As far as they're concerned we're just a blow up punching bag. Sad to think they might be right.

Wow, how dare anyone stand against us for their own interests, exerting power and influence in their own region against our wishes.

My goodness, "Reagan," it certainly sounds as if you feel the acts of war perpetrated against us by the Iranian regime and their surrogates were fully justified.

Feel free to expand upon your thoughts.

I have a message for Iran's Revolutionary Guards and Ackmahdinnerjacket:

We'll be coming over the horizon when we come
We'll be coming over the horizon when we come
Ohhh, We'll be coming over the horizon
We'll be coming over the horizon
We'll be coming over the horizon when we come

We'll be driving Abrams tanks when we come
We'll be driving Abrams tanks when we come
Ohhhh, We'll be driving Abrams tanks
We'll be driving Abrams tanks
We'll be driving Abrams tanks when we come

We'll be dropping bombs from B-1s when we come
We'll be dropping bombs from B-1s when we come
Ohhhh, We'll be dropping bombs from B-1s
We'll be dropping bombs from B-1s
We'll be dropping bombs from B-1s when we come

We'll be flying stealthy Raptors when we come
We'll be flying stealthy Raptors when we come
Ohhhh, We'll be flying stealthy Raptors
We'll be flying stealthy Raptors
We'll be flying stealthy Raptors when we come

We'll be launching Tomahawks when we come
We'll be launching Tomahawks when we come
Ohhhh, We'll be launching Tomahawks
We'll be launching Tomahawks
We'll be launching Tomahawks when we come

There'll be carrier battle groups when we come
There'll be carrier battle groups when we come
Ohhhh, there'll be carrier battle groups
There'll be carrier battle groups
There'll be carrier battle groups when we come

We'll bring the world's best Army when we come
We'll bring the world's best Army when we come
Ohhh, we'll bring the world's best Army
We'll bring the world's best Army
We'll bring the world's best Army when we come

You'll think the fist of allah hit you when we come
You'll think the fist of allah hit you when we come
Ohhhh, you'll think the fist of allah
You'll think the fist of allah
You'll think the fist of allah hit you when we come

Iran's Revolutionary Guards have always been a somewhat of a renegade group who I suspect operate much of the time on there own without Tehran's complete approval.

I spent many thousands of hours patrolling with the US and Allied Maritime Interception Force. The MIF tracked and arrested if possible the smugglers of Iraqi oil during the sanctions regiem.

The smugglers would come out of the Shat-al-Arab and hug the Iranian coast all the way to the Straits of Hormuz then attempt to skate across to Oman of the UAE.

95 plus percent of the time the smugglers had obtained phony papers from the IRG, and not so incidentally, paid thousands of dollars for them and in some cases off loaded oil as payment.

John in CA

Of course you'll be at the head of the column, singing that song as you march in?

Bush's second mistake was stopping in Iraq. He should have had the military go through the whole mid east.

JFO, no he won't be at the head of the column, he is and always will be a armchair QB.

God these leftists love al-Qaeda and the Revolutionay Guards. What do they do when they fight each other.

The Revolutionary Guards hit an Israeli guided missle ship at the outset of last year's Lebanese mess. The Israelis initially claimed that the ship's missle detection and avoidance systems were turned off, yeah right, but later admitted they weren't calibrated for what the Guards threw at them. Wanta bet all that electronic interchange was looked over very carefully, by us?
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Good these right wingers love war. What do they do when they don't have someone they want killed?

Who wants people killed? Looks to me like radical Islam started this.
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You poor pitiful purblind fool.
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JFO

Of course you'll be at the head of the column, singing that song as you march in?

And of course JFO is johnny on the spot to add absolutely nothing.

Good these right wingers love war. What do they do when they don't have someone they want killed?

Dream about it.

kim:

Wanna bet all that electronic interchange was looked over very carefully, by us?

Wanna bet the info isn't needed? You have forgotten the U>S> has a 24 hour/365 day presence in the Gulf.

The Marine barracks in Lebanon was bombed while Reagen was president.

The Marine barracks in Lebanon was bombed while Reagen was president....and your point is?

True, marc, but my point is that I presume Israel and the US share some aspect of their electronic warfare, and the Guards were able to defeat that last year, at least once. Bet they can't anymore.
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not a nickels worth of difference between jfo, Allen and our very own "Reagan". trolls, 3 for a nickel!!

It is absolutely true that Iran has every right, as a sovererign nation, to pursue its national interests in whatever manner it chooses. That, or course, does not make either their "manner" of pursuing those interests...or the interests themselves...right!

When nations declare their interests in conflict with others, and then ACT on those conflicting interests, war is a very common result. In this case Iran has declared itself the rightful ruler of the Muslim world, which pretty much means the entire world by their definition (choose any handful of AhmaNutJob's speeches as evidence). And they have chosen the export of terrorism as their manner of acting on their self-described "interests".

All that said, it is OUR (and others) right to resist both the manner of Iran's actions and the declared intent of it: world domination.

As with Hitler (whom AhmaNutJob has declared innocent of any wrong-doing in WWII) the Iranians will continue to test for weakness and exploit it. Hitler didn't encounter true resistence to his lust for power until he reached the English Channel in the West and Stalingrad in the East.

It is well past time to provide Iran with at least a taste of the consequences of its actions. Well past.

JFO, I happen to know John in CA pretty well (he's my co-blogger on CCG).

I'm sure if he was here now he'd tell you where to shove your snide comments, in true Navy terminology, but since he isn't, and I am, I shall take the liberty of doing so myself.

If you'd bother to read his other comments, you'd find some interesting information. Such as the fact that he is retired from the Navy.

In short, he's done his service to the nation.

So let me ask you, what have you done for your nation, short of sitting around sniping on blogs?

Remember, it was a Democrat (and an honest-to-God Navy hero, unlike Lt. Kerry) who said, "Ask not what your country can do for you; ask what you can do for your country."

Yes, he was valiant after the wreck, but, had he not been a favored son, consequences would have led from the questions about negligence.
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"God these right wingers love war, what do they do when they dont want somebody killed?"

Protest outside the abortion murder mills moron..!

Driving a PT boat across in front of a battle ship and getting most of your crew killed is only classified as being a 'hero' if there is enough billions of dollars (bootlegging, criminal, money) involved. That was documented fact but is now 'revised' by the dollar history.

Careful now CCG, JFO claims he was a JAG officer!!!!! Talk about being a military and political strategy and tactics expert! WWWOOOWWW.

JFO is most definitely a jagoff.

Of course you'll be at the head of the column, singing that song as you march in?

Well, jfo, as a JAG, I'm sure you'd be right at my elbow making sure I abided by the too restrictive ROE and ensured I didn't violate any of the IRG's human rights.

As far as I'm concerned, the only right they have is to be dead. allah akbar!

Die for allah, m-f'er!

John in CA:

As far as I'm concerned, the only right they have is to be dead. allah akbar!

That should include the 50 IRG that are being tracked thru the streets of Baghdad at the moment.

After politically correct "torture" of course.

Jag?.. That a Pimp carrying a law book?

It's a well known "fact" in the surface navy (sorry John) that if in trouble and in need of a JAG choose one that is a member of the Marines.

The thinking was/is to play on the natural, although much overblown, navy/marine rivalry and the Marine JAG would work harder to stick it to the man, i.e. the Navy prosecutor.

Good these right wingers love war. What do they do when they don't have someone they want killed?

Hold rallies outside of a capital punishment execution to encourage an express lane policy.

When did it become less than treason to root for our enemies? Why is it not a traitorous act to make claims against the best interest of our Nation? While all Americans enjoy freedom of speech, if that speech is to advocate the defeat of our country in its struggles against those who wish us ill, there should be dire consequences.

CCG

We've been through this before. You've acknowledged you've done nothing for our country. And I doubt any vet would ever need your help with anything other than perhaps some self righteous quotes from the Bible. But then most vets wouldn't feel the need to prove his/her moral superiority as do you.

JFO, if you remember that we've been through this before, you should remember that I attempted to volunteer for the Navy and was turned down because of a disability.

I think you should look to the plank in your own eye before you complain about the mote in mine.

Then in that case we even harder with a haymaker POW RIGHT IN THE KISSER we hit back even harder becuase if they wake sleeping giant lets stomp iran into the ground

JFO:

And I doubt any vet would ever need your help with anything other than perhaps some self righteous quotes from the Bible.

This Vet disagrees.

And BTW, what have you done in this thread other than off topic snipes at others?

WEell I commented on your utterly,kinda off-topic, stupid attempt at a ditty. A ditty wasn't the topic. G0t it now?

CCG

Trying to get into the Navy isn't DOING anything for our country. I commend you for the attempt.

So, what have to done for our country CCG? There are legions of other things one can do even though one may have failed a physical. But then again you are quick with the Bible.

...And I doubt any vet would ever need your help with anything other than perhaps some self righteous quotes from the Bible.

jfo, I'd much rather have a non-vet like CCG supporting our military, than a self-righteous, supercilious, pompous a$$ such as you sniping at our efforts.

You contribute little. You snipe and run. You only take shots at people. You lay a turd and then run off, only to come back later, snipe, seagull a thread, then disappear as soon as you get return fire.

Next time you leave, please consider staying that way.

Oh, yeah. Nice chickenhawk ad hom you laid on me earlier today. Got anything to say about that now?

JFO, I preach the Gospel.

What have you done that is more important, or even as important as showing people the way to eternal life?

CCG

Good for you CCG. If only you practiced what you preach.

Yeah, and if you only practiced what HE preached, JFO...

Man, what an overbearing jerk you are. Isn't it nice to have people you can look down on? That way, you don't see just how small you are.

So, what have to done for our country CCG? There are legions of other things one can do even though one may have failed a physical.

C'mon jfo. Come clean. Your problem with ccg is that he's acknowledged that he's a Christian, isn't it? That's all you talk about. What is it with you? Did you take communion and the wine turned to vinegar or something?

You're just having self doubts about your relationship with God, aren't you jfo? Starting to worry that if you're wrong there is a special place in the after world for you? And it's HOT?

Why don't you lay off? You're making a fool of yourself. All you're doing is low-level Christian mocking. You're not certain enough to just come right out and say it, so you use soft targets and attack obliquely.

John in CA:

Sure I have something to say about it. Go lead the column. Stand up for what you so easily toss around. You've been to war. Go to war again. You want it. back it up.

I'm sick and tired of the utterly simplistic answer so many of you on the right have to an incredibly complex problem. And the simplistic responses to anyone who may disagree. Chickenhawk? I don't use that label. Never have, never will. Been called a traitor many times by folks here - most of them, like CCG, who haven't lifted a freaking finger to do a goddamn thing for this country.

You write an utterly stupid song/poem or whatever it is and you have the balls to criticize someone's response to it? That's a hoot.

John:

A response to your second comment. I went to Mass this morning as I do every Sunday. I don't wear my faith on my sleeve, nor do I preach to others about it, nor do I sanctimoniously quote the Bible in an attempt to demonstrate my moral superiority. particularly as does CCG - when he has been caught dissembling. Unlike CCG my relationship with God is between God and me.

Of course you'll be at the head of the column, singing that song as you march in?

6. Posted by JFO

You're right jfo. You didn't say chickenhawk, you intimated it. 'Cuz you don't have the 'nads to come right out and say it.

I'm sick and tired of the utterly simplistic answer so many of you on the right have to an incredibly complex problem.

And I'm tired of people like you taking simple problems and trying to make them something more complex than they are or need to be.

IMO, it's usually out of a need to install oneself as somehow more sophisticated and nuanced than us simple rubes.

In reality, making simple problems into complex issues has caused us more problems than they have solved.

Furthermore, ignoring simple problems, or diplomacizing them, only emboldens those who wish to harm us.

The only reason Iran and those yuthead IRG's are talking so tough is because they know it will cow people like you jfo. They don't need to lift a finger or fire a shot. All they have to do is talk you out of a fight.

You write an utterly stupid song/poem or whatever it is and you have the balls to criticize someone's response to it?

And you know why I did it jfo? I like it. Because it's played to rave reviews in the past. And I knew it would send someone like you or barney or nogo over the edge. So, it was all worth it.

Very mature - says a lot about you. You ought to seek guidance from CCG.

Very mature - says a lot about you.

psssssttttttssssttttt

That's all the air going out of jfo's balloon.

I should have known it - how I missed it I don't know. A simplistic answer to everything from a simpleton.

Enjoy your war(s). Make sure you pop a John Wayne flick in before going to bed.

JFO, when it comes to maturity, this thread is good evidence that you are sadly lacking in that department.

Enjoy your war(s). Make sure you pop a John Wayne flick in before going to bed.
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JFO is not anti-war as Bunyan pointed out. He is supporting the enemies waging war against America and our allies. He is simply against America waging war against our enemies.

simplistic answer to everything from a simpleton.
That 's what JFO does. He is simply here to distract the thread using his trade-mark insult.

A simplistic answer to everything from a simpleton.

I must ask. Is there anything more simplistic than believing if we just talked more to people who despise us, that will make them stop hating us?

Is there anything more simplistic than believing if we just talked more to people who despise us, that will make them stop hating us?
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Using JFO 's standard, can JFO go and talk with the AlQ terrorists in Iraq not to blow up more women/children there?

Looks like JFO is doing what BBC and the left has been doing

http://instapundit.com/archives2/008375.php

IT'S AS IF THEY REFLEXIVELY SIDE WITH THE ENEMIES OF WESTERN CIVILIZATION: "The BBC is in trouble today for once again allowing ugly antisemitic and anti-Christian slurs to remain posted at the BBC 5 message boards, while instantly deleting any criticism of Islam."

It saddens me the far right wing here still thinks more military action will solve anything. Indeed, chastising, attempting to humiliate Iran has so far worked wonders the last few decades too.

Iraq is going so well under the right wing, so sure, lets expand operations and invade yet another country. ( even though we can't as we've now run our military capacity to do much of anything into the ground, ) I'm sure in magic fantasy land it won't radicalize a rather liberal minded hugely young population to guarantee another generation will hate us and extend theocratic rule there a few more years.

Their president won't be there much longer, neither will ours. The Republicans, as per usual, have squandered the previous chances to help foster the aspirations for the Iranian people. Yup, pissing them off and reinforcing the old regimes fears is a much better way to go .

I assume the right wingers here are happy to let Turkey invade Iraq to stop the terrorist attacks on them also?

Young Persians and Iraqis don't hate us. You are wrong, Reagan.
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Kim, it must be nice living in the shielded bubble of only hearing what the govt press and US media want to tell you. Many vets who've been on the ground I speak to tell me differently to your bias view.

The travesty is yes, many Iranians don't yet hate us with the passion their ruling class does, ( mirroring our own stance ) but current policy, and that advocated by foolish machismo obsessed rightist will see then also go that way.

Remember, the Iraqis were going to welcome us as liberators, showering us with flowers. How naive do you really think people will continue to be?

You are wrong Kim. You have had more than 4 years to be proven right, and you're still grasping.

I say again, who on the right has no problem with Turkey invading Iraq to defend itself against the terror attacks launched upon it? Anyone? Or is hypocrisy all you really advocate?

"Reagan," do me a favor.

Go back in history and find where any Islamic terrorist uprising has been quelled in less than 10 years. Please include the Chechen rebels in Russia and the Albanians against their own Islamoterror group, at the very least.

Then look even further back in history and find out how long it took us to re-establish democracy in two nations who had already had some experience with democratic rule: Germany and Japan.

Then explain to me how, in light of the above, we are supposed to have completed the task in less than 5 years.

I suspect you'll not even bother, but just try to spin, spin, spin, tho.

"Reagan," do me a favor.

Go back in history and find where any Islamic terrorist uprising has been quelled in less than 10 years. Remember the Chechen rebels in Russia and the Albanians against their own Islamoterror group.

Then look even further back in history and find out how long it took us to re-establish democracy in two nations who had already had some experience with democratic rule: Germany and Japan.

Then explain to me how, in light of the above, we are supposed to have completed the task in less than 5 years.

I suspect you'll not even bother, but just try to spin, spin, spin, tho.

Oops, sorry for the multiple post. When I refreshed it wasn't there. :(

Reagan,
So in your view, you would rather have a genocide against the Jewish people in Israel and another genocide against the Iraqui people by the terrorists and their Iranian sponsors?
Is the Iraqui gov openly supports any terrorist group against Turkey as Iran is doing wrt Hezobollah and Hamas and AlQ?
How are you going to talk to AlQ to stop blowing up more women/children? Or what you are saying is that we should make a deal with them to leave alone if we let them massacre the Iraqui people (and the Jewish people)?

BTW, the immediate of the declaration of the Revolutionary Guard as the terrorist group is to put financial pressure on them first, ie to have the legal justification to freeze their assets and punish any companies doing business with them. I thought the left would be for this, but they are simply against Bush no matter what. Their BDS is so insane that they would rather side with the enemies than to agree with Bush!

No, you are wrong Reagan. Young Iraqis are happy to vote and that Saddam is gone. Young Iranians can't wait for the mullahs to lose their grip so they can rejoin the West again.

It's more than a little amusing to have you lay the source of my beliefs to 'government press and US media'. Funny, I get it from milblogs and political blogs. What you consider to be a controlled media has much the opposite bias. That's why you are sensitive plant in a shielded bubble.
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Trolls, and you know who you are, what do you suggest we do when threatened by the Iranian Revolutionary Guard to punch us for, at long last, placing them on the terrorist organization list? Just how many times must a nation commit acts of war against the USA before you yellow belly cowards think we should act?

Don't waste your time kim. "reagan" is a lying bit of bluff-fluff, and anything it says is calibrated to "mortify" on its interblogactic phazer. If there is a serious person out there, arguing from the left, he doesn't exist, because I've never seen him, and as any good lefty will tell, we are the center of the universe, so anything that we are unaware of, does not exist. Face it, a serious arguement from the left would actually be - Dut-Dut-Dut-Daaa!- from the right - by definition. So you see, allowing these people to think that they actually exist is the only thing that's keeping them around. Like a bunch of angry ghosts who refuse to accept the reality that they are dead, they keep clanging their chains and screaming, "Look at me! Listen to me, I am not a FOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL!" Just let 'em drift off into the ether - where they belong.

If however they amuse you, by all means, carry on. Making fools of the foolish is a well established American pastime, and one can't fault you for it. (if you've read my back and forth with LAB on another post here, please disregard the above, as it may appear to be hypocritical to the untrained eye) I really gotta proof myself more therowly, sheesh.

This is folly. Iran stands to lose so much with such little effort from us. You'd think they'd stow the bluster for half a minute and make an attempt reign in the IRG.

This is folly. Iran stands to lose so much with such little effort from us. You'd think they'd stow the bluster for half a minute and make an attempt reign in the IRG.

That presupposes that Ahmadinnerjacket is rational.

I haven't seen a lot of evidence of that.

This is folly. Iran stands to lose so much with such little effort from us. You'd think they'd stow the bluster for half a minute and make an attempt reign in the IRG.

Why should Iran reign in the IRG and stow the bluster? It works as a defense mechanism.

All they have to do is talk tough and play the victim and people like jfo and democrats come running to their defense.

Look at what's happening already. Democrats are already working to keep us from taking any military action against Iran.

So, for Iran, their best defense against an attack is bluster.

But then, why should the Iranians be afraid of US military might. After all, they have the stealth missile, Super duper flying stealth boat and the super fast killer torpedo.

How on Earth can we ever hope to defeat such super duper advanced technologically advanced weapons?

Didn't Iran's press agency also take credit for destroying a "US" destroyer with an old photo of an Australian target ship being destroyed in an Australian weapon test.

Yes, When nations declare their interests in conflict with others, and then ACT on those conflicting interests, war is a very common result. In this case Iran has declared itself the rightful ruler of the Muslim world, which pretty much means the entire world by their definition (choose any handful of AhmaNutJob's speeches as evidence).