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Hillary's Campaign Finance Problem

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"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."

-George Santayana (1863-1952), U.S. philosopher, poet.


The Clinton White House was for sale - everything from sleepovers to pardons were available to those willing to enrich the Democratic coffers. Two men, John Huang and longtime Clinton friend Yah Lin (Charlie) Trie were the conduits for a nexus of Asian donors that blew up in Clinton's face after his 1996 re-election campaign.

With Hillary on the campaign trail and leading the field for the Democratic nomination, guess what's happening again? The Wall Street Journal uncovers the story...

DALY CITY, Calif. -- One of the biggest sources of political donations to Hillary Rodham Clinton is a tiny, lime-green bungalow that lies under the flight path from San Francisco International Airport.

Six members of the Paw family, each listing the house at 41 Shelbourne Ave. as their residence, have donated a combined $45,000 to the Democratic senator from New York since 2005, for her presidential campaign, her Senate re-election last year and her political action committee. In all, the six Paws have donated a total of $200,000 to Democratic candidates since 2005, election records show.

That total ranks the house with residences in Greenwich, Conn., and Manhattan's Upper East Side among the top addresses to donate to the Democratic presidential front-runner over the past two years, according to an analysis by The Wall Street Journal of donations listed with the Federal Election Commission.

It isn't obvious how the Paw family is able to afford such political largess. Records show they own a gift shop and live in a 1,280-square-foot house that they recently refinanced for $270,000. William Paw, the 64-year-old head of the household, is a mail carrier with the U.S. Postal Service who earns about $49,000 a year, according to a union representative. Alice Paw, also 64, is a homemaker. The couple's grown children have jobs ranging from account manager at a software company to "attendance liaison" at a local public high school. One is listed on campaign records as an executive at a mutual fund.

The Paws' political donations closely track donations made by Norman Hsu, a wealthy New York businessman in the apparel industry who once listed the Paw home as his address, according to public records. Mr. Hsu is one of the top fund-raisers for Mrs. Clinton's presidential campaign. He has hosted or co-hosted some of her most prominent money-raising events.

Paul, who didn't have time to post it, reffered to it as Hillary's "Buddist monk" problem, but worse.

Update: A reader provided a nice little rundown of some of the Clinton's past campaign finance woes courtesy of the NYT.

Paul adds The family, who lives in San Francisco, a gave $3000 to ANDREW CUOMO FOR ATTORNEY GENERAL, INC. which is a New York state race.

Paul Adds Again Another $4,000 to the DNC and $2,350 to John Kerry. -heh- Not even they liked him.


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Comments (38)

Most bitches have four paws... (Below threshold)
Pretzel_Logic:

Most bitches have four paws.

All she has to do is apolog... (Below threshold)
VagaBond:

All she has to do is apologize and accept Jesus.

Six family members, $16.5K ... (Below threshold)
Scrapiron:

Six family members, $16.5K average each to Shrillary. Living in what appears to be a shack located in a very undesirrable area. Where is the IRS and FEC in this? More Shrillay magic, almost as good as 8 years of government service at $200K per year and banking $50 million +. The Clinkton's don't steal small.

Interesting given the recen... (Below threshold)
SPQR:

Interesting given the recent indictment of Geoffrey Fieger for illegal campaign contributions to another Democratic presidential candidate.

One wonders why they didn't... (Below threshold)
kim:

One wonders why they didn't even bother to hide the timing of it. Are they that arrogant?
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What, the Bhuddist nuns wer... (Below threshold)
SCSIwuzzy:

What, the Bhuddist nuns were too busy this time?

Click the link to the artic... (Below threshold)

Click the link to the article even if you don't wish to read the whole thing, and scroll about 2/3 the way down to see a picture of the house listed as the address for these donors.

They must reeeeally love Hillary to give her and other Democrats all that money instead of moving into a nicer house in a better neighborhood, doncha think?

It is something to look int... (Below threshold)
Wayne:

It is something to look into. However I not willing to jump to any conclusions just yet.

>It is something to look in... (Below threshold)
Paul:

>It is something to look into. However I not willing to jump to any conclusions just yet.

Wayne, read the whole article, you don't have to even walk to any conclusions much less jump. We know where the money came from, it's in the article.

You did RTFA didn't you?

What do you expect from the... (Below threshold)
RobLACal.:

What do you expect from the most criminal and corrupt frauds to have huckstered their way into the White House. You think BJ Bubbu would have easily made all those millions jetting around selling his snake oil had he done his job and imprisioned or taken out Osama bin Laden? Can't go around the world and comfortably shamelessly rake in millions at the cost to tax payers dollars. He goes from broke dirtbag to a millionaire POS in no time at all.

There is no other reason for BJ's failure other than he is a incompetant greedy criminal coward. That and he's a draft dodging democrat who organized anti-war marches overseas. This is exactly what was happening when our troops were awaiting the authorization to take Bin Laden , Slick Willie saw dollar signs disappearing in his criminal mind.

These grifters hold the record for most campaign finance rules and laws broken. They are criminals plain and simple.

So what is the quid pro quo... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:

So what is the quid pro quo? If it is to relax the trade restrictions with China the Republicans have been doing a fine job on their own.

Hey Barney Rumble, the to... (Below threshold)
RobLACal.:

Hey Barney Rumble, the topic is about your dirty despicable democrat leaders. The Criminal Clintons to be precise, got it?

What can any honest observe... (Below threshold)

What can any honest observer say? Both political parties are controlled by big donors who seek to open doors with political favors through donations to questionable politicians who lead both parties. Big contributors often funnel money through smaller donors to avoid campaign finance law limits.

When the Bush Administration's oligarchy form of government was front-loaded with oil and defense contractor executives, stock holders and analysts, then a foreign policy based on these goals was inevitable. You can judge what kind of policies Hillary Clinton will follow as president even before she takes office in January 2009 by looking at the big donors who will be the controlling interests in her oligarchy administration as well.

The days of the low budget campaign and simple down to Earth honesty like Abe Lincoln have long since left both political parties where our government is now an oligarchy of competing business interests, and no longer a Republic.

>What can any honest observ... (Below threshold)
Paul:

>What can any honest observer say? Both political parties are controlled by big donors

ahhhhh the great liberal defense... "everybody's doing it so it's OK"

Bill and Hillary's love of ... (Below threshold)
Steve Crickmore:

Bill and Hillary's love of money for their campaigns irrespective of where it came from, was and always is still a problem. The silver lining is that it is good the Republican leaning press and blogsphere are bringing this out now, while there is still a chance for the Dems to choose someone more 'democratic' and less corrruptible by money.

Paul, I liked the way it av... (Below threshold)
Veeshir:

Paul, I liked the way it avoided the legality or illegality of what she did. That's the other great liberal defense. Pretend everybody does it and point to something that's not illegal that the other side does.
I also liked the "oligarchy" bit. You know, cuz Bush is the first one to have oil people in his administration. And front-loaded too!
That's why I usually ignore Clinton deals, the defenses are too stupid to really take seriously but then, the people defending the indefensible call me an idealogue.
Next up, accusations that I also believe that she killed Vince Foster.

This has "money laundering"... (Below threshold)

This has "money laundering" written all over it. This money is coming from someone else (or some corporation) who doesn't want to be identified as the source of the funds the Paws are supposedly donating. Perhaps both sides indeed do it, but have a little more finesse and at least make it look like the family has that sort of kizzash in the first place!

You gotta admit, they have ... (Below threshold)
iurockhead:

You gotta admit, they have learned a little bit of subtlety. At least compared to the sequentially numbered money orders in a big envelope from Charlie Trie, ostensibly collected from people all over the state at different times. Right.

Paul Hooson, you attempt at... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

Paul Hooson, you attempt at maginalizing this is weak.

Steve Creekmore, you are indeed delusional. ww

"So what is the quid pro qu... (Below threshold)

"So what is the quid pro quo?" says Barney.

See? If you can't prove a quo for the quid, then no laws were broken.

No? That's not right? Ohhhhhh, money laundering is a crime by itself!!

Imagine that.

Paul, Veeshir and WildWilli... (Below threshold)

Paul, Veeshir and WildWillie, it's certainly not okay that both political parties are engaged in some outrageous fundraising practices with big donors. It's despicable. Two wrongs have never made a right. Certainly any attempt to evade fundraising rules should be investigated by the Federal Elections Commission.

Paul Hoo' do you know what ... (Below threshold)
jhow66:

Paul Hoo' do you know what whitewashing means?

When the Clintons aren't su... (Below threshold)

When the Clintons aren't sucking scum from the top of the pond [or getting sucked under the Oval Office desk], they are bottom-feeding the likes of the Hsus. I'm waiting for the MSM deluge of "racism" and "Murdoch hit-job' to surface as it always does from the Soros-cide end of the blog spectrum. On the other hand, this might be delayed pay-back for Billy-Jeff's sales of classified weaponry to the PRC back in the '90x?

Hooson:When th... (Below threshold)
marc:

Hooson:

When the Bush Administration's oligarchy form of government was front-loaded with oil and defense contractor executives, stock holders and analysts, then a foreign policy based on these goals was inevitable.

And all those oil and defense contractor executives knew, they just 9/11 would happen didn't they?

Right?

Paul I did read the ... (Below threshold)
Wayne:

Paul
I did read the article. Did you? Yes it smells but is not very conclusive and full of assertions. For example it has a "union official" saying that one of the six makes $49,000. That is from his job. For all we know he could have a great deal of investment and doesn't even need to work but does so anyway. Many people do that.

Is this house the only house any of them owe? Article didn't specify. Maybe they list it as primary resident for tax purposes. I don't know. They "touch" on two other resident but none of the other three. They gave hardly any specifics on any of them and no comprehensive assets listing on any of them.

I hope there is something to this and it gets thoroughly investigated. I have nightmares of Hillary as President but I'm not going to jump to conspiracy theories because it fits my agenda.

>I did read the article. Di... (Below threshold)
Paul:

>I did read the article. Did you? Yes it smells but is not very conclusive and full of assertions. For example it has a "union official" saying that one of the six makes $49,000. That is from his job. For all we know he could have a great deal of investment and doesn't even need to work but does so anyway. Many people do that.

Sure Wayne, you're right... a guy making 46 grand a year and living in probably the highest cost of living city in the country has plenty of extra money just laying around....

I mean, he bought his house 10 years ago for about $286,000, he paid on it for 10 years then last year refinanced it for $290,000, (taking out all his equity) and gave over $30,000 to the Democrat party and their flunkies...

A guy who manages money like that probably has millions in inventments and money just rooolling in.

And don't ya just know, he loves the Dems so much he invited Hillary's biggest fund raiser to live with him for year... and that fat cat NYC millionaire did the whole "Simple Life" thing, leaving his Penthouse apartment in Manhattan to live in a 1200 square foot house with a 60 year old Asian guy....

And as another sign of unity, the fat cat millionaire wrote big checks to Hillary on the exact same days his new pal did.

Sure Wayne, it all makes sense... and here I was jumping to conclusions.

Silly silly me.

Paul,Sure is great... (Below threshold)
Robert the Original:

Paul,

Sure is great to have you on the prowl in the comments again.

Here we go again, little yellow men running about with brown paper bags of cash.

Sounds like a job for the n... (Below threshold)
John S:

Sounds like a job for the new attorney general. With luck, both Clintons will be in prison before November 2, 2008.

So what is the quid p... (Below threshold)

So what is the quid pro quo?

Notice how Barney can get straight to the point and not even question the allegation and suspicion?

Sorta sounds like Tony S....."So, wadda we gettin outta dis?"


Paul You can't even ... (Below threshold)
Wayne:

Paul
You can't even get your numbers right. His one job pays 49 grand not 46. If he has been there for any length of time he probably gets more then that. It also was stated that they own a gift shop. Any idea how much they make there? They paid a $286,000 house off in less then 10 years then refinance it. Unlikely that happens on a strict $49,000 job. People sometimes do have financial reasons to finance or refinance a house when they have the available money.

You sounding like one of those left wing nuts that read into things whatever they want to and never consider that there could be alternative reasons. There some left wing nuts posting above.

If you want me to give plausible reason for any particular point, I will. Saying it smell doesn't prove any wrongdoing but only make it look suspicious. For example, donations checks being written on the same day may be explain by there being a fundraiser on that day.

I do so with no great pleasure since I do not like the Clintons. I do think they are dirty but will not jump at any accusation as being true just because I want it to be.

WayneAll we're looki... (Below threshold)

Wayne
All we're looking for right now is money sources and grammar.


The Chinese I know, especia... (Below threshold)
Robert the Original:

The Chinese I know, especially the ones right from China, are EXTREMELY FRUGAL. This family came in 1982 we are led to believe.

Plenty of time to acquire significant assets and it is entirely in character to live below their means.

So, it is possible or even likely that the family had the cash to make these contributions.

That said, it is very unlikely in my opinion for them to give it away in these sums for this purpose.

I know hundreds of Chinese from mainland China and not one of them would give ten cents for this. This is way out of character.

>You can't even get your nu... (Below threshold)
Paul:

>You can't even get your numbers right. His one job pays 49 grand not 46.

Oh, well, that typo makes everything much much different. 3 grand a year explains everything...

>If he has been there for any length of time he probably gets more then that.

He's a civil servant knucklehead, that's how much he gets paid as per his position.

> They paid a $286,000 house off in less then 10 years then refinance it.

That would be from the "I'm making shit up" file. Where does it say he paid the first mortgage off? It says he refinanced. He refinanced about the same amount he paid for the house. In other words he sucked the equity out.

>You sounding like one of those left wing nuts that read into things whatever they want to and never consider that there could be alternative reasons. There some left wing nuts posting above.

I am open to alternative reasons.. perhaps space aliens came down and wrote the checks.


>If you want me to give plausible reason for any particular point, I will.

SURE!

Would you like to explain away why a rich New York fat cat fund raiser listed their home as a legal residence when he lives in Manhattan?

And why they keep giving all this money to New York races when they live in Cali?

AND why they gives 1/3 the value of their family home to the Democrats but they are "sporadic voters?"

Can you explain all that away?

And while you're at it, explain how you know they paid off their home in 10 years. You made that up.

OPEN YOUR FREAKING EYES.

"In an email last night, on... (Below threshold)
Mike:

"In an email last night, one of the Paws' sons, Winkle, said he had sometimes been asked by Mr. Hsu to make contributions, and sometimes he himself had asked family members to donate."

Apparently his other two sons, Rip and Van, were unavailable for comment.

ROFLMAO...Wayne wh... (Below threshold)
Paul:

ROFLMAO...

Wayne when you're finished explaining away off of the above, you might want to explain away the fact he's a freaking fugitive.

But of course, I'm just "jumping to conclusions" again.

My apologies Wayne... I was... (Below threshold)
Paul:

My apologies Wayne... I was wrong.

I said above they gave 1/3 the value of their house to Dems but didn't actually vote for them...

I was wrong, from Kim's link above:

The Paws ... apparently had never donated to national candidates until 2004. Over a three-year period, they gave $213,000, including $55,000 to Clinton and $14,000 to candidates for state-level offices in New York.

So they never gave money before, but gave away almost the value of their family home is just 3 years???? And $14,000 to New York state races????

All while they didn't care enough to actually vote.

Sure Wayne, explain that all away for me bud.

Sure Wayne, explain that... (Below threshold)
Steve L.:

Sure Wayne, explain that all away for me bud.

They really love New York?

PaulIf they refinanc... (Below threshold)
Wayne:

Paul
If they refinance for the amount of their original value, then either they paid it off, property value greatly increase or the bankers aren't doing their jobs.

Hsu being a fugitive was not in the above article. Beside we are talking about the Paws here.

"Would you like to explain away why a rich New York fat cat fund raiser listed their home as a legal residence when he lives in Manhattan?"

Simple, it doesn't say the Paws live in Manhattan. Hsu as many Rich Cats do have multiple residents. How many Houses does Gore and Edwards have?

Where does it say that they gave all the money to New York Races? They gave some to New York races. You are the one making shit up. Besides people do give to out of State races from both parties especially in hot races or for Presidential hopefuls.

Many those that have never donated to political cause before have now started in the last few years.

Yes I presumed that they paid most of their house off in 10 years but that was more probable then the other two alternatives listed above. You made up a great deal more then that.





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