Wanna hear something ironic?

The following text was inserted as an amendment to a Senate bill:

SEC. __. SENSE OF SENATE ON THE DETAINEES AT GUANTANAMO BAY, CUBA.

(a) Findings.--The Senate makes the following findings:

(1) During the War on Terror, senior members of al Qaeda have been captured by the United States military and intelligence personnel and their allies.

(2) Many such senior members of al Qaeda have since been transferred to the detention facility at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.

(3) These senior al Qaeda members detained at Guantanamo Bay include Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, who was the mastermind behind the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001, which killed approximately 3,000 innocent people.

(4) These senior al Qaeda members detained at Guantanamo Bay also include Majid Khan, who was tasked to develop plans to poison water reservoirs inside the United States, was responsible for conducting a study on the feasibility of a potential gas station bombing campaign inside the United States, and was integral in recommending Iyman Farris, who plotted to destroy the Brooklyn Bridge, to be an operative for al Qaeda inside the United States.

(5) These senior al Qaeda members detained at Guantanamo Bay also include Abd al-Rahim al-Nashiri, who was an al Qaeda operations chief for the Arabian Peninsula and who, at the request of Osama bin Laden, orchestrated the attack on the U.S.S. Cole, which killed 17 United States sailors.

(6) These senior al Qaeda members detained at Guantanamo Bay also include Ahmed Khalfan Ghailani, who played a major role in the East African Embassy Bombings, which killed more than 250 people.

(7) The Department of Defense has estimated that of the approximately 415 detainees who have been released or transferred from the detention facility at Guantanamo Bay, at least 29 have subsequently taken up arms against the United States and its allies.

(8) Osama bin Laden, the leader of al Qaeda, said in his 1998 fatwa against the United States, that ``[t]he ruling to kill the Americans and their allies--civilians and military--is an individual duty for every Muslim who can do it in any country in which it is possible to do it''.

(9) In the same fatwa, bin Laden said, ``[w]e--with God's help--call on every Muslim who believes in God and wishes to be rewarded to comply with God's order to kill the Americans and plunder their money wherever and whenever they find it''.

(10) It is safer for American citizens if captured members of al Qaeda and other terrorist organizations are not housed on American soil where they could more easily carry out their mission to kill innocent civilians.

(b) Sense of Senate.--It is the sense of the Senate that detainees housed at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, including senior members of al Qaeda, should not be released into American society, nor should they be transferred stateside into facilities in American communities and neighborhoods.

The Senate agreed to this amendment by a vote of 94-3

And, it gets better.

Even Senator Tom Harkin (D-IA), who himself has legislation pending in the Senate to close Guantanamo Bay and transfer the inmates to the states voted aye!

More proof that the bloviating from the lefties is just so much hot air.

In any previous era the terrorists at Gitmo would be interrogated vigorously and then lined up in front of a machine gun.

Democrats. Undermining the country since the 60s.

Pass it on. Oh wait, everyone is already figuring it out.

The article can't support the claim that those 30-odd have "taken up arms."

Rather, it says they've engaged in "militant activities," "anti-US propaganda," or "other activities."

Not much meat on that bone for now.

jpe, take it up with the 94 Senators who voted "aye." Including Senators Reid, Clinton, Kerry, Schumer, Feinstein, Boxer... my, my, a lot of hard-core lefties voted "aye," didn't they?

And quit bringing your red herrings in here. You'd think you were a fishmonger.

The "red herring" is a rebuttal of the unfounded claim that detainees have taken up arms against America.

How that is irrelevant is beyond me.

As I said, jpe, take it up with the Senators.

Or are you saying that the Senators are too stupid to know better?

Or perhaps you're saying that they voted aye on something they are ill-informed about?

Face it, jpe, you can't spin your way out of this one.

"militant activities" means what, again? I doubt they are using feather dusters.

"militant activities" means what, again? I doubt they are using feather dusters.

So it's reasonable to conclude that there's a decent chance that some of the 30-odd cited are taking up arms. It's patently silly to claim that all have taken up arms (since some have engaged in propaganda, and some have taken part in mysterious "other activities").

So we're left with maybe a third of that 30, I'd guess. 10 people out of three or four hundred.

If only US prisons had that recidivism rate.

And yet your beloved Dhimmicrat senators voted to keep them in Gitmo.

That's what this is really about, jpe.

Actually, the post derives from the false claim that we know that 30-odd released detainees took up arms against America.

As for the vote: doesn't especially bother me. Votes for the restoration of habeus corpus and a sane foreign policy are much more important than a non-binding resolution of the "puppies and sunshine are good" variety.

Well, if it's that unimportant, why didn't they vote "nay"?

Keep spinning, jpe, the breeze feels good!

jpe:

Actually, the post derives from the false claim that we know that 30-odd released detainees took up arms against America.

While all here are debating this asshat about how many or if any of those released returned to fight again you miss jpe's larger but unstated point.

He firmly believes Commander Gordon is lying. That he gives a member of the U.S. Military no latitude what-so-ever. He's lying in jpe's world.

Excellent point, Marc. Guess I missed the forest for the trees. (I do that sometimes.)

I suggest the democrat congress critters and the lawyers that are getting these murderers released be lined against the same wall the terrorists should have been, but then again these slimey congress/lawyer critters and their families will face the rath of the American people in short order and it's not going to be pretty. It's coming, everyone hide and watch when the revenge takes place. Glad I'm not a registered dhimmi. Nice of them to make a list for future execution.

Question: How do you determine which detainees are terrorists and which ones are innocent? Thoughts? Ideas?

Keep spinning, jpe, the breeze feels good!

Bwhahahahahahahahah....hilarious.

Question: How do you determine which detainees are terrorists and which ones are innocent? Thoughts? Ideas?

Military tribunals. They've already started the job.

Same treatment as in Vietnam, Korea, WWII, WWI, and so on. Even though terrorists are not covered by the Geneva conventions.

Question: How do you determine which detainees are terrorists and which ones are innocent? Thoughts? Ideas?

I think your answer can be found here.

Uh jpe how about you ask the one that they corner again and he put a gernade up his ass and pulled the pin so as not to go back to gitmo again. Better idea-let's turn them over to you so you can help them find a "job".

I love the way the right wing cowards blame the left for everything.

The Republican administration let these clowns out. You aren't, for a second, going to argue that it's Jimmy Carter's or Bill Clinton's fault these detainees were released?

The decision to release these detainees was made by the Republican administration.

""These former detainees successfully lied to US officials, sometimes for over three years," he said. "Common cover stories include going to Afghanistan to buy medicines, to teach the Koran or to find a wife. Many of these stories appear so often, and are subsequently proven false, that we can only conclude that they are part of their terrorist training."

I suppose your going to tell your readers that the "US officials" who were lied to above were Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid - lol - and that Democrats marched into Gitmo and order these detainees to be released?

The circular jerking motion of the right wing blame their mistakes on others is truly amazing...

The decision to release these detainees was made by the Republican administration.

For once, Lyin' Leeward is right.

And it was the wrong decision by Mr. Bush and his advisers.

However, we need to make sure that such a mistake does not occur again. Thus, we need to keep them in Gitmo.

Thanks for supporting the continuing incarceration of these detainees, Lyin' Leeward!

Oh, there's more evidence right there that your accusation that I am a Bush-bot is a lie, Lyin' Leeward. Gonna retract it now?

The decision to release these detainees was made by the Republican administration.

Of course the decision to release was made by the administration officials, but Lee Ward's usual dishonesty arises in that it is the administration's critics who have spent so much time advocating for release, claiming that every claim by the detainees are per se truthful, and working 24/7 in undermining the Guantanamo program for pure political gain.

Lee "The Thief" Ward:

The decision to release these detainees was made by the Republican administration.

So... you're now FOR keeping Gitmo and NOT releasing or moving detainees to Stateside facilities.

Is that correct Lee?

Or, as usual, your just dropping in to lay another "Wisdom Turd" that is basically meaningless and will be forgotten in the next Gitmo related thread?

Or, as usual, your just dropping in to lay another "Wisdom Turd" that is basically meaningless and will be forgotten in the next Gitmo related thread?

Oh, he'll try to forget it.

But I won't. [evil grin]

Bringing them into the states is a completely stupid idea. For one thing, if there's an escape, they're right in the middle of their primary target.

From jpe:
"So it's reasonable to conclude that there's a decent chance that some of the 30-odd cited are taking up arms. It's patently silly to claim that all have taken up arms (since some have engaged in propaganda, and some have taken part in mysterious "other activities").

So we're left with maybe a third of that 30, I'd guess. 10 people out of three or four hundred.

If only US prisons had that recidivism rate."

wow. Talk about rose-colored lenses ... that's a lot of supposing you got going on there. Conversely, I could guess, by your unsubstantiated supposing standards, that an even larger number just haven't been re-captured - it's just as reasonable to conclude that. At the rate that they're dying, it's also reasonable to conclude that some were subsequently killed upon their return to the battlefield.

Ah yes. The recidivism rate for terrorists just HAS to be better than common criminals. What are you smoking, jpe?

Its a good thing we did,nt have these whinny liberals back during thw NURIMBURGH TRIALS they would have demaned that the trials be put off becuase some war crinmals got a bruise while bumping into a wall or manybe a bird pooped on them

Here's a solution--we transfer the gitmo detainees to jpe's house. He can gayly love them.