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On the Sudden Urgency to Leave Iraq

A reader sent a link to this story, excerpt follows:

WASHINGTON: The top commanders in Iraq and the American ambassador to Baghdad used video links with Washington on Thursday to appeal for more time, both to allow for success on the ground, and to more fully assess if the new strategy is making gains.

But their appeals, in a trio of video sessions to Capitol Hill and the Pentagon, were met with stern rebukes from lawmakers from both parties.

Senior Republicans and Democrats told the generals and the ambassador that time is running out, both for Prime Minister Nuri Kamal al-Maliki to reach accommodation with warring religious factions inside the country and for what remains of Congressional support for the heightened troop levels that President Bush ordered in January.

"There's got to be some real evidence that action's taking place there and everything you can do to convey to Mr. Maliki and his executive committee, to the other players in the region, that the American people's patience is running out," Senator George V. Voinovich, Republican of Ohio, said to the television image of Ambassador Ryan C. Crocker.

The reader then went on to offer his opinion:
This has truly gotten insane. They have this "teleconference" not only open to a public gallery, but televised. Why don't they just send a nice big fruit basket to Al Qaeda with a note saying "Remember Vietnam? Deja Vu, Baby! We're truckin' outta here". They are actively pushing for defeat when things are starting to really improve! I think the big push to get out is a result of the early success of the surge (1 month old), they see it starting to work and are scared to death that we might actually create a stable Iraq. That would be the death knell for Harry "Piglet" Reid. I'm pissed.
I agree that the sudden rush to get out of Iraq seems to be tied to news that the surge is yielding some results. Otherwise why would Dems and squishy Republicans not wait the two months until the September report date and actually give the surge time to work or fail? The reader later sent the following Jack Handey "Deep Thoughts" saying he could imagine hearing Harry Reid (or most of the Democrats) saying them:
To me, truth is not some vague, foggy notion. Truth is real. And, at the same time, unreal. Fiction and fact and everything in between, plus some things I can't remember, all rolled into one big "thing". This is truth, to me.

It makes me mad when people say I turned and ran like a scared rabbit. Maybe it was like an angry rabbit, who was running to go fight in another fight, away from the first fight.

If you define cowardice as running away at the first sign of danger, screaming and tripping and begging for mercy, then yes, Mister Brave Man, I guess I am a coward.
Jack Handey? I thought those were Harry Reid quotes.


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First, there was an earlier... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:

First, there was an earlier conference behind closed doors if I am not mistaken where the more sensitive issues were discussed.

"Otherwise why would Dems and squishy Republicans not wait the two months until the September report date and actually give the surge time to work or fail?"

Good question, because they know the Iraqi government will not meet the benchmarks by Sept. Even Gen. P said there is no military solution to Iraq. The government is in deadlock and are taking the August off that leaves Sept.

Even the Ambassador started distancing himself from benchmarks like they no longer matter and the Gens. are now saying to wait until Nov.

The Democrats have decided ... (Below threshold)
_Mike_:

The Democrats have decided that if they're going to use Iraq as a political tool that they're going to need a media 'surge' to help insure failure.

I consider the Democrats baseless urgency to be a inversely related to whether things in Iraq are improving. That is, the more urgent Democrats are about surrender the better things must be going... because success in Iraq is a political disaster for the Democrats.

Two questions ...W... (Below threshold)
bill-tb:

Two questions ...

What's the hurry?

What's next?

Did victory ever cross these idiots mind? I lied, three questions LOL.

Got one word for the Democr... (Below threshold)
jhow66:

Got one word for the Democrats and spineless Rep.--COWARDS.

the recent and DRAMATIC suc... (Below threshold)
Justrand:

the recent and DRAMATIC success of our military, the Iraqi security forces, and the alignment of tribal leaders AGAINST alQueda is the ONLY reason for the "rush to retreat" by the Democrats.

But since they now cannot stop our military BEFORE Petraus comes back in September, they need to find a way to kill his message in advance. Which is the OTHER thread up today! :)

It's also interesting to no... (Below threshold)

It's also interesting to note that only 30 Senators showed up for the briefing, Sens Obama and Clinton couldn't be bothered, nor Sen Reid.

Too bad we couldn't have quorum call on the briefing.

Did anyone notice if Voinov... (Below threshold)
ODA315:

Did anyone notice if Voinovich started bawling?

Patreus did way there is no... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

Patreus did way there is no military solution. But BG failed to put it in context. He did say we need to provide security to Iraq while the Iraq Government works out things politically. BG, how about some honest complete debate for once.

The demo's are cowards and the republicans getting wobbly are only thinking of the next election.

If we lost, who won? Libs only. ww

"He did say we need to prov... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:

"He did say we need to provide security to Iraq while the Iraq Government works out things politically. BG, how about some honest complete debate for once."

Fine!

We have been providing security for over four years with the last six month as part of the surge, and what has the Iraqi government accomplished except agree to take the month of Aug off?

Hey BG: Read the news much... (Below threshold)
iurockhead:

Hey BG: Read the news much? Although not a huge breakthrough, there has been political progress in Iraq. The Sunnis are coming back to the table, and have lifted the boycott of parliament, which means there can finally be some real cooperation and potentially unification of the Shia and Sunnis in working toward a stable government. That in addition to the Sunni AND Shia tribal and militia leaders starting to work against Al Qaida, and things are looking darned positive. Thus the "surge" by the Dems and MSM, things might go horribly wrong (for them) and Iraq might just work out. Sorry, Harry. See:
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=2007-07-19_D8QFM9Q83&show_article=1&cat=breaking

Here is the answer for you ... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

Here is the answer for you Barney if you care about the truth. Liberals are invested in American defeat.

Now here is An American vision for Iraq
Since you are only interested in defeat and a spin-artist who specialized in cut-and-paste out-of-context without links to original source, here is the explanation for you. We have been trying an 80% solution for the Iraqui to work out their difference. Since it didn't work out to our expectation, so we changed course. The Iraqui can take August off. It is much better than the liberals and their leaders in Congress who have been working to aid the AlQ terrorists. The dem congress should take the month of August off instead of making it easier for the terrorists and their sympathizers (defeating the John Doe measure, delaying funding for the troops in the field, demanding withdrawal, providing propaganda for the enemy etc...)

Look, Barney knows what Pet... (Below threshold)

Look, Barney knows what Petraeus said. He just can't bring himself to put it in context because it would run counter to the rest of his rhetoric. Anyone with an ounce of common sense would see how ridiculous it would be for a General to call for more military personnel and implement a military strategy designed to increase the chances of success in a war and then declare unequivocally that there is no military solution.

What Petraeus said has been quoted in its full context here and a thousand other places. If some are too lazy or dishonest to look it up and get it right, then there's no sense in arguing with them.

Lovie, so may distortions i... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:

Lovie, so may distortions in one post. What Krauthammer is saying is that Bush policy is failing and a new course is needed, and the best we can hope for in Iraq is to heavily arm the Sunni to create a stalemate with the Shia.

That does not sound like what he has been saying for the last four years.

Congress will recess for much of August, but we are not in the middle of a civil war.

It is stupid to give blanket liability protection to anyone. There is too much of an opportunity for abuse, and goes against our most basic civil liberty of habeas corpus, but then again conservatives don't care much about the constitution.

The other stuff is just plan BS talking points. Are you saying the pentagon is providing propaganda to enemy because they have conducted hundreds of war games on the withdrawal or US troop, or SoD Gates is an enemy of the state because he said debate in congress was a good thing and sent a strong message to the Iraqis that our commitment is not indefinite?

The elected government in I... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

The elected government in Iraq has been in power less then one year. Come on BG, I said honest debate. ww

Barney, habeus corpus</i... (Below threshold)
Robin Roberts:

Barney, habeus corpus

Barney, habeus corpus</i... (Below threshold)

Barney, habeus corpus has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not someone can be sued for making a report of suspicious activity to police. So your comment is literally incoherent and no one can figure out what you think you are saying.

"What Krauthammer is say... (Below threshold)

"What Krauthammer is saying is that Bush policy is failing and a new course is needed, and the best we can hope for in Iraq is to heavily arm the Sunni to create a stalemate with the Shia."

Wow, talk about distortions. Barney is trying to portray Krauthammer as defecting to the dark side.

Krauthammer is not talking about a failed Bush policy and how a new course is needed. He's talking about what is already happening.

Barney is simply a spin art... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

Barney is simply a spin artist. What we have been doing is so common sense? First we give the Shiite and Kurdish majority to work it out their differences with the Sunni. Since the liberals didn't want to give that process a chance to work and keep providing propaganda support to AlQ in Iraq, so our military simply changes the plan to take care of AlQ. I think we are doing pretty given that the whole dem party is invested in defeat for America.

Barney simply cannot be honest. Pentagon conduct war games on all kinds of scenarios, but we keep it secret and we have various plans to react to the enemies with the purpose to win. The liberals are only rooting for defeat.
What is the liberals' plan for Iraq? Leave it to AlQ so that they can terrorize the population by evil tactics like cooking the children to feed the parents.

From Wiki:In commo... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:

From Wiki:

In common law, habeas corpus (/ˈheɪbiəs ˈkɔɹpəs/) (Latin: [We command that] you have the body) is the name of a legal action or writ through which a person can seek relief from unlawful detention of himself or another person. The writ of habeas corpus has historically been an important instrument for the safeguarding of individual freedom against arbitrary state action.

How does a person defend himself against an acquisition from someone that has been granted immunity? The accusation was made to the federal government. If you can not confront your accuser you can not get get relief.

Barney, you are no less con... (Below threshold)

Barney, you are no less confused.

Immunity from suit for the report does not mean that a criminal defendant cannot cross examine a witness in court. None of this has anything to do with habeus corpus which is solely a hearing to make the government justify why someone is being held. It has nothing to do with whether or not a private person made a report to law enforcement.

There is no constitutional right at all implicated in the John Doe amendment. No one has a constitutional right per se to sue other people on any particular cause of action based on the constitution itself alone. ( The exception, Bivens was in fact at issue in the Wilson/Plame suit ).

I find more than a little hilarious that you accuse the conservatives of not caring about the Constitution when you have no clue what the Constitution protects.

RR, habeas corpus address r... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:

RR, habeas corpus address relief as well as wrongful convictions. If someone maliciously accuses someone of a crime they did not commit how can they recover their legal and court costs plus lost earnings due months or years of court hearings to clear there name?

If the accuser is granted immunity the victim has no course for relief.

No, Barney, habeus corpus d... (Below threshold)

No, Barney, habeus corpus does not address "relief" in terms of civil damages for a person making a report to law enforcement. Habeus corpus as a "writ", or form of action, just asks the court for someone to be released. You do not know what you are taking about.

Could the democrats be in a... (Below threshold)
scrapiron Author Profile Page:

Could the democrats be in a tizzy about Iraq because North Korea is close to becoming a 'Non Nuclear' nation due to the tactics used by George W Bush? It is rumored that Iran is also wanting to talk about they're nuclear program. One by one the doom and gloom of the democrat party is being shot to he**. If a couple more truths come out even the deniers and crazies will have to accept that the Bush administration is effective is so many ways. Protecting America is nunber one.

RR, the "writ" is the base ... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:

RR, the "writ" is the base of our most precious constitutional rights. To put any person or government above the rule of law is anti-American. Civil actions are based on that fundamental right.

The John Doe amendment would give any wacko the freedom to accuse anyone else without the threat of civil action as a recourse.

Do you think that we should give blanket immunity to everyone without regards to malicious actions?

Do you think that we should... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

Do you think that we should give blanket immunity to everyone without regards to malicious actions?
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Yes, we should give people blanket protection to report suspicious terrorist activities. In the worse case, the accused will have to endure some inconvenience like being investigated by the police or delayed in their flights. We all have to put up with extra time at the airports due to security measures.

So you would rather have another 9/11 or worse to give the terrorists and their sympathizers the maximum protection of the law?

Barney is simply a spin... (Below threshold)
marc:

Barney is simply a spin artist.

Not even close. You can't be a spin artist without understanding the basic facts, in context, of whatever you are attempting to spin.

Artistic Buffoon is closer to a apt description.

SEN. HARRY REID (D-NV): "Listen To The Generals." (Sen. Harry Reid, Remarks At The National Press Club, Washington, D.C., 01/19/07)

SEN. HARRY REID (D-NV): "If The President Won't Listen To Generals, he won't listen to the American people, who have spoken for a new direction, then perhaps he will listen to us, Congress, when we send him a supplemental bill that acknowledges reality in Iraq ." (CNN's "Lou Dobbs Tonight," 03/26/07)

SEN. HARRY REID (D-NV) "I have high regard for General Petraeus. When I was in Iraq, he was responsible for training the Iraqi troops. He told us it was going great. As we've looked back, it didn't go so well," Reid said.

Sen Harry Reid purposeful liar, along with WAY TOO MANY others, for purely partisan reasons. This is what was actually said...

Iraq's 135,000-strong police force continues to be plagued with problems, U.S. commanders say. Up to 70% of Iraqi police leaders have been replaced because they had ties to sectarian violence, Petraeus says.

marc, YOu are right... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

marc,
YOu are right. I stand corrected. Your description of Barney is probably more accurate.

Has barney-rubble become th... (Below threshold)
jhow66:

Has barney-rubble become the new lee lee wardie? Sounds more like him with each comment. (pssst barney, don't start calling everyone a liar). Poor old lefties just cannot stand sucess in anything. (just look at the party in "power"-what sucess?)

Sorry, but you confused me ... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:

Sorry, but you confused me with someone else. I rarely call anyone a liar. As far as Petraeus, didn't he want about 50K troops for his surge plan which Bush rejected?

Did Bush listen? Doesn't sound like it.

As far as Petraeus, didn't ... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

As far as Petraeus, didn't he want about 50K troops for his surge plan which Bush rejected?

Did Bush listen? Doesn't sound like it.
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At least Bush gave him more troops. The democrats on the other hand want to reduce the troops and undermine him. The left even went so far to viciously attack him. So we should be honest enough to admit that the liberals don't support the military and their commanders on the ground. Harry Reid was lying wrt "listening the generals".

barneyGRUBBLE:... (Below threshold)
marc:

barneyGRUBBLE:

didn't he want about 50K troops for his surge plan which Bush rejected? Did Bush listen? Doesn't sound like it.

First you ask a question that seems to indicate you don't know THEN promptly accuse Bush of not listening.

That's a pretty shaky platform you're standing on.

All quotes from Barney -</p... (Below threshold)

All quotes from Barney -

"RR, the "writ" is the base of our most precious constitutional rights."

That must be why the Constitution lets Congress suspend the writ when it chooses. ( * rolls eyes * ). Your statement makes no sense. Quit copying things from Wikipedia that you don't understand. It isn't making your comments coherent.

"To put any person or government above the rule of law is anti-American."

We immunize people from the consequences of speech all the time. The first amendment case of New York v. Sullivan being a prime example. There are immunities for people reporting certain kinds of crimes already such as health care workers and child abuse. This statement makes no sense.


"Civil actions are based on that fundamental right."

No, ordinary lawsuits for negligence or defamation have nothing to do with the common law writ of habeus corpus and never have. Period. Another of your comments that makes no sense. It was likely saying that you don't like the color of the sky because it tastes funny.

"The John Doe amendment would give any wacko the freedom to accuse anyone else without the threat of civil action as a recourse."

Not actually true, but truth has nothing to do with your wild and baseless opinions in this matter.

"Do you think that we should give blanket immunity to everyone without regards to malicious actions?"

Strawman logical fallacy here, as the John Doe amendment does not do this.

I took a stab at the "What'... (Below threshold)
km:

I took a stab at the "What's the hurry?" question here.




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