Lee:

Seriously, Brown as a neocon? I want whatever you're having!

From your link, Lee, called (and I paraphrase) "The Five Reasons Why Bush is More American Than Blair":

He has Bob Shrum in his inner circle. This may suggest other political problems, but indicates his familiarity with the world of American politics. Brown has a network of contacts in the Democratic Party that easily rivals Blair.

Hmmm. I know Bob Shrum managed a recent presidential campaign. Was it Bush's? No: it was the campaign of John Kerry, the legendary American Neo-Con.

/ 'Scuse me while I clean up my blouse after laughing my Aquafina out my nose!

What happened to Lee's comment, which was #1?

Gee, wait a minute. Do you mean to tell me the Brits had no clue as to Brown's feeling's on the matter of terrorism? Say it ain't so! So when do we get to see an American publication announcing, "HOW CAN 'X' MILLION BRITS BE SO DUMB?" on its front cover?

And let Lee Ward go on record as the first one to imply Brown's "poodleness".

I believe you mean "Poodlty". What are you illiterate?

As for Lee's comments, I think it's become policy to delete everything he posts regardless of content.

And as for Brown, naturally he'll be derided for believing this war is important. It's odd, 'how fast you can run away' has apparently become a virtue to many on the left.

Perhaps Brown, like the Brookings guys who wrote the NY Times editorial, is actually bothering to listen to General Petraeus.

I think we're going to see more of this. Even the most vocal "pull-out now" folks have got to be worried that they're gonna end up on the losing side of this debate.

You can't pull out just when things are getting good. Even the far left must realize that "premature evacuation" is never a good thing.

Of COURSE I meant "poodleness". You goose :)

I believe we have our poodle. But it's not the right Brown.

"They are hiding the truth from their readers."

I prefer to think of it as sparing us from your drivel.

Of COURSE I meant "poodleness". You goose :)

Don't knock my "Gooselty"!

Would Beyonce refer to Brown as Poodliscious?

~

Lee:

They are hiding the truth from their readers.

By deleting your comments? Hmmm.

So I assume you all agree with 2 assertions by Brown: 1) that the central front of the fight is in Afghanistan and not Iraq; 2) that terrorism is a "crime." Now we all know Br Bush's views of those two positions, don't we?

I would say that it is more likely that the righties who support Bush are "poodles" and that Brown is a bulldog (credit that the bulldog label to Dana Mil-bank).

dude,

gooseness

JFO continues his hypocritical (less than honest spin).

(1) On terrorism
"Terrorism is not a cause, it is a crime, and it is a crime against humanity. And there should be no safe haven and no hiding place for those who practice terrorist violence or preach terrorist extremism," he said. "This is a battle for which we can give no quarter."

(2) On Iraq, "In Iraq, we have duties to discharge and responsibilities to keep in support of the democratically elected government and in support of the explicit will of the international community, expressed most recently through U.N. resolution 1723," he said. "Our aim, like the United States, is step by step to move control to the Iraqi authorities Â-- to the Iraqi government and to its security forces Â-- as progress is made."
"Our aim, as is the aim of the United States government, is threefold: security for the Iraqi people, political reconciliation, and that the Iraqis have a stake in the future," he said.

If Lefties weren't so stupid, they would know that Tony Blair was a "neo-con" before George Bush was even President.

LAI

Sometimes you're laugable. I say Brown says terrorism is a crime. You say I write hypocritical spin and then you quote Brown saying terrorism is a crime!!! Good grief man, get a grip will ya.

JFO,

I think the entirety of which Brown said it is what's key. Not too many people are going to disagree that it's a crime against humanity.

Are you trying to say it needs to be fought soley on U.S. soil by local police and in our courts?

Oyster:

Goosicity?

LAI:

I forgot this part from the comment above. You omitted this quote from Brown:

"Afghanistan is the front line against terrorism."

Wonder why ya did that?

lee, "The Wizbang thought-nazis are quite busy these days, busily try in to sanitize the comment threads."

lee where the HELL do you get the gall to even say shit like that when you have been deleting comments from wizblue since day ONE!?!?! You are a pathetic piece of shit lee and it is WAY past time that you go the hell away. You contribute zero to this site, and your hypocrisy is of a level not seen before. Truly stunning that you have the balls to make a peep about Kevin and crew and the way they run their site, which is light years ahead of your tiny echo-chamber.

Kevin, Jay, Paul, and the rest of the Wizbang crew, I commend you on the incredible job you have done on this site, especially in dealing with the severely deranged trolls such as lee. You've put up with his garbage for YEARS, you give him a blog, he deletes dissenting views on his blog regularly, bans commenters, and then has the gall to castigate you. I have one question though, how much more of his hypocritical, deranged bullshit are you, and the rest of the wizbang community, to be subjected to?

You are so full of shit lee. I used language that YOU YOURSELF used in the very SAME posts that my comments were deleted from, purposefully no less, to point out your absolute hypocrisy!! You are such a frigging joke! Furthermore, after your "that's one strike" crap, you deleted SEVERAL of my comments that contained no profanities whatsoever.

Finally, where do you get off saying, "when you realize that you are discussing current affairs only with those who the Wizbang thought-Nazis want you to discuss things with."??

By your very own logic, "anyone can see from the Wizbang Blue comment threads that you are lying about us deleting dissenting viewpoints.", you can look around wizbang's comment threads and see a FAR larger conversation of various points of view than you will ever find on wizblue, you know, like more than 4 comments on a post that don't all say the same thing.

Here is how the TRO is presenting the press conference (what he said/what he meant):

BROWN: "Afghanistan is the front line against terrorism."

What he meant: "It's not all about Iraq. If you Americans had caught Osama bin Laden at Tora Bora and continued to hunt al-Qa'eda in Afghanistan and the Pakistani tribal areas instead of invading Iraq with that nincompoop Blair (I must have been out of the room at the time) then we wouldn't be in this mess."

As for Lee's comments, I think it's become policy to delete everything he posts regardless of content.

Typically, when a dog keeps crapping on the carpet, you get rid of the dog.

However, this time the dog was given his own room in which to crap on the carpet and when he craps on the carpet in the other rooms, someone has to get out the 'pooper scooper'.

Oddly, the dog now complains about crap on the being on the carpet while crapping on the carpet.

Want to show how many honest bones you have in your body lee? On May 24th, lee said, "Yes, the administration was dead-serious about border security and the global War on Terror. Bullshit"

This was after my first warning for saying "shit".

My reply was, "Oh now we can say bullshit on your posts lee? Cool, good to know that doesn't break your "standards", which happen to be BULLSHIT." To which lee replied, "consider this your second warning."!!! For typing the same exact word he had just typed himself!! Following that was the deletion of several of my comments containing no profanities whatsoever, and then a flat out banning. Talk about hypocrisy.

You say I write hypocritical spin and then you quote Brown saying terrorism is a crime!!!
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Yes, a crime against humanity and we have to fight against it just like we fight against the fascists and communists. Fair enough. Thanks for agreeing that the liberal dems like Edwards have been clueless or dishonest about the GWOT.

barneyGRUBBLE:

What he meant: "It's not all about Iraq. If you Americans had caught Osama bin Laden at Tora Bora and continued to hunt al-Qa'eda in Afghanistan and the Pakistani tribal areas instead of invading Iraq with that nincompoop Blair (I must have been out of the room at the time) then we wouldn't be in this mess."

So who are you "channeling today? Uri Geller? David Blaine or Criss Angel? Kreskin?

Or are you just making sh*t up and inserting it into Brown's thought process?

Oh... and BTW barneyGRUBBLE...

If you want to really cut to the chase Brown is wrong. The ghost of OBL and his living underlings are in Pakistan and Waziristan is the "front line against terrorism".

Lee "The Thief" Ward:

You're lying D-Hoggs - your profanity is the reason you were banned. You've demonstrated enough of it here to show everyone that's true.

In other words, "do as I say, not as I do."

Can't get a closer definition of a hypocrite than that.

Lee "The Thief" Ward:

His profanity was out of control and over the top, and that's what got him banned.

Then the court of public opinion desires to see exhibits A-Z. Surely you have examples, with direct links, to each comment prior to him getting tossed.

Exactly marc. Once again, lee said, "Yes, the administration was dead-serious about border security and the global War on Terror. Bullshit"

I don't see how I am lying here lee, I just laid it out exactly how it happened, you typed bullshit, I typed, "Oh now we can say bullshit on your posts lee? Cool, good to know that doesn't break your "standards", which happen to be BULLSHIT." to which you responded, "consider this your second warning."

After that, I continued to press the issue of why lee was allowed to use profanities but commenters were not, may 24th 1:08pm, same thread, "lee why is it that you can write "bullshit" and commenters can not? Typical liberal I guess, do as I say, not as I do. What a bunch of bullshit." After this I was banned, assumably that was my "third warning" for typing what lee had just typed. Yes lee, I have a screen shot of the thread because I knew your blatant hypocrisy would rear it's ugly head on this issue. Pathetic. And as I said before, you can look around wizbang comment threads and see that lee is hopelessly lying about wizbang squashing dissenting views. It must really be hard on you lee only getting 4 comments per thread over there that you have to come over here to make shit up.

"His profanity was out of control and over the top, and that's what got him banned."

In other words, the same profanity that lee used. I've posted the quotes for all to see.

Now replace the words "wizbang authors", "they", "Paul", "Jay", "DJ" and "Wizbang" with the word "lee" and you've got real honesty.

Seems to me I've posted the exact quotes leading up the bannings lee, and you can do nothing but foam at the mouth accusing Kevin, Jay, Paul, Lorie and DJ of doing what you do on your pathetic blog.

wee wee wardie from bluie banned me after the 1st post with no potty words used. Can you say HYPOCRITE ( or is that coward?)

Lee "The Thief" Ward:

It's much easier for the Wizbang authors to win arguments when they can just delete the comments of those who disagree with them.

But it seems to happen to you more often than anyone else, now why is that?

Court of public opinion - lol - as if the sanitized, nazi-enforced comment threads of Wizbang could ever be considered a "court" of anything but jesters... lol.

OK, it's a "court" of one, I wanted the proof and last time I looked I didn't have the ability to "sanitize[d]" anything here. (but bet I'd get the privilege before you)

But alas, just as I suspected you allegedly deleted all of D-Hoggs "offensive" comments.

Shocked.... SHOCKED I tell ya.

BTW Lee, have you ever amended your post that contained stolen material from Time Magazine?

Oops, bye Lee.

"Damn 'evil' Wizbangers?"

No surprise there jhow66.

By the way, Lorie, I really do apologize for following lee off the point of the thread, but I just couldn't let his blatant hypocrisy in castigating Wizbang and it's authors stand.

jhow66 writes:

wee wee wardie from bluie banned me after the 1st post with no potty words used. Can you say HYPOCRITE ( or is that coward?)

Bwhahahahahahahah......Lee caught lying AGAIN!!!

LOVE IT!!!!!!!!!!!

I have been offline for the past four hours. I posted this here and crossposted it at Right Wing News where I am helping John Hawkins out today, then I left the computer to attend to house cleaning and keeping my kids from killing each other. I have not deleted anyone's comments on this thread. I could count on one hand the number of comments I have deleted the entire time I have been at Wizbang. It is just not something I do very often.

I decided a while back to ignore Lee for the most part, but sometimes respond to his comments. Someone else at Wizbang must have deleted his comments. I have not checked my email for the past four hours so there may be a note in there telling me who did it. I don't care whether his comments are deleted or not because he has lied about me enough times in comments he has made at Wizbang that I don't think he deserves to enjoy the privilege anymore, but that is not up to me.

Okay; official announcement follows:

Everyone please stop talking about L..., well, you-know-who. His comments have been deleted ('bout time!) and all the comments directed to/at him look kinda silly.

In fact, please ignore him on all other posts in the future, too. Which is what we should have done all along.

End of Official Announcement.

Lee, you are a hypocrite, a liar, and a generally perverse individual. You invariably drag down any thread you bother posting in (case in point), and do not provide anything to any of the discussions save your standard bleeding-martyr, disingenuous tirades which tend to tract-quote, intentionally misinterpret, and flagrantly misrepresent everything that is being written around you. Your grasp of reality is so loose, a semi could be driven between your fingers and it. You, my dear boy, are why moderate conservatives like me hate liberals with a small passion - you do more damage to your "causes" than you could ever imagine, and the very fact that you do not realize this is, in and of itself, indicative of either your monstrous stupidity, your inordinate lack of anything resembling logical capacities, or both. I would be ashamed to be so maliciously ignorant and flagrantly hypocritical as you, but the sad thing is that I am not even sure you know what "ashamed" means. To put it simply, you are a disgrace, and hardly worth the attention, preponderously negative though it may be, you so desperately desire.

As for the topic at hand, I find it remarkably hard to believe that the British people were not aware of Brown's stance on Iraq and the War on Terror before he was elected to his current position. As such, I can only conclude that the highest percentage of British voters (what is the word for that, when it is not necessarily a majority?) support both - after all, they elected his party to lead in the House of Commons.

Funny how that works.

Of course, the liberals, unable to see the 50-ton dragon in the forest through the twigs they are holding up in front of their eyes, will immediately pounce upon him as nothing more than a lap-dog... and I see they already have. You know, for all of the examples of Godwin's Law that liberals provide in just about any thread these days, they sure have taken a few pages from the Nazi handbook of how to demonize and marginalize their enemies...

Lorie, l__ has attacked you time and again in some pretty crappy ways, you've been nothing but professional. Thank you. Les, I agree with you fully, I will do my best to ignore him totally from here on.

"Reposted - because Lorie deleted the last time I posted this." -- Lee Ward

Just to reiterate since my last comment was so long and some may not read it all, I have not deleted anyone's comments today. After posting the Brown item here and at RWN I went offline until about five minutes ago. Sorry, Lee. You are wrong again.

Back to JFO's lunacy:

Browns quote:

"Terrorism is not a cause, it is a crime, and it is a crime against humanity. And there should be no safe haven and no hiding place for those who practice terrorist violence or preach terrorist extremism," he said. "This is a battle for which we can give no quarter."

Obviously it IS a crime JFO, just as bank robbing and mugging.

However, can we assume you believe this "crime" of terrorism should be fought using traditional crime fighters such as the FBI, local police departments and the like?

If so how would you go about giving them the authority to prevent terrorists from having "safe haven[s]" or "hiding" in foreign lands?

"This was several weeks before he was banned, but its typical of his crap."

Several weeks before the "second warning" I spoke of above, so sorry, no dice. Still no explanation as to why commenters on blue can't use the same language as posters.

*Sigh* Ok, I'm going to take alot of heat for this, but jhow66, I saw multiple posts of yours before you were banned. They all just said "snicker snort".

D-Hoggs, I'd imagine Lee took umbrage to the fact that the profanity wasn't on it's own, it was directed squarely at him. It takes on a different connotation that way. Just sayin'.

No one has a right to post, it's the power of the moderators to take the action they see fit, both here and at Blue. Luckily, we have a choice of where to post and don't have to suffer comment deletion.
Myself, I wander next door every once and a while and post, usually in long spurts and then come back here (it's tiring). But to me, debate is like sport.

Before the firing squad lines up, I'm logging off for the night.

Lee "The Thief" Ward:

Here's an example of what D-Hoggs was doing. This was several weeks before he was banned, but its typical of his crap.

Jesus H. Christ in a ferris wheel Lee! Do you have to so blatantly make yourself look like a liar so quick? What did it take, all of 1-15 minutes AFTER you claimed to have deleated D-Hoggs comments?

BTW, I ask again, have you amended the post or received permission from Time Mag, to copy an entire post from them? OR are you still in violation of Copyright law?

marc:

First, I didn't endorse what brown said. I merely quoted what he said in the context of the thread, i.e. w/n he is Bush's poodle. As you well know, many on the right abhor the use of the word crime in the context of terrorism.

With regard to your question in the comment above, I think law enforcement in just one tool to be used in the fight against terrorism. The other tools being whatever resources, military or civilian, that we have and can use. Clear that up for you?

By the way, any response to his position that Afghanistan is the front line against terrorism? That, of course, is the left's position.

As to my "lunacy", well I keep good company then on this site with you wizbang devotess. Perhaps that's why I'm so happy to visit here - my own kind so to speak.

Heralder, I agree with you, but at the same time, the banning took place after he got bent out of shape by me using the same profanity he had just used, then when I pressed him on that fact he got annoyed, presumably by being called out on his hypocrisy, and banned.

Heralder:

*Sigh* Ok, I'm going to take alot of heat for this, but jhow66, I saw multiple posts of yours before you were banned. They all just said "snicker snort".

And this is a surprise?! "our side" has just as many disingenuous buffoons as the other and should get the same treatment.

With regard to your question in the comment above, I think law enforcement in just one tool to be used in the fight against terrorism. The other tools being whatever resources, military or civilian, that we have and can use. Clear that up for you?
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Thanks again for agreeing that the liberal dems like Edwards are really clueless or dishonest about the GWOT.

If you gentlemen would quit feeding the trolls Lee would be forced to sit in the corner and play with himself.

Just about the only thing he is qualified to do.

JFO:

By the way, any response to his position that Afghanistan is the front line against terrorism? That, of course, is the left's position.

Then you're all wrong, Pakistan is, at least for the foreseeable future.

By the way, any response to his position that Afghanistan is the front line against terrorism? That, of course, is the left's position.
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Afghanistan is on the front line just like Iraq is. That 's why we have our military fighting in both countries. Only the left is either so clueless or so dishonest that they think of fighting only in Afghanistan and not in Iraq.

Thanks again for bringing up another example of the left 's dishonesty. Wonder why liberals can swim in the *.

look at what Lorie is saying about deleting comments...

and then watch this one disappear in 3-2-1...

Actually, Lee, I recall another front pager on Wizbang telling you he was deleting your comments, and explaining why.

I used to defend you, on the basis of some rational comments you had made. . . but those are far in the past now.

John that's what you get for climbing in bed with a crazy man.

Jesus LAI, you're showing your laugh-ability again. He didn't say one of the front's or a front, he said THE front. Once again, get a grip.

And stop with the stupid "left's dishonesty" crap will ya. It's pretty juvenile and just plain dumb. If you want to argue dishonesty we can talk about Gonzales, Cheyney, Rice, Rumsfeld, Powell and Bush. So give it it a rest.

Lorie's deletion of comments is something new, just started today.

Comments that don't violate any of the policies in any way... it started out with a comment up at the top of the thread, about Brown and his neocon-osity.

There was nothing wrong with the comment - but she deleted it anyway. Apparently she also feels the need to lie about it as she does it... well, I guess it isn't really surprising, now is it?

Amazing how quickly she slipped from the A-Team to the B-Team. But, as Paul says, be careful the company you keep.

Jesus LAI, you're showing your laugh-ability again. He didn't say one of the front's or a front, he said THE front. Once again, get a grip.
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He also said that he is on the same page with the US wrt Iraq. Or you simply try to cut and paste things out of context again?

Yup, the left is saying that we should have our military fighting in Afghanistan and not in Iraq. It is either clueless or dishonest to say that the Brown is on the same page with the left (unless you are a spinner). Despite all your silly distraction, the anti-war left is unhappy with Brown as pointed out.

Again, your posts just pointed out the cluelessness or the dishonesty of the left (as you brought it up).

LAI

OK OK OK....I give up. You win.

I already stated in two comments above that I have not deleted any comments today. I was not even near a computer when the comments were deleted, but Lee insists on calling me a liar and saying over and over again that I am deleting his comments. I think it will be easy enough to prove that I did not delete anything -- there is an activity log. I am sure that when Lee realizes he has unfairly and inaccurately called me a liar over and over again he will do what he always does and call me a liar again. It is a waste of time and energy, but I will check the activity log (or ask Kevin to check it) to prove Lee wrong -- yet again.

JFO, why don't you just stop with the stupidity. Democrats don't argue, they just slander , falsely accuse with their shameless lies. Here's my impression of a democrat thinking he has won an arguement....Ready....Hear it goes....

KATRINA!

THANK YOU , THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

Lee, you incredible moron, I don't know how you did it, but you worked TWO lies into one accusation.

1) Your comments are not getting deleted. They are getting unpublished. They still exist, just not in any form anyone can read.

2) As I told you a while ago in an e-mail, I have taken it upon myself to do this to your comments because I am tired of your unceasing personal attacks on the authors of the main page. You have your own little playpen now; go foul that one and leave the grownups alone.

Apparently Paul has decided to race me to see who can unpublish you first, but your accusations against Lorie are completely false. For that and twelve zillion other reasons, you owe her an apology. I don't expect it from you, though -- that would require a level of maturity and integrity you have repeatedly demonstrated you lack.

J.

>Apparently Paul has decided to race me to see who can unpublish you first, but your accusations against Lorie are completely false.

Lee this thread proves once and forever what a dumb freaking moron you are.

Lorie is nowhere to be seen... I'M QUOTING COMMENTS THAT GOT UNPUBLISHED (seconds after you post) and you are STILL still too freaking stupid to figure out it was me.

I waved the fact I was doing it in your face and you where too freaking crazy to let the whole Lorie thing go....

Face it Lee, you stupid at best and crazy at worst.

Now apologize to Lorie.

See you on the next thread...

Typical, no apologies from Lee...

Just ban Lee outright, I'm tired of his little snit-fits, and the reactions he causes.

kevin -@- wizbangblog.com

Nothing to apologize for - here's the Wizbangblog.com commenting policy (the part relevant to Lorie).

Each individual author is responsible for monitoring the comments to their posts, and ultimately determines which comments merit deletion.

Lorie is responsible for the deletion of comments in her post threads.

That's the policy. This is your site policy, Paul. Whether she passes off the dirty work to you and Jay, or she clicks the button itself, she's agreeing to the deletion of my comments.

In other words, she's lying when she she isn't responsible.

Of course she will now delete this comment since it counters what she's said, but no surprise there.

Here's a link to the policy - here.

Click it now, Wizbang readers, before Lorie deletes this post...

Amazing. Lie after lie after lie...

Editor's note: Lorie's authority is NOT absolute. As main page editor, I can -- and have -- overruled and superseded the individual authors on occasion when it comes to comments. In this case, I made it known some time ago my intentions towards Lee's comments (both to him and my colleagues). In this case, Paul took it upon himself to carry out my declared intentions while I was detained and unable to do so in a timely manner. I have nothing but gratitude for Paul for his actions. (Well, maybe a little envy, too, but I'll get over that.)

Lorie's authority (or, for that matter, any author's authority) over comments do NOT supersede standing site policies, unless she seeks exemption from them beforehand. In this case, the policy is "Lee's comments get unpublished." Lorie did not ask for any exclusion, and I feel comfortable in saying that she would not under any circumstance do so on Lee's behalf.

To sum up: It is Lorie's RESPONSIBILITY, as a contributing editor, to oversee the comments on her postings. It is my DUTY, as Section Editor, to oversee her fulfilling of her responsibility, and to enforce standing rules. In this particular circumstance, she did NOT exercise her responsibility here (and that is her right entirely, and I respect her choice), but I DID carry out my duty to enforce the policy -- one you have been informed of on several occasions. And Paul assisted me in carrying out that policy.

Jay Tea
Main Page Editor

Paul and I might see you on another thread, Lee, but not likely anyone else.

You have been told repeatedly that you are NOT welcome on this page. You have the Section Editor and a Contributing Editor in perfect lockstep (a near-miraculous occurrence), and while I won't speak for the other Contributing Editors, I would not recommend you turn to them for any sort of defense.

Your contributions do not have zero value. They have a decided, measurable negative value.

You are a boil on the buttocks of the blogosphere, Lee. Go fester somewhere else -- someplace like your own little cesspool over at Blue. Because you will NOT be tolerated on this page any more.

Of course, you can appeal this to the one person in authority higher than me. And he can overrule me on this matter. I sincerely doubt it will happen -- in fact, I would wager my position on it.

Go away, Lee. Go away now.

J.

In other words, she's lying when she she isn't responsible.

She didn't even know I was doing it you moronic idiot.

Geeze you are so brain dead it is amazing you keep breathing when you fall asleep.

"Or are you just making sh*t up and inserting it into Brown's thought process?" marc

marc, if you bothered to read my post you would have notice that I attributed comments to Nation Review Online and not to myself, but then again you did read it.

I guess expecting honesty from you is too much to ask for

Watching this stuff is like watching mud wrestling, except worse.

If you think the way to get a red-blooded American like me to "step into line" is to use these heavy-handed un-American tactics -- you are about sadly mistaken.

That's the funniest thing I've read all day!

Lee, "red blooded Americans" get their asses handed to them everyday...usually at work by a person called the "boss". Sometimes at home by a person called the "spouse". Sometimes in a private moment by a person called a "friend".

And the rest of those "red blooded Americans" who have not access to one of the above, usually get their ass handed to them in public by someone who has long suffered abuse and disrespect, and is rightfully not sensitive when they enforce common rules you so cavalierly disregard.

DAMMIT.

Paul took me up on my comment that he should feel free about unpublishing Lee, and unpublished his last comment that I thoroughly Fisked.

If it was only me I wouldn't bother, and in fact - it's not because of Lorie deleting my comments that I have a problem with the new nazi-like approach to monitoring your comment threads, Jay.

It IS just you, Lee. And as has been repeatedly stated, Lorie is NOT deleting your comments, Paul and I are unpublishing them. And I've always monitored my own threads carefully.

But lately many, many commenters have been banned, and comments made by others have been deleted. Comments which were not in violation of any policy - comments which may have disagreed with the Wizbang author - or presented evidence which countered a point made by a Wizbang author.

Disagreement has never been and never will be grounds for any sort of sanction. Pointless personal attacks, libel, plagiarism, and other serious offenses will be treated accordingly. Note especially the plagiarism, Lee. You've had problems with that before.

You, Lorie, Paul, and I think it's happened on all threads -- have all been deleting comments simply because they presented a viewpoint in which you disagree.

Again, complete and utter bullshit.

If you think the way to get a red-blooded American like me to "step into line" is to use these heavy-handed un-American tactics -- you are about sadly mistaken.

I have never expected you to "step into line." Rather, I have encouraged you to step out of line -- and keep walking.

You can delete this comment now, Lorie.

If she does, it'll be the first. As you've been told numerous times. Paul and I not only don't deny it, we demand credit for unpublishing your twaddle. In fact, I might consider suing you for denying me credit for my efforts.

But I'll still see you on the next thread...

I can't control what you see, but I can do quite a bit about who sees you...

J.

J.

"Amazing. Lie after lie after lie..."

You ought to know lee, your party is one big disgusting lie.

no... that was above... now my comment is gone???

I blame Lorie.

I guess we where both editing at the same time.

barneyGRUBBLE:

marc, if you bothered to read my post you would have notice that I attributed comments to Nation Review Online and not to myself, but then again you did read it... I guess expecting honesty from you is too much to ask for

Huh? Your treading into Lee's dishonest territory GRUBBLE. I quoted and commented this portion of your comment:

What he meant: "It's not all about Iraq. If you Americans had caught Osama bin Laden at Tora Bora and continued to hunt al-Qa'eda in Afghanistan and the Pakistani tribal areas instead of invading Iraq with that nincompoop Blair (I must have been out of the room at the time) then we wouldn't be in this mess."

That's YOU GRUBBLE, not quotes from anywhere else.

Now what were you saying about NOT READING and NOT BEING HONEST?

Welcome to Lee "The Thief" Wards world of dishonestly, spin and flat out lies.

"That's YOU GRUBBLE, not quotes from anywhere else.

Now what were you saying about NOT READING and NOT BEING HONEST?" marc

marc, here is the full posted lifted directly from NRO:

The Brown-Blair Press Conference: What They Really Meant [Iain Murray]
Toby Harnden parses the meaning of the press conference. For example:

BROWN: "Afghanistan is the front line against terrorism."

What he meant: "It's not all about Iraq. If you Americans had caught Osama bin Laden at Tora Bora and continued to hunt al-Qa'eda in Afghanistan and the Pakistani tribal areas instead of invading Iraq with that nincompoop Blair (I must have been out of the room at the time) then we wouldn't be in this mess."

BUSH: "There's no doubt in my mind that Gordon Brown understands that failure in Iraq would be a disaster for the security of our own countries, that failure in Iraq would embolden extremist movements throughout the Middle East, that failure in Iraq would basically say to, you know, people sitting on the fence around the region that al-Qa'eda is powerful enough to drive great countries like Great Britain and America out of Iraq before the mission is done."

What he meant: "Yo Gordon! Stick to the script."

BROWN: "I think I described Afghanistan as the first line in the battle against the Taliban, and of course the Taliban in Afghanistan is what we are dealing with in the provinces for which we've got responsibility, and doing so with some success."

What he meant: "Oops."

Interesting also to see the President continue his small-scale feud with Nick Robinson, Chief Political Correspondent of the BBC (and former President of the Young Conservatives), actually quite a nice guy in my experience. This round goes to the Commander-in-Chief.

You want to admit that you are wrong now?

Ok.

But that does little to mitigate you are, have been and will continue to be WRONG in far more occasions than I.

Notice how Barney didn't post the link for us. Actually, this is not from NRO. It is originall from the Telegraph blog. Toby was actually trying to read into Brown 's mind. I wonder why it is so hard for Barney to post a link.

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/foreign/tobyharnden/jul07/whatbushandbrownreallymeant.htm

http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=ZjM5ZDFhYzUyZTVlODBhNTE2OWIyYmNjYjI0MWQ5ZWM=

It doesn't make much brain to see that Brown is in a tight spot with his party. Just like Lieberman has a problem with the dem party. Given what he said, it is much better than we expected in any case since liberals are invested in the US defeat.

I know Paul was joking above when he blamed me for deleting his comment, but just for the record, I have not deleted (or unpublished) one comment today. In fact, when I saw Lee's comment accusing me of deleting his comments, I specifically asked the other Wizbang bloggers not to delete it so that everyone could witness his stupidity.

And also for the record... I did not weigh in on the most recent comments above because I spent the past few hours in the Urgent Care waiting for my husband's knee to get stitched up.

Marc:

You sound like a 3rd grade girl in the schoolyard. To paraphrase you: nah, nah ,na nah nah, you're wronger than me!! Get a grip man. Just own it if you make a mistake. Oh, I forgot you support Bush.

You sound like a 3rd grade girl in the schoolyard. To paraphrase you: nah, nah ,na nah nah, you're wronger than me!! Get a grip man. Just own it if you make a mistake. Oh, I forgot you support Bush.
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Just more ad-hominen attack from JFO. Then JFO talked about "mud fight". His trademark is hypocrisy. Barney didn't post a link and the post is a cheap cut-and-paste (as usual). And it is not Brown 's actual words. Marc asked a rhetorical question of Barney getting into Brown's mind. It is Tobey and not Barney per se. The way Barney posted it is the usual cheap cut-and-paste. He could have given us the whole link.

And JFO will take every opportunity to behave like a cheap liberal spinner.

There appear to be a couple of different versions of the same article: Here is a portion of one from Canada.com

While Brown said international terrorism was the most important of the "great challenges" facing the world, he veered from the Bush administration's refrain that Iraq is ground zero for conducting the fight.

"Afghanistan is the front line against terrorism," he said. "As we have done twice in the last year, where there are more forces needed to back up the coalition and NATO effort, they have been provided by the United Kingdom."

Again, it doesn't take much brain to see that Brown has to straddle the fence to appease his pro-defeat party. It is much better than we expected from Brown. Lieberman was driven out from the Dem party. So no matter how the liberal media spins, the anti-war (and pro-defeat) left is not happy with Brown for sure.

LAI

Is there any way you'd consider emigrating back where you came from? I might even chip in for the fare on a very slow freighter. Did they teach you to hate there or did you pick it up here?

Is there any way you'd consider emigrating back where you came from? I might even chip in for the fare on a very slow freighter. Did they teach you to hate there or did you pick it up here?
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Actually I learned the meaning of hate by looking at liberals and how they aided the hateful and brutal communists.

JFO simply can't get around his second nature of cheap ad-hominen attack.

JFO's comment is inappropriate.

JFO's comment is inappropriate.

I beg to differ.

JFO is inappropriate.

He's a waste of good bandwidth. He's not even humorous anymore.

JFO:

You sound like a 3rd grade girl in the schoolyard. To paraphrase you: nah, nah ,na nah nah, you're wronger than me!! Get a grip man. Just own it if you make a mistake. Oh, I forgot you support Bush.

Well now, I've been away for a while.

It seems my "mea culpa" was done in error. My first read of the word "nincompoop" in barney's quote VERY OBVIOUSLY wasn't said by a brand new Prime Minister to England and assigned the idiacy to barney when it should have been laid at the feet of Tony Harndon.

"Mea culpa" is hearby rescinded.

Thanks LIA, once again barney is proven to be a disingenuous fool of the first order. (And liar)

JFO, got anything else to say other than your usual nonsense? Nothing to say about your fellow traveler barney being such a lying tool?

Ahhh, the "good" Xtian CCG finally appears with your usual banality. Pray for any liberals today CCG?

Ahhh, the "good" Xtian CCG finally appears with your usual banality. Pray for any liberals today CCG?

Still nothing JFO?

I don't pray... but can I make a wish?

JFO, slightly off topic but related to U.S. troops and their deployment.....

How many U.S. troops should be deployed in support of this operation?

Or would you be against it because it's all about The Oil!

marc

0 US troops. Clear enough?

marc

I feel no need to defend or criticize barney as I have not been commenting with him. If he's out of line, he's out of line. Why all you whzzers feel the need to try and rescue your fellow travelers is beyond me. Us poor lefties are far out numbered here and we do ok on our own. I think it demonsrtaes a lack of spine and confidence for you wizzers. But then maybe not.

JFO:

Is there any way you'd consider emigrating back where you came from? I might even chip in for the fare on a very slow freighter. Did they teach you to hate there or did you pick it up here?

Is being a blithering moron something that comes naturally for you or is it something you actively work at ?

_Mike_

Neither. Sometimes it overcomes when when surrounded by the likes of folks like LAI and other wizzers. When I leave, I return to normal. But don't get excited I'm not leaving permanently.

JFO:

Being a moron comes naturally for me.

Thanks for clearing that up.

JFO:

Neither. Sometimes it overcomes when when surrounded by the likes of folks like LAI and other wizzers. When I leave, I return to normal. But don't get excited I'm not leaving permanently.

Sum 'bitch. You guessed my wish expressed earlier, when are you returning to normal. Soon?

Pray for any liberals today CCG?

Yes. I do so daily, in fact.

I know that bothers you.

I also know you meant to be sarcastic, and that my serious answer will also bother you.

I don't do it to bother you, tho (sorry to burst your ego-bubble). I do it because my Lord has commanded it:

"You have heard that it was said, 'You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.' But I say to you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you,that you may be sons of your Father in heaven; for He makes His sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust. For if you love those who love you, what reward have you? Do not even the tax collectors do the same? And if you greet your brethren only, what do you do more than others? Do not even the tax collectors do so? Therefore you shall be perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect."

(Matthew 5:43-48, NKJV)

I shall say an extra prayer for you right now.

JFO:

But don't get excited I'm not leaving permanently.

I should have added... keep going the route you are and your "leaving permanently" may not be determined by you. You will be joining Lee The Thief" Ward.

marc

In a very few minutes - see my response to your Darfur question on other thread.

_Mike_

You, like some of your other wizzer buddies have a reading problem. Maybe that explainss why you folks are so wrong so often.

keep going the route you are and your "leaving permanently" may not be determined by you. You will be joining Lee The Thief" Ward.

Did Lyin' Leeward finally get banned? I must have missed that announcement... can someone give me a link?

CCG

You have the stones to call someone a liar. God I'd like to be a fly on the cloud when you show up on judgment day.

Disclaimer:

I have my own concerns about myself but am hoping he'll grant me that wish first.

JFO, don't worry about me. They think they are fooling people, but they are not.

I pulled a post from NRO and sited the source. Marc is mad because he accused me of attributing quotes to Brown when I didn't. When I pointed out his error, again I sited NRO as where I found it, he resorted to insults (as usual). I then provided the full post from NRO including the name of the original source. Marc realized that he was wrong, but still he resorted to insults.

Now lovie chips in with his claims that by not providing a direct link (like you need it to find NRO) I am a liar.

It doesn't bother me because that is how those guys operate. They can never admit to a mistake even an honest one, but they are the firsts throw liar at you.

JFO:

_Mike_


You, like some of your other wizzer buddies have a reading problem. Maybe that explainss why you folks are so wrong so often.

Actually, chump, that's precisely what you said... thought you apparently still don't realize it.

JFO:

Sometimes it [being a moron] overcomes ...

My reading skills are fine. Your cognitive skills are what seems 'lacking' here.

I just notices that JFO continues behaving like a cheap liberal spinner. He just comes here to distract the thread by his cheap ad-hominen attacks.

I haven't seen much substance from JFO. He is in the same league of trolls like Jim. Not worth our time.

JFO, please point out, with specific, verifiable evidence (not vague "it was a few weeks ago" claims) where, exactly, I have lied.

Until and unless you can do that, I will have to conclude that you're tossing around accusations without evidence, as Lyin' Leeward did, and, thus, that you, too, are a liar.

CCG

The only 2 things that bother me about you are that you lie and you are a hypocrite. You never have anything much to say about the issues which is surprising. i have visited your website and what you write is certainly thoughtful - wrong but thoughtful. But you seem interested here in only making snarky stupid personal comments and I have caught you more than once in a lie. It's perplexing to see someone so open about your faith being personally nasty and being a liar.

CCG:

I'm not going back to troll through posts. On more than one ocassion I have caught you and pointed it out. Every time I have you go silent. I'm confident in what i am saying.

JFO, I ask again. Provide verifiable evidence that I have lied, or be declared a liar yourself.

CCG,
JFO is doing exactly what he is accusing you of: a liar and a hypocrite. He has done nothing but to resort to cheap ad-hominen attack to distract the thread.

JFO admits he has no evidence for his contention that I have ever lied.

Therefore, he has stated what he knows to be false.

Therefore, JFO is a liar.

CCG

I have no intention of scrolling through weeks of posts. You may label me a liar if it makes you feel better. Not such a good thing for such a "good" Christian though. And have no fear I will point out the lies in the future should there be any.

Interesting, dod you make a Freudian slip when you said 2 comments before:"....that you, too, are a liar..."? Interesting sentence don't you think? An admission perhaps?

Oh, and as to whether I am a liar? Of course I have lied. I am human and probably not nearly as "good" a "Christian" as you are. Have I lied about you? Never.

I have no intention of scrolling through weeks of posts. You may label me a liar if it makes you feel better.
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CCG,
See the cheap distraction tactic again. CCG is here to lie and distract since his lies have been exposed. I will bookmark this page to use JFO as an example of cheap liberal tactics.

Oh, and as to whether I am a liar? Of course I have lied.
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Thanks for admitting it finally. JFO is a liar.

No, JFO, I was referring to you and your mentor, Lyin' Leeward.

The exact quote, in context, is:

I will have to conclude that you're tossing around accusations without evidence, as Lyin' Leeward did, and, thus, that you, too, are a liar.

Anyone with more than three functioning brain cells can see that I mentioned Lyin' Leeward immediately prior to the comment you quoted, and thus, was indicating that you'd be a liar just like Lyin' Leeward.

I guess logic is a foreign concept to you, Lyin' JFO.

LAI
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Nice to hear from someone who is without sin. Another "good" Christian" ready to judge others are you? You're multi-talented.

CCG

I stand corrected. You aren't admitting you've lied. Imagine that - 2 of you (LAI) on the same thread without sin!! But you and I both know it isn't true. How "Christian" is it CCG to call people names? I suppose you'll cite a passage from the Bible where jesus did it. Oh well.

Bwhahahahaha...

More kicking JFO's ass.

Yeeehaw. What a wuss and a wimp.

Nice to hear from someone who is without sin. Another "good" Christian" ready to judge others are you? You're multi-talented.
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You are really multi-talented as well for using the same "perfection fallacy" to justify your lying. It has been pointed out several times already. Since noone is perfect, so there is no difference between a terrorist and a good US soldier. The same propaganda the liberals used to make moral equivalency between the US and the Soviet Union and the terrorists.

I am just using your own standard to conclude that you are a liar since you have admitteed yourself.

JFO is basically saying that since he is human and especially he is a liberal, it is natural for him to lie. So he can lie as much as he wants and there is no difference. That 's why JFO has no hint of shame about lying and hypocrisy on this thread.

Using JFO 's argument: the terrorists are human, so they are proned to "sin" as other people. So it is natural for terrorists to blow people up. JFO cannot tell the difference between a terrorist and a US soldier or cop trying to defend him. That 's why it is OK to make excuse for terrorists.

LAI

You're stark raving insane man. You need some help with your hate. Or are you just perfect? Why in the name of god do I engage with someone like you? I take an oath to ignore you now and for ever - even when you puke up your response to this comment and you mention evil liberals. Jesus, you're really nuts.

JFO, you don't like your own arg, do you? So resort to cheap ad-hominen attack again.

Using your own arg, you really can't tell the difference between a terrorist and a cop. Both are not perfect, so there is no difference between them according to you. Then you can talk about logic. Thanks for proving who you are again: a hypocrite who doesn't like his own arg.

I take an oath to ignore you now and for ever

What can I do to get you to ignore me, JFO?

barneyGRUBBLE:

Now lovie chips in with his claims that by not providing a direct link (like you need it to find NRO) I am a liar.

It doesn't bother me because that is how those guys operate. They can never admit to a mistake even an honest one, but they are the firsts throw liar at you.

And "lovie" did chip in with a link. This one to NRO, this one in fact.

The first two two lines read thusly:

The Brown-Blair Press Conference: What They Really Meant [Iain Murray]

Toby Harnden parses the meaning of the press conference. For example:

And FINALLY this is your first lines in the FIRST comment that gave the NRO quote:

Here is how the TRO [sic] is presenting the press conference (what he said/what he meant):

Obviously, to anyone with half a brain cell NRO has reprinted Tony Harndons take on the presser and NOT how they are presenting" it

barneyGRUBBLE you are the epitome of a dysfunctional human being.

JFO:

I'm not going back to troll through posts. On more than one ocassion I have caught you and pointed it out. Every time I have you go silent. I'm confident in what i am saying.

Yeah O.J. was confident in saying he didn't slice and dice his wife.

May I suggest next time you "catch" C-C-G in a lie your use that little "bookmark thingy" in your browser then you can present a more compelling case in the future.

Til then you and your accusation mean exactly dog squat.

CCG

Quit lying and acting like a holier-than-thou "good" "Christian". Just act like a Christian. Then I'll be happy to ignore you unless (doubtfully) you post a cogent argument. Then we might even have a discussion. I know you can make one - as I said I've read your blog.

Marc, I've pointed out his lies to him the times he has - enough for me. Not enough for you. Get over it.

I notice you swallowed your tongue after I answered your attempted trap question about Darfur. By the way is that all you do? Try to trap and rush to the defense of your fellow wizzers. You must be a boy scout. Sean Hannity you are not - but then that's a good thing.

JFO:

Marc, I've pointed out his lies to him the times he has - enough for me. Not enough for you. Get over it.... notice you swallowed your tongue after I answered your attempted trap question about Darfur.

I don't have to "get over it" I offered a suggestion to assist you next time the issue comes up.

"Attempted trap question?"

No it was a SIMPLE question and very much related to the general topic of the thread, terrorism and how and when U.S. troops are deployed.

So, you feel ZERO is the correct number, we agree. Africa and all the despotic leaders in it can pack sand as far as I'm concerned.

If you feel it was a "trap" you MAY be having some sort of delusion, but then again I'm not a doctor.

Actually, in regards to Barney's comment in question - "What he meant" - he loosely attributed it to a "TRO". I didn't know what that was, and furthermore, did not care. But in the interests of honesty, which Barney seems to be so hell bent on enforcing, along with his fellow travelers like L__:

Barney, you began your comment with this: "Here is how the TRO is presenting the press conference (what he said/what he meant):

BROWN: "Afghanistan is the front line against terrorism.""

Then you go on with what looked, to me as well, like your own commentary.

"marc, if you bothered to read my post you would have notice that I attributed comments to Nation Review Online and not to myself, but then again you did read it."

No, Barney. You didn't attribute your comment to NRO. You attributed it to TRO. Neither did you care to provide a link. Something I've heard you suggest be done by others more than once.

I find it amazing that since you may be having difficulty taking a seven word sentence out of context to twist and fold it into your own reality, which seems to be your preference, that you now have resorted to copying the imaginary translations of others and posting them as if they have merit or add to the discussion.

You're pathetic.

Hey marc I have an idea - lets stop with the snark back and forth and just try and discuss the issues when they come up. I'm for it - how bout you?

"I'm not going back to troll through posts."

But you'll be more than happy to be a troll in all future ones.

Oyster

Happily - someone has to bring the truth to you folks.

JFO, 8:04 a.m:

Hey marc I have an idea - lets stop with the snark back and forth and just try and discuss the issues when they come up. I'm for it - how bout you?

JFO, 8:17: a.m.

Oyster

Happily - someone has to bring the truth to you folks.

Well, that lasted longer than I expected...

J.

And while Barney and others, including a certain NRO writer, are scrambling to continue with the "Bushhitler" personae, due to their own fear that they miscalculated Gordon Brown's intentions, they ignore the other Brown, Mark Malloch Brown, who has had a long and flourishing relationship with George Soros and is now scrambling to distance himself from Mr. Soros. Care to read the link I posted above in regard to "poodleness", guys?

Or is the truth you seem to be so hell bent on establishing too painful for you? I'd love to see you defend those allegations AND Soros.

JFO:

Hey marc I have an idea - lets stop with the snark back and forth and just try and discuss the issues when they come up. I'm for it - how bout you?

When have you ever done that? When you have discussed the subject of a thread it's been one or two comments at most, then you fill the thread up with personnel attacks and other such nonsense.

OK. I gave it a shot.

Jay:

Perhaps like you I'm not so good at humor. But I really don't believe I am (not) as opposed to you. But then you are a better political writer than I.

JFO simply cannot avoid being a hypocrite and a liar. As JFO admitted, since he is not perfect, he lied all the times. So what is the big deal of lying one more time.

JFO continues his lying accusations.

He thus shows that he is the liar here, not I.

And he seems too stupid to realize this.

JFO, I think Lyin' Leeward has a blogger spot open for you over at WizBlue.