How do know that Maliki is doing a good job? Because Bush said so!

Bush: "..he's the right guy for Iraq.."

And when has Bush ever been wrong?

Well Barney, by that form of testing you shouldn't bother posting since you've been more wrong than right.

Who do you trust? Wouldn't be the frequently wrong media would it?

Another way you know is that Bush and his administration think he isn't. But then who better to recognize a lousy government then the folks who run ours? They've kinda changed thier tune - but then what's surprising about that.

The latest NIE is telling, once again.

Talk about premature ejac....exclamation by the author of this thread. Read this.

Once again the right get it wrong.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/08/23/nie/index.html

JFO and BarneyG2000, I'll vote for your comments any day!

(Well I'm programmed to do so, but I prefer the illusion of choice.)

Funny how any good news from Iraq draws out the left to immediately poo-poo it, isn't it?

As always, good news for America is bad news for left, and they know it.

Jim,

I think it's been made plainly obvious that the usual suspects cannot stand even cautious optimism, especially when they've spent all their political captial on an American loss.

In this tread:
http://wizbangblog.com/content/2007/08/22/obama-nails-another-one.php#comment-637445

Lovie has come-up with the solution for the quagmire in Iraq. Lovie argues that the war was lost in Vietnam not because Nixon withdrew all the troops, but because Congress cut-off funding. He points out that "Military historians seem to be converging on a consensus that by the end of 1972, the balance of forces in Vietnam had improved considerably, increasing the prospects for South Vietnam's survival."

Therefore, the lesson to be applied is to pull all our forces out of Iraq, but to continue the funding (including advisers and logistical help). What is even better is that since Iraq has all that oil money we wouldn't need to supply much monetary support at all.

Thanks Lovie

You know, the lovely thing about BDS is that it is just such a reliable litmus test of leftist hypocrisy. All sorts of things a liberal, even a progressive, is supposed to support they twist into unrecognizability simply because Bush is executing it.

Why hasn't Carter declared that deposing a tyrant and bringing elections is a good thing?
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Absotootly, yep, a bang up job.

That's why the right wing machine is paying the powerful Republican lobbying group of Barbour Griffith & Rogers to supplant Maliki with ex PM Allawi.

Of course it has nothing to do with WP op ed in which Allawi argued that Iraq will descend into chaos unless Maliki is replaced as prime minister.

Naw, nothing like that. Even Bush doesn't know what is going on behind the closed doors of his own insurgent group of republicans working hard to try and keep everyone off balance by moving the chairs around on deck.

Whew, you guys are really in it for the long haul and must really like being played for chumps, or, or, is that chimps??.....

Mission Accomplished.
We're in the last throes,
Progress is being made.
We're turning a corner.
The surge is working.

Tee hee hee..........

BarneyG2K said:

"Therefore, the lesson to be applied is to pull all our forces out of Iraq, but to continue the funding (including advisers and logistical help). What is even better is that since Iraq has all that oil money we wouldn't need to supply much monetary support at all.

Thanks Lovie"

He forgot that the US had military advisors in South Vietnam training their forces for eighteen years
(http://www2.skidmore.edu/uww/vietnam/issues_american%20presence%20I.htm)
and had been involved in offensive ground operations for eight years
(http://www2.skidmore.edu/uww/vietnam/ia_drang_valley.htm)
at the time of the 1973 peace treaty, which left the country at peace with its northern neighbor.

So, if BG2K is also offering to keep a US military presence in Iraq until both (a) Iraq's military can stand on its own or (b) Iraq is at peace with those at war against it, then I'm firmly behind him. If not, he apparently has drawn spurious conclusions from historical facts.

(Sorry, I couldn't get the links to set up correctly)

Wizbang.

if you want to be taken seriously as a blog, please stop doing this idiotic remarks.

Your "sources' for Al-Malaki's job effectivnes are the Democrats in Washington !!! Are you nuts?

You want sources why don't you go to the National Intelligence Estimate released just today. The put al-Malaki's Government near collapse, and compleately ineffective..... Kind of like your spin.

Are you five years old by any chance?

I watch this show Mosaic that shows clips from Middle East news shows. Some state run and some not.
It's funny the way they reported this. The mouthpieces of dictators (Syria and Iran) were just as excited about people bad-mouthing Maliki as the coterie of leftish trolls above.

I know I would be embarassed if you could gauge my position on an issue by modeling it on how dictators felt.
Notice I don't say surprised, I watched the left side with the commies for most of my life, they've just moved to Islamists. I am a little surprised that they aren't more embarassed by that, considering that the Islamists are against pretty much everything the left is for (except for defeating the U.S.).
I know I'm not the first to note it, but it's really funny that the left's best friend these days actually act the way the left pretends Christians act.

Hooson:

In Vietnam, President Nguyen Van Thieu helped to assure U.S. failure. Shiite partisan Nouri al-Maliki is doing the same thing for the inevitable U.S. failure in Iraq. A bad government partner with poor public support destroys U.S. foreign policy hopes every single time.

"If the Americans do not want to support us anymore, let them go, get out! Let them forget their humanitarian promises!"

JFO, no, you're wrong again. It's getting to be a pattern. Do you like being humiliated??!! I love to watch you be humiliated.

Love the one about the NYT hating him. All you need to do is watch watch the NYT says and thinks and you know the opposite is true. How simple is that!

Whoooo hooooo!

I understand the logic you used to conclude that Maliki us doing a good job, Paul, and usually that's true, but I'm not so sure in this case. The Captains Quarters post was very interesting and I hope it does come to pass as he sees it, but the reaction of the terrorist supporter you've listed in your post could be explained another way.

Since the US's military successes in Iraq are finally getting to the point where even the terrorist supporters can't hide them any more, those who want the terrorists to win have to find something else to misrepresent. When I heard the news about the new NIE I knew immediately that the terrorist supports would jump on it and ignore all the good signs in it and instead use it as propaganda in their efforts to demoralize the good guys and help their terrorist allies defeat the US.

We've already seen it in this very thread. (#4)

Funny how any good news from Iraq draws out the left to immediately poo-poo it, isn't it?

Well, a) it wasn't "news". It was a childish taunt that the media and Dems calling Maliki ineffective means he's doing a good job. (Though that does shed some light on Paul's skill at factual reasoning.) And b) it wasn't "the left" who immediately poo-poo'd that assertion, but the White House's NIE. So your comment works wonderfully as a partisan insult, but has no relevance on any other level.

They're worming, squirming and weasling to get out from underneath the subject of this post Brian. Pretty funny wouldn't you say?

Those damn traitorous Democrats!! Oh wait, I think this guy is a republican!! ooops.

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- One of the Senate's top Republicans has called on President Bush to start bringing U.S. troops home from Iraq by Christmas, telling reporters Thursday that a pullout was needed to spur Iraqi leaders to action.

Sen. John Warner of Virginia, the influential former chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee, said he has recommended that Bush announce the beginning of a U.S. withdrawal in mid-September, after a report is released from the top U.S. officials in Iraq.

"In my humble judgment, that would get everyone's attention the attention that is not being paid at this time," said Warner.

Warner met at the White House on Thursday with Lt. Gen. Douglas Lute, the White House official responsible for coordinating Iraq issues.

Warner said the president and other leading Bush administration officials have repeatedly said the American commitment to Iraq was not open-ended.

"The time has come to put some meaningful teeth into those comments -- to back them up with some clear, decisive action," Warner added. E-mail to a friend

I suppose people can be swayed negatively based on the news source. Bush would not say he was backing Maliki's efforts without sensible reasoning:

"I support him," Bush said a day after he acknowledged frustration with the Iraqi leader's inability to bridge political divisions in his country. "It's not up to the politicians in Washington, D.C., to say whether he will remain in his position. It is up to the Iraqi people who now live in a democracy and not a dictatorship."

How does it feel to get crapped on, Paul, a few hours aftert posting BS?

Isn't Mr....er Captain Ed just prescient?

Latest NIE report: Intelligence Report Finds Iraqi Political Leaders 'Unable to Govern Effectively' and CIA Said Instability Seemed 'Irreversible

I wonder how many terrorist supporters are going misrepresent the NIE in the next few days?

Two have on this single thread so far.

I wonder how many war-hugging blood-letters will deny the import of this NIE.

P. Bunyan:

If I'm a terrorist supporter you're a terrorist/america hater who loves death and destruction. Try something more original will ya?

Look JFO & FF,

You may not want to support the terrorists. You may have convinced yourselves that your not supporting the terorists. But you are and all your childish retorts will not change that fact.

The NIE shows that the Iraq government still needs our help. That's to be expected. Pulling out at this time would be the worst possible thing and only someone who supports the terrorists would use the NIE to support a premature pull out.

To use it as if it proves you and Al Qaeda were right is exactly what Al Qaeda would want you to do. And it supports them. And I'm sure they appreciate your support even if you refuse to acknowledge it.

The left backed the communists in the Viet Nam war. I guess it would be inevitable that they would back Al Qaeda, The Baathists and oher terrorist groups in this war.

In the same article FF posted,

"Our leaving Iraq would make the situation worse," Hayden said. "Our staying in Iraq may not make it better. Our current approach without modification will not make it better."

Bunyan.

Are you suggesting that the NIE supports the terrorists because they happen to give an Intelligence assesment about Iraq that is contrary to your views, as well as the Right Wing views?

The National Intelligence Assesment is the report that all 10 of our Intelligence Agencies get to the desk of Bush, so that he can make decisions based on reality, not bull shit....

So if the NIE for the hundred time, tell's you guys that you are creating more terrorists in Iraq that we are killing, that the al-Malaki Government is near collapse and inefective into the future, that the terrorists (al-Quaida) were created by our invasion, that Iran is the big beneficiary of our staying in Iraq, etc, etc.....

If You interpret that NIE information as "supporting the terrorists"!!!! let's see then Mr. patriot, how do you kill the terrorists then? By following Cheney's advice that the terrorists are in their last legs maibe???

Terrorists? What terrorists? Remember??????

Or how about Rumsfeld's Dead-enders advice when talking about the Insurgents that you guys count now as a sign of "progress" in our latest "surge" in places like the Al Ambar province. How ironic is to see the same dead- enders marriage of convenience with the Army now being praised by the Right as "progress" while Rummy, and all Neo-Cons rot away in some hole.

You people are clowns.

"Are you suggesting that the NIE supports the terrorists...?"

P Bunyan actually said:

"only someone who supports the terrorists would use the NIE to support a premature pull out. "

I read no such suggestion there at all.

Nikolai.

"The Left backed the Cimmunist inthe Viet Nam war".

I would suggest you go back to school and re-take History. To be against an idiotic idea pushed by cowards that only "fight" from their lap tops is not supporting the enemy, is helping our troops.

Or maibe you can Nikolai tell us where is your "victory", and why in hell after five years of bull shit we are supposed to continue to support the crap you guys continue to try and sale?

Face it Nikolai you have no credibility left. All you have is a bunch of contortions of the truth.

"I would suggest you go back to school and re-take History. To be against an idiotic idea pushed by cowards that only "fight" from their lap tops is not supporting the enemy, is helping our troops."

Oh, you mean these laptop cowards?

Wow... I see the lefty troll are terrified that we might win the war.

Can they be any more blatant?

If anyone ever doubted the lefty thugs wanted the US to lose this war, this thread proved it. Again.

Wow... I see the righty trolls and blog authors are terrified that Bush might not be winning the war.

Can they be any more blatant?

If anyone ever doubted the righty thugs wanted to pretend Bush isn't losing this war, this thread proved it. Again.

(Now, are you you interested in working any actual facts into your analyses? Or are your abilities limited to vacuous insults?)

Brian, I'm not the one hyperventilating trying to deny reality.

The right on this comment thread is saying we, the USA and Iraq is going to win the war. The lefty trolls, lead by JFO our resident hypocrit, says Bush is losing Bush's war. The left doesn't even hide their distaste to be for America. That is how bad their BDS and hatred is. The left is willing to make meaningless the sacrifices of our military in this endeavor so they can score a political point. How very pathetic. ww

"Are you suggesting that the NIE supports the terrorists because they happen to give an Intelligence assesment about Iraq that is contrary to your views, as well as the Right Wing views?"

No, not at all. I'm saying using the NIE to push the "pull out now or at some anounced date in the near future" argument helps and supports the terrorists. I believe that's been the leftists attitude from the start and all the B.S. you misrepresent from the NIE is just more grasping at straws to find a reason to do what would amount to surrendering to the terrorists. That supports them. You can pretend it doesn't, but it does.

The estimate is hardly "contrary to my views". I've never claimed Iraq was a bed of roses, but unlike you leftists I am willing to acknowledge the good as well as the bad. If you want the US to win, you will be optimistic about it and see the good as well as the bad in the NIE. If you want the US to loose you will be pessimistic about it and see only the bad side of things like the NIE.

We are trying to do something that's never been done before. Some things work, other things don't. We have been learn