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Murtha stands mute

When the first news came out about a possible incident at Haditha in Iraq, Rep. John Murtha couldn't wait to proclaim the Marines involved guilty of murder (before any investigation). Now, with charges being summarily dropped against two of those Marines, Capt. Randy Stone and LCpl. Justin Sharratt, Murtha can't muster a comment - much less an apology.

Gary Gross of Let Freedom Ring tried, though:


Undeterred, I asked why they were taking this approach. The woman essentially gave a 'no comment' answer. I said that I'd keep checking back until Rep. Murtha did make a statement, to which she replied "That's just fine, Sir." before hanging up on me a second time.

Murtha's staffer is essentially taking an indefensible position because Rep. Murtha has repeatedly made irresponsible and indefensible statements about these Marines. This highlights an obvious double standard on Murtha's behalf. He didn't think twice about making these unfounded accusations while the initial NCIS investigation was being conducted but he won't say a word now when two of the men he accused of cold-blooded murder have been totally exonerated.


Read the whole story of Gross' attempts to get a comment from Murtha at the link above.

At the time he made the sweeping accusations, the idea of a "war crime in Iraq" fit perfectly with Murtha's "redeploy to Okinawa" concept. He wasn't worried about the consequences for the individual Marines then, so he can claim consistency in not caring now. Besides, he is probably too busy plotting more secret earmarks to benefit his cronies to follow the case.

Yeah, that's the ticket.


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Is it just me, or are thing... (Below threshold)

Is it just me, or are things going really, really badly for the Democrats?

Just read down the front page here, it's like a litany of death knells for liberal Democrats - bad news (for them) on global warming, bad news (for them) on the fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan, bad news (for them) on evolution-as-undebatable-theory, bad news (for them) on the economy, bad news (for them) on powers to hunt down terrorists, bad news (for them) on mainstreaming illegal aliens...

If only there were a competent GOP to take advantage of it...

Golly all this bad news tha... (Below threshold)
Ali:

Golly all this bad news that Democrats apparently should pretend is real and the Republican Party is splitting faster than the ends of my hair. If the Democrats have 'bad news', the Republicans must be facing Armageddon. I can't help but to be giddy that the insane 15% or so that support Dick Cheney wake up to horrible news everyday, and must be very grumpy people who have to grasp at straws to feel good about themselves =(

As far as your comment goes... (Below threshold)
Ali:

As far as your comment goes: "When the first news came out about a possible incident at Haditha in Iraq, Rep. John Murtha couldn't wait to proclaim the Marines involved guilty of murder", could you possibly provide a link to backup your statement? I would LOVE to see it. Unfortunately, we both know you can't =(

The only quotes of significance I have been able to bring up that would even remotely backup your allegation from Rep. Murtha are:

"I know there was a cover-up someplace. They knew about this a few days afterwards and there's no question the chain of command tried to stifle the story. I can understand why, but that doesn't excuse it. Something like this has to be brought out to the public, and the people have to be punished."

How this would come to mean that Murtha claimed all of the alleged marines are guilty as charged, well that's beyond anyone with a high school education. However, we do know that the extreme right wing does compose mostly of undereducated, illogical, scared, and frankly cultish individuals.

Falze,Like Bernie ... (Below threshold)

Falze,

Like Bernie Goldbergs book title says, "Crazies to the Left of Me, WHIMPS to the Right". Mytha should have been brought up on charges of sedition when he first started spewing his hate filled lies, but in America today, it is only okay to say spurious things about our best in who serve. It is not okay however, to say truthful things about people who "are only excercising their first amendment rights".

We are in an insane, upside down world where it is becoming increasingly easier to see "The end is ny" bunches point of view. God halp us.

Ali ..., what?... (Below threshold)
yo:

Ali ...,

what?

Ali is a liar and a tool yo... (Below threshold)

Ali is a liar and a tool yo, don't waste your time getting into a back and forth with another self-hating, future victim of autoerotic asphyxiation. He'll only soil his screen.

Hey, Ali - you just weren't... (Below threshold)
yo:

Hey, Ali - you just weren't looking:

"Our troops overreacted because of the pressure on them, and they killed innocent civilians in cold blood,"

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2006/05/18/murtha/index.html

Keep reading:

"'All the information I get, it comes from the commanders, it comes from people who know what they are talking about." Although Murtha said that he had not read any investigative reports by the military on the incident, he stressed, "It's much worse than reported in Time magazine."

And this:

"There was no firefight," he said. "There was no IED [improvised explosive device] that killed these people."


And then ... :

"These guys are under tremendous strain -- more strain than I can conceive of -- and this strain has caused them to crack under situations like this," Murtha said.

Argh, too late...... (Below threshold)

Argh, too late...

Falze, you're right, things... (Below threshold)
Jo:

Falze, you're right, things are going really, really bad for the democrats.

Speaking of Murtha, first he's humiliated with Haditha and on Hannity & Colmes last night they played a clip where he was humiliated on the floor of the House when someone questioned some earmarks, and he went all defensive & wobbly.

What a lightweight. Of course the libs worship him. But they're all idiots.

Pudge, caught ya', too late... (Below threshold)
yo:

Pudge, caught ya', too late.

But the "Massacre in Hadith... (Below threshold)
Dave:

But the "Massacre in Haditha" line still stands in the minds of liberals. By him acknowledging it now removes that as a "tragedy" in the minds of liberals. By keeping quiet, the libs think they have more ammo, even if they are dead wrong. Where's Lee when we need someone to argue something thats inarguable?

Murtha is a disgraceful exc... (Below threshold)
Les Nessman:

Murtha is a disgraceful excuse for a human being. He should have kept his ignorant mouth shut when this story started. I think his actions warrant his ouster from Congress.

Having said that, there are still other Marines on trial for this incident. At this point, I don't think they are guilty. If they are indeed guilty though, they should face the maximum punishment for such a horrible crime.

Murtha owes the Marines in general, and these specific Marines who have just been cleared an apology. If the other Marines are cleared too, then he owes everyone an apology and should resign from office, or be thrown out by the rest of Congress.

The thing about Liberals is... (Below threshold)
Mitchell:

The thing about Liberals is that they would follow a stupid oaf like Murtha, even after his idiotic statements about redeploying to Japan, and after having been led astray by the asshat that is Kerry, they still cling to this idea that by virtue of their service in Vietnam, these guys are true leaders.

Hell, Benedict Arnold was a military man. C'mon.

Repubs. may have bungled some of Iraq, but God help us if the clueless Dims. are allowed to "manage" it or any other military conflict. You ain't seen true incompetency yet until that happens.

Jo:Murtha's a ligh... (Below threshold)
Mark L:

Jo:

Murtha's a lightweight? Who knew? He looks too much like the type that eats at too many buffets to be considered an lightweight.

To me he brings to mind the image of a large herbiviourous dinosaur -- the same plodding pace, the same tiny brain requiring an auxilliary located at the fundament.

"The thing about Liberal... (Below threshold)
P. Bunyan:

"The thing about Liberals is that they would follow a stupid oaf like Murtha"

I can't argue that he isn't a stupid oaf, but he is the best they can come up with...

Murtha owes the Ma... (Below threshold)
Murtha owes the Marines in general, and these specific Marines who have just been cleared an apology. If the other Marines are cleared too, then he owes everyone an apology and should resign from office, or be thrown out by the rest of Congress.

It seems the only way to get rid of Murtha is for him to resign or be kicked out by his colleagues. Don't count on either of them happening.

The scum couldn't even get voted out in his district this last election after all of his antics. If nothing else his challenger, Diana Irey, would have been easier to look at.

I guess when half of the things in your district are named for you, it's easier to keep people voting for you.

Murtha--Nifonged!</p... (Below threshold)
pibill:


Murtha--Nifonged!

Is your only link to "Let F... (Below threshold)
jp2:

Is your only link to "Let Freedom Ring?" Keep working.

Maybe I'm behind on this - but isn't this how it goes? Feel free to correct:

-24 people killed, including woman and children

-Investigation delayed until Time magazine report.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/01/05/AR2007010502248_pf.html

-Investigating Col. states: "The reporting of the incident up the chain of command was inaccurate and untimely."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5033648.stm

-More investigations launched. Soldiers testify:
-"Dela Cruz told investigators that he pumped bullets into the bodies of the Iraqi men after they were on the ground and later urinated on one of them."
-5 Iraqis shot attempting to surrender

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/01/05/AR2007010502248_pf.html

-Now immunity is given and charges are dropped against some of the involved soldiers.

And you save your vileness for Murtha? The military themselves - including the soldiers involved in the killings - state that it was murder and that it was not properly investigated and reported.

What am I missing? What is Murtha saying that did not come out in court by the soldiers?


"I fired because I had been... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:

"I fired because I had been told the house was hostile and I was following my training that all individuals in a hostile house are to be shot," Mendoza told investigators. The Marines then entered the house and tossed grenades before firing into a back bedroom, which they later found was filled with women and children.

Just an honest mistake. They would have been killed by Saddam anyways.

Last two posts--poor dumb s... (Below threshold)
Mitchell:

Last two posts--poor dumb sob's don't get it, do they?

Oh well, it's just Barney.

Lord knows those kids would... (Below threshold)
GianiD:

Lord knows those kids would never have drawn a breath in the US, libs would have just helped abort them.

Over 3500 innocent babies are murdered daily, and the moonbats still claim to care about lives??

"Jackson, Shumate, five oth... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:

"Jackson, Shumate, five other Marines and a Navy corpsman kidnapped and killed a man in Hamdaniya, Iraq, on April 26, 2006. They snatched the victim from his bed, took him to a roadside hole, bound him and killed him with a barrage of bullets.

Afterward, the squad tried to disguise the killing as a firefight between U.S. troops and an insurgent trying to plant a bomb."

...

"Five of the defendants finalized plea agreements with the government, receiving prison terms of one to eight years. Four of them - Jackson, Shumate, Pvt. John Jodka III and Hospitalman Melson Bacos - had left prison as of yesterday. Jodka was a private first class and Bacos was a petty officer third class before their demotions.

The remaining Hamdaniya defendants went through courts-martial.

Two of them - Cpls. Trent Thomas and Marshall Magincalda - were demoted to the rank of private and released from the brig at the end of their trials. Each had spent about 450 days in prison by then."


So six of the eight are all out of the brig with only two serving as much as a year and half. Were is the outrage from you guys?

"What am I missing? What is... (Below threshold)
RobLACal.:

"What am I missing? What is Murtha saying that did not come out in court by the soldiers?"

He is say the same thing all democrat jackals are saying. And the result of their feinding for political power can be read here...

http://www.capveterans.com/jack_cunningham/id39.html


"To be brief, your words are killing us."

The problem with the Criminal Democrats is that they would rather pretend they are right than to be American. Treason has now been added to the despicable democrat playbook thanks to jimmy carter having pardoned all the traitors like John Fraud Kerry and his Anti-War/American pukes. This is why the Rats lie at will and betray their Country .They never get properly punished for their crimes if at all. These lying cry babies need to have the shit spanked out of them.

Barney, you f'n idiot, this... (Below threshold)
Mitchell:

Barney, you f'n idiot, this is about Haditha, not Hamdaniya, which is a different place entirely.

As I said before, poor dumb sob.

barneyGRUBBLE:... (Below threshold)
marc:

barneyGRUBBLE:

So six of the eight are all out of the brig with only two serving as much as a year and half. Were is the outrage from you guys?

Did Murtha call them "cold blooded killers?

Oh wait... I get it GRUBBLE's got nothing so off he goes on a tangent.

BTW "Ali:""we do k... (Below threshold)
marc:

BTW "Ali:"

"we do know that the extreme far left wing does compose mostly of undereducated, illogical, scared, and frankly cultish individuals."

Such as Rep[rehensible Murtha in stating, "Our troops overreacted because of the pressure on them and they killed innocent civilians in cold blood."

Now, what were you saying "Ali?"

ASSHAT

mitch and marc, my point is... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:

mitch and marc, my point is after Tillman, Lynch, Abu Gharib, and Hamdaniya it looks like the military in more concerned with cover-ups and sweeping "problems" under the rug than justice.

Come on! You got eight guys that participated in premeditated murder and only two get any kind of appreciable time?

Your "point" is located und... (Below threshold)
marc:

Your "point" is located under your hat barney, as usual.

NOW, what do you have to say about Murtha's silence?

Barney, if I say the weathe... (Below threshold)
C-C-G Author Profile Page:

Barney, if I say the weather is hot in Spokane, will you start talking about how it's raining in Moorehead City, NC?

That's about as much sense as your comments make.

We're talking about a specific incident in a specific town, and you're dragging in enough red herrings for fish night at the local Catholic church.

You may think you're getting away with something clever, but all you're really doing is giving us all a clear indication of your lack of intellectual prowess.

after Tillman, Lyn... (Below threshold)
after Tillman, Lynch, Abu Gharib, and Hamdaniya it looks like the military in more concerned with cover-ups and sweeping "problems" under the rug than justice.

That's because we know that every incident like that will be used as a club to beat someone over the head.

All the BDS'ers, anti-war whackos, liberals, elected democratic and driveby media will put them in their quiver to defame, libel, smear and denigrate the military and the Iraq War.

Why? Because they all share the same lack of reason you do barneyG.

jp2:Wha... (Below threshold)
marc:

jp2:


What am I missing? What is Murtha saying that did not come out in court by the soldiers?

Ummm, maybe the fact (here you need the help) what Rep[rehensible]Murtha said was uttered before the investigation was complete and before the trial even started!

His words were based on thin air and an extreme ideology nothing more.

But many of us understand your position, you place yourself on that same rather shaky pedestal on occasion.

All six cases have one thin... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:

All six cases have one thing in common and that is the Pentagon. You can not deny a patter exists, so you can not expect the establishment to produce justice!

"Come on! You got eight guy... (Below threshold)
yo:

"Come on! You got eight guys that participated in premeditated murder and only two get any kind of appreciable time?"

That's not the point. The point is that Murtha denied all 8 of them ANY sort of due process (you're familiar with that, right? That pesky Constitution thing the left continues to argue that Bush ignores).

Where does Murtha get off declaring them guilty prior to trial?

Tell me that.

G'won. 'splain to me how that is not the shittiest thing ANYone could do - especially a Congressman.

Murtha used this issue, prior to any/all facts coming in/prior to any sort of trial, to declare their guilt before the world - and now, oh! OOOhhh! Some of them aren't guilty, at all!

Tell me, Barney - how is that not wrong?

How is it that a congressman, a member of the legislative branch, can act as judge and jury in a situation like this - if EVER (see: Civics 101)?

Easy. He's full of shit and was resting his anti-war platform squarely on the backs of members of the branch of service that Murtha is supposedly a proud member of.

If you think Nifong is a creep and need your hand held to understand the obvious shittiness at play with Murtha, you are beyond helpless.

Put your partisan BS aside and call shit for what it is.

You'll notice that when Foley was busted, he caught flack from the right, as well.

I would charge you with TWO glaring examples of hypocrisy.

Then again, we're used to that from the Left. F**K the troops in order to push along our policies.

Like I've said before, the Left love to toss the troops (and the American people) under the bus just so they can jump in and pretend to save them, and then blaming someone else, anyone else for putting them in danger in the first place.

You, sir - are full of shit.

BarneyG2000: Living proof o... (Below threshold)
C-C-G Author Profile Page:

BarneyG2000: Living proof of lefty brainwashing.

C-C-G:BarneyG2... (Below threshold)
marc:

C-C-G:

BarneyG2000: Living proof of lefty brainwashing.

Are you sure it's not "fossil proof," or something akin to the Petrified Forest?

BTW barney, I posted this on another thread but in the oft chance you didn't see it here it is again.

Eat more Blueberries it might help what ails you.

"Ummm, maybe the fact (here... (Below threshold)
jp2:

"Ummm, maybe the fact (here you need the help) what Rep[rehensible]Murtha said was uttered before the investigation was complete and before the trial even started!"

So - you are upset that he made comments before a trial had taken place? Is that the just of it?

Understandable.

Was he right about the murder and cover-up?

Yo, nice rant. You are an ... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:

Yo, nice rant. You are an idiot! Good display of you intellectual and comprehension abilities.

Ha Ha

"Was he right about the mur... (Below threshold)
yo:

"Was he right about the murder and cover-up?"

Obviously not, if some of these "poor" souls who were pushed to the brink aren't guilty.

Y'know ...? Even if he were, it's still unConstitutional.

Tell me I'm wrong. G'head. Find some way to spin the denial of due process as having the ends justify the means.


And, BG ..., you want an intelligent response? You want something worthy of you?

Here ya' go:

..|.,

All six cases have... (Below threshold)
C-C-G Author Profile Page:
All six cases have one thing in common and that is the Pentagon.

The same Pentagon that the lefties want to put in charge of things in Darfur?

The same Pentagon the lefties want to lead Obama's attack on Pakistan?

Forgot about those, didn't ya, dimwit Barney?

Yo -You avoid well... (Below threshold)
jp2:

Yo -

You avoid well.

Was there a murder and was there a cover-up in Haditha?

I understand people being upset about his comments, I'm just trying to understand if you (in a generic sense) think he was right.

JP2, were you, or Google th... (Below threshold)
Ran:

JP2, were you, or Google there? I mean ON THE GROUND! hell no. you haven't a clue what happened. neither was murtha. I love how you guys volunteer to be the "Moral Judges" from the comfort of your PCs.

Thanks for the validation Y... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:

Thanks for the validation Yo. You made my night.

jp, dosn't matter if he was... (Below threshold)
yo:

jp, dosn't matter if he was right (which he wasn't), or not - on the case - pre-judging is wrong. Period.

Barny - go validate yourself champ. Use lotion, though. You don't want to chafe.

Hmmm... Barney avoided my P... (Below threshold)
C-C-G Author Profile Page:

Hmmm... Barney avoided my Pentagon comments.

All those that are surprised, stand on your head...

ccg, the military does one ... (Below threshold)
barneyG2000:

ccg, the military does one thing very and that is to follow orders.

Enough said!

Oh, so now you're saying th... (Below threshold)
C-C-G Author Profile Page:

Oh, so now you're saying that they were ordered to commit the alleged crimes you're referring to?

Go on, Barney, dig that hole a little deeper, why don't ya?

the military does ... (Below threshold)
the military does one thing very and that is to follow orders.

barneyG, are you saying the only thing (the ONE thing) the military does well is follow orders?

I would say it's more than one thing. Just from the little bit I know, of course.

Now C C G you know barneygo... (Below threshold)
jhow66:

Now C C G you know barneygoogle is a pollock-he can't figure which end of the shovel to use.

Again, Google, this from ex... (Below threshold)
Ran:

Again, Google, this from experience here?

Oh, I dunno, jhow, he's don... (Below threshold)
C-C-G Author Profile Page:

Oh, I dunno, jhow, he's done a great job of digging himself a hole. He must be halfway to China by now.

Making Murtha a "Good littl... (Below threshold)
Ran:

Making Murtha a "Good little Dem soldier".. what an A$$wipe!

C'mon barney, there are a l... (Below threshold)

C'mon barney, there are a lot of questions here you've inspired. Don't you think they deserve some answers from you? I mean, you've leveled some disparaging allegations against the military. Don't you want to defend them?

Or are you just the useless leftist P.O.S. everyone knows you are?

"BINGO" John!... (Below threshold)
Ran:

"BINGO" John!

John, nice shot across Barn... (Below threshold)
C-C-G Author Profile Page:

John, nice shot across Barney's bow.

Next time, aim for the powder magazine, tho.

(John was in the Navy, he'll know what I mean... and I bet Barney won't!)

First Murtha stands mute, n... (Below threshold)

First Murtha stands mute, now Barney.

"I fired becaus... (Below threshold)
"I fired because I had been told the house was hostile and I was following my training that all individuals in a hostile house are to be shot," Mendoza told investigators. The Marines then entered the house and tossed grenades before firing into a back bedroom, which they later found was filled with women and children.

Humberto Mendoza's testimony has changed several times. It's also been contested by others in Kilo Company. It also doesn't match the intel report this patrol received before going out & his testimony doesn't match the visuals that Capt. Dinsmore got from the UAV monitoring the 8 hr. firefight that Murtha said didn't happen.

Furthermore, you need to read the detailed intel Jeffrey Dinsmore, Kilo Company's S2 intel officer, gave them. 4 known insurgents in a white care were killed by Justin Sharratt. Capt. Dinsmore's intel report told them that an insurgent attack would happen that night & that a "white car" would be part of the attack "after the IED explosion."

56. Posted by Gary Gross | ... (Below threshold)
yo:

56. Posted by Gary Gross | August 10, 2007 11:43 PM


Beer that man.

Beer that man.</bl... (Below threshold)
C-C-G Author Profile Page:
Beer that man.

I second that beer.

I can't surpass G Goss' pos... (Below threshold)
marc:

I can't surpass G Goss' post, it's devastating.

However, I have one last question (unanswered I know) for barneyGRUBBLE:

Considering Rep[rehensible] Murtha is a public servent who is paid with all our tax dollars could you explain why his congressional office so abruptly hung up when asked about the 3 Haditha Marines being cleared of all charges?

I mean let's face it, months ago Murtha was all over God's green acre bellowing like a cow in labor with a breach birth. (the mental pic fit murtha doesn't it?)

And now, nothing but a total lack of courtesy.

BTW, this timeline is excellent and displays how Murtha's story changed as various "facts" came out, murtha facts not REAL FACTS like one hears in a courtroom.

Considering Rep[re... (Below threshold)
Considering Rep[rehensible] Murtha is a public servent who is paid with all our tax dollars could you explain why his congressional office so abruptly hung up when asked about the 3 Haditha Marines being cleared of all charges?

That pay includes the $150 million in defense appropriations he's earmarked for his district, which helps to perpetuate his continued election.

I wonder how much of that $150 million is going to actually benefit the military that Murtha is so concerned about being broken.

BTW, anyone seen "<a href="... (Below threshold)
marc:

BTW, anyone seen "Ali." lately?




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