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Extreme Opinions, Extreme Ignorance

A few days ago, dear reader, one of the junior editors at "The Hatemonger's Quarterly"--let's just call him "Chip"--found himself at an old friend's home. Although "Chip" had not seen this longtime pal for some time, he recognized that he was of very different political beliefs. As a result, it came as no surprise to "Chip" to hear that his buddy aimed to attend an anti-Iraq War rally in Kennebunkport, Maine.

The friend informed "Chip" of the rally's particulars with an undeniable sense of glee. Michael Moore was rumored to be the surprise special guest! (Some surprise.) The Indigo Girls would be present in an obvious attempt to jump-start their flagging careers! &c.

Whilst his pal described these dubious-seeming details, "Chip" kept his mouth shut. This was not, of course, "Chip's" cup of tea, but it wasn't his place to browbeat an old buddy for supporting radically different political views than his own.

And yet "Chip's" friend decided to test the waters. "I know that you don't share my opinion on the war," he said. "How can you not hope for an immediate withdrawal of American troops from Iraq?"

With some reluctance, "Chip" answered the question. And this led to other queries, as "Chip's" pal offered a laundry list of un-thoughtful anti-Bush complaints: The president is spying on all American citizens; "Scooter" Libby did something bad; &c.

Now "Chip" found himself fully ensnared in a discussion of modern politics. One by one, he attempted to answer the charges put before him.

At this point, dear reader, it occurred to "Chip": His interlocutor--who would soon travel to Maine in an attempt to "stop the war"--knew essentially nothing about the political issues of the day. As "Chip" reeled off his answers to the various complaints, he noticed that his pal could not produce even a single counter-argument.

This was not the case, of course, because counter-arguments do not exist. An informed liberal could certainly present a spirited attack on the Bush administration.

But "Chip's" friend couldn't. He didn't seem to read a newspaper, watch news programs, or follow the political scene in any way. His views on the Bush administration appeared to stem from watered-down arguments of his peers and half-attentive glances at "The Daily Show" whilst channel-surfing. In essence, he was extremely uninformed.

Yet this did not halt "Chip's" buddy from taking part in a political rally that aimed at enacting a major American foreign policy decision: The US withdrawal from Iraq. "Chip's" pal blithely joined up with this cause despite having never given a moment's thought to the consequences of such a hasty retreat--either for America's best interest or for the safety of the Iraqi people.

This is, in a word, disgraceful. And, we would imagine, it's quite common. After all, how serious is "War Is Never the Answer" as a political rallying cry?

(Note: The crack young staff normally "weblog" over at "The Hatemonger's Quarterly," where they are currently pondering the sponsorship of a political rally tentatively entitled "No War, But Dates for Me," aimed at males pretending to protest various causes in an attempt to score with chicks.)


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Comments (48)

Timing is everything on thi... (Below threshold)
Paul:

Timing is everything on this post... I came to a conclusion just today.

All modern liberals can ~usually~ be put into one of two categories. Uninformed or crazy.

Yes I mean that.

If you talk to a liberal long enough either they will prove themselves to be completely ignorant of world affairs or, if they are informed, sooner or later they start talking fantasy.... Rove did it -well Rove did whatever Cheney didn't.

But basically all modern liberals -sadly- fit in at least on of those categories. And the ones that troll here usually fit into both.

Actually, Paul, the trolls ... (Below threshold)
SShiell:

Actually, Paul, the trolls that regularly visit here alternate from comment to comment. And every other Thursday, they change from crazy then ignorant to ignorant then crazy or vice versa.

I think we should allow for... (Below threshold)
Robert the Original:

I think we should allow for a third category - those in denial. Although this is a charge made often of conservatives by the left, it is a disease actually much more commonly found among the left, and there simply is no other way to describe it.

Take for example, John Kerry and the Swift Boat Vets. Now, one cannot honestly say that Kerry was ignorant of the three-band-aid-and-out trick because, heck, he practically invented it. It is his own history after all.

Nor can one quite go so far to claim a full section 8 for him. The closest he comes to this is temporary insanity when the names "Rove" or "Swift Boat Vets" are brought up.

But yet, on he goes given any opportunity, re-claiming his war hero status and denying confirmation to Bush appointees who had the temerity to contribute to SBV. He might even throw in a Cambodian story or two, even now. No, it is not ignorance or insanity that keeps him from releasing his full military record - quite the opposite.

The same could be said for the truthers, the deniers that the surge is working, the Bush-stole-the-2000-election group, the global-warming-will-kill-us-by-Tuesday dudes, the no-genocide-after-leaving-Vietnam people, and on it goes.

The facts are simply too available for ignorance to be diagnosed in such cases. No, it is a willful desire to place the blindfold over one's own eyes, extend the arms out, and knowingly follow some Al Gore Svengali into the shadowy world of the self-deluded - a hypnotic state.

And pretend that John Kerry was some kind of war hero.

I'm highly amused, and at t... (Below threshold)
kim:

I'm highly amused, and at the same time frightened, by liberals' deadpan lack of irony everytime they use the verb 'to Swiftboat'. They really don't have clue one.
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The simple fact that you ma... (Below threshold)
JFO:

The simple fact that you make the statement(s) you made conclusively demonstrates your ignorance Paul. But, in a perverse way, I like it. One of the most interesting and I would say beneficial things to the our side is the arrogance you display and the moral superiority folks like you believe you have and are unhesitant to show. You demonstrate, by this comment and so many others, how completely out of step with most Americans you are. Keep on being smug Paul et al. Keep on "knowing" how right you are and how wrong the rest of us are. Keep on calling people with whom you disagree traitors or terrorists or terrorist supporters. It shows the weakness of your of your arguments.

The reality is that you folks are losing the political war and will continue to lose it when you demonstrate the kind of ,well, stupidity you demonstrated in your comment Paul.

Have any of you ever wondered why there are so very few regulars from the right who comment on Whizbang? It's pretty obvious to me why. Try thinking about it.

So, JFO, did you know John ... (Below threshold)
kim:

So, JFO, did you know John Kerry served in Vietnam?
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The saddest part of the sto... (Below threshold)
ptg:

The saddest part of the story is that we let these idiots vote. Universal suffrage is a curse.

Wait, ptg, some of these id... (Below threshold)
kim:

Wait, ptg, some of these idiots are white male landowners.
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I got another reading assig... (Below threshold)
kim:

I got another reading assignment for you, JFO. It's Noemie Emory's recent 'The Horror, the Horror; the paranoid style of the American left.
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Here's what happened, Paul.... (Below threshold)
kim:

Here's what happened, Paul. The liberals with a sense of history and geopolitics became neoconservatives, and the rest went progressive in the vain hope of clinging to the most seductive of Marx's misunderstandings of Hegel. And in the delusionalry desire that progressivism not be totalitarian at its core.
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Whoa, I like 'delusionalry'... (Below threshold)
kim:

Whoa, I like 'delusionalry'. Sort of like the 'cavalry of the left'. Hear those bugles, JFO? Your troop is calling you.
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LOL - 11 comments, 5 from k... (Below threshold)
JFO:

LOL - 11 comments, 5 from kim who continues to demonstrate my point. Thank you kim.

JFO:Have any o... (Below threshold)
marc:

JFO:

Have any of you ever wondered why there are so very few regulars from the right who comment on Whizbang?

You better recalibrate your abacus JFO, even that age old manually operated gadget has somehow electronically shorted out.

It would seem "regulars from the right" outnumber those of "you" by about a 4-5 to one margin.

Well of course they do marc... (Below threshold)
JFO:

Well of course they do marc. Let me be more clear - there are, generoulsy, a few dozen or so regulars from the right who comment here. That's not very many in the scheme of blog sites.

That was a trap, JFO. Why ... (Below threshold)
kim:

That was a trap, JFO. Why do you think the left controls the political discourse when they've become bitter, venomous, and humourless? The discourse is blogs and talk radio, the narrative is MSM. One is interactive; the other is unidirectional, centrally planned if you will. Granted the left blogs also, but suppresses dissent. Not so much on the right.

Please get mantis to explain my joke to you. Steve Crickmore might suffice. bD will tell you a better one.
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When I left the Army, I cam... (Below threshold)
Tim in PA:

When I left the Army, I came back and saw my best friend of many years, who I had not seen for quite a while. I, too, came home to find a buddy had devolved into a barking moonbat.

He'd gleefully provoke political arguments all the time, and I'd get right to the business of tearing down his silly accusations and arguments.

And you know what? He couldn't defend his positions either, just like your buddy "Chip".

In fact, as soon as I got on a roll he would say, "well, I can't argue with you about this, because I don't have as many facts to refute your position with, and it's not a fair fight"!

Funny, that never prevented him from spouting off the most inane crap:

- Bush was bad because "he tells people what to do and acts like an emperor"
- Clinton was a great president because "he passed the free healthcare law" (he was rather upset to learn that no, no he did not)
- Bush "banned the teaching of evolution in schools"

And so on.

And you know why he really didn't like Bush, when it comes down to it? Like many my age, he wants to sit around at home and smoke weed and eat cheetos while playing Everquest or World of Warcraft. He wants NOTHING to interfere with him having fun. It's easier to blame the eeevil republicans for this whole war - which has the added benefit of blaming people he already suspects of wanting to ban all the fun things he wants to do - than it is to admit that a bunch of barbarians want to kill us, and someone has to do something about it. Even if it only means spending tax money on war instead of free shit for him.

The Malik... (Below threshold)
civil behavior:


The Maliki government is falling apart.

It mimics our own.

Both are infected with religious fundamentalists both in power and waiting in the wings to substitute the role of religion for the rule of law.

Both have a tenous hold on national security and give false reasons for using war as a means of obtaining such.

And the Hatemonger's Quarterly gang thinks they have the answers to both countries by advocating for more testosterone based antics. We all can see how far that's gotten us already.

Talk about extreme opinions, extreme ignorance.

Foolish stupid Americanos.

geez, JFO, I haven't commen... (Below threshold)

geez, JFO, I haven't commented a lot here lately (or even written a lot on my own blog this month) because, you know, I and a lot of other non-leftists (ie non-"the personal is the political" cult members) are busy with other things during much of the summer.

You know, kids home from school, family vacations ... plotting the Christian take-over of the county (hi c. behavior! forgot your meds this morning?)

I do believe civil b. just ... (Below threshold)
Peter F.:

I do believe civil b. just made the point of HQ's (and Paul's) point.

Pardon, I'm tired. You get ... (Below threshold)
Peter F.:

Pardon, I'm tired. You get the, er, point.

Both are infected with r... (Below threshold)

Both are infected with religious fundamentalists both in power and waiting in the wings to substitute the role of religion for the rule of law.

Both have a tenous hold on national security and give false reasons for using war as a means of obtaining such.

Case in point and it only took 17 comments to get there. These sweeping generalizations are not even founded in facts.

To these folks, Dr. Dobson has convinced Bush to sign the executive order making him President/High Priest of the Order of Jesus Christ and second now.

And war is the means to produce a flagging national security? What about the oil dammit?

"I would say beneficial thi... (Below threshold)
Semanticleo:

"I would say beneficial things to the our side is the arrogance you display and the moral superiority folks like you believe you have and are unhesitant to show."

JFO;

Paul and his fellow miscreants are not to blame
for their BDS. They model themselves after Esteemed Leader. The brain stem is active, but the frontal lobe is another vestigial organ, inooperative due to neglect.

Semi's reflexive response.<... (Below threshold)
kim:

Semi's reflexive response.
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Have any of you ever won... (Below threshold)
Veeshir:

Have any of you ever wondered why there are so very few regulars from the right who comment on Whizbang?

I don't know about any others, but I'll answer for myself.
Because of what paul was talking about and what our intrepid reporter we'll call "Chip" wrote about. I mean, why bother? Jay Tea writes an article about about something like how some Sunni leader wants to fight al-Quaeda and the comments from the lefties are stuff like, "Oh, so I guess Iraq is all sunshine and unicorns, huh?", or "Oh yeah? Well, Bush didn't serve in Vietnam." and other such utterances suitable for enriching rose gardens but not any good for any serious debate. It's like "debating" with an 8 year old and that's only fun when it's actually an 8 year olds.

I mean, why bother with some troll who knows that he/she/it knows nothing about the subject, can't defend its position while simultaneously declaring that it's right about everything?

Take civil behavior's comment, what does the Maliki gov't falling apart (links? proof? cb needs none of that) have to do with the issue at hand? You know, besides proving that 'Chip''s and paul's observations are true.
Or take JFO's comment here LOL - 11 comments, 5 from kim who continues to demonstrate my point. Thank you kim.
no explanation exactly how kim's comments have proven his (which?) point. Just the bald assertion that its point has been proven. You know, cuz it's self-evident to any lefty and far about the intellectual reach of the mouth-breathers who dare to disagree with JFO's ad hominems and non sequiturs.
That's why I left Balloon Juice, there, the nitwits would then reinforce each other in a positive-feedback loop that was just annoying. The response to JFO's bald, unsupported, unexplained assertion would be "Yeah, you got her JFO" and other such comments of support without any of the nitwits actually explaining how he got her.

The left looks at news reports for affirmation and not information. That which does not affirm is immediately forgotten, attacked and/or declared a lie.


Aggressive ignorance is freaking annoying when you're trying to figure out important issues.

To be fair, I have come acr... (Below threshold)
meep:

To be fair, I have come across plenty of people espousing the conservative line in a very shallow way, and I'm so embarrassed to have such people "agreeing" with me, that not only do I explain the reasoning behind the conservative line, but I also try to give a decent explanation for the liberal side. I'd rather not be "represented" by someone who will fold the moment they hear a cogent explanation of a different perspective.

Of course, none of these people I talk to are about to go walk a picket line or hang out in a protest march for anything, no matter what side they're on; they have day jobs, and on weekends they would rather go to their kids' baseball games.

I do find it odd that some people will actually go to the trouble to "do something" without really thinking through why they're doing it. I'm going to go with the theory it's their way of socializing.

I have to agree with Veeshi... (Below threshold)
U.P. Man:

I have to agree with Veeshir, I just got banned by Lee Ward on Blue trying to get a real dialog going. Getting him to defend his position.

That and the authors write so much better than I do hare and Wizbang.

"The Maliki government is f... (Below threshold)
lowmal:

"The Maliki government is falling apart.

It mimics our own.

Both are infected with religious fundamentalists both in power and waiting in the wings to substitute the role of religion for the rule of law.

Both have a tenous hold on national security and give false reasons for using war as a means of obtaining such.

And the Hatemonger's Quarterly gang thinks they have the answers to both countries by advocating for more testosterone based antics. We all can see how far that's gotten us already.

Talk about extreme opinions, extreme ignorance.

Foolish stupid Americanos.


17. Posted by civil behavior"

CB,

The irony is completely lost on you..

Your comments replicate exactly the type of empty rhetoric being highlighted by the original piece..

Hell, you could be the friend "Chip" is talking about..

Your entire post is nothing but over-dramatic fluff, devoid of any substance and not based in reality..

"Infected with religious fundamentalist"..

What the fuck does that mean?

Can you be a more explicit? Show us how this "fundamentalist" attitude is opressing your daily life, or even in vague terms??

You and your ilk can do NOTHING but belch up bullshit, unrealistic, vapid rhetoric..

That's all you have.. All you ever will have.. It's all you are capable of producing with the couple of rabid neurons you have left bumping into eachother in that coconut of a head you've got..


The "intellectual" arroganc... (Below threshold)
Reagan:

The "intellectual" arrogance here is quite staggering. Please keep it up far righties. It's quite enjoying seeing your arguments reduced now to " but they just don't understand! They're completely ignorant and form their views based on mainstream pop culture commentary!".

Well gee, suck it up. You wanted a weak minded pliable populace, well now you got one. Although like the rest the right wing does, it usually ends up with horrible blowback. What a bitch eh?

I'm sure there are many lik... (Below threshold)
LAB:

I'm sure there are many like "Chip's" buddy that get involved in the Flavor of the Month rally just to socialize or say they "Were there!" when it happened. One doesn't really have to have a friggin' clue to be involved, man! I mean, likeyaknowwhatever...

>Have any of you ever wonde... (Below threshold)
Paul:

>Have any of you ever wondered why there are so very few regulars from the right who comment on Whizbang?

heh- That's funny just a few threads ago one of you moonbats said I was wrong because there was too many conservatives in the comments.

You idiots crack me up.

More red meat for the slobb... (Below threshold)
Grog:

More red meat for the slobbering morons here today. The message? They bad, we good.

Libruls bad
Conservatives good


Oog oog!

And some total idiot said this about another site

>>>>the nitwits would then reinforce each other in a positive-feedback loop that was just annoying.>>>>>


Are you people really that stupid? Dont you realize you have described this place to a T?


Paul, when the truth is rel... (Below threshold)
C-C-G Author Profile Page:

Paul, when the truth is relative, there can both be too many and too few conservatives on Wizbang.

Relative truth lets lefties out of the trap of having to be logically consistent. They can simultaneously support our troops and call them murderers, vote for and against the same bill, and even say there are too many conservatives at the same time they say there are too few.

Only one problem. Truth isn't relative.

Consider: the statement "all truth is relative" is not a relative statement--it's an absolute. Same thing for the statement "there is no such thing as absolute truth." That right there is an absolute statement proclaiming to be the truth--an absolute truth.

The next time someone (probably a lefty) proclaims his belief in relative truth, ask him this question: if truth depends on what you believe, and I believe in absolute truth, does that mean that absolute truth does exist for me?

Besides, if all truth is relative, lefties have no business telling conservatives that we're wrong, because there is no wrong. Right and wrong only exist in absolute truth.

Okay, I've rambled enough.

Have any of you ev... (Below threshold)
Have any of you ever wondered why there are so very few regulars from the right who comment on Whizbang? It's pretty obvious to me why. Try thinking about it.

Oh, pick me, pick me!

Because they read crap like your comments and run to barf in the toilet?

...I just got bann... (Below threshold)
...I just got banned by Lee Ward on Blue trying to get a real dialog going. Getting him to defend his position.

I didn't get banned at wizblues. I stopped going. I gave them a shot when it first started up.

It was during the illegal immigrant amnesty debate. leeward kept talking about how the opponents of the legislation were racists. The racists were the ones who would kill the bill.

I kept asking him who the racists were. Just give me a name or example. He never did. Just kept telling me that when the time was right he would divulge the secret racists. He never did divulge the who the racistst were.

What I did get the feeling of was that leeward was trying to bait or goad me into saying something he could construe as racist to use as an example. Didn't work of course.

leeward is a race card playing baiting pimp.

C'mon... you can tell me...... (Below threshold)
pgg:

C'mon... you can tell me...

"Chip" is Oliver Willis, isn't he?

Well, I was going to come h... (Below threshold)

Well, I was going to come here and write some grandiose, carefully-thought-out, biting, appropriately snarky, poignant post... And then Veeshir came and stole all my thunder.

Damnit.

Well, just to throw my two ... (Below threshold)

Well, just to throw my two cents in, I had the exact same thing happen to me. I have a liberal friend who's only mantra was "Bush this and Bush that" (never in a good way).

I would ask about this and that and he would quickly drop the argument because he had never studied up on anything he was angry about Bush doing or why he had.

An example is he was angry about the U.S. not signing onto the Kyoto treaty. I admitted I hadn't studied up on it, so I wasn't sure whether we should have signed or not. I then asked him what all was involved in the Kyoto treaty as far as our responsibilities.

He didn't know.

So I was flabbergasted that he was angry with Bush for not sigining a treaty when he had no idea of the impact on the U.S. or our responsibilities.

It is a losing cause to argue because so many (not all, but a great many) arguments are knee jerk emotional responses. No matter how many facts and figures we provide, we are just labeled BIGOTS or RACIST or whatever.

I have had several conversa... (Below threshold)
Peter:

I have had several conversations with liberals that are fairly identical to the one described in the main post.

I would LOVE to have a discussion with an informed liberal. The problem is i've never met one. Once they state their bumper-sticker talking point, they have no follow-up.

A perfect example of this would be when a lib colleague of mine sneered that Karl Rove outed a CIA agent. When I said "Don't you know that Richard Armitage did that?" he sais he had no idea who I was talking about. The conversation ended with him ranting (other things were discussed) " I DON'T CARE ABOUT THE CONSTITUTION! I CARE ABOUT PEOPLE!" and he stormed out of the room. At no time did I raise my voice or get personal. BTW,he came to my workspace, in the words of another colleague who say the whole thing, "itchin' for a fight." I'm one of the few conservativesat my job, so angry (VERY angry) lefties like to seek me out to vent.

Their problem is - I read MOVEON.ORG and KOS too - so I already know what they're going to say. Unfortunately, and this is not hyperbole, these are the only two places where many of these loons get information.

BONUS: The guy who said he "doesn't care about the Constitution" - high school history teacher.

Double Bonus - He's not atypical.

But there is something else... (Below threshold)
Robert the Original:

But there is something else at work here.

Take health care for example. There are two basic ranking systems that the libs use to support a government takeover. The first is that they measure life expectancy. In this system the US does not rank too well because of our high death rate in accidents and crime.

The second is in part measuring the percentage of the population "covered" by health care. This one puts, say, North Korea ahead of the US.

Either measure has absolutely nothing to do with the quality of health care, but they are good propaganda points to use against US capitalists.

The originators of these systems probably should not be considered ignorant; rather we should grudgingly give them credit for being clever, if diabolical. Michael Moore, clever little c*cksucker that he is, should be placed in this category.

But it is the believers and followers of that load of crap that we address here today. Surely it cannot be just ignorance and stupidity that allows them to believe this towering mountain of BS? If they were that stupid, how could they dress themselves, take medicine or work at Burger King?

I think it is the willingness to delude oneself in order to follow their fearless leader, to go along with the group, and to join in when the time comes for throwing rocks.

Trust me, delusion is required in order to believe that Cuba has a better health care system than the US.

I recommend The Liberal ... (Below threshold)
Peter:

I recommend The Liberal Mind: The Psychological Causes of Political Madness by Lyle H. Rossiter; Jr.

The author, a respected and experienced forensic psychologist, explains the bizarre behavior of liberals. Their rage is often a gut response to cognitive dissonance caused by reality.

"Well gee, suck it u... (Below threshold)
lowmal:


"Well gee, suck it up. You wanted a weak minded pliable populace, well now you got one. Although like the rest the right wing does, it usually ends up with horrible blowback. What a bitch eh?"

28. Posted by Reagan
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Reagan,

To who exactly are you adressing this incoherant statement, and can you provide a qoute from someone whoever proclaimed they "wanted a weak minded pliable populace"?


jeez,you cant talk to these... (Below threshold)
tj:

jeez,you cant talk to these people. it,s like wrestling a pig in the mud,you both ge tdirty,but the pig likes it! :)

"Have any of you e... (Below threshold)
"Have any of you ever wondered why there are so very few regulars from the right who comment on Whizbang? It's pretty obvious to me why. Try thinking about it."
By JFO
"LOL - 11 comments, 5 from kim who continues to demonstrate my point. Thank you kim."
Later by JFO

My first question is, "What point?"

Then he attempts to be more "clear" with

"Let me be more clear - there are, generoulsy, a few dozen or so regulars from the right who comment here. That's not very many in the scheme of blog sites."

Oh, I see. There are literally millions upon millions of blog sites and Wizbang has only a few dozen regular commenters.

Wow, so profound and yet, so nonsensical.

One of the most interesting and I would say beneficial things to the our side is the arrogance you display and the moral superiority folks like you believe you have and are unhesitant to show.
Gee, Wizbang is so bad, I have to wonder why there aren't legions of regular lib commenters here to bring it to its knees and straighten us out with such insight and correctness.

Of course, with commentary like, "Why do you right wingers so like to see people slaughtered and maimed?" it's no wonder.

I wonder JFO, have you looked at the readership? The visitor count stands now at over 21 million. Please, consult your oracle and tell us how many of those are left or right.

See? Funny and informative.... (Below threshold)
Veeshir:

See? Funny and informative. Which group generally just attacked without explaining themselves and which group generally explained, in detail, what they meant?
My favorite way of making fun of the left is predicting exactly how they'll act, telling them my prediction before we start, and then, laughing at them as they act the way I predicted, which this post and comment thread did so admirably.
It makes me laugh because it's just so darn funny and the lefties generally have absolutely no idea exactly how funny they really are. There's just something about smug-superiority coupled with aggressive ignorance that's amusing. It can be infuriating as well, but only if you take the person seriously.

I had (note the past tense)... (Below threshold)
TGScott:

I had (note the past tense) a liberal friend who knew that I didn't see things her way on a variety of issues. She also chose not to study up on any of these issues either. Ergo, she couldn't come up with any counter-arguments to the points I made to her. I sent her a very informative book in one of the goodie boxes I sent her. We frequently exchanged such gifts. She thanked me for the book but was apprehensive about reading it. She asked me if I would read one of an alternate viewpoint if she sent it to me and I told her I would. I was looking forward to future deep discussions between the two of us. However, when I expressed my disgust about the celebrities who make political commentary and back issues they are actually clueless about, she got angry and clammed up on me. She hasn't talked to me since. It's been over a month now. I never leveled any attack on her personally, yet she still couldn't take it. I can't apologize for what I said because I don't regret it. I meant every bit of it. I've decided if she's set to be that infantile about it, that I'm better off not hanging on to this high-maintenance, overly-sensitive person for a friend. If she wants to make nice, I'm still here, but I'll not concede my opinion to please another, friend or foe.

What is really fun, and I'v... (Below threshold)
engineer:

What is really fun, and I've done this with several 'progressives', is to get them into a debate and switch over to the 'progressive' side of the agrument. Make sure you throw in a "this is what Bush wants" or something similar. Before you know it, as you are extolling the 'progressive' ideas, they will start agruing against them. It is because, they generally are clueless to anything except 5 second sound bites and 'talking points'. It's fun to see them go away 'winning' the argument, and telling you how horrible universal health care is.

Engineer, you stole that fr... (Below threshold)
Veeshir:

Engineer, you stole that from Bugs Bunny, didn't you?
I'm not sure which is funnier, when they get their feathers blown off or when, about 5 minutes later, they realize they've been had.

We are seeing classic examp... (Below threshold)
SPQR:

We are seeing classic examples of ignorance with volume in Jim's and JFO's ignorant ravings up a couple of threads.




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