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Launch of Media Mythbusters Wiki

In 2006, the Associated Press ran a story about six Sunnis who were doused with kerosene and burned alive while nearby Iraqi soldiers watched and did nothing. The source for the story was identified as Captain Jamil Hussein of the Iraqi police force. The story received wide coverage and was even cited by NBC news as the tipping point that led them to begin referring to the war in Iraq as a civil war.

Digging by bloggers (in particular Curt at Flopping Aces) revealed that not only was the story not substantiated, nor could a "Captain Jamil Hussein" be found, but that the AP had cited Captain Jamil Hussein as the source for more than 60 other stories, most about Sunni on Shia violence. Eventually, in reaction to questions from bloggers, much of the "Sunni burning six" story was retracted and "Captain Jamil Hussein" was eventually determined to be a pseudonym. I wondered how the untrue story got reported as widely as it did, considering the suspicion surrounding the source from the very beginning. I looked for some type of online archive in which suspicious stories and sources were tracked and I was unable to find anything. In order to find previous similar stories it was necessary to search many different major and new media sources to piece together a full picture. There were already some excellent sites tracking media bias, but no one site archiving information about stories that had been found to be inaccurate or untrue.

I tossed around the idea for such an archive with some of my blogger friends and a few liked the idea and suggested the site be in wiki format so that many contributors could post there as new information became available. The result is the Media Mythbuster wiki.

Media Mythbusters is a place for approved contributors to archive facts and links to chronicle major journalism's treatment of stories in which questions have arisen regarding facts or methods of reporting. Because the site is a wiki, it will always be a work in progress. Some of the listed entries consist of just a framework awaiting content to come, while others are already quite extensive. We have provided a format and some intitial posted items to serve as the beginning of a site I hope will grow considerably into a valuable resource.


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At last I can tell my frien... (Below threshold)

At last I can tell my friends about it! You and Terresa and a lot of other people deserve a big round of applause for what you've done. I'll get busy spreading the word as soon as I click Submit.

Bravo. Great idea.<p... (Below threshold)
jpm100:

Bravo. Great idea.

However, if the focus is too narrow I'll be disappointed. I mean, for example, there are some folks on the right that maintain this last immigration go around wasn't amnesty. So will coverage that takes the tact of debunking the myth it wasn't Amnesty be published? I'm sure some Bush Loyalists are eager to debunk it was amnesty too.

jpm, if you can find anythi... (Below threshold)

jpm, if you can find anything as flagrantly fabricated as Reuters fauxtography, the Dan Rather mess, and the whole Jamil Hussein myth, feel free to offer it up. This isn't about differing interpretations, but outright, blatant lies that are conclusively proven to be false -- and that is a hell of a high standard.

Fortunately, the media is so careless and arrogant that multiple examples are ready at hand.

J.

I hope it deals with "anony... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

I hope it deals with "anonymous" sources, also. I do not know how it can be done, but some enterprising computer whiz or seasoned reporter can figure it out. ww

How many nes stairies are t... (Below threshold)
spurwing plover:

How many nes stairies are true and how many are faked YOU CANT EVER TRUST THE VAST CONTROLED LIBERAL LEFT-WING NEWS MEDIA

It's sad that this is even ... (Below threshold)
P. Bunyan:

It's sad that this is even needed, but with the press being more than 80% leftist is definitly is.

Truth and honesty aren't so important to the people who would give Micheal Moore a place of honor at their convention...

D.O.A.... (Below threshold)
Adrian Browne:

D.O.A.

Spurwig,Spell chec... (Below threshold)
lowmal:

Spurwig,

Spell check and some punctuation would be nice once in a while..

"It's sad that this is even... (Below threshold)
Ted:

"It's sad that this is even needed, but with the press being more than 80% leftist is definitly is."

The problem isn't "80% leftist", it's the almost 100% unprofessional journalism. I don't care what their political views are, as long as it doesn't color their reporting.

I've added links to the Wik... (Below threshold)
Carl:

I've added links to the Wiki and to the blog to my blog's linklist. Media Mythbusters is a well needed resource.

"Eventually, in reaction to... (Below threshold)
ChrisO:

"Eventually, in reaction to questions from bloggers, much of the "Sunni burning six" story was retracted and "Captain Jamil Hussein" was eventually determined to be a pseudonym."

From January 4, 2007: "Ministry spokesman Brig. Abdul-Karim Khalaf, who had previously denied there was any such police employee as Capt. Jamil Hussein, said in an interview that Hussein is an officer assigned to the Khadra police station, as had been reported by The Associated Press..."

Nice going, Lori. Great beginning for your little wiki. I look forward to more insight into what passes for truth in your little world.

I'm actually not surpised to see that you have no clue to what's going on. (I barely followed the Jamil Hussein story, yet I knew from memory that his existence had been established.) Since the majority of your posts seem to consist of an introductory sentence from you followed by a link to someone else's writing, it's understndable that you'd be wrong on this. You must have missed that story when you were reading the right wing blogs so you'd know what to think.

Ted is right. Their politi... (Below threshold)

Ted is right. Their political views aren't so much the problem as is their laziness and dishonesty about their views.

I'd love to help some way with the new Wiki Lori. Let me know if you'd like someone to write occasionally to counter the media mantra of "Saddam wasn't linked to terrorism."

(I barely followed the ... (Below threshold)
marc:

(I barely followed the Jamil Hussein story,

It shows.

MediaMythBusters...what a <... (Below threshold)

MediaMythBusters...what a GREAT idea! Saw the link to it at LGF. Was today the launch day?

ChrisO, you didn't follow t... (Below threshold)

ChrisO, you didn't follow the Jamil Hussein story but you are sure that Lorie does not get it right.

Brilliant example of arrogance and ignorance all in one.

I just took a quick looksee... (Below threshold)
BC:

I just took a quick looksee -- what crackheaded nonsense. Obviously I know a few things about "Rathergate" but the Jamil Hussein "story" for instance is also another idiotic right wing concoction -- even Michelle Malkin, who had been for a while the main pusher behind it, backed away from it, although you really have to look for it.

Even the Reuters Fauxtography bit, the most problematic of the main examples on the opening page, is more confusing than anything else: an undoctored photo of the same attack looks the same as the doctored one, if not even worse, which makes me suspect that the real motive was money -- the photographer was competing with other photographers in the area and tried to jazz up some of his stuff to make it more attractive to the news services like Reuters.

We are fast becoming the most uninformed society since the dawn of the information age -- the Internet has allowed the formation of a kind of boutique news services targeting very narrow demographics, and increasingly only supplying comforting myths rather than real info.

-BC

Looks like the Terrorist... (Below threshold)

Looks like the Terrorist Supporters here are worried about this new MediaMythBusters site already. If the ones here are already spinning like Tops, worrying about the loss of influence for their 'BELOVED' MSM, then imagine what the effect will be on the rest when the MediaMythBusters site really get rolling.

It is amazing to see the fr... (Below threshold)

It is amazing to see the frothy ferver with which the BDS sufferers have to hold on to the faked Jamil Hussein stories. Follow up to the locations of the alleged stories have shown that the events AP related did not occur or were grossly exaggerated. AP's reporting has been discredited.

The faked photos from the Hezbollah conflict in Lebanon were more than just the photoshopped images but also images of Israeli jets photoshopped to show missile strikes that were not actually happening. The posing of bodies by "Green Helmet" man is now widely known too.

<a href="http://photos1.blo... (Below threshold)
To: all Lefties, Trolls, et... (Below threshold)
Les Nessman:

To: all Lefties, Trolls, etc..

Please supply a link to

-A picture of Jamil Hussein
or
-A video of Jamil Hussein
or
-An audio recording of Jamil Hussein
or
-an article with confirmed (by someone other than an Iraqi or AP employee) quotes from Jamil Hussein after this hoax blew up.

otherwise STFU.

"Eventually, in reaction to... (Below threshold)
Lorie Byrd:

"Eventually, in reaction to questions from bloggers, much of the "Sunni burning six" story was retracted and "Captain Jamil Hussein" was eventually determined to be a pseudonym."

Chris O. -- you refuted my quote above by saying:

" 'From January 4, 2007: "Ministry spokesman Brig. Abdul-Karim Khalaf, who had previously denied there was any such police employee as Capt. Jamil Hussein, said in an interview that Hussein is an officer assigned to the Khadra police station, as had been reported by The Associated Press...'

Nice going, Lori. Great beginning for your little wiki. I look forward to more insight into what passes for truth in your little world."

Chris, you might want to look up the definition of pseudonym (if there are dictionaries in "your little world"). It is a fictitious name , not an imaginary person. In addition to the AP using a pseudonym without revealing it was not the real name, the bulk of the story was retracted because it was inaccurate.

I don't doubt that I will make plenty of mistakes. I am all too human. But it would be nice if the mistakes I am accused of are at least real ones.

BC:the photogr... (Below threshold)
marc:

BC:

the photographer was competing with other photographers in the area and tried to jazz up some of his stuff to make it more attractive to the news services like Reuters.

All righty then, that makes it all "better!"

Reuters and their pet photog weren't attempting to deceive the public for political/propaganda reasons, it was all about the MONEY!

BC, when you jumped that shark did it leave a bruise or scar on your ass?

27,693 hits on the frontpag... (Below threshold)

27,693 hits on the frontpage already, and keeps moving uP! I've posted the link at PowerLine and Big Lizards already.

The launch was news to me, ... (Below threshold)

The launch was news to me, so I just sent the Drudge Report a "news tip".

LOL - here's another for yo... (Below threshold)

LOL - here's another for you. Will Collier says that AP is lying about trying to contact him:
http://vodkapundit.com/archives/008958.php

To Les Nessman:Wha... (Below threshold)
BC:

To Les Nessman:

What is your malfunction? As I pointed out, even Michelle Malkin was forced to admit that Jamil Hussein exists. In case you didn't find it in that link (which is easy), this is the text of Malkin's "correction":

I relayed information from multiple sources-CPATT, Centcom, and two other military sources on the ground in Iraq- that the Associated Press's disputed source, Jamil Hussein, could not be found. As I noted on the 4th, the AP reported that the Ministry of Interior in Iraq has now said a Captain Jamil Hussein does work in the al Khadra police station. I regret the error. But no blogger should apologize for raising legitimate questions about AP's transparency, its reliance on local foreign stringers of dubious origins, and information that sources such as Hussein have provided the AP. I will continue to pursue some of the unresolved issues related to this.

If that wasn't enough, another loony right wing site had even mulled over "outing "Jamil because of perceived bias in his AP reports.

Hope this clarifies.

-BC

To Marc:Thanks for... (Below threshold)
BC:

To Marc:

Thanks for pointing out the basic problem with pretty much all right wing news sources -- even when they might be onto something, like with that Photoshopped photo, they, like you, still completely eliminate any credibility on their part by trying to twist it into yet another loony conspiracy theory involving the MSM. No. Reuters is a large, international news organization dealing with many, MANY news stories and submitted photos. And war coverage is always more problematic since you have to rely on more stringers since most people really don't like being in very dangerous situations.

Sometimes a screw-up is just a screw-up and not an attempt to deceive, and greed is often the primary motive for misbehavior and not a political agenda.

And speaking of jumping things, always bear in mind that news organization like Reuters on its worst day is still laughably more responsible as a news source than any right wing/conservative media source you can name.

-BC

Complete nonsense, BC, ther... (Below threshold)

Complete nonsense, BC, there often is a "conspiracy" such as when the head of CNN admitted that they had agreed to suppress stories about Iraq that were critical of the country to retain access.

At 5:24PM, I mentioned that... (Below threshold)

At 5:24PM, I mentioned that the new site already had 27,693 visits. At 6;24PM (now) it has 29,063 visits.

This Wiki is going to be a *HOT* Wiki!

BC:Thanks for ... (Below threshold)
marc:

BC:

Thanks for pointing out the basic problem with pretty much all right wing news sources -- even when they might be onto something, like with that Photoshopped photo,

Is that a deliberate deception or are you just clueless?

The reference was to photos published by Reuters. There's a reason many call the outfit "al-Reuters," and it damn sure isn't because they are a "right wing news" source.

Marc wrote:Is t... (Below threshold)
BC:

Marc wrote:

Is that a deliberate deception or are you just clueless?

The reference was to photos published by Reuters. There's a reason many call the outfit "al-Reuters," and it damn sure isn't because they are a "right wing news" source.

What part of they, like you, still completely eliminate any credibility on their part by trying to twist it into yet another loony conspiracy theory involving the MSM. No. Reuters is a large, international news organization dealing with many, MANY news stories and submitted photos. And war coverage is always more problematic since you have to rely on more stringers since most people really don't like being in very dangerous situations didn't you understand? And as I pointed out earlier, a non-Photoshopped photo of the scene and aftermath looked just as bad -- the only deception going on is apparently self-inflicted....

-BC

Yes, you pointed it out ear... (Below threshold)

Yes, you pointed it out earlier - and it is still false.

Wait until MediaMythBusters... (Below threshold)

Wait until MediaMythBusters start adding things like this:

Clinton passes on Osama in 1996

Clarke and Clinton falsely claim focus on al Qaeda

Saddam's connections to al Qaeda 1

Saddam's connections to al Qaeda 2

Saddam's connections to al Qaeda 3

Clinton links Iraq to plot to "assassinate former President George Bush"

This list could go on and on and on. The world needs a site like MediaMythBusters, to drag the truth back from the deep holes that MSM had buried 'It' (aka - Truth) in. This type of stuff is buried all over the internet, and needs to be 'mined', then sent to a Home like MediaMythBusters.

BTW, it is now 7:20PM , and MMB has over 30,040 visits...


Bummer...looks like TypeKey... (Below threshold)

Bummer...looks like TypeKey is set at just a few links being allowed here. Well, perhaps that 7:20PM post will show up...

I took a great deal of inte... (Below threshold)

I took a great deal of interest in this story at time because a blogger operating under the pseudonym of "Curt" over at Flopping Aces made some outrageous accusations against AP in order to atract attention to his small-time blog site. Some bloggers like "Curt" feel that being controversial is the only way to generate foot traffic, rather than being an adult responsible journalist. They think this is the way to be noticed.

However, "Curt", who will not sign his real name to any of his outrageous "journalism" as anyone else will who stands by their opinions hoped to create a "conspiracy theory" that AP somehow made up news by claiming that an Iraqi Police Captain Jamil Hussein did not exist and claimed that AP made up the source.

AP never retracted the basic story, but issued a statement on Januay 4, 2007 that the name of the Police Captain was actually spelled Jamal Gholaiem Hussein and not spelled Jamil as previously reported. Blogger Michelle Malkin issued an apology and retraction on January 6, 2007 for her earlier claims against AP that Captain Hussein did not exist. But so far "Curt" has refused to be responsible and also admit that he was wrong and made false and libeous accusations against AP. But it takes all types.

It is very common for translation problems from Arabic and Mideastern languages such as Persian to English exist as for example the many varied spellings of Khadaffi of Libya, has his name spelled many ways by the media including a version beginning with a Q that is used by TIME Magazine. Bloggers Michelle Malkin and "Curt"(whoever that really is) over at Flopping Aces hoped to make a big conspiracy theory against AP out of the Captain Hussein report. But AP corrected themselves by offering the corrected spelling of the name of Captain Hussein which is far better than what "Curt" has done so far.

This Captain Hussein story has been a huge embarrassment to some conservative bloggers. They just need to learn to drop it and write it up as a mistake on their part and move on. War is a messy business, and getting reporters to the scene of an violent incident is a life threatening event. Sometimes mistakes such as misspelling a name do happen. Many reporters have already lost their lives in their quest to report this war because of the great danger and bloggers with little credibility like the shadowy "Curt" figure need to grow up and start acting like the adult journalists who are real professionals who actually earn a salary to report and not just some kid who opens up a free Google "blogger" account and writes sensationalistic stuff to drive foot traffic to their small-time blog site.

Robin Roberts wrote:<... (Below threshold)
BC:

Robin Roberts wrote:

Complete nonsense, BC, there often is a "conspiracy" such as when the head of CNN admitted that they had agreed to suppress stories about Iraq that were critical of the country to retain access.

That wasn't a "conspiracy" -- Fox News' "relationship" with the White House and Republicans in general is far more a conspiracy -- go read what that CNN head actually "admitted".

-BC

Not to worry, Paul, "Curt" ... (Below threshold)
mantis:

Not to worry, Paul, "Curt" is a founding contributor over there at Conserva-- I mean, Media Mythbusters Wiki. As is Bob Owens, another Jamil Hussein obsessed blogger. Malkin is notably absent so far.

Hey, thanks for setting the... (Below threshold)
Brian:

Hey, thanks for setting the standard, Less Nessman!

To: all Righties, Trolls, Les Nessman, etc..

Please supply a link to

-A video of Hillary Clinton murdering Vince Foster
or
-A picture of John Kerry self-inflicting his wounds
or
-An audio recording of Bill Clinton raping someone

otherwise STFU.

Paul Hooson<blockquo... (Below threshold)
jpm100:

Paul Hooson

AP never retracted the basic story, but issued a statement on Januay 4, 2007 that the name of the Police Captain was actually spelled Jamal Gholaiem Hussein and not spelled Jamil as previously reported. Blogger Michelle Malkin issued an apology and retraction on January 6, 2007 for her earlier claims against AP that Captain Hussein did not exist.

I never saw such a huge pack of lies packed in such a small place.

Many conservatives, mostly commenters, pondered if Jamil existed or not because AP refused to produce him for so long. That was never the core claim of the story associated with Jamil. Michelle Malkin went to Iraq and obtained factual evidence that a story sourced to Jamil was false. Four Mosques infact had not been burned down, as AP reported, but instead only one sustained minor fire damage. AP refused for a long time to correct itself. Eventually it issued a revised version of the story no longer claiming the mosques were destroyed. But never identified the new story as a correction.

link

-An audio recording of B... (Below threshold)

-An audio recording of Bill Clinton raping someone

Here he is admitting that he refused to take Osama in 1996...

Mantis, yeah, "Curt" got a ... (Below threshold)

Mantis, yeah, "Curt" got a lot of mileage for his small-time blog by making his silly conspiracy theory claims against AP when they only erred by misspelling the name of the Iraqi police captain source which they publicly corrected back on 1/07/2007.

This "Curt" guy just doesn't know when to quit, when others like Malkin have already printed a retraction back on 1/06/2007 that they had the antiAP conspiracy theory story facts all wrong. "Curt" needs to drasticly improve his journalism, not pile on to his debunked claims against AP. WEEKLY WORLD NEWS could use another fiction writer like "Curt" with a big time imagination who can write screwball space alien and vampire stories.

Clinton and Clarke both lie... (Below threshold)

Clinton and Clarke both lied when they said they was "focused" on Osama and al Qaeda. Here's their December of 2000 - A NATIONAL SECURITY STRATEGY FOR A GLOBAL AGE - report. Try finding a mention of al Qaeda or Osama in it. Loaded with the threats that Saddam presented. I found one mention of XXX...see if you can find more.

Jpm100, you have your facts... (Below threshold)

Jpm100, you have your facts wrong just like "Curt".

Here's the nonpartisan timelime of this wacky conspiracy story over at Wikipedia for you to examine. AP publicly retracted that the source of some news reports was Captain Jamal Hussein and not the Jamil as previously reported.

Jamil means beautiful in "Arabic" and probably is not often used as a male name compared to the name Jamal which may be more masculine and more manly.

Here's <a href="http://clin... (Below threshold)

Here's Clinton, accusing Iraq of the 1993 "plot to assassinate former President George Bush."

Dems and MSM forgot about that, when claiming that Saddam had no connection to terrorism. We need this new site to store all of the buried truth...

Seaberry, Clinton did punis... (Below threshold)

Seaberry, Clinton did punish Iraq with missile attacks after this assassination scheme by Saddam was made public. Iraq was made to pay a price for this.

Paul H.,Its not ab... (Below threshold)
jpm100:

Paul H.,

Its not about Jamil. You know that. You can stop using him to deflect from the fact AP generates stories on single source phone calls from God know who. Some of which have been proven false. Which draws questions on the rest.

Seaberry, Clinton did pu... (Below threshold)

Seaberry, Clinton did punish Iraq with missile attacks after this assassination scheme by Saddam was made public. Iraq was made to pay a price for this.

That was 1993...Saddam slapped Clinton around for about 8 more years after that. BTW, Saddam is dead now.

Try finding a mention of... (Below threshold)
mantis:

Try finding a mention of al Qaeda or Osama in it


II. Implementing the Strategy
Combating Terrorism

...When terrorism occurs, despite our best efforts, we can neither forget the crime nor ever give up on bringing its perpetrators to justice. We make no concessions to terrorists. Since 1993, a dozen terrorist fugitives have been apprehended overseas and rendered, formally or informally, to the United States to answer for their crimes. These include the perpetrators of the World Trade Center bombing, the attack outside CIA headquarters, and an attack on a Pan Am flight more than 18 years ago. In 1998, the U.S. Armed Forces carried out strikes against a chemical weapons target and an active terrorist base operated by Usama bin Ladin, whose terror network had carried out bombings of American embassies in Nairobi and Dar es Salaam and planned still other attacks against Americans. We will likewise pursue the criminals responsible for the attack on the USS Cole in Yemen....

III. Integrated Regional Approaches
South Asia

...Afghanistan remains a serious threat to U.S. worldwide interests because of the Taliban's continued sheltering of international terrorists and its increasing export of illicit drugs. Afghanistan remains the primary safehaven for terrorists threatening the United States, including Usama bin Ladin. The United Nations and the United States have levied sanctions against the Taliban for harboring Usama bin Ladin and other terrorists, and will continue to pressure the Taliban until it complies with international requests to bring bin Ladin to justice. The United States remains concerned about those countries, including Pakistan, that support the Taliban and allow it to continue to harbor such radical elements. We are engaged in energetic diplomatic efforts, including through the United Nations and with Russia and other concerned countries, to address these concerns on an urgent basis.

Promoting Democracy and Human Rights
Respect for human rights also requires rejection of terrorism. If the nations in the region are to safeguard their own citizens from the threat of terror, they cannot tolerate acts of indiscriminate violence against civilians, nor can they offer refuge to those who commit such acts. We will continue to enforce UNSC sanctions against the Taliban for harboring terrorists such as Usama bin Ladin and look for other ways to pressure the Taliban to end its support for such groups.

Dumbass.

mantis,I said I ha... (Below threshold)

mantis,

I said I had found one mention...it was Osama, and you found two more. Nothing on al Qaeda? Did you notice how many times Saddam and Iraq were mentioned? Saddam was the main threat, and the reports mentions him over and over and over again. Not quite the way Clinton and Clarke and MSM reported it later, huh. A site like this new MediaMythBusters can store all those lies in one spot...handy, huh.

Hoonson:Many r... (Below threshold)
marc:

Hoonson:

Many reporters have already lost their lives in their quest to report this war because of the great danger and bloggers with little credibility like the shadowy "Curt" figure need to grow up and start acting like the adult journalists who are real professionals who actually earn a salary to report and not just some kid who opens up a free Google "blogger" account and writes sensationalistic stuff to drive foot traffic to their small-time blog site.

The same can be said for people that get a free blog handed to them and have ZERO clue what Fair Use policy is.

Even more troubling is the way they can be sensationalisticly wrong in a sad attempt to "drive foot traffic to their small-time blog site."

Hey brian, "or a cop... (Below threshold)
jhow66:

Hey brian,
"or a copy of the vote count in the last 2 prez elections". snort snicker

BTW Hooson, (or is that a p... (Below threshold)
marc:

BTW Hooson, (or is that a pseudonym, got no proof it isn't) can't you get basic facts correct?

You've spent the better part of this thread railing on about "Curt" at Flopping Aces and how he along with many others can get "a free Google "blogger" account.

Sorry (not really) to say you look to be a fool. Flopping Aces blog is produced by Movable Type Version 3.33.

And despite all the words you have expended I have yet to see proof "Curt" isn't his treal name.

Got any?

Seaberry wrote:... (Below threshold)
BC:

Seaberry wrote:

That was 1993...Saddam slapped Clinton around for about 8 more years after that. BTW, Saddam is dead now.

Saddam "slapped Clinton around" you say? Not exactly -- go see this and this.

This is yet another example of how poorly informed people in this country are becoming despite 24/7 news channels and wide access to the Internet. In some respects, you can look at "The News" as being diluted and victimized by spam -- the "spam" in this case being worthless commentary and filler material by the mainstream corporate media, and rumor mongering, crackpot theorizing, and general overall nonsense spread by the right wing media, especially the blogosphere. This "Media Mythbusters" represents nothing more than a further dilution in the distribution of real news and accurate information.

-BC

If this Wiki is truly to be... (Below threshold)
jim:

If this Wiki is truly to be about mythbusting, I look forward to reading articles on Sandy Berger; Iran-Contra; the mysterious original creator of the phrase "voodoo economics"; the Abramoff scandal; the PDB entitled "Bin Laden Determined to Attack US"; the actions the Bush administration took to combat domestic terrorism in the 9 months before 9/11...that'll do for a start.

I suspect that this "mythbusters" wiki is more about creating an alternate universe, rather than reflecting this existing one; but I'll be very happy to be surprised.

I followed this story until... (Below threshold)
ChrisO:

I followed this story until it became clear that a lot of the story was hype promoted by Malkin and others. I saw no reason to keep going to Malkin's blog to read her fever dreams. Lori said Hussein was using a "pseudonym" (and compounded her idiocy by lecturing me on what a pseudonym is.) So Lori, are you telling me that Jamil Hussein was just a pseudonym for Jamal Hussein? Wow, no one would ever gess his secret identity. Having his first name mispelled Jamil instead of Jamal is hardly a "pseudonym," especially since names that are originally written in a foreign language are often approximated when translated to English. I think you better stick to posts that are mostly comprised of links to other people's writing. When you venture out on your own it's clear that you're way over your head.

Malkin declared flatly that Hussein not only didn't exist, but that the fact that he didn't exist was proof positive that nothing the AP reports about Iraq could be trusted.

What was most mind boggling about this was the fact that Malkin and others seemed to think the AP was practicing bad journalism by running stories that didn't emanate from official government spokespersons. Will she and others hold the press to the same standards when the Dems run the White House and Congress? Will they insist that the only stories the press should run should come from the government?

And to marc and Robin Roberts the fact that I didn't follow every hysterical report from curt and Malkin doesn't mean it's impossible to look at the record and see who got it right. I notive neither of you offered any kind of factual rebuttal, which is so typical of the commenters here.

Face it, this was hugely embarrassing for the right wing blogosphere, which is in a constant fever to uncover another "Rathergate." This eagerness to report every rumor and speculation is one of the reasons why people like Malkin and Curt will never be mistaken for real journalists.

BC wrote:Saddam... (Below threshold)

BC wrote:

Saddam "slapped Clinton around" you say? Not exactly -- go see this and this.

Your links prove my point, that Saddam treated Clinton as his personal 'Prison Punk'.

Saddam had been placed on 'Probation' by both the UN and US. He violated the 'Terms' of his 'Probation' so often, that the UN kept writing new 'Terms'. He ignored UN resolution after UN resolution. He fired at our planes in the "No-Fly Zone War" year after year. Besides lots of 'Saber-Rattling', lots of talk, and some cruise missles Clinton did nothing.

Saddam wasn't the only Terrorist that slapped Clinton around. Osama, al Qaeda, and the Taliban also took their turns. Again, Clinton did little besides lots of 'Saber-Rattling', lots of talk, and sending some cruise missles.

Saddam also harbored terrorists, committed acts of terrorism, and supported terrorists and terrorism. Even though most everyone knows this, these and the above events sudenly 'Disappeared, from the 'memory' of MSM and previous Dem rhetoric, when Bush "43" took Office and warned Saddam to cooperate or face the consequences. That type of 'memory' lapse is exactly why a site like MediaMythbusters is needed.


"To: all Lefties, Trolls, ... (Below threshold)
Les Nessman:

"To: all Lefties, Trolls, etc..

Please supply a link to

-A picture of Jamil Hussein
or
-A video of Jamil Hussein
or
-An audio recording of Jamil Hussein
or
-an article with confirmed (by someone other than an Iraqi or AP employee) quotes from Jamil Hussein after this hoax blew up.

otherwise STFU. "


So, no Lefty trolls are able to produce any of the links I asked for? Not surprising. (And to think, this is just to establish that the one and only Jamil Hussein actually exists; then they still have to prove that his stories were true. )

Face it, the AP was burned by this series of lies from 'jamil hussein'. Anyone honestly looking at this from a historical perspective has to admit it.


So, Les Nessman: why is tha... (Below threshold)
jim:

So, Les Nessman: why is that Michelle Malkin has admitted that Jamal/Jamil Hussein exists, and has apologized for saying he did not?

Surely she's not a lefty troll?

Here he is admitting tha... (Below threshold)
Brian:

Here he is admitting that he refused to take Osama in 1996...

And here's the Bush admin admitting that they refuse to take Osama in 2007. Take that!

Brian,Not even clo... (Below threshold)

Brian,

Not even close. The Sudan offered Osama, offered "to arrest bin Laden and hand him over to U.S law enforcement at a time and place of the Clinton administration's choosing."

Again, here's Clinton in 2002, on TAPE, trying to explain why he refused to take Osama. Perhaps Clinton had never heard of CIA secret prisons or GITMO, or he figured that Osama had rights under our Constitution.

Hey, Seaberry - how many th... (Below threshold)
jim:

Hey, Seaberry - how many thousands of US civilians had Osama murdered when Clinton was President?

And how many thousands had Osama murdered, when Bush had troops within reach, outsourced the problem, and then later said "I really don't think about him much."

More for MediaMythBusters -... (Below threshold)

More for MediaMythBusters - Who first blew Plame's "covert" status?

Valerie Plame Wilson 1

Valerie Plame Wilson 2

The second time is too funny to wait for y'all to read:

"...in a second compromise...a more recent inadvertent disclosure resulted in references to Mrs. Plame in confidential documents sent by the CIA to the U.S. Interests Section of the Swiss Embassy in Havana."

Apparently the CIA forgot that the Embassies in Cuba hire Cubans to clean, cook, for secretarial duties, etc.

GREAT! My earlier po... (Below threshold)

GREAT! My earlier post finally showed up...#33. Had too many links in it (SIX - sorry libs, but they are ones you need to see), and was probably held back until now.




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