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Obama Wouldn't Use Nukes "In Any Circumstance"

Not even if a rogue terrorist state like Iran shoots a nuke off at us? He might as well carry around a neon sign that says "Nuke Us!" Drudge has the scoop:

Obama said in grilling with AP reporter Thursday he would not use nuclear weapons 'in any circumstance'... 'I think it would be a profound mistake for us to use nuclear weapons in any circumstance,' Obama said, with a pause, 'involving civilians' Then he quickly added, 'Let me scratch that. There's been no discussion of nuclear weapons. That's not on the table'...

Wow. Does he actually know what he believes?


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Wow. Does he actually kn... (Below threshold)
Veeshir:

Wow. Does he actually know what he believes?
Not until it's been polled.

Dems learned all the wrong lessons from Bill. Not everybody can be such a shameless liar, panderer and liar, it takes a certain charm and humor.

He is simply not a serious ... (Below threshold)

He is simply not a serious person, and not fit for the office he holds, much less higher office.

Sure he does...he believes ... (Below threshold)

Sure he does...he believes he should be president. He obviously thinks it's a piece of cake like most liberals because they think Bush is an idiot so they think any idiot can be president. I may have to go slam my head in the door a few times for saying this, but I think they'd better lock most of the top Democrats up in a room for a couple of hours with Bill Clinton - yeah he acted in concert with the polls and twisted in the political winds, but he also knows what you get nailed with doing the job, especially doing it that way. Obama is Kerry, they both think Bush is a trained monkey that gives speeches and tells people what they want to hear and then the economy is great and the Middle East is singing kumbaya and China decides to become the 51st state. It's all just a piece of cake if only the president would tell everyone what they want to hear instead of what they need to hear.

Someone will be along any m... (Below threshold)
Howcome:

Someone will be along any minute to tell us he did not say what he just said.

The only thing being nuked ... (Below threshold)
Howcome:

The only thing being nuked by Obama is his own campaign. Hillary must be a happy girl today.

So to recap the past 2 days... (Below threshold)
ExSubNuke:

So to recap the past 2 days,

He doesn't support invading hostile countries and deposing hostile leaders/dictators, wants to invade a nuclear armed ally and possibly hand leadership of said country to islamofascists, and then wouldn't retaliate if they decided to pop one off on us.


Sign me up. (/sarcasm)

So let's see if I have this... (Below threshold)
Mark L:

So let's see if I have this right.

- He is willing to speak to leaders of enemy nations, anywhere in the world, but wants to invade an allied nation.

- He is not willing to fight nations trying to acquire nuclear weapons (Iran) but will attack one that already has one (Pakistan).

- Even if a nation we invade (or even one we have not invaded) uses a nuclear weapon against the United States, he would not retaliate in kind.

I can't think of three better qualifications for the Democratic nominee for President or three better formulae for disaster if elected President.

"He is simply not a serious... (Below threshold)
pretzel_logic:

"He is simply not a serious person, and not fit for the office he holds, much less higher office."

As an Illinois resident..here here.

<a href="http://www.grsites... (Below threshold)
pretzel_logic:
Obama has been running for ... (Below threshold)
Mycroft:

Obama has been running for the VP nomination for some time now, but this is so bad, he mightnot even make that.

I am shocked, shocked I tel... (Below threshold)
philw:

I am shocked, shocked I tell you that a complete international (never mind national) neophyte is confused about geography, military tactics and capabilities and internation relations and repercussions. What are my fellow NH Obamerites thinking?

One thing about OBL & his c... (Below threshold)
ras:

One thing about OBL & his cohort: they practice their culture's traditional form of probe and attack.

Much as the Muslims in their day probed Sicily and then took it over when they found it weak, and probed Spain and took it over when they found it weak (and then probed France, but Charles Martel was not weak) ....

... OBL inc probed the US defences, with smaller attacks escalating up to ships, then embassies, and finally the WTC. The more things change, sigh....

So now Obama openly tells them: hey, it's ok to probe with WMDs cuz we'll never respond with our strength?

This is like a plot from a Peter Sellers movie, only it's not funny this time. I'm still of the opinion that the reason for no more 9-11's since that day (there's gotta be a reason and it sure ain't Homeland Security) is the presence of US Troops on the borders of the state sponsors of terror; i.e. psychopaths only respect strength.

Kim:Not e... (Below threshold)
Heralder:

Kim:

Not even if a rogue terrorist state like Iran shoots a nuke off at us?

Maybe it's just semantics, but even if Iran had the capability to do so, they would never launch a nuclear missle at us.

They would deliver it to Hezbollah or some other proxy organization to detonate in Iraq or in Israel.

But you're right, the messge remains the same: "Do your worst, we certainly won't make you sorry."

I still think he's Hillery'... (Below threshold)
Gmac:

I still think he's Hillery's stalking horse. No one could be that stupid, say the things that he says and *still* be seen as 'presidential' by half the electorate.

"You can't *pay* for entertainment like this."

howcome:<block... (Below threshold)

howcome:

Someone will be along any minute to tell us he did not say what he just said.
That or he'll blame a Staffer, like he always does when he gets caught unprepared. What an asshat Obama is!
Oh, and you should see the ... (Below threshold)

Oh, and you should see the spin the two women reporters assigned by the Chicago Sun-Times have employed on behalf of their fave Heartthrob-in-Chief:

I'm-married-to-the-Editor-in-Chief' writer Jennifer Hunter leades with "Obama has fresh ideas in war on terrorism"
http://www.suntimes.com/news/hunter/494187,CST-NWS-hunter02.article

and Lynn 'Obama-has-zero-body-fat' Sweet covers her side of the sandwich with "Obama talks tough on fighting terror"
http://www.suntimes.com/news/sweet/494198,CST-NWS-sweet02.article.

Not one of these two Bimbos could figure out the dichotomy if they were given directions on MapQuest!

Man, you guys are twisting ... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:

Man, you guys are twisting so much you're going to rupture a spleen. I guess it is a little bit of a shock to here a Pol come out and talk straight after 6+ years of Bush.

If you guys wanted to be honest you would admit his answer was in regards to attacking al Qaeda in Pakistan, and yes that would be a bad idea.

Can you imagine what would happen if we sent even a tactical Nuke into Pakistan, without Mushy's approval, to wipeout an al Qaeda training camp?

Now if he said he would never retaliate against a country that attacked us with Nukes, then that would be a different story, but that is not what he said.

This is getting fun to watc... (Below threshold)

This is getting fun to watch.

When Hillary pissed off the anti-war crowd, Barack saw his opportunity to grab them up and they all shuffled over to the Obama camp - her husband's supporters and Hollywood included. Now he's talking about invading another ME country (or two) and they're spinning like mad to make it sound like he didn't say what he said because they've already clearly cast their lot with him. Then he opens his mouth again, gives a stupid answer to a question of whether or not we'd use nukes, then corrects it with a non-answer. I'm sure that's what he thought they wanted to hear when he said he would never use nukes, but then realized that was not the right answer. That's like saying you would NEVER kill anyone and then realizing you indeed would if your life were in danger.

Now Hillary will give Bush a brief reprieve and shift gears from the "I'm not George Bush" campaign to the "I'm not Obama" campaign and go in for the kill.

Then she'll get beat in the election.

Is he trying to ju... (Below threshold)

Is he trying to just give the Democratic nomination to Hillary? Did the Clintons secure yet another kill (mental, in this case) to add to their list?

I always thought the man was a little out of his league, but this is just comedy of the first order... He cannot even last a sentence without waffling, reconsidering, and trying to outguess the polls... I suppose, if nothing else, that would make him a model liberal!

howcome:... (Below threshold)

howcome:

Someone will be along any minute to tell us he did not say what he just said.

I present to you - Barney!

Barney: the question was, when asked by The Associated Press after a breakfast with constituents, whether there was any circumstance where he would be prepared or willing to use nuclear weapons to defeat terrorism and al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden..."

Who's spinning?

You're amazing!

Barney-the only acceptable ... (Below threshold)
pretzel_logic:

Barney-the only acceptable answer from the Commander-in-Chief of the United States Military is yes. Yes, because the reason they exist and the reason we're not typing in Russian right now is that they are a deterrent.

Now you know why having cam... (Below threshold)
Matt:

Now you know why having campaigns start so early are a huge mistake. No one can walk through the press-mine-field without making mistakes. What matters are values, truths and core beliefs.....just the things progressives, er liberals do not have. Conservation should relax and let the campaigns start at the normal time....

I present to you - Barney!<... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

I present to you - Barney!
...
Who's spinning?

You're amazing!
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Yup, Barney would not be deterred by facts. Yesterday, Barney tried to read Obama's mind and the Obama people proved him wrong. But that wouldn't deter him from mind-reading again. Barney seems to love reading mind.

So, He doesn't min... (Below threshold)
ExSubNuke:

So,

He doesn't mind reading mind?


Good on ya BG2K.

OK guys, al Qaeda is mostly... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:

OK guys, al Qaeda is mostly in Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan and a bunch of others in cells such as England.

Tell me which one of those countries we should Nuke first?

Pretzel brings up an excell... (Below threshold)
Heralder:

Pretzel brings up an excellent point.

The reason you don't have to use a nuclear device is because people think you will.

Sounds odd, I know, but imagine it like carrying a gun that you say you absolutely will not fire at someone...doesn't really do anything to protect you at that point.

Barney:Te... (Below threshold)
Heralder:

Barney:

Tell me which one of those countries we should Nuke first?

That's a distortion. The point most of us are making is that it's a mistake to say you'll never use it.

Obama Said:<blockquot... (Below threshold)
Paul:

Obama Said:

'I think it would be a profound mistake for us to use nuclear weapons in any circumstance,'

Howcome said:

Someone will be along any minute to tell us he did not say what he just said.

babble200 said:

Now if he said he would never retaliate against a country that attacked us with Nukes, then that would be a different story, but that is not what he said.

Paul sez,

Barney, you're not just a moron, you're a completely predictable moron. I think I'll write a bot to replace you then ban you.. It would save everyone a whole bunch of time.

Barney: "Tell me which one ... (Below threshold)
Drago:

Barney: "Tell me which one of those countries we should Nuke first?"

Nope.

That would defeat the strategic purpose of NEVER telegraphing intentions to your enemies.

Something Obama never learned.

Something he's learning very quickly now.

Which necessarily renders Barney and Friends attempts to deflect and distract from Obama's stupidity laughable.

Don't believe me Barney?

Then read what your fellow libs running for President are saying.

I think I'll write... (Below threshold)
Heralder:
I think I'll write a bot to replace you then ban you

Priceless.

>Then read what your fellow... (Below threshold)
Paul:

>Then read what your fellow libs running for President are saying.

Ya know... that's my thing...

If babble2000 where smart -which of course he isn't- he would simply run away form Obama and latch on to a different candidate.

But noooooooooo a Dem said it (a naively ignorant idiotic dem but a dem said it) so Babble2000 thinks it is worth defending.

He's a hint babble2000... Do ya see anybody on the right defending Ted Sevens? Very very few if any... You don't see anybody on Wizbang defending him... I spoke to Kevin by phone about the topic and Kevin's reply was "He's a corrupt old man who has to go." I agreed.

Babble, if you think you're convincing people, the only thing you're convincing people of is that your side is full of moonbats.

Someone will be along any m... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:

Someone will be along any minute to tell us he did not say what he just said. Posted at 1:38

My first comment was posted 3: 46 so 2-hours and 8-minutes is now any minute? Another example of how you righties blow everything out of proportion.

By the by, he never said he wouldn't use Nukes as a retaliatory strike against a nation that used Nukes first, he said he would not use Nukes to take out al Qaeda in Pakistan.

Tell me again how the threa... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:

Tell me again how the threat of a Nuke strike is a deterrent against suicide bombers?

Heralder, (OT)Sorr... (Below threshold)
Sheik Yur Bouty:

Heralder, (OT)

Sorry I didn't respond to you yesterday on the other thread.

I never left. Lately, I do most of my blog reading via RSS on my PDA. So, commenting is basically out of the question.

When I'm at work if front of my computer, I've been waaaaaayyy to busy the last few months to comment on much of anything.

Good to know someone noticed!

Thanks!

syb

As the days go by, Obama co... (Below threshold)

As the days go by, Obama continues to show just how naive he really is. He's only served a few years as Senator, and before that was a state legislature for Illinois. He's not ready for the Presidency.

He sways with the polls. If tomorrow the Left decided it was a good idea to nuke Pakistan, he'd take up that stance.

Barney,By the by, he... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

Barney,
By the by, he never said he wouldn't use Nukes as a retaliatory strike against a nation that used Nukes first, he said he would not use Nukes to take out al Qaeda in Pakistan.
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Maybe Barney is a better mind-reader than I am. Barney, so you are saying that other dems (Hillary, Biden, Dodd) are misrepresenting what Obama tried to say?

http://www.pr-inside.com/print193423.htm

U.S. presidential hopeful Barack Obama said Thursday he would not use nuclear weapons «in any circumstance» to fight terrorism in Afghanistan and Pakistan, drawing criticism from Hillary Rodham Clinton and other Democratic rivals.
«I think it would be a profound mistake for us to use nuclear weapons in any circumstance,» Obama said, with a pause, «involving civilians.» Then he quickly added, «Let me scratch that. There's been no discussion of nuclear weapons. That's not on the table.
Obama was responding to a question by the Associated Press about whether there was any circumstance where he would be prepared or willing to use nuclear weapons in Afghanistan and Pakistan to defeat terrorism and al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden.
«There's been no discussion of using nuclear weapons and that's not a hypothetical that I'm going to discuss,» Obama said after a Capitol Hill breakfast with constituents.
When asked whether his answer also applied to the possible use of tactical nuclear weapons, he said it did.
The Illinois senator warned Pakistani President Gen. Pervez Musharraf in a major foreign policy speech Wednesday that he would use U.S. military force in Pakistan even without Musharraf's permission if necessary to root out terrorists.
Asked about Obama's speech and his comments about nuclear weapons, Clinton chided her fellow senator about addressing hypotheticals.
«Presidents should be very careful at all times in discussing the use or non-use of nuclear weapons. ... I don't believe that any president should make any blanket statements with respect to the use or non-use of nuclear weapons,» Clinton said.
Asked about the notion of unilateral U.S. military action in Pakistan to get al-Qaida leadershipo she said: «How we do it should not be telegraphed or discussed for obvious reasons.
Another Democratic rival, Sen. Joe Biden, also criticized Obama's comments about unilateral military action in Pakistan to pursue terrorists.
«It's a well-intended notion he has, but it's a very naïve way of figuring out how you're going to conduct foreign policy,» the chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Comittee said on a radio show.
Sen. Chris Dodd, a member of the Foreign Relations Committee along with Obama, also took his rival to task.

I am not sticking up for Ob... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:

I am not sticking up for Obama, I'm asking for an honest debate on what he said. If you do not agree with what he said, fair enough, but be honest enough to admit his comment was in regards to al Qaeda and not regarding using Nukes against rouge nations that have or are threatening to launch a strike.

If al Qaeda detonated a nuke on the West what are we going to do Nuke Afghanistan, Iraq and Pakistan because al Qaeda is there, or should we Nuke the nation that supplied al Qaeda with the Nuke?

If Obama said that was off the table, than yes I would have a problem with that.

Tell me again how the threa... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

Tell me again how the threat of a Nuke strike is a deterrent against suicide bombers?
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Seriously, you cannot think of any deterrent? OK, since you seem to be capable of reading Obama 's mind, let 's say the terrorist nuke a city in the US or Europe or Is. Then what do you think Obama should do?

Somewhere Hillary is smilin... (Below threshold)
Jo:

Somewhere Hillary is smiling.

Definitely a slip by Obama,... (Below threshold)
sean nyc/aa:

Definitely a slip by Obama, no denying that.

He probably meant no nuclear first strikes, which I wholeheartedly support.

A nuclear response to a foreign nuclear attack is a whole different ballgame than the type of war we're engaged in right now, which is probably why he followed up his original statement with:
"Let me scratch that. There's been no discussion of nuclear weapons. That's not on the table"

A transcript of the interview would help clarify things.

Asked about Obama's speech ... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

Asked about Obama's speech and his comments about nuclear weapons, Clinton chided her fellow senator about addressing hypotheticals.
«Presidents should be very careful at all times in discussing the use or non-use of nuclear weapons. ... I don't believe that any president should make any blanket statements with respect to the use or non-use of nuclear weapons,» Clinton said.
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Barney, you are saying that Clinton is not honest here?

"Let me scratch that. There... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

"Let me scratch that. There's been no discussion of nuclear weapons. That's not on the table"
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Yup, this is another example of Obama 's cluelessness. He wants to be a pres and he never thought or discuss about nuclear weapons? ANd this is the guy the liberals are excited about? The dem party is not a serious party.

We should just kill all tho... (Below threshold)
Reagan:

We should just kill all those jockey jihadists. Obama will be as clueless to the threat as Clinton was. That's why we need strong real leaders like Bush to bomb the crap outta these barbaric monkeys.

Brave Sir Robin, I mean Lov... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:

Brave Sir Robin, I mean Lovie, "Barney, you are saying that Clinton is not honest here?"

Yes she is being honest. She said "Presidents" Obama is not the current or a past President.

Tell me again how the th... (Below threshold)
ras:

Tell me again how the threat of a Nuke strike is a deterrent against suicide bombers?

Because of the state sponsors. Could we even name a seriously threatening terrorist group that doesn't have at least one?

Barney: "Another example of... (Below threshold)
Drago:

Barney: "Another example of how you righties blow everything out of proportion."

"Bush is Hitler.
Bush has destroyed our constitution.
Bush blew up the WTC.
Bush blew up the levies to kill blacks.
Republicans want to see old people and children die.
All republicans are racist."

But heaven forbid someone utter the phrase "someone will be along any minute to tell us Obama didn't say that" and actually have "any minute" be "2 hours and 8 minutes" later (for the record, 128 minutes is a member of the "any minute" set of minutes), and that just sends Barney into paroxysms of disgust.

Barney, after comparing the things said by the left and the "minute" conversation above, it's clear that you and the lefties simply "blow everything out of proportion."

BTW, Obama said what he said, he stated it clearly, it was on his website, his campaign manager backed it up, and ALL of the other Dem candidates are zinging him for it.

But hey, it's clear now that even the rest of the Dem candidates are part of the "Right-wing controlled MSM (!!!)" and vast right-wing conspiracy!!!

Thanks Barney!

Brave Sir Robin, I mean Lov... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

Brave Sir Robin, I mean Lovie, "Barney, you are saying that Clinton is not honest here?"

Yes she is being honest. She said "Presidents" Obama is not the current or a past President.
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Barney simply cannot give a straightforward or honest answer. Clinton is clearly criticizing Obama for his blanket statement. Good luck, Barney, that 's the level of honest discussion I expect from you in any case.

LoveAmericaImmigrant, Barne... (Below threshold)
Drago:

LoveAmericaImmigrant, Barney has clearly spent many years at the feet of his marxist professors and has mastered the "Rules for Radicals".

Further, he has seen from experience (The clinton War Room love-athon with the dinosaur press) that if lefties simply repeat something long enough, regardless of how insane, the MSM is generally going to go along with it.

Unfortunately for Barney, not even his own dems are following suit and, worse yet, since the MSM is much, much more invested in Hillary! becoming president, Obama is simply another foil to be vanquished at the hands of the Clinton machine.

Yet Barney continues. Valiantly, but psychotically.

How many times has Barney f... (Below threshold)

How many times has Barney falsely claimed that Obama didn't say something or intend to say something that obviously he did?

It is getting old, Barney.

Are you guys familiar with ... (Below threshold)
Publicus:

Are you guys familiar with the question he was answering?

"The Associated Press after a breakfast with constituents whether there was any circumstance where he would be prepared or willing to use nuclear weapons to defeat terrorism and al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden."

He wouldn't use nukes against Al Queda or bin Laden. Do you think nukes are good weapons to use against an individual? Or a disparate bunch of individuals who don't hang out together?

What are you freaking out about?

What are you freaking out a... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

What are you freaking out about?
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We are just amused by his cluelessness. You can pick that up with the dems like Hillary, Biden, Dodd. They clearly chided Obama for his cluelessness.

Why do you go to such an extent to avoid a straighforward understanding of his answers? Are you saying that dems like Hillary, Biden, and Dodd were misrepresenting his answer?

I agree Pub. These guys bl... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:

I agree Pub. These guys blow everything out of proportion. Bush and Hillary have both said they would launch an attack into Pakistan for a target of opportunity, and nobody says a word, but Obama says the same, and oh my god!

I think it is refreshing to have a candidate be honest about the realities of the world we live in.


Barney, I am getting to the... (Below threshold)
Zelsdorf Ragshaft III:

Barney, I am getting to the discourse a little late, but here is how the threat of nuclear weapons deter suicide bombers. We notify the Islamic world that if we are attacked by their kamakazis we will turn Mecca and Medina in to glass using 20 megaton warheads thickly coated in lard. The detonation of which would put x parts per million of pig fat into the atmosphere. Muslims would not be able to breath and go to heaven. Cleaver, huh?

Barney, Thanks for ... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

Barney,
Thanks for showing your trade-mark distraction effort again. Go pick that up with other dems about Obama. But we know how much you are really interested in an honest discussion here.

Ragshaft:1-That ma... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:

Ragshaft:

1-That makes no sense

2-Mecca and Medina are not al Qaeda camps, nor is it in Pakistan, so Obama's statement would not apply to that situation

Barney, No need to s... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

Barney,
No need to spin again. Zel just answered your generic question. If you don't understand Zel 's answer, then it tells me you really don't understand the issue. I let Zel explain to you. If you don't think it is a good idea, then please tell us what you or Obama would do when the terrorists nuke a city in the West or Is.

Tell me again how the threat of a Nuke strike is a deterrent against suicide bombers?

Brave Sir Robin, please see... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:

Brave Sir Robin, please see 37

RE comment #37:<em... (Below threshold)
marc:

RE comment #37:

If al Qaeda detonated a nuke on the West what are we going to do Nuke Afghanistan, Iraq and Pakistan because al Qaeda is there, or should we Nuke the nation that supplied al Qaeda with the Nuke?

How about ALL options are ON THE TABLE in that case?

If it can be found they obtained the weapon via a "State" all bets are off.

"Let me scratch that."</... (Below threshold)
LAB:

"Let me scratch that."

That's the Kiss Of Death, right there. If he's not focused during a news conference as to what stance he takes on fighting terrorism, people will now assume this backpeddle speak is a front to appeal to both sides. First, his concern is "civilians". Then he's thinking, "Uh oh, that didn't sound right. Let me regroup and reiterate." At this point, he wouldn't even make a good VEEP for Hillary.

Everyone here except the tr... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

Everyone here except the trolls and Obama droolers know what he meant. He is for invading an Ally that has nuclear weapondry. If Pakistan gets pissed off and nuke us or an ally in response to that invasion, Obama won't do anything. You gotta love this guy. He makes me laugh daily. I saw him in the senate today and Lott brought up a point of order while Obama wanted to say something, and he looked like a deer caught in headlights. He is not very smart. Just well packaged. He is Dan Quayle lite.

Pakistan officially protested Obama's statements. Way to go. Treat the ally like crap but talk nice to the enemies. That is the democratic way. ww

If al Qaeda detonated a nuk... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

If al Qaeda detonated a nuke on the West what are we going to do Nuke Afghanistan, Iraq and Pakistan because al Qaeda is there, or should we Nuke the nation that supplied al Qaeda with the Nuke?
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So you are only interested in nuking American allies now?

How about Mecca (the terrorists' holy site) and Iran? Somehow you don't want to nuke Iran. Is it because it is an avowed enemy of America?

What really happened here i... (Below threshold)
C-C-G Author Profile Page:

What really happened here is this:

- Obama pissed off the hard-core anti-war lefties yesterday with his comment about unilaterally invading another nation.

- Today, to placate the hard-core lefties, he promises never to use nukes (which lefties fear more than another George W. Bush Presidency).

In short, this is a ploy to become the darling of the left again.

And the way Barney is defending Obama now, it seems to have worked.

Brave Sir Robin, when you h... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:

Brave Sir Robin, when you had a chance to fight for your country you ran away. When it comes to protecting America why should we listen to you?

Brave Sir Robin, w... (Below threshold)
C-C-G Author Profile Page:
Brave Sir Robin, when you had a chance to fight for your country you ran away. When it comes to protecting America why should we listen to you?

Barney, did Mrs. Clinton ever serve?

How about Mr. Obama?

How about Mr. Edwards?

Why should we listen to them, according to your own statement?

By Barney's standards, the ... (Below threshold)

By Barney's standards, the only person he should be listening to is President Bush.

Gotta wonder about Barney's... (Below threshold)
C-C-G Author Profile Page:

Gotta wonder about Barney's intellectual capacity, if he couldn't see that the same charge leveled against you, Robin, could just as easily be leveled against the three Dhimmicrat frontrunners.

There is a big difference b... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:

There is a big difference between serving and running away from your country. You see Brave Sir Robin is Vietnamese and he chose to flee his country instead of fighting for it.

The French formed a resistance against the NAZI. The Afghans formed a resistance against the Soviets. I would defend my country to my death. Brave Sir Robin choose to run.

Now tell me why we should listen to Brave Sir Robin?

I ask again, Barney, why we... (Below threshold)
C-C-G Author Profile Page:

I ask again, Barney, why we should listen to the three Dhimmicrat frontrunners when none of them has ever served a day in the armed forces?

You can't evade the question, I won't let you. So either vacate the thread or answer it.

ccg, it looks like none of ... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:

ccg, it looks like none of the front runners served. I wonder if this has happened before, but that is not what I am writing about.

Would you trust someone that fled his country under attack and occupation? Would you run away from the US if it was invaded and conquered by a foreign power, or would fight in the resistance? Would trust someone that did run?

Those are the questions.

BarneyG, I'd just as soon y... (Below threshold)

BarneyG, I'd just as soon you ran away now as have to listen to your useless drivel. Essentially, I'd rather have empty space on either side of me than you if it came to defending anything. That would be preferable to having to put up with your BS until such time as defending is required.

I am just applying your own... (Below threshold)
C-C-G Author Profile Page:

I am just applying your own measure to the candidates you support, Barney.

Answer the question. If you say we should not listen to Robin because he never served, why would you say we should listen to Clinton, Obama, or Edwards?

Barney's cheap namecalling ... (Below threshold)

Barney's cheap namecalling is getting very old.

Robin, it was old from Day ... (Below threshold)
C-C-G Author Profile Page:

Robin, it was old from Day One.

Yeah, Robin should have sta... (Below threshold)

Yeah, Robin should have stayed and fought in the resistance against a brutal communist government that over ran the south after the feckless democrat led Congress cut the funding for military aid to that country, ensuring it's ultimate overthrow.

I'm having great difficulty... (Below threshold)

I'm having great difficulty understanding why anyone even responds to G2000. He throws out the bait and everyone goes after it. Just ignore him, like you would any other logic-challenged person.

True to form, Barney resort... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

True to form, Barney resorted to personal and adhominen attacks when he runs out of arg. That 's what I expect from Barney. Using Barney 's standards, he lied when he said he is interested in an honest discussion.

BArney, you have proven yourself a perfect example of the intellectual corruption of the liberal left. You are only interested in dishonest spin. When caught, you simply resorted to personal attacks.

I think Mike is right. Barn... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

I think Mike is right. Barney is a full-fledged members of dishonest spinners like Brian, Jim, JFO etc... We spent enough time to show that he is a dishonest spinner.

My comments were never dire... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:

My comments were never directed towards Robin Roberts, and I never said they were. The true Brave Sir Robin has finally spoken.

Can I support a candidate that has not served? I guess we are all in that boat.

We spent enough ti... (Below threshold)
C-C-G Author Profile Page:
We spent enough time to show that he is a dishonest spinner.

...and enough time to get a few good laughs out of his desperate attempt to cover his own stupid statement.

I will be awaiting my apolo... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:

I will be awaiting my apology from al those that accused me of libeling Robin Roberts. That includes CCg, RR and John in Ca.

Yup, Barney has run out of ... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

Yup, Barney has run out of args. So finally he has to resort to personal attacks. He has been caught in dishonest spins in the last few days.

Oops, I will bookmark this ... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

Oops, I will bookmark this thread so that I won't have to search for it later.

Barney, your reading compre... (Below threshold)

Barney, your reading comprehension is not getting any higher. And your chances of an apology from me could not be lower.

I will repeat, your cheap namecalling, no matter who it is intended for, got very old long ago. Time for you to grow up.

Would you trust someone tha... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

Would you trust someone that fled his country under attack and occupation? Would you run away from the US if it was invaded and conquered by a foreign power, or would fight in the resistance? Would trust someone that did run?
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What Barney wants is this: he wants withdraw our troops from Iraq, cut-off the funding to the Iraqui people, and let them fend themselves against the terrorists and their sponsors in Iran for example. Basically, Barney want to have a bigger genocide in Iraq compared to VN. Then he can mock the people who fled from Iraq for not staying behind to be a genocide victim of his bankrupt ideology.

That 's what BArney want. Yikes.

The Afghans formed a resist... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

The Afghans formed a resistance against the Soviets. I would defend my country to my death.
-------------------------------------You are simply lying given your dihsonesty on this thread. Oops, It thought you criticized Reagan for aiding the Afghans. You cannot be even honest within one sentence.

You should know (first hand... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:

You should know (first hand) lovie. Now goodnight, it is time for the Daily Show.

You should know (first hand... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

You should know (first hand) lovie. Now goodnight, it is time for the Daily Show.
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Barney, just follow the logic of your argument as usual. Again, you don't seem to like your logic.

"I would defend my country ... (Below threshold)
Ran:

"I would defend my country to my death." If Barney was all I had for backup, keep the motor running!.. I'll be right behind you!

This thread started with an... (Below threshold)
Rich:

This thread started with and was about Obama's comments. I was hoping to get some insight into it from the group here,but it seems the thread is really about Barney. All Barney. How pathetic. No wonder they hang around. It is like a moment of celebrity. A day of fame and glory for Barney who has a whole thread centered on just him. Maybe it should be Barney Derangement Syndrome. Or is that just a little extra badge to pin on his chest.

I haven't read any of the p... (Below threshold)
-S-:

I haven't read any of the previous comments (yet), but after reading the news about this latest from Obama followed by Hillary's latest Obama-sniping, I think it's a reasonable conclusion that Obama is the fallguy for the Clinton's ramming politics. Without Obama, Hillary would have no moments to stand on top of him, commanding him to "heel."

Not that I'd vote for either of them. But Obama is proving to be a useful tool (if not fool) for the Clinton scorched-earth method.

Obama will certainly not be... (Below threshold)

Obama will certainly not be winning the Democratic this February. Hillary Clinton, all but has that wrapped up, although not my choice by any means. But a president cannot wisely close down any military option although prevention of a new arms race and Cold War with Russia and continued peace with China is very important.

But a president ca... (Below threshold)
C-C-G Author Profile Page:
But a president cannot wisely close down any military option

You mean like invading a nation that has failed to live up to its cease-fire agreements from a previous armed conflict? A nation that thumbed its nose at numerous UN resolutions?

And you mean we shouldn't "close down military options" like protecting said nation from an influx of foreigners who are just there to push that nation into chaos?

C-C-G. There's 191 nations ... (Below threshold)

C-C-G. There's 191 nations in the world. All military options need to be kept open in the event that any of them becomes a legitimate threat to U.S. interests or allies by a president. But that also involves the duty to plan for a short and successful use of military force when called for, and not one that results in a quagmire or a clear defeat such as the American experience in Vietnam,Lebanon or Somalia, or possiby in Iraq. A U.S. military loss hurts the U.S. image as invincible.

Military action is not in itself a bad thing as long as it succeeds. But if it fails, then U.S. interests really suffer.

But if it fails, t... (Below threshold)
C-C-G Author Profile Page:
But if it fails, then U.S. interests really suffer.

Ahh, then you'll tell Congressional Democrats to quit trying to pass legislation that would, say, cut funding for the troops, impose restrictions on who can be sent over to fight, or set an arbitrary date for our withdrawal (surrendering the territory to the enemy).

Cause we don't want American interests to suffer because of a failure in Iraq, especially a failure caused by politicians in DC.

Naw with AL GORE he could b... (Below threshold)
spurwing plover:

Naw with AL GORE he could bore the iranians to sleep




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