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Comments (27)
Hey libbies! Isn't this the... (Below threshold)1. Posted by Dirk | August 25, 2007 12:15 PM | Score: 3 (11 votes cast)
Hey libbies! Isn't this the same guy who started giving weapons to Osama and the Afghan resistance. As you so CONTINUALLY point out about Ronald Reagan, I think its only fair I point that out about Carter. Personally, I don't think Carter should have been able to predict 9/11, but you guys obviously feel that Reagan should have known.
1. Posted by Dirk | August 25, 2007 12:15 PM |
Score: 3 (11 votes cast)
Posted on August 25, 2007 12:15
2. Posted by kim | August 25, 2007 12:28 PM | Score: 1 (7 votes cast)
It was a good idea to give heat seeking missiles to the Afghanis. I'm not sure it was B's idea.
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2. Posted by kim | August 25, 2007 12:28 PM |
Score: 1 (7 votes cast)
Posted on August 25, 2007 12:28
3. Posted by FreedomFries | August 25, 2007 2:38 PM | Score: -11 (15 votes cast)
More ass dumps from brain dead Paul.
Brzezinski 's foreign policy expertise is light years beyond the capability of The Chimp, who had to be hand-trained w/ bananas by Rice down in Crawford as he ran for office in 1999 & 2000 because The Chimp's prior experience w/ foreign policy had no more depth than ordering Chinese takeout when he visited daddums in Beijing.
3. Posted by FreedomFries | August 25, 2007 2:38 PM |
Score: -11 (15 votes cast)
Posted on August 25, 2007 14:38
4. Posted by JB | August 25, 2007 2:46 PM | Score: 7 (9 votes cast)
Yeah, B. did such a bang-up job with Iran in '79 we're still suffering the ill-effects.
I guess that's liberal meaning of "expertise."
4. Posted by JB | August 25, 2007 2:46 PM |
Score: 7 (9 votes cast)
Posted on August 25, 2007 14:46
5. Posted by LAB | August 25, 2007 3:11 PM | Score: 7 (9 votes cast)
"Brzezinski, who was President Jimmy Carter's national security adviser,..."
That should say it all right there. The damage in Panama is irreversible. His forsight was almost non-existent at the time.
The one thing he does have right: "Being a former first lady doesn't prepare you to be president,''
5. Posted by LAB | August 25, 2007 3:11 PM |
Score: 7 (9 votes cast)
Posted on August 25, 2007 15:11
6. Posted by FreedomFries | August 25, 2007 3:28 PM | Score: -8 (8 votes cast)
LAB, just what is your implication about Brzezinski and Panama?
6. Posted by FreedomFries | August 25, 2007 3:28 PM |
Score: -8 (8 votes cast)
Posted on August 25, 2007 15:28
7. Posted by kim | August 25, 2007 3:31 PM | Score: 4 (6 votes cast)
When the Russians first invaded Afghanistan I confidently predicted that the stone age inhabitants would run them out. It's nomad's land. I didn't know then about the heat-seeking missiles, and I didn't know then about radical Islam. But I did know then that Afghanistan was full of fundamental Muslims, fiercely possessive of what little they had, and how much they had.
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7. Posted by kim | August 25, 2007 3:31 PM |
Score: 4 (6 votes cast)
Posted on August 25, 2007 15:31
8. Posted by SPQR | August 25, 2007 4:03 PM | Score: 4 (8 votes cast)
FreedomFries, you still showing your ignorance of history? Unbelievable.
8. Posted by SPQR | August 25, 2007 4:03 PM |
Score: 4 (8 votes cast)
Posted on August 25, 2007 16:03
9. Posted by LAB | August 25, 2007 4:08 PM | Score: 6 (6 votes cast)
FF, the primary focus is on his lack of foresight, or perhaps an ulterior motive. Brzezinski is a global elitist and believes the concept of National Security to be a myth.
Globalization:
The Final Demise of National Security
This issue will explore globalization as it relates to national security, or the lack thereof, with a focus on maritime security. It will be shown that the modern degradation of national maritime security started with President James Earl Carter (an original member of the Trilateral Commission and hand-picked as a presidential candidate by Zbigniew Brzezinski) with the 1977 giveaway of the Panama Canal, which was the most strategic maritime asset that America ever owned. Further, it will be shown that the same global elite are riding the money-go-round with several Arab states, including the United Arab Emarites who are members of the Gulf Cooperation Council (GCC) that was founded by Saudi Arabia in 1981.
9. Posted by LAB | August 25, 2007 4:08 PM |
Score: 6 (6 votes cast)
Posted on August 25, 2007 16:08
10. Posted by Arthur | August 25, 2007 4:50 PM | Score: 3 (3 votes cast)
I'm a survivor of the Carter years and read a couple Zbiggy's books*. If his advice to Carter in the 70s was similar to what he was writing in those books then I would blame Carter more than Zbiggy. Those books seemed solid enough. The worst you could say about Zbiggy of the 70s and 80s is that he was one of many "realists".
What I've heard of the the current Zbiggy isn't so good but the guy is 20 years older - I'll be charitable and assume he's over the hill.
* Game Plan (1986) Overview of US-USSR relations and how we should finish them off.
The Grand Failure (1989) History of 20th century communism and how much it sucked.
10. Posted by Arthur | August 25, 2007 4:50 PM |
Score: 3 (3 votes cast)
Posted on August 25, 2007 16:50
11. Posted by kim | August 25, 2007 4:57 PM | Score: 1 (3 votes cast)
I don't know much about B. It occurred to me, though, if he were a global elitist realist, why did he not keep the Panama Canal in real global elitist hands? Mahan may haint.
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11. Posted by kim | August 25, 2007 4:57 PM |
Score: 1 (3 votes cast)
Posted on August 25, 2007 16:57
12. Posted by HughS | August 25, 2007 6:00 PM | Score: 1 (3 votes cast)
The measure of the Carter administration is that Brzezinski was considered one of the smarter guys in the shop. Such damning with faint praise.
Paul H., Brzezinski was only considered marginally conservative during the Carter years. And that was because of his anti Soviet stance, which got his name in The National Review from time to time. In the long shadow of Reagan, he is just another lightweight.
12. Posted by HughS | August 25, 2007 6:00 PM |
Score: 1 (3 votes cast)
Posted on August 25, 2007 18:00
13. Posted by C-C-G
| August 25, 2007 8:31 PM | Score: 1 (3 votes cast)
Of course, Brzezinski saying Obama would be better than Clinton doesn't specify if Brzezinski thinks Obama would be better than Giuliani, or McCain, or Romney, or Thompson.
It's interesting that Brzezinski didn't just say that Obama would be the best. He compared Obama to Clinton and only/i> to Clinton.
Now, all you lefty trolls can claim that I am reading too much into it. I even give you permission.
13. Posted by C-C-G
| August 25, 2007 8:31 PM |
Score: 1 (3 votes cast)
Posted on August 25, 2007 20:31
14. Posted by HughS | August 25, 2007 9:24 PM | Score: 1 (3 votes cast)
Obama is clearly more effective and has the upper hand,
the more intersting subject here may be the back story....Zbig and Bill. Hmmm
14. Posted by HughS | August 25, 2007 9:24 PM |
Score: 1 (3 votes cast)
Posted on August 25, 2007 21:24
15. Posted by HughS | August 25, 2007 9:34 PM | Score: 0 (2 votes cast)
Ahh, here it is....
As usual, behind their protected wall:
http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F30F13FE3F580C728FDDAC0894D8404482&n=Top/Reference/Times%20Topics/People/C/Clinton,%20Bill
The teaser....
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Indulging Russia Is Risky Business
*Please Note: Archive articles do not include photos, charts or graphics. More information. May 31, 2000, Wednesday
By ZBIGNIEW BRZEZINSKI (NYT); Editorial Desk
Late Edition - Final, Section A, Page 27, Column 1, 681 words
DISPLAYING ABSTRACT - Op-Ed article by Zbigniew Brzezinski on US-Russian relations says Clinton administration's policy of engagement with Russia has degenerated into one-sided courtship and has been colossal disappointment; warns Pres Clinton against making hasty deals in upcoming Moscow summit with Pres Vladimir Putin since such action would pose new risks; says dose of dignified restraint, based on realistic assessment of where Russia is headed, could help redeem policy of engagement that has gradually lost its way
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There will be a quick response to this from CampHillary.
15. Posted by HughS | August 25, 2007 9:34 PM |
Score: 0 (2 votes cast)
Posted on August 25, 2007 21:34
16. Posted by nogo war | August 25, 2007 10:11 PM | Score: -1 (3 votes cast)
HMMM...yep ZB did some stuff...however, any of the great Old Republicans coming out of the woodwork to endorse any of the top flight Republican Candidates?
I am waiting for Henry K to endorse Mitt...maybe Rudi? ...
16. Posted by nogo war | August 25, 2007 10:11 PM |
Score: -1 (3 votes cast)
Posted on August 25, 2007 22:11
17. Posted by HughS | August 25, 2007 10:34 PM | Score: 1 (1 votes cast)
nogo
There's not a Republican candidate that would accept Kissinger's endorsement with any enthusiasm. If you want Old School...here is what the current candidates might accept in the way of endorsement: Baker, Schultz, maybe Scowcroft (but not likely), Weinberger (if he was alive), North (but only marginally), Gates, Rice, the current Chiefs of Staff and Bush I and II.
Now, who do the Democrats have to look to? Zbig? Aspen (dead)? Who? Who has real foreign policy experience on their side? Name one.
Oh....I forgot. Bill Richardson...the author of the latest NK ransom letter.
17. Posted by HughS | August 25, 2007 10:34 PM |
Score: 1 (1 votes cast)
Posted on August 25, 2007 22:34
18. Posted by Paul | August 26, 2007 12:15 AM | Score: 1 (1 votes cast)
>Brzezinski 's foreign policy expertise is light years beyond the capability of The Chimp,
Ha! FreakoFries, I can only assume you're under 30 years of age.... and ignorant of history.
Please, I lived the the humiliation of the Carter years. What are you.. 23? 24?
18. Posted by Paul | August 26, 2007 12:15 AM |
Score: 1 (1 votes cast)
Posted on August 26, 2007 00:15
19. Posted by John in CA | August 26, 2007 1:46 AM | Score: 3 (3 votes cast)
What a disaster. I joined the Navy right after Carter took office. That experience almost caused me to end my career after four years.
Fortunately, Ronaldus Magnus was elected before I had to make that decision.
It was humiliating sitting around with 52 Americans being held hostage by a bunch of ragtag militants. Then the day of Desert One. The darkest, saddest, most humiliating day of my military career.
Was all that sitting around being humiliated part of Zbiggy's advice?
From an interview with Bob Novak about his recent book
and
Was Zbiggy on board with that plan also? Was he the one who advised Carter? But, that's not surprising, since Carter was willing to cede a sovereign piece of the United States, the US Embassy in Tehran, to Iran.
19. Posted by John in CA | August 26, 2007 1:46 AM |
Score: 3 (3 votes cast)
Posted on August 26, 2007 01:46
20. Posted by marc | August 26, 2007 3:18 AM | Score: 1 (1 votes cast)
HughS
Oh....I forgot. Bill Richardson...the author of the latest NK ransom letter.
And immediately pull ALL troops out of Iraq.
20. Posted by marc | August 26, 2007 3:18 AM |
Score: 1 (1 votes cast)
Posted on August 26, 2007 03:18
21. Posted by John in CA | August 26, 2007 4:08 AM | Score: 1 (1 votes cast)
I wonder who Maddy Halfbright, the 2,000 lb.leg presser, will endorse? Will she endorse Hillary?
21. Posted by John in CA | August 26, 2007 4:08 AM |
Score: 1 (1 votes cast)
Posted on August 26, 2007 04:08
22. Posted by kim | August 26, 2007 7:52 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Nice catch about Bill and Brez, Hugh.
Albright's father was Condi Rice's mentor at Denver University. Because of him, Condi switched majors from music to international affairs.
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22. Posted by kim | August 26, 2007 7:52 AM |
Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Posted on August 26, 2007 07:52
23. Posted by kim | August 26, 2007 7:55 AM | Score: 1 (1 votes cast)
OK, I got it, Hugh. Bill Clinton looked into Putin's pants and saw his soul.
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23. Posted by kim | August 26, 2007 7:55 AM |
Score: 1 (1 votes cast)
Posted on August 26, 2007 07:55
24. Posted by kim | August 26, 2007 7:57 AM | Score: 3 (3 votes cast)
Or: Bill Clinton looked into Berger's pants and saw his scroll.
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24. Posted by kim | August 26, 2007 7:57 AM |
Score: 3 (3 votes cast)
Posted on August 26, 2007 07:57
25. Posted by HughS | August 26, 2007 9:07 AM | Score: 2 (2 votes cast)
Kim
That is teh funnee!
25. Posted by HughS | August 26, 2007 9:07 AM |
Score: 2 (2 votes cast)
Posted on August 26, 2007 09:07
26. Posted by kim | August 26, 2007 9:16 AM | Score: 2 (2 votes cast)
I should quit while I'm ahead, Hugh.
Marc: I'm waiting for Richardson to suddenly switch Tigresses in mid-Euphrates. His Iraq stance is suddenly so last month.
Obama looked into Castro's guts and saw his role.
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26. Posted by kim | August 26, 2007 9:16 AM |
Score: 2 (2 votes cast)
Posted on August 26, 2007 09:16
27. Posted by JoeS | August 26, 2007 7:53 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Zbig!! The wonder diplomat who replaced the Shah with the Ayatollah? Replaced Somoza with the Sandinistas? Who boycotted the Olympics to punish Russia for invading Afghanistan? His opinion will surely command guffaws from the rest of the world.
Surely, Barak will appoint him Sec of State. He would want to be remembered in diplomatic history as a success like Jimmy Carter.
Even Hillary says Barak is soft.
27. Posted by JoeS | August 26, 2007 7:53 PM |
Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Posted on August 26, 2007 19:53