Maybe the lefties have figured out that they'd have a really tough time pinning the disaster on Bush. Since they don't want the blame falling in their laps, they're backing off.

Telling.... very telling.

4 hours and not a single of our "favorite" troll apologists can be found.

Where fore art thou barney, Lee, Brian, Hoosan, Hamilton

He he They are too "busy" talking to themselves over at the "blue" site. LOL

You might be right "66", I noticed one post authored by Lee a while ago with one comment.... by Lee.

And I should have added:

What is that they say about the first sign of insanity, talking to oneself?

"He saw Sunday's Chris Matthews' show on which the liberally slanted media panel is now arguing that we should keep our troops in Iraq because pulling out would be catastrophic."

Reading the article you linked to, Kim, it looks to me as if the discussion was regarding the ramifications of leaving quickly versus an orderly withdrawal, and a discussion about what to expect following the withdrawal -- but I didn't see any of the panelists "arguing that we should keep our troops in Iraq because pulling out would be catastrophic".

Just because they are discussing what will happen when we pull out, that doesn't mean that they are against pulling out.

The rest are probably over at DU or Kos, desperately searching for their talking points.

Actually, Lyin' Leeward, few people are against pulling out. Even I support a pullout--when the Iraqi people can defend themselves against the terrorists and neighboring nations like Iran and Syria.

It's the lefties that want to pull out before then.

Thus, one could say that the lefties want us to "leave quickly," and conservatives want "an orderly withdrawal," in your own terms.

By the way, I see you snuck into another thread without providing me with the proof or retraction I requested quite some time ago. Did it slip your mind, Lyin' Leeward?

Very impressive. Maybe the utter cynicism of the New York Times article last week actually pricked a few consciences.

I take this the same way Columbus's sailors took the sight of a bird. Is there relief in the offing? Let us pray.
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I've noticed over the past few weeks that the media has started to argue against pulling out of Iraq; I believe it is because they believe a Democrat is going to win next year and the MSM is laying the ground work for why we aren't leaving though both Hillary and Obama have promised to go as soon as elected.

We are going to be in Iraq for a while. I marvel at how those people who question Bush's credibility on Iraq give Hillary a pass and don't realize if we leave we will prove to the world OBL was right and that we can not be trusted. The fact is that from the Bay of Pigs until now, American has had a poor record of finishing what it starts.

I don't think we give Pres. Bush enough credit for trying to keep his word, as well as try to undo the foreign policy bluders of the previous three administrations.

Pam:

I don't think we give Pres. Bush enough credit for trying to keep his word, as well as try to undo the foreign policy bluders of the previous three administrations.

Here... here... bravo!

Ready to assume Condolezza's job?

Condi, heck.

Pam for Pres!

Hmmm...maybe Rove has finally mastered this.

You think that's wierd, you wanna see something really scary? A War We Just Might Win. An editorial with that headline. At the New York Freakin' Times.

Slap me.

I'm stunned, too, Rickbert. Again, I can't help but think this is a reaction to the horrifying article a week or so ago, seeming to accept a disaster there after we left.
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GLenn Reynolds notes a NYT story today that is shockingly positive, as well. I think that perhaps some of the Dem's quotes to the effect of "we're going to pull out regardless of the consequences, even though we think there will be ethnic cleansing, too bad so sad" might have crossed a line they're scurrying to get back over.

Even I support a pullout--when the Iraqi people can defend themselves against the terrorists and neighboring nations like Iran and Syria.

It's the lefties that want to pull out before then.

Wrong.

"From what you have seen or heard about the situation in Iraq, what should the United States do now? Should the U.S. increase the number of U.S. troops in Iraq, keep the same number of U.S. troops in Iraq as there are now, decrease the number of U.S. troops in Iraq, or remove all its troops from Iraq?"

| Increase | Same | Decrease | Remove All | Unsure
% % % % %
7/20-22/07 | 12 | 15 | 30 | 36 | 7

"Do you think the United States should keep its military forces in Iraq until civil order is restored there, even if that means continued U.S. military casualties; or do you think the United States should withdraw its military forces from Iraq in order to avoid further U.S. military casualties, even if that means civil order is not restored there?"

|Keep Forces | Withdraw Forces | Unsure
% % %
7/18-21/07 | 39 | 59 | 3

http://www.pollingreport.com/iraq.htm

The NYTs the most fruadelent news rag ever if not there are more

Curiouser and curiouser. Now there's an article in the Washington Post where House Majority Whip Clyburn is worried that a "Positive Report by Petraeus Could Split House Democrats on War".