Gordon Brown has disappointed some in the anti-war movement with his recent comments:
Britain's new prime minister, Gordon Brown, has disappointed American and British critics of the war in Iraq by declaring that he believes the West is involved in a "generation-long battle" against radical Islamic terrorism, that he believes the American mission in Iraq is worthwhile, and that he will stand by President Bush in his efforts to promote democracy in Iraq and in the rest of the Middle East.After a four-hour meeting yesterday, which followed a two-hour discussion with the president at Camp David over dinner Sunday night, Mr. Brown offered little encouragement to those who hoped that the departure of Prime Minister Blair from Downing Street would lead to a weakening of the traditional alliance between America and Britain or would diminish the British resolve in Iraq.
"We are at one in fighting the battle against terrorism, and that struggle is one that we will fight with determination and with resilience and right across the world," Mr. Brown said at a press conference at the presidential mountain retreat.
Comments (142)
Lee:Serious... (Below threshold)1. Posted by langtry | July 31, 2007 1:33 PM | Score: 5 (5 votes cast)
Lee:
Seriously, Brown as a neocon? I want whatever you're having!
1. Posted by langtry | July 31, 2007 1:33 PM |
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Posted on July 31, 2007 13:33
2. Posted by langtry | July 31, 2007 1:38 PM | Score: 3 (3 votes cast)
From your link, Lee, called (and I paraphrase) "The Five Reasons Why Bush is More American Than Blair":
Hmmm. I know Bob Shrum managed a recent presidential campaign. Was it Bush's? No: it was the campaign of John Kerry, the legendary American Neo-Con.
/ 'Scuse me while I clean up my blouse after laughing my Aquafina out my nose!
2. Posted by langtry | July 31, 2007 1:38 PM |
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Posted on July 31, 2007 13:38
3. Posted by langtry | July 31, 2007 1:39 PM | Score: 3 (3 votes cast)
What happened to Lee's comment, which was #1?
3. Posted by langtry | July 31, 2007 1:39 PM |
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Posted on July 31, 2007 13:39
4. Posted by Oyster | July 31, 2007 1:41 PM | Score: 5 (5 votes cast)
Gee, wait a minute. Do you mean to tell me the Brits had no clue as to Brown's feeling's on the matter of terrorism? Say it ain't so! So when do we get to see an American publication announcing, "HOW CAN 'X' MILLION BRITS BE SO DUMB?" on its front cover?
And let Lee Ward go on record as the first one to imply Brown's "poodleness".
4. Posted by Oyster | July 31, 2007 1:41 PM |
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Posted on July 31, 2007 13:41
5. Posted by Heralder
| July 31, 2007 2:04 PM | Score: 3 (5 votes cast)
I believe you mean "Poodlty". What are you illiterate?
As for Lee's comments, I think it's become policy to delete everything he posts regardless of content.
And as for Brown, naturally he'll be derided for believing this war is important. It's odd, 'how fast you can run away' has apparently become a virtue to many on the left.
5. Posted by Heralder
| July 31, 2007 2:04 PM |
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Posted on July 31, 2007 14:04
6. Posted by Meezle | July 31, 2007 2:17 PM | Score: 4 (4 votes cast)
Perhaps Brown, like the Brookings guys who wrote the NY Times editorial, is actually bothering to listen to General Petraeus.
I think we're going to see more of this. Even the most vocal "pull-out now" folks have got to be worried that they're gonna end up on the losing side of this debate.
You can't pull out just when things are getting good. Even the far left must realize that "premature evacuation" is never a good thing.
6. Posted by Meezle | July 31, 2007 2:17 PM |
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Posted on July 31, 2007 14:17
7. Posted by Oyster | July 31, 2007 2:21 PM | Score: 2 (4 votes cast)
Of COURSE I meant "poodleness". You goose :)
I believe we have our poodle. But it's not the right Brown.
7. Posted by Oyster | July 31, 2007 2:21 PM |
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Posted on July 31, 2007 14:21
8. Posted by Oyster | July 31, 2007 2:31 PM | Score: 3 (5 votes cast)
"They are hiding the truth from their readers."
I prefer to think of it as sparing us from your drivel.
8. Posted by Oyster | July 31, 2007 2:31 PM |
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Posted on July 31, 2007 14:31
9. Posted by Heralder
| July 31, 2007 2:34 PM | Score: 3 (5 votes cast)
Don't knock my "Gooselty"!
Would Beyonce refer to Brown as Poodliscious?
~
Lee:
By deleting your comments? Hmmm.
9. Posted by Heralder
| July 31, 2007 2:34 PM |
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Posted on July 31, 2007 14:34
10. Posted by JFO | July 31, 2007 2:43 PM | Score: -6 (8 votes cast)
So I assume you all agree with 2 assertions by Brown: 1) that the central front of the fight is in Afghanistan and not Iraq; 2) that terrorism is a "crime." Now we all know Br Bush's views of those two positions, don't we?
I would say that it is more likely that the righties who support Bush are "poodles" and that Brown is a bulldog (credit that the bulldog label to Dana Mil-bank).
10. Posted by JFO | July 31, 2007 2:43 PM |
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Posted on July 31, 2007 14:43
11. Posted by Oyster | July 31, 2007 2:45 PM | Score: 1 (3 votes cast)
dude,
gooseness
11. Posted by Oyster | July 31, 2007 2:45 PM |
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Posted on July 31, 2007 14:45
12. Posted by LoveAmerica Immigrant | July 31, 2007 3:01 PM | Score: 2 (4 votes cast)
JFO continues his hypocritical (less than honest spin).
(1) On terrorism
"Terrorism is not a cause, it is a crime, and it is a crime against humanity. And there should be no safe haven and no hiding place for those who practice terrorist violence or preach terrorist extremism," he said. "This is a battle for which we can give no quarter."
(2) On Iraq, "In Iraq, we have duties to discharge and responsibilities to keep in support of the democratically elected government and in support of the explicit will of the international community, expressed most recently through U.N. resolution 1723," he said. "Our aim, like the United States, is step by step to move control to the Iraqi authorities Â-- to the Iraqi government and to its security forces Â-- as progress is made."
"Our aim, as is the aim of the United States government, is threefold: security for the Iraqi people, political reconciliation, and that the Iraqis have a stake in the future," he said.
12. Posted by LoveAmerica Immigrant | July 31, 2007 3:01 PM |
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Posted on July 31, 2007 15:01
13. Posted by Dirk | July 31, 2007 3:04 PM | Score: 3 (5 votes cast)
If Lefties weren't so stupid, they would know that Tony Blair was a "neo-con" before George Bush was even President.
13. Posted by Dirk | July 31, 2007 3:04 PM |
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Posted on July 31, 2007 15:04
14. Posted by JFO | July 31, 2007 3:08 PM | Score: -6 (8 votes cast)
LAI
Sometimes you're laugable. I say Brown says terrorism is a crime. You say I write hypocritical spin and then you quote Brown saying terrorism is a crime!!! Good grief man, get a grip will ya.
14. Posted by JFO | July 31, 2007 3:08 PM |
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Posted on July 31, 2007 15:08
15. Posted by Heralder | July 31, 2007 3:14 PM | Score: 4 (4 votes cast)
JFO,
I think the entirety of which Brown said it is what's key. Not too many people are going to disagree that it's a crime against humanity.
Are you trying to say it needs to be fought soley on U.S. soil by local police and in our courts?
Oyster:
Goosicity?
15. Posted by Heralder | July 31, 2007 3:14 PM |
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Posted on July 31, 2007 15:14
16. Posted by JFO | July 31, 2007 3:14 PM | Score: -4 (4 votes cast)
LAI:
I forgot this part from the comment above. You omitted this quote from Brown:
"Afghanistan is the front line against terrorism."
Wonder why ya did that?
16. Posted by JFO | July 31, 2007 3:14 PM |
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Posted on July 31, 2007 15:14
17. Posted by D-Hoggs | July 31, 2007 3:19 PM | Score: 8 (10 votes cast)
lee, "The Wizbang thought-nazis are quite busy these days, busily try in to sanitize the comment threads."
lee where the HELL do you get the gall to even say shit like that when you have been deleting comments from wizblue since day ONE!?!?! You are a pathetic piece of shit lee and it is WAY past time that you go the hell away. You contribute zero to this site, and your hypocrisy is of a level not seen before. Truly stunning that you have the balls to make a peep about Kevin and crew and the way they run their site, which is light years ahead of your tiny echo-chamber.
17. Posted by D-Hoggs | July 31, 2007 3:19 PM |
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Posted on July 31, 2007 15:19
18. Posted by D-Hoggs | July 31, 2007 3:25 PM | Score: 3 (5 votes cast)
Kevin, Jay, Paul, and the rest of the Wizbang crew, I commend you on the incredible job you have done on this site, especially in dealing with the severely deranged trolls such as lee. You've put up with his garbage for YEARS, you give him a blog, he deletes dissenting views on his blog regularly, bans commenters, and then has the gall to castigate you. I have one question though, how much more of his hypocritical, deranged bullshit are you, and the rest of the wizbang community, to be subjected to?
18. Posted by D-Hoggs | July 31, 2007 3:25 PM |
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Posted on July 31, 2007 15:25
19. Posted by D-Hoggs | July 31, 2007 3:38 PM | Score: 4 (6 votes cast)
You are so full of shit lee. I used language that YOU YOURSELF used in the very SAME posts that my comments were deleted from, purposefully no less, to point out your absolute hypocrisy!! You are such a frigging joke! Furthermore, after your "that's one strike" crap, you deleted SEVERAL of my comments that contained no profanities whatsoever.
Finally, where do you get off saying, "when you realize that you are discussing current affairs only with those who the Wizbang thought-Nazis want you to discuss things with."??
By your very own logic, "anyone can see from the Wizbang Blue comment threads that you are lying about us deleting dissenting viewpoints.", you can look around wizbang's comment threads and see a FAR larger conversation of various points of view than you will ever find on wizblue, you know, like more than 4 comments on a post that don't all say the same thing.
19. Posted by D-Hoggs | July 31, 2007 3:38 PM |
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Posted on July 31, 2007 15:38
20. Posted by BarneyG2000 | July 31, 2007 3:39 PM | Score: -6 (8 votes cast)
Here is how the TRO is presenting the press conference (what he said/what he meant):
BROWN: "Afghanistan is the front line against terrorism."
What he meant: "It's not all about Iraq. If you Americans had caught Osama bin Laden at Tora Bora and continued to hunt al-Qa'eda in Afghanistan and the Pakistani tribal areas instead of invading Iraq with that nincompoop Blair (I must have been out of the room at the time) then we wouldn't be in this mess."
20. Posted by BarneyG2000 | July 31, 2007 3:39 PM |
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Posted on July 31, 2007 15:39
21. Posted by _Mike_ | July 31, 2007 3:44 PM | Score: 6 (8 votes cast)
As for Lee's comments, I think it's become policy to delete everything he posts regardless of content.
Typically, when a dog keeps crapping on the carpet, you get rid of the dog.
However, this time the dog was given his own room in which to crap on the carpet and when he craps on the carpet in the other rooms, someone has to get out the 'pooper scooper'.
Oddly, the dog now complains about crap on the being on the carpet while crapping on the carpet.
21. Posted by _Mike_ | July 31, 2007 3:44 PM |
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Posted on July 31, 2007 15:44
22. Posted by D-Hoggs | July 31, 2007 3:45 PM | Score: 3 (5 votes cast)
Want to show how many honest bones you have in your body lee? On May 24th, lee said, "Yes, the administration was dead-serious about border security and the global War on Terror. Bullshit"
This was after my first warning for saying "shit".
My reply was, "Oh now we can say bullshit on your posts lee? Cool, good to know that doesn't break your "standards", which happen to be BULLSHIT." To which lee replied, "consider this your second warning."!!! For typing the same exact word he had just typed himself!! Following that was the deletion of several of my comments containing no profanities whatsoever, and then a flat out banning. Talk about hypocrisy.
22. Posted by D-Hoggs | July 31, 2007 3:45 PM |
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Posted on July 31, 2007 15:45
23. Posted by LoveAmerica Immigrant | July 31, 2007 3:47 PM | Score: 2 (4 votes cast)
You say I write hypocritical spin and then you quote Brown saying terrorism is a crime!!!
------------------------------------
Yes, a crime against humanity and we have to fight against it just like we fight against the fascists and communists. Fair enough. Thanks for agreeing that the liberal dems like Edwards have been clueless or dishonest about the GWOT.
23. Posted by LoveAmerica Immigrant | July 31, 2007 3:47 PM |
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Posted on July 31, 2007 15:47
24. Posted by marc | July 31, 2007 3:54 PM | Score: 2 (4 votes cast)
barneyGRUBBLE:
What he meant: "It's not all about Iraq. If you Americans had caught Osama bin Laden at Tora Bora and continued to hunt al-Qa'eda in Afghanistan and the Pakistani tribal areas instead of invading Iraq with that nincompoop Blair (I must have been out of the room at the time) then we wouldn't be in this mess."
So who are you "channeling today? Uri Geller? David Blaine or Criss Angel? Kreskin?
Or are you just making sh*t up and inserting it into Brown's thought process?
24. Posted by marc | July 31, 2007 3:54 PM |
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Posted on July 31, 2007 15:54
25. Posted by marc | July 31, 2007 3:59 PM | Score: 3 (5 votes cast)
Oh... and BTW barneyGRUBBLE...
If you want to really cut to the chase Brown is wrong. The ghost of OBL and his living underlings are in Pakistan and Waziristan is the "front line against terrorism".
25. Posted by marc | July 31, 2007 3:59 PM |
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Posted on July 31, 2007 15:59
26. Posted by marc | July 31, 2007 4:04 PM | Score: 3 (7 votes cast)
Lee "The Thief" Ward:
You're lying D-Hoggs - your profanity is the reason you were banned. You've demonstrated enough of it here to show everyone that's true.
In other words, "do as I say, not as I do."
Can't get a closer definition of a hypocrite than that.
26. Posted by marc | July 31, 2007 4:04 PM |
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Posted on July 31, 2007 16:04
27. Posted by marc | July 31, 2007 4:12 PM | Score: 4 (4 votes cast)
Lee "The Thief" Ward:
His profanity was out of control and over the top, and that's what got him banned.
Then the court of public opinion desires to see exhibits A-Z. Surely you have examples, with direct links, to each comment prior to him getting tossed.
27. Posted by marc | July 31, 2007 4:12 PM |
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Posted on July 31, 2007 16:12
28. Posted by D-Hoggs | July 31, 2007 4:15 PM | Score: 4 (4 votes cast)
Exactly marc. Once again, lee said, "Yes, the administration was dead-serious about border security and the global War on Terror. Bullshit"
I don't see how I am lying here lee, I just laid it out exactly how it happened, you typed bullshit, I typed, "Oh now we can say bullshit on your posts lee? Cool, good to know that doesn't break your "standards", which happen to be BULLSHIT." to which you responded, "consider this your second warning."
After that, I continued to press the issue of why lee was allowed to use profanities but commenters were not, may 24th 1:08pm, same thread, "lee why is it that you can write "bullshit" and commenters can not? Typical liberal I guess, do as I say, not as I do. What a bunch of bullshit." After this I was banned, assumably that was my "third warning" for typing what lee had just typed. Yes lee, I have a screen shot of the thread because I knew your blatant hypocrisy would rear it's ugly head on this issue. Pathetic. And as I said before, you can look around wizbang comment threads and see that lee is hopelessly lying about wizbang squashing dissenting views. It must really be hard on you lee only getting 4 comments per thread over there that you have to come over here to make shit up.
28. Posted by D-Hoggs | July 31, 2007 4:15 PM |
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Posted on July 31, 2007 16:15
29. Posted by D-Hoggs | July 31, 2007 4:16 PM | Score: 5 (5 votes cast)
"His profanity was out of control and over the top, and that's what got him banned."
In other words, the same profanity that lee used. I've posted the quotes for all to see.
29. Posted by D-Hoggs | July 31, 2007 4:16 PM |
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Posted on July 31, 2007 16:16
30. Posted by D-Hoggs | July 31, 2007 4:29 PM | Score: 4 (4 votes cast)
Now replace the words "wizbang authors", "they", "Paul", "Jay", "DJ" and "Wizbang" with the word "lee" and you've got real honesty.
Seems to me I've posted the exact quotes leading up the bannings lee, and you can do nothing but foam at the mouth accusing Kevin, Jay, Paul, Lorie and DJ of doing what you do on your pathetic blog.
30. Posted by D-Hoggs | July 31, 2007 4:29 PM |
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Posted on July 31, 2007 16:29
31. Posted by jhow66 | July 31, 2007 4:31 PM | Score: 4 (4 votes cast)
wee wee wardie from bluie banned me after the 1st post with no potty words used. Can you say HYPOCRITE ( or is that coward?)
31. Posted by jhow66 | July 31, 2007 4:31 PM |
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Posted on July 31, 2007 16:31
32. Posted by marc | July 31, 2007 4:33 PM | Score: 1 (1 votes cast)
Lee "The Thief" Ward:
It's much easier for the Wizbang authors to win arguments when they can just delete the comments of those who disagree with them.
But it seems to happen to you more often than anyone else, now why is that?
Court of public opinion - lol - as if the sanitized, nazi-enforced comment threads of Wizbang could ever be considered a "court" of anything but jesters... lol.
OK, it's a "court" of one, I wanted the proof and last time I looked I didn't have the ability to "sanitize[d]" anything here. (but bet I'd get the privilege before you)
But alas, just as I suspected you allegedly deleted all of D-Hoggs "offensive" comments.
Shocked.... SHOCKED I tell ya.
BTW Lee, have you ever amended your post that contained stolen material from Time Magazine?
32. Posted by marc | July 31, 2007 4:33 PM |
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Posted on July 31, 2007 16:33
33. Posted by marc | July 31, 2007 4:35 PM | Score: 1 (1 votes cast)
Oops, bye Lee.
"Damn 'evil' Wizbangers?"
33. Posted by marc | July 31, 2007 4:35 PM |
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Posted on July 31, 2007 16:35
34. Posted by D-Hoggs | July 31, 2007 4:36 PM | Score: 2 (2 votes cast)
No surprise there jhow66.
By the way, Lorie, I really do apologize for following lee off the point of the thread, but I just couldn't let his blatant hypocrisy in castigating Wizbang and it's authors stand.
34. Posted by D-Hoggs | July 31, 2007 4:36 PM |
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Posted on July 31, 2007 16:36
35. Posted by Jo | July 31, 2007 4:37 PM | Score: 1 (1 votes cast)
jhow66 writes:
wee wee wardie from bluie banned me after the 1st post with no potty words used. Can you say HYPOCRITE ( or is that coward?)
Bwhahahahahahahah......Lee caught lying AGAIN!!!
LOVE IT!!!!!!!!!!!
35. Posted by Jo | July 31, 2007 4:37 PM |
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Posted on July 31, 2007 16:37
36. Posted by Lorie Byrd | July 31, 2007 4:48 PM | Score: 3 (3 votes cast)
I have been offline for the past four hours. I posted this here and crossposted it at Right Wing News where I am helping John Hawkins out today, then I left the computer to attend to house cleaning and keeping my kids from killing each other. I have not deleted anyone's comments on this thread. I could count on one hand the number of comments I have deleted the entire time I have been at Wizbang. It is just not something I do very often.
I decided a while back to ignore Lee for the most part, but sometimes respond to his comments. Someone else at Wizbang must have deleted his comments. I have not checked my email for the past four hours so there may be a note in there telling me who did it. I don't care whether his comments are deleted or not because he has lied about me enough times in comments he has made at Wizbang that I don't think he deserves to enjoy the privilege anymore, but that is not up to me.
36. Posted by Lorie Byrd | July 31, 2007 4:48 PM |
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Posted on July 31, 2007 16:48
37. Posted by Les Nessman | July 31, 2007 4:50 PM | Score: 2 (2 votes cast)