peaked late last year and has become less green.

We need either a lot more troops than we have -- Bush waited too long -- or a far more clever command staff. Nobody seems all that keen on the former and only Bush's impeachment is going to fix the latter. And Petraeus seems to be no more than a loyal toady.

BCBush waited ... (Below threshold)

BC
Bush waited too long

That's an easy complaint to make of a wartime President. Name a successful wartime commander in chief that has not heard the same.
Lincoln comes to mind...so does FDR.
Every Cold War President heard that complaint. Although he was not President, Washington came perilously close to waiting too long.

Yes, BC, the point flew rig... (Below threshold)
C-C-G Author Profile Page:

Yes, BC, the point flew right over your head.

The point is, the trouble spots are now trouble spots because we, along with the Iraqis, are now fighting back in those areas!

You didn't really think the terrorists were going to just roll over and play dead when the troops started shooting at them, did you?

Wait a sec, you're a lefty. Of course that's what you thought. You can't comprehend the idea that the enemy shoots back, can you?

C-C-G wrote:Yes... (Below threshold)
BC:

C-C-G wrote:

Yes, BC, the point flew right over your head.

Hmmm....why am I doubtful of this particular point....

The point is, the trouble spots are now trouble spots because we, along with the Iraqis, are now fighting back in those areas!

You didn't really think the terrorists were going to just roll over and play dead when the troops started shooting at them, did you?

Wait a sec, you're a lefty. Of course that's what you thought. You can't comprehend the idea that the enemy shoots back, can you?

I see -- we lost ground in Baghdad because we shot at the terrorists, which then caused them to shoot back, thereby causing less green zone. And the reason western Iraq is green free is because....we haven't shot back yet?

Hmmm....well for one thing, I'm not really a lefty -- more a "Nondumbassy" -- and your logic requires a dangerously low level of brain cells to be compelling.

-BC

Obviously you've been smoki... (Below threshold)
C-C-G Author Profile Page:

Obviously you've been smoking something that's been killing off brain cells, BC. I'd advise you to stop it before you're tempted to vote for Hillary.

The point is clear to anyone with average intelligence.




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