I question the timing.

First La Shawn Barber (I sure I spelled that correctly...maybe I better go check...yes I did) complains about spam, and now minutes later you do.

Some of us have been fighting spam since before it had a name.

Those of you that have the ears and the eyes of the legislators and judges, how about some help here?

Dear Mr Jay Tea,
With reference to your problem with PBS (Public Bull Shit) I do request that you forgive me for useing cuss words.
About a month ago, out of the blue, I starting receiving e-mails from that SOB, Sen. Kerry. I reported this as spam. That appears to have resloved the problem.

Excellent post Jay and I couldn't agree with you more.

Using taxpayer (our) money to fund this anti-American propaganda (PBS, & NPR) is outrageous and must end!

The NEA is a waste of my money too.

The tire slashing incident was in Wisconsin. link

I have to defend PBS on the voter suppression story. All three of the incidents you listed were isolated ones. NOW's story, other the hand , reported on systematic voter suppression by a national party and they interview a former US attorney about it. I don't see what is so unfair about that. If you've got some dope on the Dems systematically suppressing the vote then please write a story about it.

Also, I can't find any media reports about the Philadelphia incident. A lot of Righty blogs reported the problem but no news outlets seem to have written about it.

.... exactly the reason I laugh my ass off whenever I hear, or see, pledge drives.

Especially since, in one of the radio spots here in Chicago, one of the "esteemed" radio talents started a bit of a chant:

"When I say radio, you say: NPR!

When I say Gaza, you say: Strip!"

I shit you not.

Nope. No bias here, folks, and I wouldn't cross the street to piss on the folk of NEA, NPR, PBS, et al, if they were on fire.

Blue, google's a friend, really:

http://www.politicalgateway.com/main/columns/read.html?col=434

And, from the Times:

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/11/01/politics/campaign/01voting.html?ex=1256965200&en=cf3106063411702b&ei=5090&partner=rssuserland

"Michael Whouley, the get-out-the-vote expert at the Democratic National Committee, held a teleconference with reporters last week to insist that the reports of challenges and confusion at polling places (in Philly - yo] were greatly exaggerated. "American democracy is working," he said."

Said that they were exaggerated; but not incorrect. Crafty bastard, he.

Shit happens on both sides of the fence, man. The real question is, did NOW delve into the charges of Dem voter fraud, or did they simply focus on the GOP?

I dunno, honestly, I can't stomach watching shows that try to tell me what to think.

oh, and I think it painfully obvious to anyone who pays attention, that the DNC either farms out their dirty work to the grassroot zombies, and/or denies connection to said zombies but won't condemn, correct, or chastise these zombies for being naughty.

Happens on both sides, of course; don't get me wrong - it's just that the GOP doesn't have a publicly financed mouthpiece like PBS to help 'em out.

Also, I can't find any media reports about the Philadelphia incident. A lot of Righty blogs reported the problem but no news outlets seem to have written about it.

Bwhahahahaha....I'm sure the irony of this post is lost on the moron who wrote it.

You can't make this stuff up.

Blue, google's a friend, really:

Thanks for the snark. Where are the new reports? The Political Gateway story is an opinion piece from a Conservative and the NYT story is dated November 1, 2004, the day before the election. The quote you cited is from the week before the election.

Shit happens on both sides of the fence, man.

There doesn't seem to be much evidence that the Dems are systematically trying to suppress voters. The PBS program that Jay mentions has provides quite a bit of evidence suggesting that the Repubs are trying to suppress voters.

"There doesn't seem to be much evidence that the Dems are systematically trying to suppress voters."

And there doesn't seem to be much evidence that they don't, either.

The absence of proof does mean there is none. And that's the point of Jay's post.

Did NOW not find proof, or did they not look? Or, did they find some proof and decide not to include it in their report.

There is no way that you can respond to that other than to say that you don't know.

Which, to be all circular, is the point.

Unless, of course, you can find me some proof that the Dems are completely innocent of any voter fraud/suppression/intimidation.

You find me that proof, and I'll paint your house.

Granted, my links were weak - but just strong enough to indicate that there are shenanigans on both sides of the fence.

Remember: it's not bias if you agree with it.

"There doesn't seem to be much evidence that the Dems are systematically trying to suppress voters."
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Because the dems want a system to support their VOTER FRAUD. So liberal dems want to make it easier to cheat. The code word against the laws to make voter fraud more difficult is voter suppression.

Why should tax payer money be used to support an overt liberal propaganda? Yet they want to shut down talk radio in a free market. These are two examples of liberal double-speak.

Blue Neponset: To hell with news reports, here's actual VIDEO of the asshole in question:

http://wizbangblog.com/content/2006/11/07/election-intimidation-in-phill.php

J.

12. Posted by Jay Tea | August 24, 2007 2:08 PM

Well, there ya' go.

Here is a list of Dem voter frauds suggested to Joel for his investigation, but he doesn't seem interested. Looks like PBS is now only a liberal/dem propaganda arms.

http://opinionjournal.com/diary/?id=110010400

yo:

.... exactly the reason I laugh my ass off whenever I hear, or see, pledge drives.

Especially since, in one of the radio spots here in Chicago, one of the "esteemed" radio talents started a bit of a chant:

"When I say radio, you say: NPR!

When I say Gaza, you say: Strip!"

I shit you not.

And I haven't given money to WTTW in more than a decade. Every "Pledge Drive" is like an elderly shut-in festival with continual loops of Du-Wop or Andre Rieu!

Langtry,

The only redeeming value of WTTW is that they're in HD, now. Some of the nature programs are pretty good, but everything else is just slop.

91.5 ..., they can't rightly be in HD, now can they? So much for redemption - though I do listen, from time to time ... keeps the blood pressure up.

Heh ..., maybe we should talk to Jay and the gang about a Wiz-zers convention in Chi-town.

Oh, and there's NEVER any voter fraud here ... *cough*

If this is such a huge story then there should be news reports about it. I already watched the video and I am not sure a) who this guy is or b) what he did. Both the phone jamming and the tire slashing stories are easy to find. If this Philly story is as heinous as those two stories then there should be plenty of MSM press about it. Yet there isn't.

If this Philly story is as heinous as those two stories then there should be plenty of MSM press about it. Yet there isn't.
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So this is another example of the bias and dishonesty of the liberal MSM. And PBS, esp NOW, is simply another bias liberal mouthpiece, funded by tax payer money. That 's even more shameful.

yo:

Heh ..., maybe we should talk to Jay and the gang about a Wiz-zers convention in Chi-town.

So this is another example of the bias and dishonesty of the liberal MSM. And PBS, esp NOW, is simply another bias liberal mouthpiece, funded by tax payer money. That 's even more shameful.

How come the tire slashing story got a lot of press? If your MSM is evil theory were correct then wouldn't that story have been suppressed too? Also, are there any non liberal MSM outlets that could have reported the Philly voter suppression story?

"Heh ..., maybe we should talk to Jay and the gang about a Wiz-zers convention in Chi-town."

I'd swing around the Lake for that.

How come the tire slashing story got a lot of press? If your MSM is evil theory were correct then wouldn't that story have been suppressed too? Also, are there any non liberal MSM outlets that could have reported the Philly voter suppression story?
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It doesn't get the widespread coverage and deserve an investigation from NOW/PBS for example. That says it all. The same for Iraq reporting if we care about the truth.

WE should see more stories on voter frauds and how the liberal dems are against voter ID laws to prevent frauds. Instead we see spins like "voter suppression" to cover up voter frauds. Here you have it. If you truly care about voter fraud, you would laugh at the obvious bias/dishonesty of PBS/NOW program.

"If your MSM is evil theory were correct then wouldn't that story have been suppressed too?"

And we may have come full circle.

Langtry, we'd need to get a rubber ducky, of course. And, I'm not sure how many folks are actually in the area.

What're the odds on getting Jay here?

Here again is a list of dem voter frauds (from John Fund) for widespread coverage and discussion if you care about voter frauds

http://opinionjournal.com/diary/?id=110010400

It doesn't get the widespread coverage and deserve an investigation from NOW/PBS for example. That says it all. The same for Iraq reporting if we care about the truth.

Why does it deserve an investigation from NOW/PBS? I still don't know who that guy in the video is and what he did? Those should be easy questions to answer yet no one seems to want to answer them.

"Why does it deserve an investigation from NOW/PBS??

Isn't that what journalists do?

As for the who and the what of the guy in the video is - click the link and read. It's all there.

The tire slashing story got some press, but it got less press than the myths propagated about nonexistant GOP voter suppression that never happened.

As for the who and the what of the guy in the video is - click the link and read. It's all there.

The guy's name is Carlos Mantos. What is his connection to the Democratic Party? Is he an election official? How did he prevent Republican poll watchers from accessing the polling places of Philadelphia? Kim's original link goes to a 30 second youtube video and a Redstate.com story which states:

In wards 7, 19, 51 in Philly, PA, the crowds are going wild. Inside several voting locations, individuals have poured white out onto the polling books and the poll workers are allowing voters to go into the polls and vote without first registering. Several individuals are on hand demanding that voters vote straight Democrat.

RNC lawyers have headed to the scene of the incidents, which are occurring in mostly hispanic precinct locations. The District Attorney has also been contacted.

More from the ground: Reports of voter intimidation by son-in-law of Philadelphia City Commissioner in 19th Ward. Carlos Mantos is not allowing Republican poll watchers with valid poll-watching certificates monitor polling places.

What laws did this guy break? Was he charged with any crimes like the phone jammer and the tire slashers? Did the poll watchers eventually gain access to the polling places? Were any poll-watchers injured? Have any voters claimed they were not allowed to vote as a result of Mr. Mantos' actions?

If this was such an iron clad example of voter suppression then someone should have asked and answered these questions already. Instead, all we have are accusations and little else.

Why does it deserve an investigation from NOW/PBS?
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A whole set of dem voter fraud cases. I thought you care about systematic voter fraud (as well as PBS/NOW). Thanks for confirming that you really don't care about that. And in the end, we seem to come to the agreement that PBS/NOW is simply a liberal propaganda source on tax-payer money. That is a real shame. We should stop this scam of tax payer money. People like Joel can work at other liberal outlets like CNN, ABC, CBS, NBC etc...

"If this was such an iron clad example of voter suppression then someone should have asked and answered these questions already. Instead, all we have are accusations and little else."

And with the NOW story, all we have is one side of the story, too. You'd think Schwartberg would have asked, investigated and answered issues from both sides.

Instead all he gives us are incomplete and biased reports.

Oh well.

As for Mr. Mantos ..., and I'm not up on my poll laws and such, but I think standing in front of the polls passing out literature telling people to "vote straight democrat" may not be illegal, but it sure as hell is unethical.

Thanks for confirming that you really don't care about that.

No problem. Can you answer my questions about the Philly voter suppression story now?

Blue, sure, for me this is another example of the dems trying to cheat in election and voter suppression is just a spin to cover up VOTER FRAUD (I quote from your post). It is a shame that PBS used tax payer money to support such a biased propaganda.
I don't know why you ask those questions to me. Do you support those actions or you don't think it is a big deal to intimidate the poll watchers so that the dems can cheat in an election? In other words, if it is legal then it is OK? Is that why the democrats don't want voterID law so that we can cheat without breaking the law?

In wards 7, 19, 51 in Philly, PA, the crowds are going wild. Inside several voting locations, individuals have poured white out onto the polling books and the poll workers are allowing voters to go into the polls and vote without first registering. Several individuals are on hand demanding that voters vote straight Democrat.

BTW, the dem party is the one trying to suppress voter. By making it easier for voter fraud, they in effect nullify or suppress the votes of legal/honest Americans.

And with the NOW story, all we have is one side of the story, too. You'd think Schwartberg would have asked, investigated and answered issues from both sides.

What is the other side? A partisan Democrat handing out literature in front of a polling station in Philly? Do you really think that story compares with the report that PBS did on Republican based voter suppression? Even if you don't agree with how PBS reported that story, the evidence they present is much more compelling than a Youtube video, a Redstate diary and a John Fund article.

I just don't see any evidence that the Dems are systematically trying to suppress voter turnout. If there is such evidence then I would be interested to see it. Until that time, however, the Philly incident, the tire slashing fracas, and the shenanigans of ACORN just don't compare to what PBS reports and documents.