Timing is everything on this post... I came to a conclusion just today.

All modern liberals can ~usually~ be put into one of two categories. Uninformed or crazy.

Yes I mean that.

If you talk to a liberal long enough either they will prove themselves to be completely ignorant of world affairs or, if they are informed, sooner or later they start talking fantasy.... Rove did it -well Rove did whatever Cheney didn't.

But basically all modern liberals -sadly- fit in at least on of those categories. And the ones that troll here usually fit into both.

Actually, Paul, the trolls that regularly visit here alternate from comment to comment. And every other Thursday, they change from crazy then ignorant to ignorant then crazy or vice versa.

I think we should allow for a third category - those in denial. Although this is a charge made often of conservatives by the left, it is a disease actually much more commonly found among the left, and there simply is no other way to describe it.

Take for example, John Kerry and the Swift Boat Vets. Now, one cannot honestly say that Kerry was ignorant of the three-band-aid-and-out trick because, heck, he practically invented it. It is his own history after all.

Nor can one quite go so far to claim a full section 8 for him. The closest he comes to this is temporary insanity when the names "Rove" or "Swift Boat Vets" are brought up.

But yet, on he goes given any opportunity, re-claiming his war hero status and denying confirmation to Bush appointees who had the temerity to contribute to SBV. He might even throw in a Cambodian story or two, even now. No, it is not ignorance or insanity that keeps him from releasing his full military record - quite the opposite.

The same could be said for the truthers, the deniers that the surge is working, the Bush-stole-the-2000-election group, the global-warming-will-kill-us-by-Tuesday dudes, the no-genocide-after-leaving-Vietnam people, and on it goes.

The facts are simply too available for ignorance to be diagnosed in such cases. No, it is a willful desire to place the blindfold over one's own eyes, extend the arms out, and knowingly follow some Al Gore Svengali into the shadowy world of the self-deluded - a hypnotic state.

And pretend that John Kerry was some kind of war hero.

I'm highly amused, and at the same time frightened, by liberals' deadpan lack of irony everytime they use the verb 'to Swiftboat'. They really don't have clue one.
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The simple fact that you make the statement(s) you made conclusively demonstrates your ignorance Paul. But, in a perverse way, I like it. One of the most interesting and I would say beneficial things to the our side is the arrogance you display and the moral superiority folks like you believe you have and are unhesitant to show. You demonstrate, by this comment and so many others, how completely out of step with most Americans you are. Keep on being smug Paul et al. Keep on "knowing" how right you are and how wrong the rest of us are. Keep on calling people with whom you disagree traitors or terrorists or terrorist supporters. It shows the weakness of your of your arguments.

The reality is that you folks are losing the political war and will continue to lose it when you demonstrate the kind of ,well, stupidity you demonstrated in your comment Paul.

Have any of you ever wondered why there are so very few regulars from the right who comment on Whizbang? It's pretty obvious to me why. Try thinking about it.

So, JFO, did you know John Kerry served in Vietnam?
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The saddest part of the story is that we let these idiots vote. Universal suffrage is a curse.

Wait, ptg, some of these idiots are white male landowners.
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I got another reading assignment for you, JFO. It's Noemie Emory's recent 'The Horror, the Horror; the paranoid style of the American left.
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Here's what happened, Paul. The liberals with a sense of history and geopolitics became neoconservatives, and the rest went progressive in the vain hope of clinging to the most seductive of Marx's misunderstandings of Hegel. And in the delusionalry desire that progressivism not be totalitarian at its core.
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Whoa, I like 'delusionalry'. Sort of like the 'cavalry of the left'. Hear those bugles, JFO? Your troop is calling you.
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LOL - 11 comments, 5 from kim who continues to demonstrate my point. Thank you kim.

JFO:

Have any of you ever wondered why there are so very few regulars from the right who comment on Whizbang?

You better recalibrate your abacus JFO, even that age old manually operated gadget has somehow electronically shorted out.

It would seem "regulars from the right" outnumber those of "you" by about a 4-5 to one margin.

Well of course they do marc. Let me be more clear - there are, generoulsy, a few dozen or so regulars from the right who comment here. That's not very many in the scheme of blog sites.

That was a trap, JFO. Why do you think the left controls the political discourse when they've become bitter, venomous, and humourless? The discourse is blogs and talk radio, the narrative is MSM. One is interactive; the other is unidirectional, centrally planned if you will. Granted the left blogs also, but suppresses dissent. Not so much on the right.

Please get mantis to explain my joke to you. Steve Crickmore might suffice. bD will tell you a better one.
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When I left the Army, I came back and saw my best friend of many years, who I had not seen for quite a while. I, too, came home to find a buddy had devolved into a barking moonbat.

He'd gleefully provoke political arguments all the time, and I'd get right to the business of tearing down his silly accusations and arguments.

And you know what? He couldn't defend his positions either, just like your buddy "Chip".

In fact, as soon as I got on a roll he would say, "well, I can't argue with you about this, because I don't have as many facts to refute your position with, and it's not a fair fight"!

Funny, that never prevented him from spouting off the most inane crap:

- Bush was bad because "he tells people what to do and acts like an emperor"
- Clinton was a great president because "he passed the free healthcare law" (he was rather upset to learn that no, no he did not)
- Bush "banned the teaching of evolution in schools"

And so on.

And you know why he really didn't like Bush, when it comes down to it? Like many my age, he wants to sit around at home and smoke weed and eat cheetos while playing Everquest or World of Warcraft. He wants NOTHING to interfere with him having fun. It's easier to blame the eeevil republicans for this whole war - which has the added benefit of blaming people he already suspects of wanting to ban all the fun things he wants to do - than it is to admit that a bunch of barbarians want to kill us, and someone has to do something about it. Even if it only means spending tax money on war instead of free shit for him.

The Maliki government is falling apart.

It mimics our own.

Both are infected with religious fundamentalists both in power and waiting in the wings to substitute the role of religion for the rule of law.

Both have a tenous hold on national security and give false reasons for using war as a means of obtaining such.

And the Hatemonger's Quarterly gang thinks they have the answers to both countries by advocating for more testosterone based antics. We all can see how far that's gotten us already.

Talk about extreme opinions, extreme ignorance.

Foolish stupid Americanos.

geez, JFO, I haven't commented a lot here lately (or even written a lot on my own blog this month) because, you know, I and a lot of other non-leftists (ie non-"the personal is the political" cult members) are busy with other things during much of the summer.

You know, kids home from school, family vacations ... plotting the Christian take-over of the county (hi c. behavior! forgot your meds this morning?)

I do believe civil b. just made the point of HQ's (and Paul's) point.

Pardon, I'm tired. You get the, er, point.

Both are infected with religious fundamentalists both in power and waiting in the wings to substitute the role of religion for the rule of law.

Both have a tenous hold on national security and give false reasons for using war as a means of obtaining such.

Case in point and it only took 17 comments to get there. These sweeping generalizations are not even founded in facts.

To these folks, Dr. Dobson has convinced Bush to sign the executive order making him President/High Priest of the Order of Jesus Christ and second now.

And war is the means to produce a flagging national security? What about the oil dammit?

"I would say beneficial things to the our side is the arrogance you display and the moral superiority folks like you believe you have and are unhesitant to show."

JFO;

Paul and his fellow miscreants are not to blame
for their BDS. They model themselves after Esteemed Leader. The brain stem is active, but the frontal lobe is another vestigial organ, inooperative due to neglect.

Semi's reflexive response.
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Have any of you ever wondered why there are so very few regulars from the right who comment on Whizbang?

I don't know about any others, but I'll answer for myself.
Because of what paul was talking about and what our intrepid reporter we'll call "Chip" wrote about. I mean, why bother? Jay Tea writes an article about about something like how some Sunni leader wants to fight al-Quaeda and the comments from the lefties are stuff like, "Oh, so I guess Iraq is all sunshine and unicorns, huh?", or "Oh yeah? Well, Bush didn't serve in Vietnam." and other such utterances suitable for enriching rose gardens but not any good for any serious debate. It's like "debating" with an 8 year old and that's only fun when it's actually an 8 year olds.

I mean, why bother with some troll who knows that he/she/it knows nothing about the subject, can't defend its position while simultaneously declaring that it's right about everything?

Take civil behavior's comment, what does the Maliki gov't falling apart (links? proof? cb needs none of that) have to do with the issue at hand? You know, besides proving that 'Chip''s and paul's observations are true.
Or take JFO's comment here LOL - 11 comments, 5 from kim who continues to demonstrate my point. Thank you kim.
no explanation exactly how kim's comments have proven his (which?) point. Just the bald assertion that its point has been proven. You know, cuz it's self-evident to any lefty and far about the intellectual reach of the mouth-breathers who dare to disagree with JFO's ad hominems and non sequiturs.
That's why I left Balloon Juice, there, the nitwits would then reinforce each other in a positive-feedback loop that was just annoying. The response to JFO's bald, unsupported, unexplained assertion would be "Yeah, you got her JFO" and other such comments of support without any of the nitwits actually explaining how he got her.

The left looks at news reports for affirmation and not information. That which does not affirm is immediately forgotten, attacked and/or declared a lie.

Aggressive ignorance is freaking annoying when you're trying to figure out important issues.

To be fair, I have come across plenty of people espousing the conservative line in a very shallow way, and I'm so embarrassed to have such people "agreeing" with me, that not only do I explain the reasoning behind the conservative line, but I also try to give a decent explanation for the liberal side. I'd rather not be "represented" by someone who will fold the moment they hear a cogent explanation of a different perspective.

Of course, none of these people I talk to are about to go walk a picket line or hang out in a protest march for anything, no matter what side they're on; they have day jobs, and on weekends they would rather go to their kids' baseball games.

I do find it odd that some people will actually go to the trouble to "do something" without really thinking through why they're doing it. I'm going to go with the theory it's their way of socializing.

I have to agree with Veeshir, I just got banned by Lee Ward on Blue trying to get a real dialog going. Getting him to defend his position.

That and the authors write so much better than I do hare and Wizbang.

"The Maliki government is falling apart.

It mimics our own.

Both are infected with religious fundamentalists both in power and waiting in the wings to substitute the role of religion for the rule of law.

Both have a tenous hold on national security and give false reasons for using war as a means of obtaining such.

And the Hatemonger's Quarterly gang thinks they have the answers to both countries by advocating for more testosterone based antics. We all can see how far that's gotten us already.

Talk about extreme opinions, extreme ignorance.

Foolish stupid Americanos.

17. Posted by civil behavior"

CB,

The irony is completely lost on you..

Your comments replicate exactly the type of empty rhetoric being highlighted by the original piece..

Hell, you could be the friend "Chip" is talking about..

Your entire post is nothing but over-dramatic fluff, devoid of any substance and not based in reality..

"Infected with religious fundamentalist"..

What the fuck does that mean?

Can you be a more explicit? Show us how this "fundamentalist" attitude is opressing your daily life, or even in vague terms??

You and your ilk can do NOTHING but belch up bullshit, unrealistic, vapid rhetoric..

That's all you have.. All you ever will have.. It's all you are capable of producing with the couple of rabid neurons you have left bumping into eachother in that coconut of a head you've got..

The "intellectual" arrogance here is quite staggering. Please keep it up far righties. It's quite enjoying seeing your arguments reduced now to " but they just don't understand! They're completely ignorant and form their views based on mainstream pop culture commentary!".

Well gee, suck it up. You wanted a weak minded pliable populace, well now you got one. Although like the rest the right wing does, it usually ends up with horrible blowback. What a bitch eh?

I'm sure there are many like "Chip's" buddy that get involved in the Flavor of the Month rally just to socialize or say they "Were there!" when it happened. One doesn't really have to have a friggin' clue to be involved, man! I mean, likeyaknowwhatever...

>Have any of you ever wondered why there are so very few regulars from the right who comment on Whizbang?

heh- That's funny just a few threads ago one of you moonbats said I was wrong because there was too many conservatives in the comments.

You idiots crack me up.

More red meat for the slobbering morons here today. The message? They bad, we good.

Libruls bad
Conservatives good

Oog oog!

And some total idiot said this about another site

>>>>the nitwits would then reinforce each other in a positive-feedback loop that was just annoying.>>>>>

Are you people really that stupid? Dont you realize you have described this place to a T?

Paul, when the truth is relative, there can both be too many and too few conservatives on Wizbang.

Relative truth lets lefties out of the trap of having to be logically consistent. They can simultaneously support our troops and call them murderers, vote for and against the same bill, and even say there are too many conservatives at the same time they say there are too few.

Only one problem. Truth isn't relative.

Consider: the statement "all truth is relative" is not a relative statement--it's an absolute. Same thing for the statement "there is no such thing as absolute truth." That right there is an absolute statement proclaiming to be the truth--an absolute truth.

The next time someone (probably a lefty) proclaims his belief in relative truth, ask him this question: if truth depends on what you believe, and I believe in absolute truth, does that mean that absolute truth does exist for me?

Besides, if all truth is relative, lefties have no business telling conservatives that we're wrong, because there is no wrong. Right and wrong only exist in absolute truth.

Okay, I've rambled enough.

Have any of you ever wondered why there are so very few regulars from the right who comment on Whizbang? It's pretty obvious to me why. Try thinking about it.

Oh, pick me, pick me!

Because they read crap like your comments and run to barf in the toilet?

...I just got banned by Lee Ward on Blue trying to get a real dialog going. Getting him to defend his position.

I didn't get banned at wizblues. I stopped going. I gave them a shot when it first started up.

It was during the illegal immigrant amnesty debate. leeward kept talking about how the opponents of the legislation were racists. The racists were the ones who would kill the bill.

I kept asking him who the racists were. Just give me a name or example. He never did. Just kept telling me that when the time was right he would divulge the secret racists. He never did divulge the who the racistst were.

What I did get the feeling of was that leeward was trying to bait or goad me into saying something he could construe as racist to use as an example. Didn't work of course.

leeward is a race card playing baiting pimp.